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Post by colfoley on May 9, 2024 19:12:04 GMT
I've been operating under the assumption that the forgotten ones were Titans.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on May 9, 2024 22:23:04 GMT
Returning to my previous theory about the Urn Guardian, is it possible that someone else has been in control of Leliana since her death at the Urn? If so, would that mean someone else is in control of Undead Zombie Pope? That could be an interesting angle to explore in Dreadwolf
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Post by gervaise21 on May 10, 2024 6:42:01 GMT
I've been operating under the assumption that the forgotten ones were Titans. That is also a possibility. It would fit the narrative that has the Creators (elven gods) having their base in Sky heaven (the Golden City of the Fade) and the Forgotten Ones living in the Abyss, the lower levels of the Deep Roads. We know that there was indeed a battle between them. However, the Evanuris (elven leaders) seemed to come out on top in that war and this led to their subsequent rise to power. No doubt if Mythal was responsible for regulating the supply of lyrium being mined from the Titans, only their chosen followers were allowed access to it, which gave them greater power over the other elves. The Titans were certainly "forgotten" but by the dwarves, their children, and Mythal even seemed to have put some sort of spell over the Titans so they forgot the dwarves. When Cory created the Breach, it broke the spell on the Titan we discovered in the Descent and it started reaching out mentally looking for its children. I think it was also disturbed by the magical forces leaking from the Fade. I think I have mentioned before that the Veil seemed to do something to the collective memory of every race, which is why the elves only have fragmented memory of ancient times before the Veil and the other races hardly anything at all. Abelas and those like him probably were protected from the effects because they were resting in Uthenera at the time, so connected to the Fade in a profound way. This is why they also survived down to the present as they didn't age so long as they stayed in Uthenera. However, he said that each time they awoke there were less of them, not just because some were killed defending against intruders but the time spent out of Uthenera aged them and so gradually the eldest among them died off. That said, we may find something different if we ever get to Kal-Sharok. Perhaps there will be some ancient memories written into the Stone. There were hints in the Descent that the Memories in Orzammar may have been altered. In any case, Orzammar wasn't made capital of the dwarven empire until after the Tevinter Imperium was established. Before that the King and the seat of the dwarven empire was Kal-Sharok, so all the ancient memories would be there. Also, in Jaws of Hakkon, there was that codex allegedly written by Gelduran, one of the Forgotten Ones (not all of their names having been forgotten). He said this: There are no gods only the subject and the object, the acted and the acted upon. Those with the will to earn dominance over others gain the title not by nature but by deeds. I am Gelduran and I refuse those who would exert their will upon me. Let Andruil’s bow crack, let June’s fire grow cold. Let them build temples and lure the faithful with promises. Their pride will consume them, and I forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery.
His sentiments would seem to endorse what Solas and his followers claimed about the Evanuris. Dalish legend says that Solas was seen as an ally by both groups, although Trespasser would seem to suggest the Evanuris didn't trust him. However, that may be after his rebellion and the Dalish legend has confused the fact that he originally served Mythal but then rejected the gods (likely after her death but possibly before), rather than being trusted by both at the same time. So, the Forgotten Ones were likely originally rebels against the Evanuris who Fen'Harel allied with after he rejected the gods. Then it is possible he did betray them as well when he created the Veil. It seems as though Gelduran thought he would be able to rise to power once "their pride" (Solas) consumed them but instead the Veil trapped him, possibly in the Deep Roads. Which, of course, could mean the Old Gods were the imprisoned Forgotten Ones, who just adopted different names when dealing with the humans, likely to conceal their identity from those who might oppose them. There were so many pieces to the puzzle dropped in the DLC to DAI as well as the main game, I'm just hoping that this time round we may actually start to put them together to make a clear picture of what actually when on back before the Veil.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2024 7:57:42 GMT
I've been operating under the assumption that the forgotten ones were Titans. That is also a possibility. It would fit the narrative that has the Creators (elven gods) having their base in Sky heaven (the Golden City of the Fade) and the Forgotten Ones living in the Abyss, the lower levels of the Deep Roads. We know that there was indeed a battle between them. However, the Evanuris (elven leaders) seemed to come out on top in that war and this led to their subsequent rise to power. No doubt if Mythal was responsible for regulating the supply of lyrium being mined from the Titans, only their chosen followers were allowed access to it, which gave them greater power over the other elves. The Titans were certainly "forgotten" but by the dwarves, their children, and Mythal even seemed to have put some sort of spell over the Titans so they forgot the dwarves. When Cory created the Breach, it broke the spell on the Titan we discovered in the Descent and it started reaching out mentally looking for its children. I think it was also disturbed by the magical forces leaking from the Fade. I think I have mentioned before that the Veil seemed to do something to the collective memory of every race, which is why the elves only have fragmented memory of ancient times before the Veil and the other races hardly anything at all. Abelas and those like him probably were protected from the effects because they were resting in Uthenera at the time, so connected to the Fade in a profound way. This is why they also survived down to the present as they didn't age so long as they stayed in Uthenera. However, he said that each time they awoke there were less of them, not just because some were killed defending against intruders but the time spent out of Uthenera aged them and so gradually the eldest among them died off. That said, we may find something different if we ever get to Kal-Sharok. Perhaps there will be some ancient memories written into the Stone. There were hints in the Descent that the Memories in Orzammar may have been altered. In any case, Orzammar wasn't made capital of the dwarven empire until after the Tevinter Imperium was established. Before that the King and the seat of the dwarven empire was Kal-Sharok, so all the ancient memories would be there. Also, in Jaws of Hakkon, there was that codex allegedly written by Gelduran, one of the Forgotten Ones (not all of their names having been forgotten). He said this: There are no gods only the subject and the object, the acted and the acted upon. Those with the will to earn dominance over others gain the title not by nature but by deeds. I am Gelduran and I refuse those who would exert their will upon me. Let Andruil’s bow crack, let June’s fire grow cold. Let them build temples and lure the faithful with promises. Their pride will consume them, and I forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery.
His sentiments would seem to endorse what Solas and his followers claimed about the Evanuris. Dalish legend says that Solas was seen as an ally by both groups, although Trespasser would seem to suggest the Evanuris didn't trust him. However, that may be after his rebellion and the Dalish legend has confused the fact that he originally served Mythal but then rejected the gods (likely after her death but possibly before), rather than being trusted by both at the same time. So, the Forgotten Ones were likely originally rebels against the Evanuris who Fen'Harel allied with after he rejected the gods. Then it is possible he did betray them as well when he created the Veil. It seems as though Gelduran thought he would be able to rise to power once "their pride" (Solas) consumed them but instead the Veil trapped him, possibly in the Deep Roads. Which, of course, could mean the Old Gods were the imprisoned Forgotten Ones, who just adopted different names when dealing with the humans, likely to conceal their identity from those who might oppose them. There were so many pieces to the puzzle dropped in the DLC to DAI as well as the main game, I'm just hoping that this time round we may actually start to put them together to make a clear picture of what actually when on back before the Veil. It is an interesting counter to my theory. As I believe I have mentioned...well no let me sort of back up and go around here. Basically I believe the Old Gods are the Evanuris, tied to them, and the Forgotten Ones are the Titans...and a lot of it has to do with the name of each of them. The 'Old Gods' seem to be quite a one to one reference to the Evanuris themselves who were the 'Old Gods' before the current Gods of Thedas...and remember they were even called the Old Gods during ancient Tevinter, if memory serves. Meanwhile the 'Forgotten Ones' are Forgotten then plop, in Inquisition, we find out about this group of super powerful beings that were, by any of their descriptions we do know, essentially the 'gods' of the Dwarves. And yet they were forgotten, as you mentioned maybe by a spell, maybe just by the corruption of time, by everyone including the Dwarves. This is also in addition to being essentially 7 Evanuris that were trapped and 7 Old Gods. And also SOlas's warning would seem to apply. Its also quite interesting, I mean ficitional franchise so on the nose and intentional, but you still have essentially the 'sarcred numbers' of three and seven when dealing with the two groups og gods. And that would also imply there are just three Titans out there. Or at least three surviving Titans. One does have to wonder if, as in a previous theory, if the red lyrium titan numbers among them.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 10, 2024 12:47:01 GMT
One does have to wonder if, as in a previous theory, if the red lyrium titan numbers among them. Whatever the Titans are in relation to the Forgotten Ones, I think we are going to find it was a corrupted Titan that was the origin of the Blight. The fact we were actually inside a Titan in the Descent makes me think that those screen shots in 2020 of the inside of a strange area infected with red lyrium was in fact the red lyrium Titan. It even had what appeared to be a beating heart. I'm also mindful of the fact that the dwarves always maintained the darkspawn came up from below, not fell from the sky as the Chant suggests. Also, that dwarf whose name I always forget in the Descent (the Legion of the Dead guy) was of the opinion that to solve the problem of the Blight would mean seeking out not the last two Old Gods but the original brood-mother, which is probably at Titan. Anaris, Daern'thal, Gelduran with allegedly 4 attributes but you can combine the last two so, disease, terror, spite/malevolence Do they just have that association because they were the enemies of the Evanuris or is it the fact that engaging with one of them drove Andruil mad. Are there in fact 3 corrupted Titans whilst there are plenty more like the one in the Descent that is pure? Why did the password to Fen'Harel's sanctuary have this phrase Revas Vir Anaris? It is not surprising to have an association with Anaris considering they were meant to be allies at one time but why as a password? Does Anaris simply mean some attribute in the way that Solas means Pride? Revas = Freedom; Vir = Way or Path; Anaris = ? Was Felassan's story about Andruil fighting Anaris over who had the right to Fen'Harel merely allegory or something more? Anaris seemed really angry at some perceived betrayal by the Dread Wolf. That would be understandable, particularly if they were affected by the Veil. The story ended with both gods entering Uthenera in order to recover from their wounds, whilst Fen'Harel made his escape. It is likely the Forgotten Ones are going to have an equally big grudge against him as the Evanuris. Does he really have a plan for dealing with them all?
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2024 19:21:48 GMT
One does have to wonder if, as in a previous theory, if the red lyrium titan numbers among them. Whatever the Titans are in relation to the Forgotten Ones, I think we are going to find it was a corrupted Titan that was the origin of the Blight. The fact we were actually inside a Titan in the Descent makes me think that those screen shots in 2020 of the inside of a strange area infected with red lyrium was in fact the red lyrium Titan. It even had what appeared to be a beating heart. I'm also mindful of the fact that the dwarves always maintained the darkspawn came up from below, not fell from the sky as the Chant suggests. Also, that dwarf whose name I always forget in the Descent (the Legion of the Dead guy) was of the opinion that to solve the problem of the Blight would mean seeking out not the last two Old Gods but the original brood-mother, which is probably at Titan. Anaris, Daern'thal, Gelduran with allegedly 4 attributes but you can combine the last two so, disease, terror, spite/malevolence Do they just have that association because they were the enemies of the Evanuris or is it the fact that engaging with one of them drove Andruil mad. Are there in fact 3 corrupted Titans whilst there are plenty more like the one in the Descent that is pure? Why did the password to Fen'Harel's sanctuary have this phrase Revas Vir Anaris? It is not surprising to have an association with Anaris considering they were meant to be allies at one time but why as a password? Does Anaris simply mean some attribute in the way that Solas means Pride? Revas = Freedom; Vir = Way or Path; Anaris = ? Was Felassan's story about Andruil fighting Anaris over who had the right to Fen'Harel merely allegory or something more? Anaris seemed really angry at some perceived betrayal by the Dread Wolf. That would be understandable, particularly if they were affected by the Veil. The story ended with both gods entering Uthenera in order to recover from their wounds, whilst Fen'Harel made his escape. It is likely the Forgotten Ones are going to have an equally big grudge against him as the Evanuris. Does he really have a plan for dealing with them all? could also have been a reminder to the Evanuris on what their pride had wrought, why he chose Anaris as a password. Also I do doubt the fight between the two was post veil. Other note, while the Blight was probably a titan...the original broodmother was probably Elven. What if they infected one of their own? What if it was even one of the gods?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 11, 2024 7:14:37 GMT
Other note, while the Blight was probably a titan...the original broodmother was probably Elven. What if they infected one of their own? What if it was even one of the gods? Which brings me back to my theory that the red lyrium idol depicts the original elven broodmother. Also there was this image in the Missing. Something is clearly wrong with the figure on the right. Look at the length of their right arm and what looks like a head growing out of her body under her left one. Is the one standing over her being sympathetic or were they the cause of it? Initially, I thought the idol was depicting Mythal. She and Fen'Harel were clearly close and speaking through Flemeth calls him "Old friend". He said it was her death that finally drove him to acting against them. However, could there have been another in his life whom he loved, who was sacrificed to the Evanuris mad schemes for power, possibly Ghilan'nain being the one behind it or possibly June (we have been given very little information about him beyond the Dalish lore)? However, he could have been tricked into it and that could apply equally whether the victim was Mythal or someone else. Everyone tends to assume that the dark ritual was something that may have been enacted before or at least attempted before Urthemiel. However, if the Old Gods are just an aspect of the elven gods, then June likely equates to Urthemiel, the Architect of Beauty. Perhaps Mythal wanted to save him specifically because he wasn't really guilty of her death but was tricked into being involved with it. Perhaps there is something about June that would be necessary to reverse the harm done with the Blight, which is why she wanted him "snatched from the jaws of darkness". Perhaps she wasn't bothered about what happened to the others. According to the Dalish June was renowned for his crafting ability. I have also suggested that his depiction in the mosaic could be him standing over the Anvil of the Void. Golems could have been his invention. Dalish legend says he created himself, thus pointing to a spirit of invention or creativity simply manifesting outside the Fade and joining with the other gods. Since I suspect they were all originally spirits with one specific spiritual attribute that distinguished them and possibly one elemental one: Elgar'nan - Vengeance/Lightning (electricity); Mythal - Justice/Water; Falon'Din: Death/Shadow; Sylaise: Ambition/Fire; Andruil: Hunting/Earth; Dirthamen: Knowledge/Sky (Air/Fade), that just leaves June from the original 7 as Creativity and ?
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2024 7:33:45 GMT
Other note, while the Blight was probably a titan...the original broodmother was probably Elven. What if they infected one of their own? What if it was even one of the gods? Which brings me back to my theory that the red lyrium idol depicts the original elven broodmother. Also there was this image in the Missing. Something is clearly wrong with the figure on the right. Look at the length of their right arm and what looks like a head growing out of her body under her left one. Is the one standing over her being sympathetic or were they the cause of it? Initially, I thought the idol was depicting Mythal. She and Fen'Harel were clearly close and speaking through Flemeth calls him "Old friend". He said it was her death that finally drove him to acting against them. However, could there have been another in his life whom he loved, who was sacrificed to the Evanuris mad schemes for power, possibly Ghilan'nain being the one behind it or possibly June (we have been given very little information about him beyond the Dalish lore)? However, he could have been tricked into it and that could apply equally whether the victim was Mythal or someone else. Everyone tends to assume that the dark ritual was something that may have been enacted before or at least attempted before Urthemiel. However, if the Old Gods are just an aspect of the elven gods, then June likely equates to Urthemiel, the Architect of Beauty. Perhaps Mythal wanted to save him specifically because he wasn't really guilty of her death but was tricked into being involved with it. Perhaps there is something about June that would be necessary to reverse the harm done with the Blight, which is why she wanted him "snatched from the jaws of darkness". Perhaps she wasn't bothered about what happened to the others. According to the Dalish June was renowned for his crafting ability. I have also suggested that his depiction in the mosaic could be him standing over the Anvil of the Void. Golems could have been his invention. Dalish legend says he created himself, thus pointing to a spirit of invention or creativity simply manifesting outside the Fade and joining with the other gods. Since I suspect they were all originally spirits with one specific spiritual attribute that distinguished them and possibly one elemental one: Elgar'nan - Vengeance/Lightning (electricity); Mythal - Justice/Water; Falon'Din: Death/Shadow; Sylaise: Ambition/Fire; Andruil: Hunting/Earth; Dirthamen: Knowledge/Sky (Air/Fade), that just leaves June from the original 7 as Creativity and ? Yeah I was going to get to the mosaic but decided it might be considered a bit spoilery. And yeah I am still uncertain about the speicifics but broad strokes I wouldn't be the least bit surprised you end up being right about...well at least the first broodmother aspect. But the principle question from there, since I brought it up in my last post, is that just some random Elven woman being experimented on? Or is it one of the gods? I suppose the former given all the lore and the implications thereof because if said Elf did become a Broodmother (likely Andruil in my mind given the connection to her going mad) then that would also imply that said god didn't get trapped with the others since that would seem more then a bit of a stretch. So likely Ghil/ Andruil experimenting on some random Elven servant. On the whole Mythal/ June connection. Like the relationship of the Evanruis is certainly a lot more complex then Solas or us would assume. Though June does seem a likely candidate for...well theorycrafting...based on how little we know about him. Probably more of a likely explanation though is that Mythal doesen't neccesarily have the same hard feelings against the rest of the Evanuris and is more interested in playing a longer game with the rest of them. Her going after and saving June probably just has more to do with Urthamiel being accesible to her, in Ferelden, then any other explanation.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2024 6:57:06 GMT
So likely Ghil/ Andruil experimenting on some random Elven servant. That's my preferred option now, after reading the Horror of Hormack and the codex in Trespasser implying experiments were being done on an elf by one of the Evanuris. There is also the codex in DAI about Ghilan'nain creating monsters. However, the Anvil of the Void may have been an early clue since at that time we didn't know about the relationship between the elves and the dwarves in ancient times. Caradin may have forged a new anvil from following ancient writings or possibly he simply found the original and worked out how to use it. It is surely relevant that the golem is not simply a mechanical construct but that it could only be created by the sacrifice of a living being. The actual process seems pretty horrific. It is said that originally he only used volunteers but when the supply of them ran out, the King authorised using prisoners, whether criminals or his political enemies. That certainly seems consistent with what was depicted in the Horror of Hormack and what is hinted at throughout Trespasser. Notice also how the Smiths of Amgarrak thaig tried to recreate the anvil with the help of a Tevinter mage but ended up with not golems but the Harvester. Also, how Meredith acquired the ability to animate metal statues with the power of the red lyrium idol. I've also suggested before that perhaps Mythal was truly in ignorance of the experiments being conducted on the elves by Ghilan'nain. Fen'Harel her spymaster discovered what was going on and told her. She objected and that is when they killed her, possibly using the red lyrium sword or Andruil's spear that she had created, as set out in the hidden text in the the Temple of Mythal that you can only translate if you drink from the Well: There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning.
"She shook the radiance of the stars, divided them into grains of light, then stored them in a shaft of gold. Andruil, blood and force, save us from the time this weapon is thrown. Your people pray to You. Spare us the moment we become Your sacrifice."
There is a brief image of an elaborate golden spear, glowing with unbearable heat. Then it fade
Notice how it says this is a shadow of its true meaning. Also remember the concept art with the weird centipede goddess wielding a golden spear.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on May 12, 2024 23:10:37 GMT
How intelligent were the Old Gods really? Could they communicate with each other like humans or were they just like normal dragons?
I thought of how Kieran, if there was in fact another OGB before him and still around, would they have been able to contact each other in some way? If so, could that mean Kieran & Morrigan would've discovered there had been another OGB before the soul was snatched from Kieran?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 13, 2024 11:25:44 GMT
I thought of how Kieran, if there was in fact another OGB before him and still around, would they have been able to contact each other in some way? Kieran speaks of having bad dreams and asks if they will stop when Flemeth takes away the OGB, which she says it will. Now I am unclear if those dreams featured Flemeth or not, since Sandal had dreams/visions of a scary lady, which could well have been Flemeth. Sandal being a very odd dwarf, could he even be an OGB? Bohdan found him in an unexplored part of the Deep Roads. How did he get there? May be he had been wandering around for years when Bohdan found him. Of course, Kieran could have been talking about dreams of the two surviving Arch-demons. It is certainly possible they could keep in contact with one another through the Fade. They are after all effectively in Uthenera. Mihris says that the Dalish believe that the ancient ones could use Uthenera to contact their allies through the Fade and send spirits to aid them. Felassan appears to ridicule this, so probably it was likely much too near the truth for his liking. We know that Solas was able to contact him through the Fade and, as was also said to be the case with the ancient Tevinter Dreamers, could actually kill him via that route (as Fen'Harel does the Tevinter mage in Dread Wolf Take You). The important fact is that Felassan seemed to indicate he could have blocked the contact if he wished or avoided it by staying out of the Fade but instead decided to face the music. So, if the OGB could contact other OGB's the Arch-demons or other ancient beings through the Fade, it would seem to be a voluntary process that can be avoided if you know how to do this. It is strange that Kieran didn't, therefore, so either the being giving him dreams was too powerful to prevent it or it is something of an acquired ability and Morrigan hadn't been able to teach him because she didn't have the knowledge herself.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on May 14, 2024 23:40:16 GMT
I wonder if the Forgotten Ones were in fact a more primordial form of the Dwarves Could they have been the elves originally arch-enemy?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on May 15, 2024 1:58:11 GMT
With the Dreadwolf reveal coming soon, I have to drop a crazy theory that I don't even know if I believe myself but it is SO PECULIAR. I want to go back to this post: to this? TDWR teaser seems to tell a story of looming catastrophe. What we've recently seen in other media points to that catastrophe happening. The seal (or what looks like a seal) seems to have been destroyed, which has unleashed... a purple/pinkish hue that encompasses everything? What does that mean for the red lyrium idol, which was at the center of that seal? Examining TDWR teaser, the seal I mentioned looks similar to The Moon. We also can guess that The Sun and Moon will have some kind of role in Dreadwolf, given the constant sun and moon imagery along with the "An Eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred" codex. I then noticed something strange... in all of the trailers and concept art, the moon has only been shown to be in ONE location. It isn't visible in the night shots of Tevinter or Antiva - not even in the concept art. It's only found in the snowy, red-lyrium infested level that we've honestly seen the most of: So, if the seal represents the moon, and if that seal is broken in the other image - then does that mean the moon gest destroyed in Dreadwolf? And if it does, I think that would be what begins the events of Dreadwolf. That would then make this area the opening mission. Something with Solas goes down here - and with red lyrium being all around, that doesn't bode well for Solas. Now something completely different could happen to the moon - maybe it just completely disappears. Maybe it was an illusion all along, and now that the seal has weakened, so has the illusion. I don't know. But I do think it's curious that the celestial being often shown off in Dragon Age (the opening shot of Dragon Age: Absolution was the moon!) is no where to be seen besides in this location. And remember, Thedas has two moons, so nature wouldn't be changed much (I think lol) - especially if the moon we've always seen is an illusion.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 15, 2024 8:03:12 GMT
So, if the seal represents the moon, and if that seal is broken in the other image - then does that mean the moon gest destroyed in Dreadwolf? And if it does, I think that would be what begins the events of Dreadwolf. That would then make this area the opening mission. Something with Solas goes down here - and with red lyrium being all around, that doesn't bode well for Solas. It is possible we will start with a major event of some sort, although that would seem to much a repeat of the beginning of DAI. However, the thought does occur to me that at some point after we have established our group of heroes Solas' ritual will complete and all hell will break loose. Perhaps we escape the chaos by entering the Crossroads, which will act as a refuge for those lucky enough to have access. Then our quest from then on will be like the In Hushed Whispers path in DAI but instead of being sent into the future and having to return to the present to prevent it from happening, we will be sent back into the past in order to stop the ritual from completing. Naturally, it will be a one way trip because once we get there, the magic necessary to allow the return journey will no longer be operative, so our only option is to change the time line. Now this is the wild part. What if the person sending us back actually was Solas? He realised what a disaster his plan had been and wanted to undo it, only this time it is possible for him to do so with our co-operation. Then what we have to do is seek out Solas in the past (based off the information he gave us in the future) and either persuade him not to complete the ritual or simply kill him to prevent it. However, whatever choice we make, we have to confront the Dreadwolf in the Fade to be successful. I know I have always argued against using time travel as a plot and was never really on board with In Hushed Whispers because of the number of paradoxes it created in the timeline which they never properly explained. However, that was partly caused by the fact the Alexius was said to be continually resetting the time line. What I am thinking of would result in just one time line if successful, which only our motley crew would be aware of. Of course, there would still be the anomaly that unless the old timeline occurred, we would not have been able to be sent back and stop it from happening. This is always a problem with time travel plot lines but apart from that, I could see it working. After all, we did exist in the past, just a slightly younger version of ourselves and perhaps part of the result of our action is that we have our memories wiped of everything that occurred in the future, so our heroes essentially are back to whatever they were doing when they first got involved, their future self being the one that was erased. However, destroying the Dreadwolf in the Fade is the reason that future can no longer occur. Only a month until we start getting a clear picture, here's hoping.
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