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Post by midnight tea on Sept 15, 2020 17:21:40 GMT
I've mentioned it in other thread and I'm unsure whether it was discussed here: What if the Red Lyrium Idol has some form of sentience and is subtly influencing events and minds to its advantage? Basically, it's The One Ring, but in a form of an accursed statue? We DID see it affecting and clouding minds, and doing so virtually immediately after it has been found in DA2. We know Red Lyrium itself has an effect on people, and the statue is either its source or a very potent piece of it. It would also explain the wild goose chase to secure it - because it influences people in a way that they don't necessarily notice, but can muddle and subtly direct their thoughts and actions in a way that would effectively make them do what it wants to do, or take it where it wants to be taken? I like the idea of the idol acting as a supernatural entity because it would make the threat that much more creepy and insidious; something you can't really put a face to. If it did have a mind of its own though, what is its end goal and where does it want to go? Considering Solas says 'YOU THREATEN ALL CREATION' when the idol is used in the Mortalitasi's story, I'm still of the idea that using it in some way has the chance to awaken or release an entity sealed by its magic. Well, the Ring wanted to return and reconnect with Sauron - so perhaps the Idol is also a smaller part of the bigger whole that it would like to reconnect with. Or get to whoever may act through it. I myself am of a mind that the Blight itself may be either a sentient force or is at least partially directed by something sentient behind it, so who knows who the Idol may get to or what it'd like to accomplish, if it either has a mind of its own, or someone is perhaps locked in there. There's still so little we know about the thing :/ But given that we already know that the stuff it's made of affects people - and we DID see the Idol influencing minds, I do find it very likely that it is not merely a McGuffin, but either an actor in their own right or a proxy of this actor. While I'm pretty certain there's a connection to Mythal and Solas, I'm not sure Solas has absorbed Mythal's thirst of vengeance or is influenced by it - if he is, he may be influenced by some things and they may be either indirect, or he may have similar motivations to Mythal, at least when it comes to certain issues. So it's not that he's in any way directed by her, but that he'd go the same path anyway - and this is why she's given him her power. Anyway, I do have to wonder about Solas calling the idol 'his' - was he its creator or has he claimed or inherited it in some way? Another theory, although I'm not putting much stock into it - perhaps the Idol isn't exuding the Blight, but soaking it in and that way preventing its spread, even of only partially? And, after millenia of absorption, it got predictably corrupted and thus became a dangerous/sinister force in itself? The writers did mention at one point or another that in some respects Solas is Mythal's inheritor - so I'm more curious what it means to our Inquisitor, who in some places is alluded to be a successor to Solas's struggles? Like, PW pointing out that we should see how Mythal and Solas eluvian meeting are reflected in Inky's and Solas's meeting in Trespasser, is deeeeeeeeefinitely suggestive.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Sept 15, 2020 23:47:20 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing how the writers explain the third figure too. The parallels to Solas/Mythal in the epilogue are uncanny. Is history repeating itself somehow? If there's anything to take away from Dragon Age, it's that history tends to repeat itself. Yeah, the third figure is repeatedly overlooked in TN. I think PW did that on purpose - the third figure is supposed to be enigmatic, hidden, mysterious. Once the idol is fully shown in the trailer, even the lighting obfuscates the third figure. The fact that the third figure is overlooked in TN, and creatively hidden in the trailer, leads me to believe that the third figure is supposed to represent someone who is never at the forefront of the action, but is still integral to the action. Hmmm, like a certain Wolf we know? Even then, Solas is suggested to be the front figure, mourning the central figure. So yeah, your guess is as good as mine. I think someone on this thread stated that the event depicted in the idol hasn't happened yet. Seeing as Solas caresses the central figure in his own version of his story, I'm not entirely sure that's the case, but it could absolutely be possible - I'm just not sure which person alive right now would canonically be caressed by Solas, and Mythal is dead. Moreover, I'm more inclined to believe that the event depicted in the idol will happen again. The sword forged from the idol is called "certainty," brewing with corruption and conviction, so maybe the idol itself is a depiction of an event that's certain to happen again, and its conviction is why it has bounced from one person to the next. It needs to be at the right place at the right time.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 16, 2020 1:23:42 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing how the writers explain the third figure too. The parallels to Solas/Mythal in the epilogue are uncanny. Is history repeating itself somehow? If there's anything to take away from Dragon Age, it's that history tends to repeat itself. Yeah, the third figure is repeatedly overlooked in TN. I think PW did that on purpose - the third figure is supposed to be enigmatic, hidden, mysterious. Once the idol is fully shown in the trailer, even the lighting obfuscates the third figure. The fact that the third figure is overlooked in TN, and creatively hidden in the trailer, leads me to believe that the third figure is supposed to represent someone who is never at the forefront of the action, but is still integral to the action. Hmmm, like a certain Wolf we know? Even then, Solas is suggested to be the front figure, mourning the central figure. So yeah, your guess is as good as mine. I think someone on this thread stated that the event depicted in the idol hasn't happened yet. Seeing as Solas caresses the central figure in his own version of his story, I'm not entirely sure that's the case, but it could absolutely be possible - I'm just not sure which person alive right now would canonically be caressed by Solas, and Mythal is dead. Moreover, I'm more inclined to believe that the event depicted in the idol will happen again. The sword forged from the idol is called "certainty," brewing with corruption and conviction, so maybe the idol itself is a depiction of an event that's certain to happen again, and its conviction is why it has bounced from one person to the next. It needs to be at the right place at the right time. Its weird how my mind woorks because your idea that the 'third figure' is Solas, always working from the shadows...is actually a really interesting one based on my last post. Consider if that is Solas, then not the Central figure, then that would most likely suppose that is another one of the Evanuris who then killed Mythal while Solas was looking on, from the shadows, and then he decided to take his revenge upon them for their crime. Which then would make it a really interesting repitition of history is that if the repition here is basically Solas then doing the same thing as the Central Figure later on.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 16, 2020 2:41:18 GMT
Lately I’ve been wondering whether Andruil has any current involvement with the Qunari.
In TN, there’s a story where the Vir Tanadhal is spoken right next to Qunari philosophy. They already sounded similar, so it was an interesting choice to run them side by side. Plus, mashing up elves with dragons sounds like the kind of thing Ghilan’nain might get up to, and every indication suggests the two are close.
I guess what’s piquing my interest here is that the Qunari seem to be really, really up in Solas’ business. In Trespasser and beyond that. Likely some of that comes down to their interest in tracking magical risks. Maybe it’s less that Qunari are over-monitoring the situation and moreso that everyone else is under-monitoring it. But maybe they’ve got other concerns with Solas specifically, concerns they might not have with any old saarebas with the power to destroy the world.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 3:34:54 GMT
Lately I’ve been wondering whether Andruil has any current involvement with the Qunari. In TN, there’s a story where the Vir Tanadhal is spoken right next to Qunari philosophy. They already sounded similar, so it was an interesting choice to run them side by side. Plus, mashing up elves with dragons sounds like the kind of thing Ghilan’nain might get up to, and every indication suggests the two are close. I guess what’s piquing my interest here is that the Qunari seem to be really, really up in Solas’ business. In Trespasser and beyond that. Likely some of that comes down to their interest in tracking magical risks. Maybe it’s less that Qunari are over-monitoring the situation and moreso that everyone else is under-monitoring it. But maybe they’ve got other concerns with Solas specifically, concerns they might not have with any old saarebas with the power to destroy the world. I hope not. I’ve said it before, but it would be really disappointing if everything is explained as “because ancient elves.”
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Post by colfoley on Sept 16, 2020 4:04:07 GMT
Lately I’ve been wondering whether Andruil has any current involvement with the Qunari. In TN, there’s a story where the Vir Tanadhal is spoken right next to Qunari philosophy. They already sounded similar, so it was an interesting choice to run them side by side. Plus, mashing up elves with dragons sounds like the kind of thing Ghilan’nain might get up to, and every indication suggests the two are close. I guess what’s piquing my interest here is that the Qunari seem to be really, really up in Solas’ business. In Trespasser and beyond that. Likely some of that comes down to their interest in tracking magical risks. Maybe it’s less that Qunari are over-monitoring the situation and moreso that everyone else is under-monitoring it. But maybe they’ve got other concerns with Solas specifically, concerns they might not have with any old saarebas with the power to destroy the world. I hope not. I’ve said it before, but it would be really disappointing if everything is explained as “because ancient elves.” Well given explanations from ledgend and those who were there we still have probably at least two things that were seperate from Ancient Elves. 1. Humanity. 2. The Dwarves/ Titans.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 16, 2020 4:42:39 GMT
Lately I’ve been wondering whether Andruil has any current involvement with the Qunari. In TN, there’s a story where the Vir Tanadhal is spoken right next to Qunari philosophy. They already sounded similar, so it was an interesting choice to run them side by side. Plus, mashing up elves with dragons sounds like the kind of thing Ghilan’nain might get up to, and every indication suggests the two are close. I guess what’s piquing my interest here is that the Qunari seem to be really, really up in Solas’ business. In Trespasser and beyond that. Likely some of that comes down to their interest in tracking magical risks. Maybe it’s less that Qunari are over-monitoring the situation and moreso that everyone else is under-monitoring it. But maybe they’ve got other concerns with Solas specifically, concerns they might not have with any old saarebas with the power to destroy the world. I hope not. I’ve said it before, but it would be really disappointing if everything is explained as “because ancient elves.” I almost don’t consider the evanuris to be elves, because there’s such a blurry line between them and spirits. There’s some gradient between them and what we now call elves, but I’d be fine with everything tracing back to spirits and the earth/titans. Those two sources seem appropriately primordial to me.
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Post by telanadas on Sept 16, 2020 9:12:35 GMT
I myself am of a mind that the Blight itself may be either a sentient force or is at least partially directed by something sentient behind it, so who knows who the Idol may get to or what it'd like to accomplish, if it either has a mind of its own, or someone is perhaps locked in there. There's still so little we know about the thing :/ Yeah I can definitely see this being a distinct possibility, especially since we now know the power of the blight holds the 'secret' to effective immortality. Whoever was utilising this magic back in the day knew this. The grey wardens and their secrecy around the joining and Weisshaupt makes it all extra suspicious to me. Going off on a tangent, this has reminded me of something though. You know something that's really strange to me? There are grey warden symbols in the Temple of Solasan. A temple which has clear ancient elven links to the Forgotten Ones. Subtle grey warden symbols are also found all around the Forbidden Oasis. The ritual rock is also HIGHLY suss to me because it's a clear link to the Forgotten Ones' philosophy as well as the ritual the elves performed in the hidden veilfire rune (the vines twisting around a sphere of fire). The ritual was supposed to create something terrifyingly powerful. Must remember the words. The right materials on the flame in the right order. Earth, the vine, the phial, then the blood. The blood comes last. No missteps. One wrong move, and the binding will not work. But if it does—oh, my enemies will quake.I'm going to guess a very similar ritual was performed by the elves in ancient Arlathan (at the heart of a titan) and it was this ritual that eventually led to the creation of the veil. The statue in the Forbidden Oasis (the weight of war) also suggests it represents the burdens carried by those who die by the sword. Why is this statue shouldering the burden of a beheaded guy??? If it's an ancient link to the wardens it is suggestive that they are shouldering their master's immortality. Solas/Flemeth actually seem to be on the 'good side' in this respect, because it seems to me like they are players against whoever is orchestrating this massive con job. Something that I am still wondering about is why Solas makes no mention of the Forgotten ones. The forgotten ones are one half of the legend and Geldauran was clearly once imprisoned in the temple in the Frostback Basin. How could he omit such a crucial detail, unless the forgotten ones are not even a part of the equation? ~~~ ** I just had a few more thoughts about the Forgotten ones. So we know they were also supposedly at an endless war with the evanuris, and the evanuris also supposedly took on physical form in a 'time of great need' and that is why they exiled the Forbidden ones. Perhaps they took on physical form so they couldn't be bound and enslaved through the taint or through spirit binding like Cole. Eventually they realised the only way they could defeat them was by mastering the 'darkness' themselves and this is why Andruil goes hunting in the abyss and makes her void armour, because she was trying to find a way to master the taint. ' Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery.'This is a reach but maybe Mythal really does 'speak the calling' because her 'song' is what is preventing the darkspawn from being awoken. If the song were to be removed I imagine the darkspawn would mass awake and become their own free agents? Which may be bad news. I dunno I'm just spitballing but I feel like the forgotten ones have to be somewhat important in who is behind the blight, based on the foreshadowing.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 16, 2020 13:41:40 GMT
So we know they were also supposedly at an endless war with the evanuris, and the evanuris also supposedly took on physical form in a 'time of great need' and that is why they exiled the Forbidden ones. Perhaps they took on physical form so they couldn't be bound and enslaved through the taint or through spirit binding like Cole. I’ve been assuming it’s the opposite, that having physical form makes them vulnerable to the taint. Players theorize that Justice is affected by the red lyrium, but as far as I know we don’t have any definitive cases where it impacts spirits — only bodies. So I’m assuming they kept having to take physical form to fight the earth. But maybe discovering blight magic meant they could pop back into the Fade and just dronestrike the titans, with no risk to themselves. And maybe the Veil fucked with that plan by getting them stuck in physical form (archdemons?) so they couldn’t leave as planned. While also locking away the Blight and making the titans fall asleep. If Solas intervened right when this plan was about to roll out, they’d still be requiring people to take on physical form to fight. Hence the codex about deserters.
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 16, 2020 13:59:15 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 16, 2020 14:07:14 GMT
I guess what’s piquing my interest here is that the Qunari seem to be really, really up in Solas’ business. In Trespasser and beyond that. It was curious that the Viddasala knew that Solas had given his orb to Corypheus before we did. That suggests that they must have had their agents watching his agents from quite early on. Either that or one of his agents defected to the Qun and spilled the beans to them. Then there was the fact that they managed to gain access to the eluvian network. Morrigan was understandable because she had stolen a book about them in Witch Hunt and had also been coached by Mythal to take an interest in such things. Briala was explained by Masked Empire. Where did the Qunari get their information from? It must have really annoyed Solas that when he got back the eluvians from Briala, his most hated civilisation had a section of them too. Actually, there is another curiosity about the eluvians. The one we found in DAO was active. It only became inactive after Duncan smashed it. So why was that one working? Seeing as it appeared to be focussed on somewhere totally separate from the Crossroads, could there be others that were similarly directed? Apparently, based off Kieran, you just need the knowledge and power of an ancient being to redirect them. So is there someone other than those already mentioned who has a group of eluvians or even just one that Solas doesn't control?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 16, 2020 14:16:08 GMT
Something that I am still wondering about is why Solas makes no mention of the Forgotten ones. The forgotten ones are one half of the legend and Geldauran was clearly once imprisoned in the temple in the Frostback Basin. How could he omit such a crucial detail, unless the forgotten ones are not even a part of the equation? That is what I keep asking. The Dalish got so much right in that legend, it seems to me the Forgotten Ones had to be involved in fighting the Creators when he raised the Veil. So did he consider them all to be Evanuris? Or were they his allies against them, that he then betrayed, just as the legend says? Merrill's version of the legend also specifically mentions an ultimate weapon that he alleged he knew the whereabouts of, the knowledge of which was used to entrap the respective groups. That makes a lot of sense to me as well because it had to be something in particular that could get all of them to go to two specific locations at the same time, which would have been necessary in order for his trap to work. So if the weapon wasn't just something he made up but both sides already knew existed, could that weapon in fact be the red lyrium idol?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 16, 2020 14:26:55 GMT
I’ve been assuming it’s the opposite, that having physical form makes them vulnerable to the taint. Players theorize that Justice is affected by the red lyrium, but as far as I know we don’t have any definitive cases where it impacts spirits — only bodies.
I think you are right about this. The Old God was crazy whilst still trapped in its original physical body but once released into a, mostly, non-tainted vessel, it seem quite coherent.
DW said about Justice that either it might eventually neutralise the taint in Anders enough that he no longer felt the Calling, or the taint would corrupt the spirit but that was still left to our own discretion at the time and unless he definitively decided one way or another before he left Bioware, then presumably it would be up to the current writers how they wanted to play it. Anyway it was the taint in Anders that would be affecting Justice, not the red lyrium, or at least not any more than it can affect anyone else.
Cole was worried about Corypheus trying to control him, though I've never been entirely clear why he could do this but I assume through blighted blood magic or possibly something to do with the orb. Anyway, apparently that amulet would be enough to prevent this.
If people can come up with an example of a pure spirit being affected by the Blight or red lyrium, then I'll alter my opinion, but I think the spirit does need to be connected to a physical form in some way for this to happen.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 16, 2020 14:46:42 GMT
Cole was worried about Corypheus trying to control him, though I've never been entirely clear why he could do this but I assume through blighted blood magic or possibly something to do with the orb. Anyway, apparently that amulet would be enough to prevent this. Could have been standard magister stuff too. Dorian binds (smaller) spirits all the time.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 16, 2020 14:47:02 GMT
Actually, there is another curiosity about the eluvians. The one we found in DAO was active. It only became inactive after Duncan smashed it. So why was that one working? Seeing as it appeared to be focussed on somewhere totally separate from the Crossroads, could there be others that were similarly directed? Apparently, based off Kieran, you just need the knowledge and power of an ancient being to redirect them. So is there someone other than those already mentioned who has a group of eluvians or even just one that Solas doesn't control? Just how many factions are we going to have active in this, anyway? Besides this hypothetical one -- a bunch of surviving ancient elves who know the real truth and want the Evanuris back? -- we've got: Solas & Co. The Not!Inquisition Qunari (their interest can't have died with the Viddasala, and their intelligence is likely good enough to tip them off that Something Bad is going on.) A Tevinter faction --possibly including Corypheus diehards, or maybe a new group trying to do something crazy like bring back the Old Gods Any others? I'm halfway expecting a Gambit Pileup in the midgame. Solas thinks he's Xanatos, but he's not.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 16, 2020 15:08:38 GMT
Just how many factions are we going to have active in this, anyway? Besides this hypothetical one -- a bunch of surviving ancient elves who know the real truth and want the Evanuris back? -- we've got: Solas & Co. The Not!Inquisition Qunari (their interest can't have died with the Viddasala, and their intelligence is likely good enough to tip them off that Something Bad is going on.) A Tevinter faction --possibly including Corypheus diehards, or maybe a new group trying to do something crazy like bring back the Old Gods Any others? The Qunari are definitely still following up in Tevinter Nights. There’s also the Executors and possibly Things From Beyond The Fade (i.e. whatever the Cekorax is).
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Post by telanadas on Sept 17, 2020 4:54:15 GMT
Actually, there is another curiosity about the eluvians. The one we found in DAO was active. It only became inactive after Duncan smashed it. So why was that one working? Seeing as it appeared to be focussed on somewhere totally separate from the Crossroads, could there be others that were similarly directed? Apparently, based off Kieran, you just need the knowledge and power of an ancient being to redirect them. So is there someone other than those already mentioned who has a group of eluvians or even just one that Solas doesn't control? I've long wondered about this too. That ruin was only accessible by magic so I always presumed someone came through the eluvian and smashed/revealed the way out. Maybe it was the Architect or an awoken darkspawn. It must have been something tainted to have been able to use that eluvian is the first place which is creepy to think about ...
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 17, 2020 10:12:08 GMT
I guess what’s piquing my interest here is that the Qunari seem to be really, really up in Solas’ business. In Trespasser and beyond that. It was curious that the Viddasala knew that Solas had given his orb to Corypheus before we did. That suggests that they must have had their agents watching his agents from quite early on. Either that or one of his agents defected to the Qun and spilled the beans to them. Then there was the fact that they managed to gain access to the eluvian network. Morrigan was understandable because she had stolen a book about them in Witch Hunt and had also been coached by Mythal to take an interest in such things. Briala was explained by Masked Empire. Where did the Qunari get their information from? It must have really annoyed Solas that when he got back the eluvians from Briala, his most hated civilisation had a section of them too. Actually, there is another curiosity about the eluvians. The one we found in DAO was active. It only became inactive after Duncan smashed it. So why was that one working? Seeing as it appeared to be focussed on somewhere totally separate from the Crossroads, could there be others that were similarly directed? Apparently, based off Kieran, you just need the knowledge and power of an ancient being to redirect them. So is there someone other than those already mentioned who has a group of eluvians or even just one that Solas doesn't control? Given the elf in TN who was approached for recruitment by both the qunari and Fen'harel's agents it seems possible that the Ben hassrath found out about Fen'harel's groups existence, that Solas was a part of it and that he gave the orb to Corypheus by them (fen'harel agents) mistakenly recruiting an undercover ben hassrath elf. Providing the opportunity for them to spy, atleast for awhile until discovered. With both groups recruiting from dissatisfied elves it's gonna be real hard for them to avoid double agents. No wonder the Ben hassrath know more about Solas' movements then anyone else. The reverse in probably true.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 17, 2020 16:17:02 GMT
With both groups recruiting from dissatisfied elves it's gonna be real hard for them to avoid double agents. No wonder the Ben hassrath know more about Solas' movements then anyone else. The reverse in probably true.
This probably why, apart from his objections to their whole philosophy, he was really offended by the Qunari. For the first time in millennia, somebody was matching him at his own game. They are polar opposites as well. Solas is the ultimate promoter of magic in the world and the Qun are the ultimate suppressors of magic. Plus both sides are able to appeal to disaffected elves. They were always going to come into conflict and now the stakes are the future of the world and the elven race.
Also, if the Kossith were the result of some past experimentation by the Evanuris on their own people, there is an even a sense of irony in these opposing sides.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 17, 2020 16:31:14 GMT
With both groups recruiting from dissatisfied elves it's gonna be real hard for them to avoid double agents. No wonder the Ben hassrath know more about Solas' movements then anyone else. The reverse in probably true.
This probably why, apart from his objections to their whole philosophy, he was really offended by the Qunari. For the first time in millennia, somebody was matching him at his own game. They are polar opposites as well. Solas is the ultimate promoter of magic in the world and the Qun are the ultimate suppressors of magic. Plus both sides are able to appeal to disaffected elves. They were always going to come into conflict and now the stakes are the future of the world and the elven race.
Also, if the Kossith were the result of some past experimentation by the Evanuris on their own people, there is an even a sense of irony in these opposing sides. I definitely think both of these points contribute to his enmity towards the Qunari. I know that Ghilan'nain is the go-to suspect for "who or what created Qunari", but I kind of wonder if Solas had something to do with it. I mean, the original kossith could have been the first attempt to combat the other Evanuris - why not throw some dragon-elf hybrid slaves at 'em, creatures you feel are too simple and savage (Solas's words, not mine) to disobey you? Don't know how many VtM fans there are here, but I'm thinking something like the Tremere and their Gargoyles. Only the Gargoyles didn't simply escape their bonds but founded a whole society, and the Tremere are still salty about it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 20, 2020 13:46:32 GMT
I know that Ghilan'nain is the go-to suspect for "who or what created Qunari", but I kind of wonder if Solas had something to do with it. I mean, the original kossith could have been the first attempt to combat the other Evanuris
I even wonder about Mythal. That codex entry about Ghilan'nain being prevented from killing her sea monsters by Pride, which suggests it could have been Solas, and the fact that Mythal was said to have been born from the sea and would appear to be a water goddess, what with her Well of Sorrows and the spirit opposing Corypheus looking like a water spirit, makes me wonder if she was up to something over the sea. Then the humans first came over the sea, followed much later by the Kossith and then the Qunari. The screen shots of sea monsters would suggest that Ghilan'nain's creations have returned from deep water but is this coincidental or actually part of Solas' plan? With the writers also having introduced the Executors to the mix, a mysterious race that we don't even know if truly humanoid or not, we really need some more information about where the humans and kossith originated and why they left.
If we assume the world is round then could they have originally come from the same continent as the Voshai but a different part of it. Their ships were populated by humans and dwarves but never any elves. That would suggest that Thedas may have been the only continent with elves or the elves there were wiped out.
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Post by xerrai on Sept 20, 2020 17:38:00 GMT
I know that Ghilan'nain is the go-to suspect for "who or what created Qunari", but I kind of wonder if Solas had something to do with it. I mean, the original kossith could have been the first attempt to combat the other Evanuris
I even wonder about Mythal. That codex entry about Ghilan'nain being prevented from killing her sea monsters by Pride, which suggests it could have been Solas, and the fact that Mythal was said to have been born from the sea and would appear to be a water goddess, what with her Well of Sorrows and the spirit opposing Corypheus looking like a water spirit, makes me wonder if she was up to something over the sea. Then the humans first came over the sea, followed much later by the Kossith and then the Qunari. The screen shots of sea monsters would suggest that Ghilan'nain's creations have returned from deep water but is this coincidental or actually part of Solas' plan? With the writers also having introduced the Executors to the mix, a mysterious race that we don't even know if truly humanoid or not, we really need some more information about where the humans and kossith originated and why they left.
If we assume the world is round then could they have originally come from the same continent as the Voshai but a different part of it. Their ships were populated by humans and dwarves but never any elves. That would suggest that Thedas may have been the only continent with elves or the elves there were wiped out. It might not have been due to any evanuris at all. It could have just as easily be attributed to one of the Forgotten Ones or even a group elves who were unaffiliated with either faction. I imagine that even in ancient times Dragon Cults could have been a thing. One particular cult could have taken the concept of using dragon blood and just took it to a whole new level. Especially if a Great Dragon was involved.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 20, 2020 20:41:38 GMT
I imagine that even in ancient times Dragon Cults could have been a thing The Neromenians had a big thing about dragons and believed their heroes were reborn as dragons, so you can easily see a dragon cult going overboard on the dragon blood and creating some sort of weird hybrid as a result. Also, of course, we are yet to discover what lies under the mask of the Executors. Remember the references in the Deep Roads to the scaled ones? What if they are connected to those across the sea?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2020 21:03:40 GMT
So not really a theory but kind of a theory but more of a question:
Do you guys think that the Vallasin is more then just a slave marking? What if its part of the Evenuris's ability to put their slaves/ servants under a compulsion?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 20, 2020 21:10:16 GMT
Do you guys think that the Vallasin is more then just a slave marking? What if its part of the Evenuris's ability to put their slaves/ servants under a compulsion? I don't know about a compulsion but there were magical rituals that seemed to require thousands of elves to perform simultaneously and in harmony for them to succeed. In the distance, haloed by a blizzard of light, thousands of elves are maintaining an elaborate magical ritual that pulls raw essence from the Fade, funneled into a sphere in the air. Through the lens of the sphere can be seen a world of indigo waterfalls and rust-red jungles, and a temple palace so frescoed and cleverly carved, it is a masterpiece in itselfNow how do they manage this? Could there be some sort of connection via the vallaslin that keeps them co-ordinated?
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