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Post by kalreegar on Oct 8, 2020 18:30:32 GMT
To me it works in the following way, and I believe it is the only rational and logical way to analyze the matter. 1) there are THE GAMES. The games are the CANON G the highest canon. What happens in games, the events, the info, is the main canon, and until it is denied by other games, it is unassailable. Being Dragon age a multiple choice videogame, there are an exorbitant amount of possibile variations of this Canon G (dead alistair, warden alistair, drunk alistair, king alistair, divine leliana, divine vivienne, dead hawke, rebel hawke, viscount hawke.... but all of them are equally canonical). 2) then there are all the secondary, ancillary works. Books, tv series, comics etc. Let's call it CANON S. In this case there are three possibilities: A. the material/info/event in Canon S is acknowledged/incorporated in the games (e.g. Briala was Celene's lover, Michel de Chevin freed Ishmael). The moment it is acknowledged/incorporated, and therefore confirmed, this material becomes CANON G. B. the info/events in CANON S are DENIED by Canon G. If Alistar may be dead, all his adventures with Isabela and varric have never happened, or have happened to the extent that this does not conflict with (any) CANON G. I would say that is David Gaider headcanon and nothing more. Or, at best, that this info/events are compatible with a minor percentage of CanonG variables, but incompatible with all the others. So anyway it is an EVENTAL, optional canon. A lower canon. Canon G always prevail, in all its variables. If Sten is the Arishok, and the games acknowledge that, well,see point A). But this only applies toe information "Sten is the Arishok", not for any other information contained in that comic. C. the info/events in CANON S are neither confirmed/incorporated nor expressly denied/contradicted in the games. This stuff is therefore COMPATIBLE with Canon G, but could also be denied (or confirmed) at any future time. It is there, hovering in a limbo, like the schrodinger's cat, neither canonical nor non-canonical. Now, with regard to material/info/event present in CANON S sub C), I notice that they very much discussed. I'm perfectly fine to consider that material "canonical" (knowing that it is a secondary/lower canon though, not definitively confirmed yet)... but it seems excessive to me to use the elements of Canon S - sub 3 to criticize the dragon age lore OVERALL. I mean... let's focus on the video games... nobody expects the comics or the novels to be carefully supervised, historically plausible, psychologically profound, well written, well planned... if there is something good, it will be incorporated in the video games, and everybody is happy. Otherwise... let's forget about it, or in any case let's not make a tragedy out of it
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 8, 2020 18:32:32 GMT
Same goes for the material covered in the tabletop RPG. Seeing as the Dragon Age Core Rulebook used by the tabletop RPG came out around the same time originally as DAO and mirrors much of the lore found there, I think that should be regarded as canon far more than the novels. Of course, the writers have subsequently changed lore so it now contradicts what is found there, or simply ignore it if it doesn't fit with the story they want to tell, but nevertheless that doesn't mean the lore of the Core Rulebook wasn't intended to be canon when it was written. It is, of course, also written from an impartial out of world viewpoint, unlike WoT and WoT2 which are intended to be written by in-world historians and therefore inclined to bias and unreliable narrator perspective which means they can't be relied upon for accurate canonical lore. To be honest, I think in future I shall take each game as it comes and not expect it to be consistent with anything that has gone before.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 8, 2020 18:57:50 GMT
xerrai has explained it all well, so I'll just add this: See, the problem with this mindset is that sometimes another playthrough of the same game DENIES or CONTRADICTS the previous playthrough. Dragon Age isn't a fully linear story. No, they actually aren't. They are canon. It's been established to be so by the devs. And if some elements of them don't jive with our headcanon or world-state we are supposed to imagine that the conclusion of a given book or comic happened anyway, even if not in the same order or with different characters involved. Games usually confirm that auxiliary materials are part of canon. Cole was first introduced in Ascension. Things in TME have been confirmed by WEWH. The fact that events in "Until We Sleep" happened has been confirmed by Varric having a banter establishing that he has met Sten. And so on and so forth. No, they are not canon. They can be contradicted by in-game material, so they are not primary canon. Whether you call it 'secondary canon' they are still canon. It's confirmed by Word Of God (Mark Darrah and Patrick Weekes). DA is a specific type of game where the canon itself is kind of mushy and vague'ish at places, because of the existence of all the possible world-state permutations. So whatever is published in the auxillary material comes with a caveat that 'some things may look a little different' if things don't jive with a particular world-state attainable in the game. But they are still part of canon. "And if some elements of them don't jive with our headcanon or world-state we are supposed to imagine that the conclusion of a given book or comic happened anyway, even if not in the same order or with different characters involved."
I'm pretty certain that my English here is pretty understandable here^^; Like - I've said already that Varric in DAI confirms that events in comic book have happened. Even if Alistair isn't alive or not king, the whole plot with Maric and Sten being involved has still happened.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 8, 2020 21:21:50 GMT
"And if some elements of them don't jive with our headcanon or world-state we are supposed to imagine that the conclusion of a given book or comic happened anyway, even if not in the same order or with different characters involved."
yes, but only if and within the limits with which they are incorporated and confirmed by video games. Sten is the Arishok, Varric has met him. That's it. Canon. Any other detail... is possibile, eventual. we must conceptually distinguish events like "sten is the new arishok and varric knew him" from "king alistair killed yavana".
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Post by colfoley on Oct 8, 2020 23:07:41 GMT
I don't know I think Kal kind of has a point about this whole thing and it might be...wise...to at least keep in mind whenever we have these conversations about 'what the books say' when determining the course of the future games and where they are going.
I think the books could be inditive of tone and to explore elements of Thedas that we haven't typically seen in the games, IE the Orlesian Civil War, politics, meeting Celene, Briala, Gaspard, Michel, Justinia, Lambert, etc...but they are still kind of odd when we consider if what actually happened in them is something that actually happened in the exact way they are written.
Honestly on thinking about this it might be difficult to really say that anything is canon in how we traditionally think about the word in Dragon Age considering all the variables and considering I do believe the Word of God writers say that the only real canon in the story is player canon.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 9, 2020 0:38:03 GMT
The whole point of the carrying over of choices is to allow us to establish our own "canon", surely?
If it contradicts your current playthrough it didn't happen.
If it doesn't, then it did.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 9, 2020 11:43:33 GMT
I don't know I think Kal kind of has a point about this whole thing and it might be...wise...to at least keep in mind whenever we have these conversations about 'what the books say' when determining the course of the future games and where they are going. I think the books could be inditive of tone and to explore elements of Thedas that we haven't typically seen in the games, IE the Orlesian Civil War, politics, meeting Celene, Briala, Gaspard, Michel, Justinia, Lambert, etc...but they are still kind of odd when we consider if what actually happened in them is something that actually happened in the exact way they are written. Honestly on thinking about this it might be difficult to really say that anything is canon in how we traditionally think about the word in Dragon Age considering all the variables and considering I do believe the Word of God writers say that the only real canon in the story is player canon. I fail to see how this is different from different playthroughs in the game? Like, consider this - in one playthrough you befriend an NPC and in another you make an enemy out of them. But the playthrough in which, say, the character is your enemy and authors make it clear that this has severe consequences (like with Iron Bull)... this isn't a FALSE state of things. It isn't just junk headcanon. It CAN'T BE, if the game wants to give us even semi-meaningful choices. So, there is something true still to infer from a character made an enemy, their actions afterwards or the world-state this has created. We still use information from those different playthroughs to determine either a fuller picture of a character, or speculate or predict a future course of events. How characters act in this specific playthough, or events it causes - it's still part of canon.For example, it's only in a specific playthrough that we receive a package from Warden Blackwall that has a white griffin feather inside. But people still use that playthough to determine that griffins are back. This is also compatible with information that we got in Last Flight. It's the same with all the auxiliary materials. Even if they aren't compatible with a player's world-state, things happening in them and the way characters in them act, go through or learn - there is still a wealth of information we can infer from them. It's also not that different with World Of Thedas volumes of game codices. They are all written from subjective, in-world perspective. They are not reliable sources. Like in case of playthroughs or things experienced by characters in books or comics these are events colored by their perspective. But we still use them to learn things about the world or build its fuller picture.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 9, 2020 12:39:27 GMT
we must conceptually distinguish events like "sten is the new arishok and varric knew him" from "king alistair killed yavana". Why exactly? There was no need to mention Yavana in the game but since she was killed in the same comic series as Varric met Sten as the Arishok, why would one be canon and the other not? However, we also know that people don't seem to stay dead in the Thedas universe, particularly if they have a connection with Flemeth, so Yavana could still appear in a game with the explanation that she subsequently revived using the same trick as Flemeth used. May be the Great Dragon was her vessel for survival, which could be interesting. Still, considering there were Dev notes that Flemeth was going to make Morrigan her heir, it seems likely that she is probably the only surviving daughter.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 9, 2020 13:28:05 GMT
Why exactly? There was no need to mention Yavana in the game but since she was killed in the same comic series as Varric met Sten as the Arishok, why would one be canon and the other not? Because "King Alistar killed Yavana" is radically incompatible with lot of playthrough. "Yavana is dead", on the other hand, is theoretically compatible with all playthrough, no conflicts. Finally, "Sten is the new Arishok" is expressly confirmed (so, higher Canon) in all playthrough. There's a difference.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 12, 2020 21:45:32 GMT
Here's my theory:
The series will continue to live on, even past DA4. Yes, DA4 won't be the Super Saiyan 4 of the Dragon Age series in which everything tragically ends with them. There will be a Dragon Age Blue! And a Dragon Age Ultra Instinct! And let's not forget all the other variations of these transformations! Also: the Legendary Super Dragon Age!
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Post by colfoley on Oct 13, 2020 3:37:51 GMT
Here's my theory: The series will continue to live on, even past DA4. Yes, DA4 won't be the Super Saiyan 4 of the Dragon Age series in which everything tragically ends with them. There will be a Dragon Age Blue! And a Dragon Age Ultra Instinct! And let's not forget all the other variations of these transformations! Also: the Legendary Super Dragon Age! *groans* Thanks to my wife I get this reference.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 13, 2020 23:03:57 GMT
Here's my theory: The series will continue to live on, even past DA4. Yes, DA4 won't be the Super Saiyan 4 of the Dragon Age series in which everything tragically ends with them. There will be a Dragon Age Blue! And a Dragon Age Ultra Instinct! And let's not forget all the other variations of these transformations! Also: the Legendary Super Dragon Age! Don't forget Super Dragon Age Super Dragon God
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Post by colfoley on Oct 13, 2020 23:07:49 GMT
Here's my theory: The series will continue to live on, even past DA4. Yes, DA4 won't be the Super Saiyan 4 of the Dragon Age series in which everything tragically ends with them. There will be a Dragon Age Blue! And a Dragon Age Ultra Instinct! And let's not forget all the other variations of these transformations! Also: the Legendary Super Dragon Age! Don't forget Super Dragon Age Super Dragon God Funilly enough that actually does sound like a title for a Dragon Age game.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 14, 2020 2:02:22 GMT
Here's my theory: The series will continue to live on, even past DA4. Yes, DA4 won't be the Super Saiyan 4 of the Dragon Age series in which everything tragically ends with them. There will be a Dragon Age Blue! And a Dragon Age Ultra Instinct! And let's not forget all the other variations of these transformations! Also: the Legendary Super Dragon Age! Don't forget Super Dragon Age Super Dragon God There's also Dragon Age Blue Evolution.
Never mind Dragon Age Rose.
All the variations and action figures you can think of!
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 16, 2020 20:04:36 GMT
How do you weaken the Veil? With battles, horrible massacres. Blood magic. How did the 7 magisters open a breach in the veil? In a ritual by sacrificing hundreds and hundreds of slaves.
Solas not only wants to weaken the veil, but much more. He wants to destroy it. The orb has been destroyed.
He may have only one way left..
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Post by colfoley on Oct 16, 2020 20:12:09 GMT
How do you weaken the Veil? With battles, horrible massacres. Blood magic. How did the 7 magisters open a breach in the veil? In a ritual by sacrificing hundreds and hundreds of slaves. Solas not only wants to weaken the veil, but much more. He wants to destroy it. The orb has been destroyed. He may have only one way left.. red lyrium.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 16, 2020 20:34:29 GMT
How do you weaken the Veil? With battles, horrible massacres. Blood magic. How did the 7 magisters open a breach in the veil? In a ritual by sacrificing hundreds and hundreds of slaves. Solas not only wants to weaken the veil, but much more. He wants to destroy it. The orb has been destroyed. He may have only one way left.. The difference between Solas and most of the rest of folks is that Solas has created the Veil and knows more about it. And, to be honest, I still wonder if his current plan - given that the plan A to didn't work out - is still to destroy the Veil...? Perhaps it is to change its properties or something?
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Post by yogsothoth on Oct 16, 2020 22:03:08 GMT
Just using magic also weakens the Veil, and even WoT said that the Veil weakens at night because of people dreaming. So there's multiple ways of weakening it beyond blood magic and death.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Oct 16, 2020 23:08:02 GMT
How do you weaken the Veil? With battles, horrible massacres. Blood magic. How did the 7 magisters open a breach in the veil? In a ritual by sacrificing hundreds and hundreds of slaves. Solas not only wants to weaken the veil, but much more. He wants to destroy it. The orb has been destroyed. He may have only one way left.. red lyrium. Seemingly so. Both of his forms seem infected by red lyrium in TDWR teaser: Whilte it seems very unlike him to use magic infected by the blight, hat may be his only choice to get the world back to the way he loved, as you said Cofley. Big mistake there, obviously. If he is using red lyrium, there is absolutely no hope to change Solas' mind in regards to his plan. That changed when he decided to mess with red lyrium. Since he's influenced, the only thing that may change is the way he conducts his plan. Hmm, perhaps the internal struggle depicted here isn't whether he should or shouldn't go through with his plan, but perhaps it's how he wants to go through with it - the difference being his "ritual" vs. complete death and devastation, and obliteration - which would weaken the veil?
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Post by colfoley on Oct 16, 2020 23:15:22 GMT
Seemingly so. Both of his forms seem infected by red lyrium in TDWR teaser: Whilte it seems very unlike him to use magic infected by the blight, hat may be his only choice to get the world back to the way he loved, as you said Cofley. Big mistake there, obviously. If he is using red lyrium, there is absolutely no hope to change Solas' mind in regards to his plan. That changed when he decided to mess with red lyrium. Since he's influenced, the only thing that may change is the way he conducts his plan. Hmm, perhaps the internal struggle depicted here isn't whether he should or shouldn't go through with his plan, but perhaps it's how he wants to go through with it - the difference being his "ritual" vs. complete death and devastation, and obliteration - which would weaken the veil? I mean I do expect that a good deal of the plot could resolve around 'the battle for Solas's soul'. We don't really know at this point what form that will take...it could be Solas vs. the Flemeth fragment, Solas vs. the Dread Wolf persona, or Solas versus his own corruption to Red Lyrium...we'll just have to say. And yeah I have been thinking for a while that the Veil could come down in any number of ways and its inevitable but it will be up to us the hows and the why's. Of course another thought I've had recently is that maybe the solution to this problem too is not to recreate the world of the Elves in Thedas but to sort of 'banish' the Elves to another dimension and eject them from Thedas where they can rebuild their civilization seperate from human or Dwarven...issues. We know they were able to create seperate pocket dimensions even aside from the Fade. This sounds like a compromise everyone can live with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 16, 2020 23:50:06 GMT
Seemingly so. Both of his forms seem infected by red lyrium in TDWR teaser: Whilte it seems very unlike him to use magic infected by the blight, hat may be his only choice to get the world back to the way he loved, as you said Cofley. Big mistake there, obviously. If he is using red lyrium, there is absolutely no hope to change Solas' mind in regards to his plan. That changed when he decided to mess with red lyrium. Since he's influenced, the only thing that may change is the way he conducts his plan. Hmm, perhaps the internal struggle depicted here isn't whether he should or shouldn't go through with his plan, but perhaps it's how he wants to go through with it - the difference being his "ritual" vs. complete death and devastation, and obliteration - which would weaken the veil? I mean I do expect that a good deal of the plot could resolve around 'the battle for Solas's soul'. We don't really know at this point what form that will take...it could be Solas vs. the Flemeth fragment, Solas vs. the Dread Wolf persona, or Solas versus his own corruption to Red Lyrium...we'll just have to say. And yeah I have been thinking for a while that the Veil could come down in any number of ways and its inevitable but it will be up to us the hows and the why's. Of course another thought I've had recently is that maybe the solution to this problem too is not to recreate the world of the Elves in Thedas but to sort of 'banish' the Elves to another dimension and eject them from Thedas where they can rebuild their civilization seperate from human or Dwarven...issues. We know they were able to create seperate pocket dimensions even aside from the Fade. This sounds like a compromise everyone can live with. Except the elves that like this world, or those who don’t like the idea of being sent to live in a gilded cage. Also that compromise kills countless people to make it happen, so I doubt those connected to them will like it.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Oct 17, 2020 0:01:07 GMT
Seemingly so. Both of his forms seem infected by red lyrium in TDWR teaser: Whilte it seems very unlike him to use magic infected by the blight, hat may be his only choice to get the world back to the way he loved, as you said Cofley. Big mistake there, obviously. If he is using red lyrium, there is absolutely no hope to change Solas' mind in regards to his plan. That changed when he decided to mess with red lyrium. Since he's influenced, the only thing that may change is the way he conducts his plan. Hmm, perhaps the internal struggle depicted here isn't whether he should or shouldn't go through with his plan, but perhaps it's how he wants to go through with it - the difference being his "ritual" vs. complete death and devastation, and obliteration - which would weaken the veil? I mean I do expect that a good deal of the plot could resolve around 'the battle for Solas's soul'. We don't really know at this point what form that will take...it could be Solas vs. the Flemeth fragment, Solas vs. the Dread Wolf persona, or Solas versus his own corruption to Red Lyrium...we'll just have to say. And yeah I have been thinking for a while that the Veil could come down in any number of ways and its inevitable but it will be up to us the hows and the why's. Of course another thought I've had recently is that maybe the solution to this problem too is not to recreate the world of the Elves in Thedas but to sort of 'banish' the Elves to another dimension and eject them from Thedas where they can rebuild their civilization seperate from human or Dwarven...issues. We know they were able to create seperate pocket dimensions even aside from the Fade. This sounds like a compromise everyone can live with. Solas stated that the current world needs to die for the elves to come back - of course, he could be wrong, as he sometimes is, but if it was as easy as making a pocket dimension then I feel like he would have already done so. It would be hilarious if the solution is that simple, though, and almost make sense. That you mention the Dwarves makes me want to pivot the conversation a little, because I'm replaying DAI and this banter came up: Solas:: I am sorry to have bothered you with my questions about your people Varric. I see so much of this world in dreams. Humans, my own people, even qunari. Dwarves alone were lost to me, save scattered fragments of memory where some spirit cared to watch. Now I know why I see so little. Varric: And why is that? Solas:: Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. Whatever skill of arms it had, gone forever. Although it might twitch to give the appearance of life, it will never dream. Varric: I'd avoid mentioning that to any Carta, Chuckles. They might not take it the right way. I was initially drawn to Solas' comments about the Dwarves connection to the Titans, and how it's "lying in a pool of blood." Now I am drawn to his first comment with connection to his second. Solas basically revealed that Dwarven civilization has been a mystery to him ever since they lost their connection to The Titans (or the Titans losing their connection to The Fade.) Going further, he wonders how Dwarves don't dream, yet are so inspired, and goes full wisdom spirit whenever speaking to Varric about The Dwarves. There is a millennia of Dwarven history and knowledge that Solas cannot simply access like The Fade - that is rather significant, particularly because we left the last game with the inclination of finding people he "doesn't know." We know he can kill surface dwarves rather easily, but what about dwarves who never stepped foot onto the surface? Perhaps we'll find Solas' history and a way to stop him amongst the Kal-Sharok dwarves.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 17, 2020 1:20:11 GMT
I mean I do expect that a good deal of the plot could resolve around 'the battle for Solas's soul'. We don't really know at this point what form that will take...it could be Solas vs. the Flemeth fragment, Solas vs. the Dread Wolf persona, or Solas versus his own corruption to Red Lyrium...we'll just have to say. And yeah I have been thinking for a while that the Veil could come down in any number of ways and its inevitable but it will be up to us the hows and the why's. Of course another thought I've had recently is that maybe the solution to this problem too is not to recreate the world of the Elves in Thedas but to sort of 'banish' the Elves to another dimension and eject them from Thedas where they can rebuild their civilization seperate from human or Dwarven...issues. We know they were able to create seperate pocket dimensions even aside from the Fade. This sounds like a compromise everyone can live with. Except the elves that like this world, or those who don’t like the idea of being sent to live in a gilded cage. Also that compromise kills countless people to make it happen, so I doubt those connected to them will like it. I think you mistunderstand me. I am not suggesting this as an addition to Solas's current plan to tear down the veil but as an alterntative. IE the player convinces Solas that he does not have to tear down the Veil, does not have to destroy this world in any form...but that he can restore his people by taking them to a completley different world seperate from Thedas. In this scenario no one has to die, other than anyone else who has already been killed to that point in the game of course. I suppose as a bonus depending on the specifics wecan even bring him to justice as it were, in other words that all the Elves who want to go to this world can...but he has to stay behind and face the consequences. And that is the other part because I am not suggesting that every single Elf in current Thedas will want to go with him, heck I am not even suggesting that he will want to take every single Elf...just whoever he wants to and wants to has that option hence Elves will still be available as a playable race in future games. I mean I do expect that a good deal of the plot could resolve around 'the battle for Solas's soul'. We don't really know at this point what form that will take...it could be Solas vs. the Flemeth fragment, Solas vs. the Dread Wolf persona, or Solas versus his own corruption to Red Lyrium...we'll just have to say. And yeah I have been thinking for a while that the Veil could come down in any number of ways and its inevitable but it will be up to us the hows and the why's. Of course another thought I've had recently is that maybe the solution to this problem too is not to recreate the world of the Elves in Thedas but to sort of 'banish' the Elves to another dimension and eject them from Thedas where they can rebuild their civilization seperate from human or Dwarven...issues. We know they were able to create seperate pocket dimensions even aside from the Fade. This sounds like a compromise everyone can live with. Solas stated that the current world needs to die for the elves to come back - of course, he could be wrong, as he sometimes is, but if it was as easy as making a pocket dimension then I feel like he would have already done so. It would be hilarious if the solution is that simple, though, and almost make sense. That you mention the Dwarves makes me want to pivot the conversation a little, because I'm replaying DAI and this banter came up: Solas:: I am sorry to have bothered you with my questions about your people Varric. I see so much of this world in dreams. Humans, my own people, even qunari. Dwarves alone were lost to me, save scattered fragments of memory where some spirit cared to watch. Now I know why I see so little. Varric: And why is that? Solas:: Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. Whatever skill of arms it had, gone forever. Although it might twitch to give the appearance of life, it will never dream. Varric: I'd avoid mentioning that to any Carta, Chuckles. They might not take it the right way. I was initially drawn to Solas' comments about the Dwarves connection to the Titans, and how it's "lying in a pool of blood." Now I am drawn to his first comment with connection to his second. Solas basically revealed that Dwarven civilization has been a mystery to him ever since they lost their connection to The Titans (or the Titans losing their connection to The Fade.) Going further, he wonders how Dwarves don't dream, yet are so inspired, and goes full wisdom spirit whenever speaking to Varric about The Dwarves. There is a millennia of Dwarven history and knowledge that Solas cannot simply access like The Fade - that is rather significant, particularly because we left the last game with the inclination of finding people he "doesn't know." We know he can kill surface dwarves rather easily, but what about dwarves who never stepped foot onto the surface? Perhaps we'll find Solas' history and a way to stop him amongst the Kal-Sharok dwarves. Its kind of curious though too because he mentions that 'it will never dream'...but the way he words the rest of his dialogue suggests to me that Dwarves once could dream...which is also where he has observed the fragments of. Which again suggests that whatever connection the Dwarves had with the Titans worked a lot like how the Elves related to the Fade.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Oct 17, 2020 1:56:18 GMT
Exactly. Dwarves in their current state are essentially a blind spot for Solas, and I think that's pretty significant. This makes me wonder if Kal-Sharok will pay a key role in defeating Solas. And I have to wonder - we know that Solas can effectively kill surface dwarves in their sleep, but what about the dwarves who have never left the shelter of The Stone? ,
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Post by colfoley on Oct 17, 2020 1:57:57 GMT
Exactly. Dwarves in their current state are essentially a blind spot for Solas, and I think that's pretty significant. This makes me wonder if Kal-Sharok will pay a key role in defeating Solas. And I have to wonder - we know that Solas can effectively kill surface dwarves in their sleep, but what about the dwarves who have never left the shelter of The Stone? , You know in hindisight that particular ability of his does seem a little OP and not quite matching with the lore because it does beg the question, how is he able to do this?
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