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Post by billy69 on Jun 14, 2024 2:13:08 GMT
Does anyone have a theory where two gods are merged into one?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 14, 2024 8:22:06 GMT
Does anyone have a theory where two gods are merged into one? It is a possibility given the nature of the weird pools in Horror of Hormack and the sort of experiments Ghilan'nain appeared to be engaged in. Also, if they have been shut away together all this time, who knows what they may have been doing to pass the years. Also, Solas absorbing Mythal would appear to have made his alter ego in the Fade become a dragon wolf hybrid so at this point anything is possible. As for the other god, they already seemed to suggest that Falon'Din and Dirthamen were somehow twin souls or something similar rather than just twin brothers. Falon'Din was Dirthamen's shadow and vice versa. Dirthamen and Falon'Din were "twin souls" with no family connection. Their bond was not romantic, beyond even the strongest friendship. The oldest elven stories never even name them directly, referring to Falon'Din as "Dirthamen’s shadow," and Dirthamen as "Falon'Din's reflection." So he could embody both aspects of these gods, again because over time they have merged. Also, I've always thought that if the Old Gods were some aspect of the Evanuris, then when a Warden killed the Arch-demon it simply released its soul to return to the original in the Fade. However, what if killing its body in the Waking World caused its soul to be captured by one of the survivors. Thus, the death of the 5 so far has simply made the last two more powerful when they were finally released. It would explain why Solas thought killing the last two Arch-demons was such a bad idea. In which case, as you suggest, one combines Andruil, Sylaise and Ghilan'nain and the other Elgar'nan, Falon'Din and Dirthamen. (June is open to question because he could have been captured by Morrigan and passed on to Flemeth and thus Solas). It would be neat if the Dark Ritual was done because then each god would have three souls each.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 14, 2024 13:59:47 GMT
Does anyone have a theory where two gods are merged into one? I saw a theory that both of them are Evanuris merged together just this morning. Who get freed can't be related to the statues that are toppled: Halfmoon hits IHorn and IHorn then hits wrongBeetle which is the statue that Solas's blows up. 3 statues are destroyed and the goodBeetle is still up. So we have to wonder why these two came up and none of the others. So some people think Evanuris = old gods and when a archdemon was killed, the soul went back to the rest. And now there are only two left...
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Post by billy69 on Jun 14, 2024 14:10:29 GMT
Does anyone have a theory where two gods are merged into one? post I wrote a giant post, but something happened and it has been deleted. I'll try to shorten it. I think it's true. They were (maybe) lured into distant places by Fen Harrel in search of a weapon against Forgotten (just like forgotten returned to Abyss thanks to his advice). Then he created the veil, and they lost their powers just like him and fell into slumber. I think killing archdemons is setting them free (or something). I maybe went a bit too far with that one. Ghilan'nain might be free, waiting for her partners return somewhere in Rivain (monster looking land from the trailer). The Horrors of Hormak suggest she might be alive and in the material world (maybe waiting for Andruil's return to....improve her into that sea monster we've seen in some art). I thought they were the same person, but I think they will turn out to be different people; all recent art counts them as such. Nevarra and its crypts seem like a fitting place for at least one of them. There were two (?) Blights on the territory of Nevarra. I don't know how Antiva fits, but there is a mark on a cub similar (?) to the mark of June.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 14, 2024 14:19:28 GMT
I don't know how Antiva fits, but there is a mark on a cub similar (?) to the mark of June. According to the blurb associated with the trailer at the end of 2023 there is something peculiar going on in Antiva, in particular connected with Treviso and the magical emanations from that fairy tale castle there. Currently theory is that could be why the Antaam attacked Antiva when they did because it has them worried and they want to deal with it. There has to be some reason it was featured first in the trailer. Places we are definitely visiting and probably have a companion quest associated with it: Antiva (Lucanis); Rivain (Taash); Arlathan Forest (Bellara); the Anderfels (Davrin); Nevarra (Emmrich) and Minrathous/Tevinter (Neve). I'm guessing we need one more to link with Harding, which I'm guessing may be Kal-Sharok or the Deep Roads (extra deep) to discover the source of her newly acquired magical powers.
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Post by billy69 on Jun 14, 2024 14:19:36 GMT
Does anyone have a theory where two gods are merged into one? Who get freed can't be related to the statues that are toppled I never stated that. BIG statues in the trailer are correctly placed with all the gods. 'Small' statues with scafolding are messed up from the right side; there are 2 statues of Elgar'nan there; it might be the older build of the game or BW just messing with us, or they just didn't have assets at the time. I think that is the case. And as for Solas I think he just screwed up the ritual thanks to the new main characters genius ideas. That is why these guys suddenly appeared.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 14, 2024 14:28:09 GMT
Also each of those areas could be associated with an Old God: Antiva: Andoral (the Arch-demon emerged in Antiva) Rivain: Toth - because the Old God of fire and connection with dragons (a bit slim I know) Arlathan Forest: Urthemiel - he arose in Ferelden but there may be a connection through the eluvians/forest, etc. The Anderfels: Zazikel (originally Old God of freedom, then became chaos) arose up here. Nevarra: Dumat (the Silent Plains are just to the north-east) Minrathous/Tevinter: Razikale - she was their patron goddess when it was a kingdom and then later patron of the city. Deep Roads: Lusacan
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Post by azarhal on Jun 14, 2024 14:31:28 GMT
Who get freed can't be related to the statues that are toppled I never stated that. BIG statues in the trailer are correctly placed with all the gods. 'Small' statues with scafolding are messed up from the right side; there are 2 statues of Elgar'nan there; it might be the older build of the game or BW just messing with us, or they just didn't have assets at the time. I never said you did. It's just a common theory that Halfmoon/Beetle get freed because their statues were destroyed. But in reality, there was a 3rd statue destroyed and the Beetle one was the wrong one (i.e. doesn't match the upper ring statue) so that theory doesn't work. So we need to find another reason why there are only 2 of them freed and not all of them. The simplest answer is: because there are the two left... The other answer is: these two really hate Solas and the others just buggered off elsewhere.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 14, 2024 14:45:04 GMT
The other answer is: these two really hate Solas and the others just buggered off elsewhere. Yes, several millennia has convinced them they'd rather chill than go back to ruling the world. The other two are welcome to it. They are just going to hand round the popcorn and watch developments with glee. Possibly start placing bets on who is going to win. Then once the three of them have knocked the stuffing out of one another, they'll let the dust settle and stroll back in.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 14, 2024 14:48:58 GMT
The other answer is: these two really hate Solas and the others just buggered off elsewhere. Yes, several millennia has convinced them they'd rather chill than go back to ruling the world. The other two are welcome to it. T hey are just going to hand round the popcorn and watch developments with glee. Possibly start placing bets on who is going to win. Then once the three of them have knocked the stuffing out of one another, they'll let the dust settle and stroll back in. I kinda want to see it now.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 14, 2024 19:30:31 GMT
The other answer is: these two really hate Solas and the others just buggered off elsewhere. Yes, several millennia has convinced them they'd rather chill than go back to ruling the world. The other two are welcome to it. They are just going to hand round the popcorn and watch developments with glee. Possibly start placing bets on who is going to win. Then once the three of them have knocked the stuffing out of one another, they'll let the dust settle and stroll back in. ...Or they are indeed connected to Archdemons, which is why only 2 of them remain, after 5 other were dealt with in past Blights?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 14, 2024 19:51:45 GMT
...Or they are indeed connected to Archdemons, which is why only 2 of them remain, after 5 other were dealt with in past Blights? That is the logical answer but this is the crazy theory thread.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 16, 2024 12:56:42 GMT
I've been wondering why powerful mage (Dreamers only?) who embraced the Taint ended up having serious case of god complex and that made me wondering if that wouldn't be like a Spirit of Faith seeking faithfuls. Cory and his buddies did start as high priests.
And that lead me to wonder if the Taint could be tied to a corrupted Spirit of Faith (which would be a Pride spirit). The red lyrium is corrupted blood of a Titan, but the spirity side of the taint (i.e. how darkspawn cast magic) would be thanks to a corrupted Spirit of Faith.
I feel like there is something about Spirit(s?) of Faith. One seemed to have a lot riding on the Inquisitor living in DAI for example.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 16, 2024 15:08:25 GMT
I've been wondering why powerful mage (Dreamers only?) who embraced the Taint ended up having serious case of god complex and that made me wondering if that wouldn't be like a Spirit of Faith seeking faithfuls. Cory and his buddies did start as high priests. Actually I'm not sure if Cory was ever a true Dreamer. They existed much earlier in Tevinter history. Yes, he was hearing a voice in his dreams but that is not quite the same thing. Dreamers could contact their followers that way, so it points more to Dumat being a Dreamer mage in Uthenera and contacting Cory to get him to invade the Black City (except he promised it would be golden) and telling him how to do it. Which is what the early Wardens believed. Also, since Cory only took the name Corypheus after he resolved to do the ritual, that suggests that he probably wasn't the official high priest at that time but was trying to usurp the position. Also, something that was never explained, according to the memories of his slave, Cory had been getting increasingly worried about a fall off in the faithful. This struck me as odd as previously we were told that Old God worship only fell off after they went silent on their worshipers (after the ritual had taken place) and then being attacked by one of their Old Gods in the 1st Blight. Yet if Cory was cutting himself ever deeper it would seem his blood magic was becoming less and less effectual, hence not relying on his own blood any more. I wish we had been able to find out more about that. Then in Jaws of Hakkon it would seem the Razikale worshipers went down there specifically to try and make contact again after they failed up in Tevinter. Something clearly happened when the Magisters broke into the Black City that severed their contact with the Old Gods. My personal theory is that it was then that the Old Gods became corrupted by the blight, not when the darkspawn break through to their prison, and that is why they started giving out a "song" instead that attracts them and the Grey Wardens can hear. If they were uncorrupted until the darkspawn break through, how come they attract them and how come the Wardens can hear them? It seems to me the reason contact was severed is that their minds were warped so they no longer recognised the call of the faithful or had the capacity to contact them via the Fade. That's why, if you do the dark ritual, Urthemiel goes from being a crazy blight magic wielding Arch-demon to a lucid and informative OGB. His statements may have come across as a bit strange, coming as they did from the mouth of a child, but he certainly sounded quite sane.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2024 8:25:58 GMT
Just throwing a vague notion I had in here. Could there have been a reason why Lavellan's clan was based in the Freemarches when it came to the Keeper sending them to the Conclave? There does seem a tenuous link that has been developing.
Sabrae clan was introduced in DAO (if you played the Dalish origin) and they ended up in the Freemarches in DA2 near Sundermount, the site of one of the last stands of a group of ancient elves and a shrine to Mythal. Merrill became obsessed with repairing her eluvian which they had discovered in an old site in Ferelden but was aided by a demon contained in the shrine on the top of Sundermount.
Clan Lavellan in DAI had spent many years in the Freemarches, although their story during Wicked Grace suggested they may have once gone as far west as the Tirashan. Lavellan was sent to the Conclave by their Keeper. For some reason she seemed to think events at the Conclave would impact not just the Dalish but all elves. So she sent Lavellan as a spy. Was she prompted by a dream? If the clan survives the events of the War Table mission, the Keeper seems determined to forge alliances in Wycombe and participates on the city council. Lavellan clan does seem unusual in the amount of contact they are prepared to have with human civilisation.
In Tevinter Nights in the Dread Wolf Take You the Carta were approached by a Dalish elf who claimed to have had a dream in which he was urged to recover the idol from the body of Meredith as it will help free his gods. The dream also apparently gave him the knowledge to accomplish it. He would seem to have been a regular Dalish as the Carta dwarf doesn't comment on his accent as being unusual but he does for the agents of Solas who turn up later.
In Tevinter Nights in Three Trees to Midnight, Strife claims to be an elf from Starkhaven who fled the city guard and joined a clan of Dalish nearby, the Morlyn Clan. At some point they must have decided to head north for their ancestral home. It has never been suggested before that the Dalish have attempted to do this, so could they have been drawn there by Fen'Harel as indicated at the end of Trespasser, possibly as a result of a dream indicating their gods will soon be free or did Strife have something to do with this? (I'm pretty sure he was never a regular city elf). Strife asserted that Arlathan Forest was the domain of Andruil.
In the short story Ruins of Reality, Strife had an old map of the forest so someone must have been there to map it previously as it showed "elven ruins" as well as all the hidden trails, caves, etc. Was it the clan's map or actually Strife's? The Morlyn clan had an old relic a leather bound tome handed down over generations. It wasn't said where they acquired it. Suddenly after arriving in the north, it started rewriting itself to reveal the location of ancient ruins that guarded an artifact of power. For some reason, the moment the book started to behave like this the Keeper handed it to Strife. Was the Keeper just freaked out by it or was it that they couldn't read the ancient writing but they knew that Strife could? We know from the ancient writing in the Temple of Mythal that it is not intelligible to modern Dalish and needed special knowledge. Even Morrigan admitted that a book she had on eluvians had not previously be intelligible to her because the writing was so old but could read it once she had drunk from the Well. So, it does seem likely that Strife is an ancient elf, although not necessarily one of Solas' agents. Strange magic events started in the forest at the same time as the writing appeared in the book. The writing in the Morlyn relic guided them to a crystal figurine of a halla held by a statue of Ghilan'nain. The moment they recovered this the weird magical phenomena stopped. Presumably the statue was the inspiration for them to form the Veil Jumpers.
In the Missing the strange magical phenomena have returned and reality is being warped even more. Varric and Harding, with the aid of the Veil Jumpers, manage to navigate the perils of the forest in order to reach some ancient ruins where they hoped to find another ancient artifact, the Crucious Stone. However, Solas had got there first.
Then in the gameplay trailer for DA:V it turns out that Solas had been working towards conducting his ritual in some further ruins in Arlathan Forest. Whilst they were only edited highlights, it would appear from the trailer that the strange magical phenomena had stopped by the time the party reached there. Perhaps the magic Solas was drawing to his ritual had nullified the other effects. There was no sign of the Veil Jumpers, although Rook could be one. There is a strong possibility that one of the released gods is either Andruil or Ghilan'nain.
So, was all this connected? Were certain Dalish clans in the know or at least guided in the direction of the Freemarches ready to begin the journey north at the appropriate time? Based off the elf connected with the recovery of the idol from Kirkwall, is it possible that the Dalish may have been encouraged north by the prospect that their gods might soon be released? So, could some Dalish clans be working with Solas? Could ancient elves opposed to the Wolf have learned of the activity of his agents and begun a counter movement of their own? If Strife formed the Veil Jumpers, what is their true aim? Will they be opposed to Solas but supportive of one or both of the freed gods? What is the significance of the various artifacts that have been recovered so far? (We know about the idol but what of the rest?) I am even more suspicious of the Veil Jumpers and clan Morlyn after considering all these interlinking stories but wonder even about clan Lavellan and whether their involvement with events was purely coincidental.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Jun 18, 2024 13:56:16 GMT
I've only really noticed it now, but why is Donark the only place on the Map that was largely unscathed by the Blight (outside of the elven Hotspots) Could there be a distinct group of elves who live their with their own beliefs outside of the Evanuris or the Old Gods?
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Post by billy69 on Jun 19, 2024 4:03:38 GMT
It's over for my theory. Rip
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Post by catcher on Jun 22, 2024 1:58:14 GMT
Also, something that was never explained, according to the memories of his slave, Cory had been getting increasingly worried about a fall off in the faithful. This struck me as odd as previously we were told that Old God worship only fell off after they went silent on their worshipers (after the ritual had taken place) and then being attacked by one of their Old Gods in the 1st Blight. Yet if Cory was cutting himself ever deeper it would seem his blood magic was becoming less and less effectual, hence not relying on his own blood any more. I wish we had been able to find out more about that. Then in Jaws of Hakkon it would seem the Razikale worshipers went down there specifically to try and make contact again after they failed up in Tevinter. Something clearly happened when the Magisters broke into the Black City that severed their contact with the Old Gods. My personal theory is that it was then that the Old Gods became corrupted by the blight, not when the darkspawn break through to their prison, and that is why they started giving out a "song" instead that attracts them and the Grey Wardens can hear. If they were uncorrupted until the darkspawn break through, how come they attract them and how come the Wardens can hear them? It seems to me the reason contact was severed is that their minds were warped so they no longer recognised the call of the faithful or had the capacity to contact them via the Fade. That's why, if you do the dark ritual, Urthemiel goes from being a crazy blight magic wielding Arch-demon to a lucid and informative OGB. His statements may have come across as a bit strange, coming as they did from the mouth of a child, but he certainly sounded quite sane. There's a series of inscriptions in Jaws that so perfectly illustrate that theory right down to the final fall in a chilling little quote tucked away under an arch in the small Tevinter-style fort at Nigel's Point still chills me now. The quotes copied from the Wiki Razikale page. Obviously, Cory wasn't the only person having troubles contacting his god. The Razikale worshippers came to this area of the Wilds to try to make contact. One question I haven't seen an answer on is: Why here? Out in the boonies with no real indication of an older, underlaying elven ruin like one might expect. This is a big part of the mystery, I feel. This one I didn't remember so well and I'm glad the wiki preserved it with the others. The last line echoes what we heard in The Fade about Cory bleeding ever more slaves, even inventing a new altar to improve the process. (I think, too, there's something mentioned about a 'master' choosing more slaves to bleed in Coracavus, the Tevinter prison in the Western Approach). The real kicker though is that fourth line which sounds an awful lot like Cory's line on the throne in the Golden City: Beg that I succeed, for I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty. Who else would religious fanatics see as 'those who should guide us' other than the priests of the gods? This one is found in the drains under the Reach which can give your party a way to enter the Reach and surprise the Hakkonites encamped there. Its also easy to miss but it doesn't seem to be some kind of important clue. With the first quote's abandonment motif, though, it seems to me almost certain that this is carved sometime after the First Blight begins which would explain why they though Tevinter was gone. Other troubled times would not cause quite the despair because they would have gotten some news. This is both a mike drop quote and a bit of a mystery (heh, phrasing works) to me. Madness has filled the silence sounds like indeed the Razikale worshipers are picking up on the 'song' the Darkspawn project and the Wardens can hear. This also works as phrase with two meanings if you remember that Dumat is the God of Silence and take it that he (or the Evanuris he's assumed to be) is the one that has been filled with madness. Neat trick. Then the other big mystery pops up. The location is considered dangerous/cursed, but why? Is there a clue in the fact that the Hakkonites have TWICE infused (or attempted to infuse more accurately) a dragon with a spirit here? Seeing as the Archdemon is believed to be a dragon infused with the 'spirit' of the Blight, did the one who scratched out that warning connect the two? Some Vints must have built that wacky energy relay system: what was it originally for? and was it the Razikale worshippers who built it or something from longer before. The frozen fortress that the dragon is trapped in seems far too large for just a group of fanatics especially when you compare it to Razikale's Reach. Hope this at least makes things interesting.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2024 7:07:16 GMT
Hope this at least makes things interesting. It certainly does and hopefully the writing team have begun to make it clearer in the latest game just what all these references mean. People have suggested that Dumat was the leader of the gods based off his status in Tevinter and the fact that he was first released. However, his status was based on the fact that Darinius was his High Priest before he became Archon but Razikale was always the pre-eminent goddess of the Kingdom of Tevinter and the city of Minrathous and Darinius' mother had been her High Priestess as well as Queen before she was killed and her throne usurped. As for Dumat being released first, that is just due to the fact that he was the one who took the initiative with his priesthood but I do think it significant that he was behind the action that led to the wholesale silence of the other gods considering that he was the God of Silence. Also, the priesthood of Razikale talk of the path ahead being lost in darkness, which is another word used by Corypheus to describe the Blight. I would draw your attention to the line: This citadel shall be a new Minrathous, and we who serve the Twisted Path shall be its Magisterium.In the Descent there is a codex referring to looking down from the Fade and seeing a twisted path laid out below them in the Deep Roads connected with the Gates of Segrummar: Elaborate, hand-carved stamps have formed the smudged ink letters on this parchment into a symmetrical pattern: I obey the creator. My tasks are clear. Commands will be fulfilled. Barriers: divisions to conquer. Mazes: prisons to redeem. Carvings: wounds to heal. My three sacred duties. I must not fail. Doubt is my companion. Write down the questions. Hope to learn answers. Who weaves the sigil? What does it summon? How does it trigger? The creator knows everything. But still I ask. Why am I chosen? These hand-stamped, smudged ink letters are barely legible, overlapping each other in tight spirals on the parchment:Redemption should follow sacrifice. The creator promised me. I end without hope. Every command, a lie. Each task, a trap. Divided, I am conquered. The sigil breaks me. The words on this torn parchment are handwritten in ink as rusty as dried blood: Terrible, to sacrifice one's own child with a lie. I preyed on perfectly trusting faith, but how could I explain my desperation? The Deep Roads wind in deceitful spirals, concealing the sigil from casual observance. I could not discern its true pattern until I stood in the Fade and gazed down upon the vast malevolent engraving. Its artist remains unknown, but its horrifying intent was all too clear - as was my necessity. I only wish it had not cost you, my only child. I could not build the locked barriers that would carve the marks and break the sigil. You alone could save us all, but only by destroying yourself. And I let you do it. Forgive me. The rest of the text is illegible scratches. The lines and swirls form a disturbing pattern if stared at too long.
So far as I can tell there is no indication that these words were written by a dwarf, so could just as easily have been a human or elf. Could this have been one of the priests of Razikale who had descended into the Deep Roads in an effort to contact their goddess? Or did it have an even older origin? This appears to connect with the story Horror of Hormack in Tevinter Nights which had similar strange twisted patterns revealed on the path to the strange pool that create monsters. The goddess thought responsible for this is Ghilan'nain in view of the codex about her creating monsters and some of the twisted patterns resembling halla horns. Then we discover from the latest game reveal that one of the two gods released is indeed Ghilan'nain.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 22, 2024 12:14:47 GMT
... So far as I can tell there is no indication that these words were written by a dwarf, so could just as easily have been a human or elf. Could this have been one of the priests of Razikale who had descended into the Deep Roads in an effort to contact their goddess? Or did it have an even older origin? Sound like someone was sent down into the Deep Road to repair a maze-like prison via magical barriers and magical marks that was deteriorating thanks to someone else putting a "vast malevolent engraving" (the sigil) over it. And that sigil was only truly visible from the Fade (which exclude them being Dwarves).
"I could not build the locked barriers that would carve the marks and break the sigil. "
maze + barriers makes me think of Corypheus prison in Legacy.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 21:35:09 GMT
... So far as I can tell there is no indication that these words were written by a dwarf, so could just as easily have been a human or elf. Could this have been one of the priests of Razikale who had descended into the Deep Roads in an effort to contact their goddess? Or did it have an even older origin? Sound like someone was sent down into the Deep Road to repair a maze-like prison via magical barriers and magical marks that was deteriorating thanks to someone else putting a "vast malevolent engraving" (the sigil) over it. And that sigil was only truly visible from the Fade (which exclude them being Dwarves).
"I could not build the locked barriers that would carve the marks and break the sigil. "
maze + barriers makes me think of Corypheus prison in Legacy.
Or it may be something even older, given that it's implied that ancient elves were doing something to Titans.
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Post by catcher on Jun 22, 2024 21:39:35 GMT
I would draw your attention to the line: This citadel shall be a new Minrathous, and we who serve the Twisted Path shall be its Magisterium.In the Descent there is a codex referring to looking down from the Fade and seeing a twisted path laid out below them in the Deep Roads connected with the Gates of Segrummar: Elaborate, hand-carved stamps have formed the smudged ink letters on this parchment into a symmetrical pattern: I obey the creator. My tasks are clear. Commands will be fulfilled. Barriers: divisions to conquer. Mazes: prisons to redeem. Carvings: wounds to heal. My three sacred duties. I must not fail. Doubt is my companion. Write down the questions. Hope to learn answers. Who weaves the sigil? What does it summon? How does it trigger? The creator knows everything. But still I ask. Why am I chosen? These hand-stamped, smudged ink letters are barely legible, overlapping each other in tight spirals on the parchment:Redemption should follow sacrifice. The creator promised me. I end without hope. Every command, a lie. Each task, a trap. Divided, I am conquered. The sigil breaks me. The words on this torn parchment are handwritten in ink as rusty as dried blood: Terrible, to sacrifice one's own child with a lie. I preyed on perfectly trusting faith, but how could I explain my desperation? The Deep Roads wind in deceitful spirals, concealing the sigil from casual observance. I could not discern its true pattern until I stood in the Fade and gazed down upon the vast malevolent engraving. Its artist remains unknown, but its horrifying intent was all too clear - as was my necessity. I only wish it had not cost you, my only child. I could not build the locked barriers that would carve the marks and break the sigil. You alone could save us all, but only by destroying yourself. And I let you do it. Forgive me. The rest of the text is illegible scratches. The lines and swirls form a disturbing pattern if stared at too long.
So far as I can tell there is no indication that these words were written by a dwarf, so could just as easily have been a human or elf. Could this have been one of the priests of Razikale who had descended into the Deep Roads in an effort to contact their goddess? Or did it have an even older origin? Ah yes. My favorite mystery from Descent. At first I was going to say it was a stretch to draw any Tevinter involvement but then I remember there were several 'Claws of Dumat' altars starting with the 'office' with the Towers of Hanoi puzzle going down into the Hedriun Thaig. That's still a tenuous link, but its a link. Unfortunately, I was never able to find a good way to determine the age of the writings. Also, there are two 'speakers' in the writings and neither one really sounds like a devotee of any Tevinter god. More mysteries we can hope are resolved somewhere in DA:Ve. Now, on the topic of gods and sea monsters. Remember the Moldy Journal found in the tower with the two Revenants in Trespasser? here's the text: gervaise and I have speculated in the past that the 'elvhen tower keeper' must have been Fen'Harel or someone close to him as the eluvian network in Trespasser was almost certainly his. 'that which drags sould down to its larder in the deep (some translation on my part' is almost certainly some kind of epic sea monster and it croseed something from the Volca (which is the sea to the west of the Anderfels). Its not hard to consider that the sea monster seen in earlier art and the presence of Fen'Harel (or its agent) in the area can't be a coincidence can it. Also, I think someone had a theory of a group of elves different from the elvhan under the Evanuris. That could be why the tower keeper says it will never be the same as it was. Just amazing all the little nuggets hidden in the most mundane of places. Thanks all for your time.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 26, 2024 23:57:39 GMT
I'm pretty sure this has already been thrown out there in this thread, but I do feel that the Old Gods ARE the Elven Gods somehow. I don't know how or why, but it's something I've been thinking for a couple of years now but never really voiced it.
My other theory is that Andraste was the one that betrayed Solas. Not sure how or why exactly on that one, either, but I think the "she" he's referring to is Andraste.
I feel these ideas of mine are really dumb, and probably will be criticized for, but I don't think Corypheus was lying about the throne of the Maker being empty, but I do think the Golden City became the Black City when he, the Architect and the other Magisters invaded. I know, there's a lot of contradictions in there, but I don't know how to say it any clearer.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Jun 27, 2024 7:57:36 GMT
I wonder if the Augur of Mystery (Avvar) or Watchman of Night (Donark) was the one who pushed heavily for the assault on the Golden City, and not the 'Vints themselves. Wouldn't that make sense? The Golden City assault being a sort of "Space-Race" esque prize to see who would get there first?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2024 8:01:00 GMT
Guardian Actually I realize that its kind of funny in hind sight that you brought up that theory to given what I am about to share and I do agree with you 100%. I actually think this is the second most likely pet fan theory that I have going right now and is not stupid really. But its also funny because given the image I found does mention them both at once...I do want you to ignore the Old God connection, lol. So here we are again, yo boy with my latest pet theory...that each one of the Veilguard companions will represent one of the Elven gods...in some way. And to be clear not sure how likely this theory is but again since I have advanced the theory and since, keeping that in mind, now essentially have a three tiered bingo card to fill out kind of trying to figure out who is who. The other problem of this theory though is I am not entirely sure how mirror images will work so there is going to be a lot of either/ or statements as well. At the top of the order though, the center of the high backed chair, has Emmrich as Elgar'nan. But then from here, what inspired me to take another crack at this, was the video I watched on the Kingdom who mentioned that 'Dirthamen and Falon'din were the eldest children of Elgar'nan/ Mythal.' So I checked and Ghil'dirthalen has them opposite one another in her lineup which honestly makes a lot of sense if they are supposed to be opposite one another. So who is in those spots though? Lucanis and Bellara. Now this one seems maybe a little obvious, at least at first glance, we have Lucanis would be Falon'Din because of their connection to death. And Bellara would be Dirthamen and isn't THAT interesting. Next up from there it starts getting a little vaguer for me. Afterall I think putting Andruil and Ghili'nain being opposite one another makes a lot of sense but you also have, apparently, Sylaise being her sister, so I might switch the two of them in the lineup with June...and I guess that's everyone. I do rather like the idea of Davrin being related to Ghili'nain somehow makes some sense which would make, going through her, Neve is Andruil. Which would leave Taash/ Harding as some form of the remaining two but that is pretty much where I am going to stop here. Of course not exactly one to one, another attempt I made awhile back to crack this I also tried counting the genders and they don't match up so it may be wrong. Or may be right even on a superficial level.
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