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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 8:33:09 GMT
So here we are again, yo boy with my latest pet theory...that each one of the Veilguard companions will represent one of the Elven gods...in some way. I like this theory but probably would just need to adjust it slightly: Elgar'nan = Lusacan = Emmrich (Totally on board with this one even though the obvious link for Emmrich would be Falon'Din but God of Shadows fits with his contact with the spirit world) Dirthamen = Dumat = Bellara (Again totally on board with this. I've long thought those two gods are linked and Bellara is seeking old secrets). Falon'Din = Andoral = Lucanis (I think Andoral as god of slaves better fits Falon'Din than Urthemiel. FD wanted people to "bow low" to him) Sylaise = Toth = Taash (I'm sorry but this is just such a good fit it is the only one I'm prepared to go with) June = Urthemiel = Harding (We do not absolutely know that June was even an elf. Quite possibly a dwarf "elevated" by Mythal. Hence the sun motiff on the headdress because Sun = Titan = dwarf). Harding also gains magical powers this game. Anduril = Zazikel = Davrin (Always been happy to twin the first two and Davrin is a monster hunter - a bit on the nose but appropriate) Ghilan'nain = Razikale = Neve (Seems appropriate to me. Goddess of mysteries? I should say so. Also Ghil has a thing about spiral symbols, Razikale's priesthood speak of following the twisted path and the labyrinth of the goddess and Neve has a snake motif on her prosthetic leg.
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I like this theory but probably would just need to adjust it slightly: Elgar'nan = Lusacan = Emmrich (Totally on board with this one even though the obvious link for Emmrich would be Falon'Din but God of Shadows fits with his contact with the spirit world) Dirthamen = Dumat = Bellara (Again totally on board with this. I've long thought those two gods are linked and Bellara is seeking old secrets). Falon'Din = Andoral = Lucanis (I think Andoral as god of slaves better fits Falon'Din than Urthemiel. FD wanted people to "bow low" to him) Sylaise = Toth = Taash (I'm sorry but this is just such a good fit it is the only one I'm prepared to go with) June = Urthemiel = Harding (We do not absolutely know that June was even an elf. Quite possibly a dwarf "elevated" by Mythal. Hence the sun motiff on the headdress because Sun = Titan = dwarf). Harding also gains magical powers this game. Anduril = Zazikel = Davrin (Always been happy to twin the first two and Davrin is a monster hunter - a bit on the nose but appropriate) Ghilan'nain = Razikale = Neve (Seems appropriate to me. Goddess of mysteries? I should say so. Also Ghil has a thing about spiral symbols, Razikale's priesthood speak of following the twisted path and the labyrinth of the goddess and Neve has a snake motif on her prosthetic leg. Nice correlation! Since this is the crazy theory thread...which is the great betrayer?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 9:23:17 GMT
Since this is the crazy theory thread...which is the great betrayer? Hopefully none of them but if I had to hazard a guess I'd go with either Bellara or Neve. The last two betrayers have been male (three if you count Iron Bull) so it is about time we had a female again. I suppose more to the point would be how they betray you. Simply take the opposing side in the final battle or actively sabotage your efforts. However, they've hinted it may be more like DAO and DA2 where they only turn on you if you haven't made an effort to get to know them and gain their loyalty. After all, with Anders you could sever relations with him at the end of Act 2, so he wasn't really betraying you as such when he blew up the Chantry two years later. Morrigan was following her own agenda but she just left if you wouldn't agree with her plan, not tried to kill you or aid the arch-demon. It should have been patently obvious that if you confirmed Bull as Hissrad his loyalty would always be to the Qun over you. So, the only real betrayer was Solas because he did stay with your throughout in the hope of recovering his orb and had it not broken he admitted he would have used it then and there to destroy the world you had just saved from Corypheus. He definitely takes the prize for ultimate betrayer.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2024 11:09:08 GMT
So here we are again, yo boy with my latest pet theory...that each one of the Veilguard companions will represent one of the Elven gods...in some way. I like this theory but probably would just need to adjust it slightly: Elgar'nan = Lusacan = Emmrich (Totally on board with this one even though the obvious link for Emmrich would be Falon'Din but God of Shadows fits with his contact with the spirit world) Dirthamen = Dumat = Bellara (Again totally on board with this. I've long thought those two gods are linked and Bellara is seeking old secrets). Falon'Din = Andoral = Lucanis (I think Andoral as god of slaves better fits Falon'Din than Urthemiel. FD wanted people to "bow low" to him) Sylaise = Toth = Taash (I'm sorry but this is just such a good fit it is the only one I'm prepared to go with) June = Urthemiel = Harding (We do not absolutely know that June was even an elf. Quite possibly a dwarf "elevated" by Mythal. Hence the sun motiff on the headdress because Sun = Titan = dwarf). Harding also gains magical powers this game. Anduril = Zazikel = Davrin (Always been happy to twin the first two and Davrin is a monster hunter - a bit on the nose but appropriate) Ghilan'nain = Razikale = Neve (Seems appropriate to me. Goddess of mysteries? I should say so. Also Ghil has a thing about spiral symbols, Razikale's priesthood speak of following the twisted path and the labyrinth of the goddess and Neve has a snake motif on her prosthetic leg. I do rather actually like the idea of Neve being Ghil now that you mention it. Though my biggest concern with that corolation is not the Ghil= Neve but the Ghil= Razikale. I am not exactly seeing it. Though mind you I guess it does help if Razikale is one of the only two of the Archdemons who has not risen that I guess that solves the mystery by process of elimination. Still I was thinking more on the Neve= Andruil connection (though she'd match better for Davrin anyways, so you're right.) But given Neve's antagonism towards the Venatori and by extension Red Lyrium, and given Andruil's connection to the Blight (potentially) and Red Lyrium by extension then that could be a connetion between the two. Granted now that I am less sure of this particular part of my theory my point is it is again going to be really interesting to watch these companions for areas where they compare, and contrast with their potential Evanuris counterparts. What makes you so sure that Taash is going to be Sylaise? Also, anothre potential wrinkle in this theory is how much is Solas going to be setting this up? Is he going to be giving us nudge nudge wink wink hints towards each companion and then mysteriously stop at seven? Granted in this regard to it would be so much for finding people he doesen't know. He'd know everyone. I like this theory but probably would just need to adjust it slightly: Elgar'nan = Lusacan = Emmrich (Totally on board with this one even though the obvious link for Emmrich would be Falon'Din but God of Shadows fits with his contact with the spirit world) Dirthamen = Dumat = Bellara (Again totally on board with this. I've long thought those two gods are linked and Bellara is seeking old secrets). Falon'Din = Andoral = Lucanis (I think Andoral as god of slaves better fits Falon'Din than Urthemiel. FD wanted people to "bow low" to him) Sylaise = Toth = Taash (I'm sorry but this is just such a good fit it is the only one I'm prepared to go with) June = Urthemiel = Harding (We do not absolutely know that June was even an elf. Quite possibly a dwarf "elevated" by Mythal. Hence the sun motiff on the headdress because Sun = Titan = dwarf). Harding also gains magical powers this game. Anduril = Zazikel = Davrin (Always been happy to twin the first two and Davrin is a monster hunter - a bit on the nose but appropriate) Ghilan'nain = Razikale = Neve (Seems appropriate to me. Goddess of mysteries? I should say so. Also Ghil has a thing about spiral symbols, Razikale's priesthood speak of following the twisted path and the labyrinth of the goddess and Neve has a snake motif on her prosthetic leg. Nice correlation! Since this is the crazy theory thread...which is the great betrayer? Since this is the crazy theory thread...which is the great betrayer? Hopefully none of them but if I had to hazard a guess I'd go with either Bellara or Neve. The last two betrayers have been male (three if you count Iron Bull) so it is about time we had a female again. I suppose more to the point would be how they betray you. Simply take the opposing side in the final battle or actively sabotage your efforts. However, they've hinted it may be more like DAO and DA2 where they only turn on you if you haven't made an effort to get to know them and gain their loyalty. After all, with Anders you could sever relations with him at the end of Act 2, so he wasn't really betraying you as such when he blew up the Chantry two years later. Morrigan was following her own agenda but she just left if you wouldn't agree with her plan, not tried to kill you or aid the arch-demon. It should have been patently obvious that if you confirmed Bull as Hissrad his loyalty would always be to the Qun over you. So, the only real betrayer was Solas because he did stay with your throughout in the hope of recovering his orb and had it not broken he admitted he would have used it then and there to destroy the world you had just saved from Corypheus. He definitely takes the prize for ultimate betrayer. The more I think on it to....well I mean again despite how juicy this theory is and fun overall I don't really want to commit to it because of the million ton gorilla in the room. Its not so much that this theory is bad per se just that the reason we'd need 7 companions and would BioWare actually be bold enough to have the climax of the game happen in the area I mentioned in one of my previous posts? Like that is the far fetched part. But on the other hand BioWare, Gary McKay, and John Epler might've already given the game away in this regard. McKay is the one who mentioned that 7 companions and the number was 'important for the story that we're telling'. And Epler did say something along the lines of 'you may piss them off to where they leave, but in the end saving Thedas is more important then personal feelings so they will be back'. A vast paraphrase job but that suggests that A. Companions are really important to this story, maybe more so then in any BioWare story to this point, even more so then ME 2. B. That you can't get rid of them because even if you do their participation in the story is so important that they HAVE to be at the end game. And C. You can't kill them...for the same reasons. So whereever they go with this everything is pointing towards really important companions which then inquiring minds want to know why and how. And thus, I really don't think there will be a betrayal from the companions this time out, the more I think on it the more I don't think there will be anything TOO dramatic on that front, maybe a temporary one, maybe a situation where it looks like they will but really aren't...but otherwise no. Though that does bring back what midnight tea mentioned in another thread about maybe us betraying them. Been working on other crazy theories on that regard as well and suffice to say I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if, from a certain point of view, that may be true. Maybe we will even have to sacrifice them all at the end of the game in order to achieve victory?
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Post by azarhal on Jun 27, 2024 12:18:57 GMT
Unless June turns out to be a woman who was very close to Ghil, Uhorns is Andruil thanks to the The Missing traced concept art.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 12:46:44 GMT
Though that does bring back what midnight tea mentioned in another thread about maybe us betraying them. Been working on other crazy theories on that regard as well and suffice to say I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if, from a certain point of view, that may be true. Maybe we will even have to sacrifice them all at the end of the game in order to achieve victory?[/b] I sincerely hope not. To be honest I felt bad enough at the end of DAI first run when Solas disappeared and my Lavellan was just left not understanding why he had abandoned her, particularly as he had promised to explain after Cory was defeated. I know that strictly speaking he was telling the truth, just stretching it a little with the two year gap. I didn't feel any sense of celebration at the party and her finishing the game standing alone on the balcony just summed up how deflated I felt. I had to immediately plunge back in and play as gay Lavellan romancing Dorian to get over that. Then I did manage to get the sense of elation that we had won against the odds at the end, even if Dorian poured cold water on that one in Trespasser. I like to finish a game like I did with ME2 when I had done all the loyalty missions, won the trust of my team, made the right decisions on the ground and we all survived. That really felt good and I appreciated I had earned it, not just arrived at that point because it was impossible to fail. Even DAO first time round was satisfying in a different way. I'd rejected Morrigan and fully anticipated my Hero was going to die at the end of it, so when Alistair suddenly intervened and said he wanted to sacrifice himself for me as his friend, that was amazing. So, it was a bitter sweet ending but it was all about friendship triumphing over all. I really don't think I could take them making my PC the betrayer. That I built up all these friendships only to sacrifice them all. At least let them be happy to do so, not just something I force on them, and let us all go out together, as friends. Otherwise, I think that would be the end of playing Dragon Age for me whether there is a DA5 or not. It certainly wouldn't encourage me to want to replay it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 12:54:57 GMT
Unless June turns out to be a woman who was very close to Ghil, Uhorns is Andruil thanks to the The Missing traced concept art. I wouldn't place too much store but what was shown in the Missing. After all, neither of those two women looked anything like the monstrosity that was revealed in the trailer and concept art. If anything it is the one with the Uhorns that seems to be transforming, not the one with the bow shaped hat. Besides the last one of the left of the circle that I have identified as Andruil could be the hat flopped together into compressed horns. It was also weird that the final mural should be that of Fen'Harel attacking the Golden City. Who drew it? Whose temple were we in? Why had it apparently been walled up? I hope we get some sort of explanation soon.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 18:52:18 GMT
What makes you so sure that Taash is going to be Sylaise? In the companion trailer Varric (or Harding, I can't remember which) said they needed someone with fire in their blood to fight dragons. That person was Taash and so it did seem to fit together, with both Toth and Sylaise associated with fire.
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Post by catcher on Jun 27, 2024 20:51:12 GMT
Unless June turns out to be a woman who was very close to Ghil, Uhorns is Andruil thanks to the The Missing traced concept art. I wouldn't place too much store but what was shown in the Missing. After all, neither of those two women looked anything like the monstrosity that was revealed in the trailer and concept art. If anything it is the one with the Uhorns that seems to be transforming, not the one with the bow shaped hat. Besides the last one of the left of the circle that I have identified as Andruil could be the hat flopped together into compressed horns. It was also weird that the final mural should be that of Fen'Harel attacking the Golden City. Who drew it? Whose temple were we in? Why had it apparently been walled up? I hope we get some sort of explanation soon. Hope you don't mind but I'm going to be a bit contrary here. I haven't actually read 'The Missing' (need to see if I can get it from my library like most of the other DA comics, what can I say, I'm cheap ) but I do remember that the expectations were that it lead right into DAVe (at the time DAD but both are me so, heh). Given that they used Varric and Harding both for the XBox teaser and they feature prominently in the opening of DAVe, I am inclined to believe that the comic series was closely aligned with the game. As such, the prominent art particularly with the headdresses matching two of our Evanuris symbols perfectly do not seem to be a mistake or arbitrary. Through multiple sources of lore (in game, in WoT, in the tabletop RP game), Andruil is closely linked to Ghilin'nain. Since we have a bunch of proof that the figure with the upside-down moon is Ghil then it makes most sense for a female seeming figure in the (tapestry?) to be Andruil. Either the art is stylized or it is before Ghil went all monster mash on us, quite possibly through the auspices of one of those grey pools you are keen on from Tevinter Nights. The Fen'Harel seven-eyed wolf over the city is not new at all. We see it prominently in the 2020 trailer with the Elf Too Tall By a Head standing in front of it. It's the red themed one with Meredith, Cory, and our two mystery guests in DAVe on it as well. Who made the art itself and where are we? I'll see if I can lay eyes on the comic and get some clues. I DID notice one thing from the gameplay trailer. The figure at the center of the statues and most prominently displayed is the upside-down crescent moon. I guess it shouldn't surprise us that where Arlathan the city used to be would likely be the center of power for Ghil and her like-minded just as it seems Mythal and Fen'Harel were stronger in the south. Given that Ghil is also compassionately portrayed in THE one tapestry and the Wolf is demonized (quite literally) in the other, I think its safe to say that this scene is in one of her temples, maybe the same one that Fen'Harel is completing his ritual in at the beginning of DAVe. As for why it may have been walled off, that transformation you mentioned might have had something to do with it... Good talking with you.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 21:15:18 GMT
The figure at the center of the statues and most prominently displayed is the upside-down crescent moon. I guess it shouldn't surprise us that where Arlathan the city used to be would likely be the center of power for Ghil and her like-minded just as it seems Mythal and Fen'Harel were stronger in the south Except in Tevinter Nights Strife was adamant that Arlathan was the domain of Andruil, although Ghilan'nain was said to be her chosen, possibly her lover, so that would account for them both being found there. The two figures in the picture are almost certainly them. However, I still think the ones on the wheel correspond to the ones I suggested as placed where they are they make pairs much as have always been linked together. The two on either side of Elgar'nan are the pair Falon'Din and Dirthamen; the next in line either way are Sylaise and June; the two furthest away are Andruil and Ghilan'nain, which may also be symbolic of the fact that they were always most remote from the others and able to keep their activities secret in Andruil's forest. This was also farthest from Elgar'nan and Mythal's control.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 28, 2024 1:20:35 GMT
Though that does bring back what midnight tea mentioned in another thread about maybe us betraying them. Been working on other crazy theories on that regard as well and suffice to say I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if, from a certain point of view, that may be true. Maybe we will even have to sacrifice them all at the end of the game in order to achieve victory? I sincerely hope not. To be honest I felt bad enough at the end of DAI first run when Solas disappeared and my Lavellan was just left not understanding why he had abandoned her, particularly as he had promised to explain after Cory was defeated. I know that strictly speaking he was telling the truth, just stretching it a little with the two year gap. I didn't feel any sense of celebration at the party and her finishing the game standing alone on the balcony just summed up how deflated I felt. I had to immediately plunge back in and play as gay Lavellan romancing Dorian to get over that. Then I did manage to get the sense of elation that we had won against the odds at the end, even if Dorian poured cold water on that one in Trespasser. I like to finish a game like I did with ME2 when I had done all the loyalty missions, won the trust of my team, made the right decisions on the ground and we all survived. That really felt good and I appreciated I had earned it, not just arrived at that point because it was impossible to fail. Even DAO first time round was satisfying in a different way. I'd rejected Morrigan and fully anticipated my Hero was going to die at the end of it, so when Alistair suddenly intervened and said he wanted to sacrifice himself for me as his friend, that was amazing. So, it was a bitter sweet ending but it was all about friendship triumphing over all. I really don't think I could take them making my PC the betrayer. That I built up all these friendships only to sacrifice them all. At least let them be happy to do so, not just something I force on them, and let us all go out together, as friends. Otherwise, I think that would be the end of playing Dragon Age for me whether there is a DA5 or not. It certainly wouldn't encourage me to want to replay it. [/quote] I don't really expect this to be a definite betrayal but kind of a 'from a certain point of view' thing given its an RPG and given we do have relationship meters. If the PC decides to be open and up front with what they intend to do to their companions it strictly wouldn't be a 'betrayal', yet on the other hand if the PC keeps it from them or they have a negative relationship it could effect things in a different way. Similar to where its kind of hard viewing Morrigan's betrayal as one. Kind of dove tailing on this but a further expansion on the theory do wonder if the companions are more supposed to relate to being the Magisters Sidereal instead. It may be a moot point/ bit of a kalediscope effect/ distinction without a difference since it would just be Elven Gods= Old Gods= Magisters Sidereal= Our VG companions. But if I'm right about us having to penetrate the Black City, again the Whoa part about all this, then our objectives are effectively going to be the same as the Magisters in the first place.
Which I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the companions end up being the new seals keeping the Black City blocked off, which could be the 'betrayal'.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 7:35:25 GMT
Kind of dove tailing on this but a further expansion on the theory do wonder if the companions are more supposed to relate to being the Magisters Sidereal instead. It may be a moot point/ bit of a kalediscope effect/ distinction without a difference since it would just be Elven Gods= Old Gods= Magisters Sidereal= Our VG companions. But if I'm right about us having to penetrate the Black City, again the Whoa part about all this, then our objectives are effectively going to be the same as the Magisters in the first place.
Which I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the companions end up being the new seals keeping the Black City blocked off, which could be the 'betrayal'. Yes, I see what you are getting at here. It also feeds back into the idea that has been put forward previously that the Old Gods were actually allies of his that were necessary to act as seals on the prison of the elven gods (although Solas may not have told them they would end up being imprisoned too). It would also fit with the Dalish story that one set of gods returned to the heavens (the Golden City) and the others to their home in the Abyss (Deep Roads), which is where the Forgotten Ones were said to have their sanctuary. Then he betrayed both groups by imprisoning them. Thus, as each Old God was killed, the prison weakened. Whether the Old Gods were his allies or his enemies, the seal theory would certainly explain why he was so agitated at the idea they Grey Wardens were going to kill the last two.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 13:23:45 GMT
Musing on the 7 companions, does each come with some magical item or creature specific to them? Davrin - Assan the griffon Emmrich - Manfred the skeleton Taash - Special horn that replaces her missing right one (it could be more than simply aesthetic) Bellara - Magical arm band (also possibly a magical puzzle box) Neve - Her prosthetic leg in shape of a serpent Lucanis - Magical coat that sprouts wings as a form of defence Harding - Newly acquired magical abilities (could be inherent or from a magical item)
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So here we are again, yo boy with my latest pet theory...that each one of the Veilguard companions will represent one of the Elven gods...in some way. I like this theory but probably would just need to adjust it slightly: Elgar'nan = Lusacan = Emmrich (Totally on board with this one even though the obvious link for Emmrich would be Falon'Din but God of Shadows fits with his contact with the spirit world) Dirthamen = Dumat = Bellara (Again totally on board with this. I've long thought those two gods are linked and Bellara is seeking old secrets). Falon'Din = Andoral = Lucanis (I think Andoral as god of slaves better fits Falon'Din than Urthemiel. FD wanted people to "bow low" to him) Sylaise = Toth = Taash (I'm sorry but this is just such a good fit it is the only one I'm prepared to go with) June = Urthemiel = Harding (We do not absolutely know that June was even an elf. Quite possibly a dwarf "elevated" by Mythal. Hence the sun motiff on the headdress because Sun = Titan = dwarf). Harding also gains magical powers this game. Anduril = Zazikel = Davrin (Always been happy to twin the first two and Davrin is a monster hunter - a bit on the nose but appropriate) Ghilan'nain = Razikale = Neve (Seems appropriate to me. Goddess of mysteries? I should say so. Also Ghil has a thing about spiral symbols, Razikale's priesthood speak of following the twisted path and the labyrinth of the goddess and Neve has a snake motif on her prosthetic leg. Taking another look at the above I started to find myself confused by the labeling as well as your placement for Taash and Harding. I think the screen cap of our companions is the mirror to the Evanuris trapped in their prison and therefore needs to follow the order, (is the placement and labeling correct of the elven gods and the corresponding blighted dragon?) This is exactly the sort of innocent art drop without any obvious connection that the devs love to drop to tease us with because it’s meaningful…or troll us with because it’s not. The order of companions now follows the mirrored image left-to-right. 1. Davrin = Andruil = Zazikel 2. Taash = June = Toth I also like how Taash’s horns correlate to the horned symbol 3. Bellara = Dirthamen = Dumat 4. Emmrich = Elgar'nan = Lusacan 5. Lucanis = Falon'Din = Urthemiel 6. Harding = Sylaise = Andoral – I like the dwarf theory. DA wiki: In all Dalish tales Sylaise is the sister of Andruil the Huntress. Some legends paint them as daughters of Elgar'nan and Mythal while others suggest that they are children of the earth. Similarly, June is viewed either as their brother or as Sylaise's husband. (Harding does hook up with Taash, sooo we know that’s a thing.) 7. Neve = Ghilan'nain = Razikale
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Post by colfoley on Jun 28, 2024 19:18:36 GMT
I like this theory but probably would just need to adjust it slightly: Elgar'nan = Lusacan = Emmrich (Totally on board with this one even though the obvious link for Emmrich would be Falon'Din but God of Shadows fits with his contact with the spirit world) Dirthamen = Dumat = Bellara (Again totally on board with this. I've long thought those two gods are linked and Bellara is seeking old secrets). Falon'Din = Andoral = Lucanis (I think Andoral as god of slaves better fits Falon'Din than Urthemiel. FD wanted people to "bow low" to him) Sylaise = Toth = Taash (I'm sorry but this is just such a good fit it is the only one I'm prepared to go with) June = Urthemiel = Harding (We do not absolutely know that June was even an elf. Quite possibly a dwarf "elevated" by Mythal. Hence the sun motiff on the headdress because Sun = Titan = dwarf). Harding also gains magical powers this game. Anduril = Zazikel = Davrin (Always been happy to twin the first two and Davrin is a monster hunter - a bit on the nose but appropriate) Ghilan'nain = Razikale = Neve (Seems appropriate to me. Goddess of mysteries? I should say so. Also Ghil has a thing about spiral symbols, Razikale's priesthood speak of following the twisted path and the labyrinth of the goddess and Neve has a snake motif on her prosthetic leg. Taking another look at the above I started to find myself confused by the labeling as well as your placement for Taash and Harding. I think the screen cap of our companions is the mirror to the Evanuris trapped in their prison and therefore needs to follow the order, (is the placement and labeling correct of the elven gods and the corresponding blighted dragon?) This is exactly the sort of innocent art drop without any obvious connection that the devs love to drop to tease us with because it’s meaningful…or troll us with because it’s not. The order of companions now follows the mirrored image left-to-right. 1. Davrin = Andruil = Zazikel 2. Taash = June = Toth I also like how Taash’s horns correlate to the horned symbol 3. Bellara = Dirthamen = Dumat 4. Emmrich = Elgar'nan = Lusacan 5. Lucanis = Falon'Din = Urthemiel 6. Harding = Sylaise = Andoral – I like the dwarf theory. DA wiki: In all Dalish tales Sylaise is the sister of Andruil the Huntress. Some legends paint them as daughters of Elgar'nan and Mythal while others suggest that they are children of the earth. Similarly, June is viewed either as their brother or as Sylaise's husband. (Harding does hook up with Taash, sooo we know that’s a thing.) 7. Neve = Ghilan'nain = Razikale where'd we get info on Taash and Harding?
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Post by helios969 on Jun 28, 2024 19:21:12 GMT
where'd we get info on Taash and Harding? One of the devs dropped that tidbit...talking about the pansexual nature of companions...that if you don't pursue a romance with one or another they'll hook up.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 20:17:53 GMT
2. Taash = June = Toth I also like how Taash’s horns correlate to the horned symbol Still not on board with June being equated to Toth. I know Toth's high priest was the forge master, according to Hessarian, but I don't think June was a blacksmith so much as a creator of beautiful and intricate things. Hence being called "clever" June and Sylaise making the Grand Sonallium as a thank you present. Also the codex to Sylaise in the Temple of Mythal says: Sylaise, whose fire cannot be quenched. Thus, this is an ancient elf confirmation of the Dalish association with the hearth and camp fires. She is literally the goddess of fire. So Taash = Sylaise = Toth 5. Lucanis = Falon'Din = Urthemiel Again, Falon'din just does not fit with Urthemiel, the Architect of Beauty. That sounds far more like someone who creates, constructs and invents magical wonders, like June. This is why I thought Andoral might be a better fit because Falon'Din wanted people to "bow low" which suggests slaves and also since Falon'Din was god of the dead, he likely instituted the practices of the Mortalitasi either capturing the souls of the dead, preventing their departure into the Fade, or doing the swap of the soul with spirits of the Fade to animate the dead bodies. Either way he was enslaving them to his will (as Fen'Harel accused the Mortalitassi of doing and Solas also despised Falon'Din for his vanity). So Lucancis = Falon'Din = Andoral. Then that frees up Urthemiel to link with June, which seems most appropriate to me. As I have pointed out, the sunburst headdress could be indicative of some link with the Titans, either because June was a dwarf or because June used a lot of lyrium in his projects and there is some sort of association between the Sun and the Titans ("My little Stones never yours the Sun forever" is likely not about the dwarves being forced to live underground but being severed from the memory of the Titans. Also Elgar'nan, the first born of the Sun (spirit who crossed to the material realm and took on a body from the earth) warred with the Sun and cast it down (again likely a reference to a Titan) Blood shed by the Sun in the battle became the silver stars (lyrium deposits). In fact the recent revelations included a comment that it had been revealed that the elves infused lyrium into their structures in a way that the Imperium had not been able to reproduce. Hence June was an architect of beauty, because he developed the technique for doing this. So June = Urthemiel and by default = Harding.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 28, 2024 20:23:13 GMT
^^If that's the case the two images do not correspond and the theory falls apart.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 20:26:17 GMT
^^If that's the case the two images do not correspond and the theory falls apart. Which theory? The one about Taash and Harding or something else? Remember it is only the Dalish that link Sylaise and June, possibly romantically. Actually they simply appear to have been allies at one time when Sylaise persuaded June to do her a "favour" whatever that might be. She was grateful enough she gave him a grand present. If I am right about June being a dwarf, then he was a child of the earth.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 28, 2024 20:30:10 GMT
^^If that's the case the two images do not correspond and the theory falls apart. Which theory? The one about Taash and Harding or something else? I'm just thinking in terms of how the two images mirror one another and the way the bottom one is labeled. If you look at purely numerically left-to-right 1 to 7, draw a vertical line through each companion and corresponding god and that should be the order. That's my logic anyways.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 20:36:41 GMT
I'm just thinking in terms of how the two images mirror one another and the way the bottom one is labeled. If you look at purely numerically left-to-right 1 to 7, draw a vertical line through each companion and corresponding god and that should be the order. That's my logic anyways. Ignore the labeling that you can see but simply reassign the gods as I've suggested. The symbols are still in the right place. So Toth is still horns like Taash but is now also Sylaise. The sunburst is no longer either Sylaise or Andoral but still links with Harding. The 3 horned one is still Falon'Din and links with Lucanis but is now Andoral, having swapped with Urthemiel who is now on the sunburst with Harding, along with June.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 28, 2024 20:48:49 GMT
I'm just thinking in terms of how the two images mirror one another and the way the bottom one is labeled. If you look at purely numerically left-to-right 1 to 7, draw a vertical line through each companion and corresponding god and that should be the order. That's my logic anyways. Ignore the labeling that you can see but simply reassign the gods as I've suggested. The symbols are still in the right place. So Toth is still horns like Taash but is now also Sylaise. The sunburst is no longer either Sylaise or Andoral but still links with Harding. The 3 horned one is still Falon'Din and links with Lucanis but is now Andoral, having swapped with Urthemiel who is now on the sunburst with Harding, along with June. Yeah, that was one of questions whether the labeling was established fact. So the labeling requires some interpretation...I'll have to do a bit of poking and put some thought on it. If your right about Sylaise it does make a bit of sense to place her next to her "sister" Andruil. That places Andruil across from her favorite (maybe lover) and Sylaise across from her husband (and hopefully NOT her brother ).
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Post by colfoley on Jun 28, 2024 20:54:45 GMT
You know if all this works out then the VG marketing campaign has been secretly brilliant.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 28, 2024 21:07:39 GMT
Musing on the 7 companions, does each come with some magical item or creature specific to them? Davrin - Assan the griffon Emmrich - Manfred the skeleton Taash - Special horn that replaces her missing right one (it could be more than simply aesthetic) Bellara - Magical arm band (also possibly a magical puzzle box) Neve - Her prosthetic leg in shape of a serpent Lucanis - Magical coat that sprouts wings as a form of defence Harding - Newly acquired magical abilities (could be inherent or from a magical item) Now I can respond to this. I like where you're going. Is this the dirty (half or so) dozen to invade the black city and put things right?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 28, 2024 23:15:03 GMT
Helios I see what you mean by mirror images now. Just flipped them in my head and at least the three points that I tested work out.
Another thing I'm enjoying about this theory I'm low key in love with just thought about the whole What Pride had Wrought thing and how Andruil is the God of sacrifice, sayeth Solas, and that does not fit. But what if the VG crew is supposed to be them at their 'ideal'.
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