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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 19, 2021 18:57:18 GMT
*snip* I guess I'm really not the kind of person who likes adaptations. At least not the way they're being done here. In theory it should be nice for book readers to get extra scenes, adds an element of surprise and intrigue. *snip* I can understand some changes in adaptations but not a completely different story and I say that as someone who loved the first episode as well. I couldn't understand why they killed Eskel off either. I won't be a sourpuss and mope about it for the people who liked it in this thread but if episode two is any indication on what the entire season is like then I'll probably bow out from watching season 3.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 19, 2021 19:30:30 GMT
Finished e5 & 6 *insert Southpark meme about bastards killing Roach here*
Some more improvement.
'Fire-fucker' seems like a really nasty piece of work. Although, I had to smile when he and his thugs accosted Geralt in the Temple. "Dude, you do not have enough guys".
I keep calling Jaskier 'Dandelion' and think the show should too, to make my life easier.
People he loves continually putting Ciri in danger is going to mess with Geralt's head in a fairly significant fashion, I'd have thought. Yennefer is a disappointment, but not wholly unexpected. Vesemir, though...he seems more...broken than the character in TW3. (I know - show is more books than games, but just my impression based on what my experience with the character had been). Triss seems to be heading that way as well.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 19, 2021 21:49:59 GMT
So I guess WoT and Witcher are more alike than I thought. The writers just want to write their own fanfiction. Having read both WoT and some of the Witcher books, up through where season 2 should have taken place (and maybe beyond, since it's basically impossible to tell anymore), I disagree. WoT is mostly rearranging events and compressing plot timelines that mostly do show up in the series somewhere. Witcher season 2 wrote an entirely new story. You might not like either of them, and that's fine, but the level of "fanfiction" in the two shows is not the same. As someone else said above, I don't want to be a negative Nellie for people who are liking the season, so I am going to bow out of the discussion now unless addressed directly. Hope those who like it will continue to do so
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 19, 2021 22:40:01 GMT
Episode 3 I liked it a lot better than the second one... until the ending. Cahir's storyline is a complete shit show at this point. Way worse than killing Eskel. How is he supposed to show up where he needs to show up now that he escaped with Yen?
At this point the show has nothing to do with the books anymore aside from Ciri's training. They are taking stuff from the books and twisting it into something completely different. Cahir was imprisoned in Nilfgaard, not by the mages. Triss had that conversation about her trauma and scars with Getalt at Kaer Morhen...
The beheading scene was completely ludicrous. For a moment I thought Yen might actually do it after they killed Eskel like that the previous episode. Might as well have because this character looks already ruined. He was such a sweet boy in the novels...
Aside from that I actually enjoyed the episode. Ciri's training was great. Didn't go exactly as in the books where she could NOT just beat the gauntlet on her own but needed Geralt to explain to her how she needs to approach it. But OK, Ciri is special. I'll allow it.
Loved all Ciri/Geralt scenes. The actress has gotten a lot better since S1.
Vesemir looking like Hulk Hogan is a bit weird but I'm OK with the actor and the scenes he had.
Yennefer is instantly more interesting when Fringilla isn't around. But I'm still trying to figure out why they invented all this melodrama about losing her powers. Are they gonna drag this out for the rest of the season?
I hope Triss got called away to Kaer Morhen because the plot really needs to get going!
The leshen looked super cool, was a nice action scene. But that was pure filler. The writers seem to go by what looks the coolest and fuck the actual plot.
I mean, shit, 3 episodes in and it has zero to do with Blood Of Elves so far! None of it is in the show so far. At this rate they need 20 seasons to finish the saga with all the stuff they invent for dramatic effect.
It was a pretty good hour of TV but the ending is telling me that they don't care about an actual adaptation at all.
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Post by nopersdeviv on Dec 20, 2021 1:59:53 GMT
Finished e5 & 6 *insert Southpark meme about bastards killing Roach here*
Some more improvement.
'Fire-fucker' seems like a really nasty piece of work. Although, I had to smile when he and his thugs accosted Geralt in the Temple. "Dude, you do not have enough guys".
I keep calling Jaskier 'Dandelion' and think the show should too, to make my life easier.
People he loves continually putting Ciri in danger is going to mess with Geralt's head in a fairly significant fashion, I'd have thought. Yennefer is a disappointment, but not wholly unexpected. Vesemir, though...he seems more...broken than the character in TW3. (I know - show is more books than games, but just my impression based on what my experience with the character had been). Triss seems to be heading that way as well. I'm thinking Jaskier will start going by Dandelion next season now that he's met Ciri. It was her that gave him the nickname to begin with, wasn't it? And yeah, I was thinking the same thing about Yen, Triss and Vesemir getting on Geralt's bad side. I'm interested to see how it works out. There will definitely be some resentment there directed at all 3 of them. I've enjoyed both season one and two, they've answered quite a few questions about TW3, but what the hell did they kill off Eskel for? That, to me, was a bad move.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 20, 2021 2:22:06 GMT
Finished e5 & 6 *insert Southpark meme about bastards killing Roach here*
Some more improvement.
'Fire-fucker' seems like a really nasty piece of work. Although, I had to smile when he and his thugs accosted Geralt in the Temple. "Dude, you do not have enough guys".
I keep calling Jaskier 'Dandelion' and think the show should too, to make my life easier.
People he loves continually putting Ciri in danger is going to mess with Geralt's head in a fairly significant fashion, I'd have thought. Yennefer is a disappointment, but not wholly unexpected. Vesemir, though...he seems more...broken than the character in TW3. (I know - show is more books than games, but just my impression based on what my experience with the character had been). Triss seems to be heading that way as well. I'm thinking Jaskier will start going by Dandelion next season now that he's met Ciri. It was her that gave him the nickname to begin with, wasn't it? And yeah, I was thinking the same thing about Yen, Triss and Vesemir getting on Geralt's bad side. I'm interested to see how it works out. There will definitely be some resentment there directed at all 3 of them. I've enjoyed both season one and two, they've answered quite a few questions about TW3, but what the hell did they kill off Eskel for? That, to me, was a bad move. Theoretically, the show is more based on the books than the games, but I haven't read them so no clue Had no idea it was Ciri that gave Dandelion the nickname...?
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Post by azarhal on Dec 20, 2021 2:40:58 GMT
Finished e5 & 6 *insert Southpark meme about bastards killing Roach here*
Some more improvement.
'Fire-fucker' seems like a really nasty piece of work. Although, I had to smile when he and his thugs accosted Geralt in the Temple. "Dude, you do not have enough guys".
I keep calling Jaskier 'Dandelion' and think the show should too, to make my life easier.
People he loves continually putting Ciri in danger is going to mess with Geralt's head in a fairly significant fashion, I'd have thought. Yennefer is a disappointment, but not wholly unexpected. Vesemir, though...he seems more...broken than the character in TW3. (I know - show is more books than games, but just my impression based on what my experience with the character had been). Triss seems to be heading that way as well. I'm thinking Jaskier will start going by Dandelion next season now that he's met Ciri. It was her that gave him the nickname to begin with, wasn't it? And yeah, I was thinking the same thing about Yen, Triss and Vesemir getting on Geralt's bad side. I'm interested to see how it works out. There will definitely be some resentment there directed at all 3 of them. I've enjoyed both season one and two, they've answered quite a few questions about TW3, but what the hell did they kill off Eskel for? That, to me, was a bad move. The other Witchers shouldn't show up on subsequent seasons outside flashbacks to this season based on the books. In Triss's case, what she has done so far in the Netflix series is not as bad as what she does in the books... It's kinda amusing, everyone (minus Geralt/Ciri) has done worst thing then their book version after this season, except her.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 20, 2021 2:59:47 GMT
edit because I had to compose my thoughts about it. Somewhat spoilery: The Ithlinne's Prophecy being about a curse makes a lot more sense (they kept the exact same wording)...and CDProjekt totally didn't understand that part. It still make certain things weird thought, because now it's all about saving the Elves or Ciri killing everyone... I'm through episode 6. Isn't Ithlinne's Prophecy just about the coming apocalypse in the form of an ice age, with the chosen one colonizing a new world within the multiverse (reborn with a new sun)? I don't think its a matter of CDPR not understanding but with them wanting to hand wave the white frost away instead.
Anyway, I'm not really a fan of the direction the show is taking here or anything to do with the elves really. Like Ciri being a super soldier or whatever. Also, did anybody watch Nightmare of the Wolf? A lot of the wacky stuff to do with the Witcher's and Vesemir was set up there.
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Post by nopersdeviv on Dec 20, 2021 3:08:59 GMT
I'm thinking Jaskier will start going by Dandelion next season now that he's met Ciri. It was her that gave him the nickname to begin with, wasn't it? And yeah, I was thinking the same thing about Yen, Triss and Vesemir getting on Geralt's bad side. I'm interested to see how it works out. There will definitely be some resentment there directed at all 3 of them. I've enjoyed both season one and two, they've answered quite a few questions about TW3, but what the hell did they kill off Eskel for? That, to me, was a bad move. Theoretically, the show is more based on the books than the games, but I haven't read them so no clue Had no idea it was Ciri that gave Dandelion the nickname...? I could've sworn there was a conversation in TW3 where Dandelion says that name came from Ciri...I may be wrong, but it's what I've been going by ever since.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 20, 2021 3:18:55 GMT
Theoretically, the show is more based on the books than the games, but I haven't read them so no clue Had no idea it was Ciri that gave Dandelion the nickname...? I could've sworn there was a conversation in TW3 where Dandelion says that name came from Ciri...I may be wrong, but it's what I've been going by ever since. Dandelion/Jaskier is an alias to hide his identity, he probably gave it too himself. I imagine hiding his nobility helps his Bard career but also... After his affair with Anna Henrietta the Duke wanted him dead.
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Post by dazk on Dec 20, 2021 3:43:41 GMT
From the internet:
"In Andrzej Sapkowski's books that inspired both the video game series and the television show, Dandelion's name was originally Jaskier. When translated directly from Polish to English, Jaskier means Buttercup, a name that doesn't quite properly fit the bard's personality. So instead of Buttercup, the translator opted to change Jaskier's name to Dandelion, seeing that it better fit the character."
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 20, 2021 3:55:47 GMT
Pfft. The "internet". What do they know?
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Post by dazk on Dec 20, 2021 5:02:14 GMT
Pfft. The "internet". What do they know? Quiet they're listening.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 20, 2021 5:14:13 GMT
Pfft. The "internet". What do they know? Quiet they're listening. We shall meet at the usual location to discuss.
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Post by dazk on Dec 20, 2021 6:01:02 GMT
Quiet they're listening. We shall meet at the usual location to discuss. I'll meet you round the back:
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 20, 2021 6:38:32 GMT
From the internet: "In Andrzej Sapkowski's books that inspired both the video game series and the television show, Dandelion's name was originally Jaskier. When translated directly from Polish to English, Jaskier means Buttercup, a name that doesn't quite properly fit the bard's personality. So instead of Buttercup, the translator opted to change Jaskier's name to Dandelion, seeing that it better fit the character." True, though Dandelion's actual name is Julian Alfred Pankratz, Viscount de Lettenhove. I'm pretty sure he uses his full title to get Geralt out of the clink in Blood and Wine if Anna Henrietta died.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 20, 2021 14:44:11 GMT
I haven’t really had time to put down my thoughts in full for either show, but I was just noting a similarity after watching the new season of the Witcher over the weekend.
I watched it with my brother who has never read the books and only knows the games from videos he’s watched and what I’ve told him. He complained about the heavy focus on politics getting boring for him, which made me think about how both the Witcher and The Wheel of Time have really tried to give that aspect a much heavier spotlight.
I think the impulse to make these shows more like A Game of Thrones but pulling the politics into the limelight (not that they didn’t exist in the source material but they didn’t get as much focus at this time in the plot) is a bit misguided.
Anyone else have any general thoughts on this trend?
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Post by azarhal on Dec 20, 2021 15:02:15 GMT
edit because I had to compose my thoughts about it. Somewhat spoilery: The Ithlinne's Prophecy being about a curse makes a lot more sense (they kept the exact same wording)...and CDProjekt totally didn't understand that part. It still make certain things weird thought, because now it's all about saving the Elves or Ciri killing everyone... I'm through episode 6. Isn't Ithlinne's Prophecy just about the coming apocalypse in the form of an ice age, with the chosen one colonizing a new world within the multiverse (reborn with a new sun)? I don't think its a matter of CDPR not understanding but with them wanting to hand wave the white frost away instead.
Anyway, I'm not really a fan of the direction the show is taking here or anything to do with the elves really. Like Ciri being a super soldier or whatever. Also, did anybody watch Nightmare of the Wolf? A lot of the wacky stuff to do with the Witcher's and Vesemir was set up there. Book spoilers: The Ithlinne's Prophecy isn't about saving everyone from an ice age. The ice age is the time frame. The prophecy is about the birth of a super powerful Elder Blood baby to save/protect the elves (bring a new age for the elves). More precisely, do what Lara Dorren was destined to do, which is to birth a super Elder Blood elf with Avallac'h (originally). The Aen Elle were very into eugenics (including stealing genes from other species like Unicorns). Also, into human genocide...
That's why book Emhyr interpreted the prophecy as meaning he's supposed to have a baby with his daughter Ciri, he believe he can save his nation/humans that way. Book Avallac'h instead want Ciri to have a baby with her great-great-great...-great-grandfather (Lara Doren's dad) to get back what was "stolen" from them (Aen Elle). As a note: Book Ciri doesn't like or trust Avallac'h one bit, he's not TW3 Avallac'h.
Then you add that Lara Doren cursed humans right before dying/giving birth. The scroll reading Fenn does in the show is taken from Baptism of Fire. The "killing everyone" and the curse is that Ciri isn't meant to save humans.
The show seems to have changed it to make Ciri the powerful Elder Blood baby instead thought. Probably to remove all the stuff about incest...
I haven’t really had time to put down my thoughts in full for either show, but I was just noting a similarity after watching the new season of the Witcher over the weekend. I watched it with my brother who has never read the books and only knows the games from videos he’s watched and what I’ve told him. He complained about the heavy focus on politics getting boring for him, which made me think about how both the Witcher and The Wheel of Time have really tried to give that aspect a much heavier spotlight. I think the impulse to make these shows more like A Game of Thrones but pulling the politics into the limelight (not that they didn’t exist in the source material but they didn’t get as much focus at this time in the plot) is a bit misguided. Anyone else have any general thoughts on this trend? The Witcher books are mostly about politics and Ciri running away form/getting capture by people trying too kill/rape her... Next season will have even more politics, because it's should be all about setting up and detonating the Thanedd Coup.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 20, 2021 15:47:10 GMT
I haven’t really had time to put down my thoughts in full for either show, but I was just noting a similarity after watching the new season of the Witcher over the weekend. I watched it with my brother who has never read the books and only knows the games from videos he’s watched and what I’ve told him. He complained about the heavy focus on politics getting boring for him, which made me think about how both the Witcher and The Wheel of Time have really tried to give that aspect a much heavier spotlight. I think the impulse to make these shows more like A Game of Thrones but pulling the politics into the limelight (not that they didn’t exist in the source material but they didn’t get as much focus at this time in the plot) is a bit misguided. Anyone else have any general thoughts on this trend? The Witcher books are mostly about politics and Ciri running away form/getting capture by people trying too kill/rape her... Next season will have even more politics, because it's should be all about setting up and detonating the Thanedd Coup. I know the politics were there, but much more “off-screen”. Stuff like Nilfgaard setting up an elven puppet state for example was entirely off-screen. Much of Dijkstra’s machinations as well. I’m pretty sure Phillipa wasn’t introduced until during or after Thaned.
It isn’t so much that they invented politics so much that they drew it forward and gave it a lot more limelight.
It’s to the point where I kinda feel like the main trio’s plot (Geralt, Ciri and Yennefer), with the Deathless Mother and Witcher shenanigans, was mostly there so they would have something to do while the show built up the political angles they want going into Thaned. I suppose the question I’m trying to ask, is this enhanced focus on the political plots actually improving the show?
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Post by azarhal on Dec 20, 2021 17:25:24 GMT
The Witcher books are mostly about politics and Ciri running away form/getting capture by people trying too kill/rape her... Next season will have even more politics, because it's should be all about setting up and detonating the Thanedd Coup. I know the politics were there, but much more “off-screen”. Stuff like Nilfgaard setting up an elven puppet state for example was entirely off-screen. Much of Dijkstra’s machinations as well. I’m pretty sure Phillipa wasn’t introduced until during or after Thaned.
It isn’t so much that they invented politics so much that they drew it forward and gave it a lot more limelight.
It’s to the point where I kinda feel like the main trio’s plot (Geralt, Ciri and Yennefer), with the Deathless Mother and Witcher shenanigans, was mostly there so they would have something to do while the show built up the political angles they want going into Thaned. I suppose the question I’m trying to ask, is this enhanced focus on the political plots actually improving the show? I personally think it does improve the show. The political stuff is present in the books, it's not because you get text description about "X doing Y" by another person in the book that it didn't happen. "X doing Y" off-screen doesn't work in a visual medium, you have to show that it happened or the viewer isn't going to understand what is going on later. The show actually improves the character motivations for things that happen later too (or change them but keep things coherent so far).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 20, 2021 19:47:42 GMT
Finished. Final two episodes went big, and also went home, so well played. Yennefer's change of heart and subsequent attempts to defend Ciri with a stick were predictable (well, maybe not the stick part) but handled well, I think. As was the re-connection with Geralt. When he told Ciri to get to Kaer Morhen because he "had a monster to kill"...I have to admit, I thought he was talking about Yen.
When the demon thing took control of Ciri at Kaer Morhen, I initially thought she was still in the dream world when she started killing people. Turns out it was real Witchers.
Not-Ciri opening the portal through the medallion tree/monolith and bringing those monsters through was a cool scene. Thinned the Witcher herd somewhat. But the rest of them were useless anyway. How many were struggling with two of the little ones? Then the big one comes through and Geralt takes it down by himself? Scrubs needa git gud.
"Search your feelings" and "love was the winner on the day" were a bit trite in terms of a strategy, but Yen's sacrifice was a nice touch. And neatly tied off by being transported to the hellscape of the Wild Hunt's world.
Will the three of them...plus Jaskier, I suppose...be traveling the Continent next season, then? Is that what was hinted at? All up - a lot better than S1.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 20, 2021 19:52:38 GMT
I suppose the question I’m trying to ask, is this enhanced focus on the political plots actually improving the show? Not so far, at least, not for me. But that is mostly down to the fact that all of the political 'players' in the series aren't really believable as such. I mean, who is the wet blanket of a Redanian King? That can't possibly be Radovid, right? Fringilla is a stone cold bitch, and I love it. I like Tissaia and Djikstra (but mostly his actor). Foltest is just...no. However, it's also not ruining it for me, and so long as that continues, I guess I don't really mind.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 20, 2021 20:07:51 GMT
Episode 4 was both good and bad: Everything about Kaer Morhen was great again. And Triss is spot on this season. She didn't come across QUITE as annoyingly preachy as in the books but it was fine.
Well, everything except Vesemir thinking about creating new Witcher. WTF?!?! That's character assassination territory for me. And it doesn't make sense. The books have this melancholy feeling that witchers are becoming redundant. They are a dying breed. The world soon won't need then anymore. Why the hell would Vesemir ever think about creating more of them?! Gosh, these writers... really pissed me off.
Not sure where the monolith story is going. Could be setting up her later abilities. I just hope the show won't get completely sidetracked.
I like Yen's portrayal less and less this season. Losing her powers has turned her into this weepy thing. And the nonstop cursing is really juvenile. She's maybe my favorite character in the books. Kind of hurts what they're doing to the character just because they needed to give her a storyline until she actually shows up in the books. I understand the decision but I wish it had been something else or less screen time. They basically made up shit to fill the narrative gap but at the same time they're drawing out her actual arrival in the story. Ugh.
And then they finally DO get to the part where she meets Dandelion and it's all wrong because she still doesn't have her powers back. Gonna be interesting how the scene with Rience will play out next episode...
In the books he gets captured because he sang about the Lion Cub! Why did they have to make the song about Geralt? Makes no sense... And book Yen does not like Dandelion much. Their meeting is a interesting mix of icy and just a touch of nice because she's grateful Gerald had a friend in him even if she doesn't like him. Book Yen's whole demeanor is really icy until Ciri changes her. With just a hint that she's really not a bad person underneath it.
I'm not a fan of her storyline on the show. And dragging Cahir around is so bizarre. Also, did he hit on her?! The whole sewer stuff was so unnecessary and boring. So cheesy too.
As expected, the show's really playing up the mistreatment of elves. And it's so one-sided and manipulative too so far. In the books there's a lot more nuance. I really hope when the show shows more of the Scoiatael, it will actually talk about how they're just misguided pawns and terrorists who only make things worse. Blood Of Elves had the great caravan scene as a good example of how messed up the situation is and how the elves paved the road to their own doom.
I giggled when I saw Dijkstra. I remember the actor well from his fun role on Lucifer. Didn't realize he was that beefy though. Would have preferred something along the lines of the game's appearance but the actor is great. So I'm sure he'll be great.
So overall a mixed bag. No doubt perfectly fine for non book readers. For me it's really a weird trip into an alternate reality Witcher world where some of the characters become less and less like their book counterparts. The only ones that remain really good adaptations are Geralt, Ciri and this season Triss. This season is definitely "interesting".
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 20, 2021 20:23:22 GMT
Its hard to put my thoughts into words here, so this may be a rambling mess. LOL. But anyway, in my opinion to do politics right in a story I don't think there is a middle ground. You either need to keep things in the background (like the books), where most characters have a simple understanding of what is going on because that is all they need or really care to know. Or go the other direction and really focus in on a lot of what's going on (the behind the scenes stuff), a la Game of Thrones, especially the earlier seasons. Aside from the fact the political plots here have gone through some serious rewrites, to me the show is in that middle ground, its trying to flesh things out more in its own way, while also rewriting things, and probably not going far enough. That is if the goal is to make things more coherent and easily understood, and the end result isn't doing it for me, as Dragon mentioned, "all of the political 'players' in the series aren't really believable as such." Also, the Redanian King is Radovid's father Vizimir for anyone confused on that. The scene where my brain checked out on this aspect of the show was when... Fringilla had her vision that Nilfgaard should form an alliance with the elves. I guess none of the spies, politicians, and generals in Nilfgaard thought of this. Compare all this to the caravan sequence in Blood and Elves that Kappa already brought up (probably my favourite section), where a lot is being accomplished in what is a pretty simple scene, characters just traveling and talking. Character development for Geralt, Ciri, and Yarpen, world building, the current political situation, and finally the tragic conclusion. Anyway, to tie this back to the legacy of GoT and its impact on Netflix's The Witcher, its hard to say. I'm sure there is some of it at play, but I think mainly the showrunners are just putting there own spin on the politics in the books, for good or ill. I don't see a big difference with this compared to other changes, other than the political stuff being inherently more boring than monsters roaming around Kaer Morhen for the average viewer.
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