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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 19:37:34 GMT
I don't think the next game will feature Shepard. Maybe it won't star Shepard, but no Shepard at all? What about old squadmates? What kinds of things do people care about? Things that they love. Family, friends, lasting relations, familiar places with fond memories, stuff like that. I mean, I'm guessing. Your old squadmates are probably off doing other things. Like in ME3, where everyone had their own side mission, and couldn't be apart of Shepard's team. If there was another game it would require Shepard to be alive, and that hinges on the high EMS destroy ending. I don't know the statistics on how many people chose that ending, but the new game would require it to be quite high. If everyone chose the other endings, there won't be Shepard in it.
So, people like things that are familiar, and people they care about, like the Normandy crew? What if the next game was in the Milky Way, but didn't feature Shepard or their crew. Would it flop?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 14, 2019 19:54:04 GMT
Your old squadmates are probably off doing other things Maybe. Maybe not Like in ME3, where everyone had their own side mission, and couldn't be apart of Shepard's team That was budget and time constraints. If there was another game it would require Shepard to be alive, and that hinges on the high EMS destroy ending. I don't know the statistics on how many people chose that ending, but the new game would require it to be quite high That's fine. If everyone chose the other endings, there won't be Shepard in it. There was a survey posted online someplace or other where it showed that the fanbase overwhelmingly chose Destroy, but didn't disclose EMS. So, people like things that are familiar, and people they care about, like the Normandy crew? What if the next game was in the Milky Way, but didn't feature Shepard or their crew. Would it flop? It would certainly miss on a large dynamic. I don't know if it would be outright ridiculed. I can give you a sure fire ticket for at least a couple hundred thousand sales in Maggie Baird (Samara) and getting her irl daughter to perhaps make a small cameo role appearance in the game. I hear that Billie Eilish is all the rage with the young kids today. That will attract those 12 year olds. Boy, do I feel dirty just saying that. Ideally, though, if you return to the Milky Way, you want to also tap into the full potential of the franchise with Shepard and co. to ensure the best marketable result for your game. You can most definitely not do it, but it most likely won't bring an advantage.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 14, 2019 20:10:46 GMT
Also I love your pic of jack and miranda. Underrated pairing with great potential to be besties; two flip sides of the same coin that can antagonize each other, without directly competing with each other, can pass the Bechdel test and still make for compelling, feminine, though one of them is very unconventionally so and relatable characters? And the most Bioware explored any of that was maybe 5 or so lines over 2 games? You fucking bet I would headcanon and explore/expand their friendship on my own/related fan media because I have no hope of Bioware ever returning and doing their characters justice on their own. So you think they should? Shepard and potentially co. are the biggest hook I can think of to entice old fans back and to get non-fans to come check what the fuss is all about. Like getting the Chief back for Halo. Some might see it as a desperate move, sure, but nobody will acknowledge it as a bad one, for commercial reasons. If Bioware has been saving that move for the day they fall for grace, I think now is the time to take advantage of it. Exactly. It would bring people back. Look at halo. When they brought the chief back the slaes went up and that was a first person shooter game that wasn't played for it's stroyline first like mass effect was. Bringing shep back for one more game would get people involved again. And what my hope is (though I doubt this will happen) is that they will have two mass effect series going. One in andromeda that keeps showing ryders story (I didn't hate ryder though they could use a better VA) and one in the milky way. Bringing shepard back could bring attention to it and get it started and if they chose too they could bring back shepard for more games. They could even do a time jump of a few decades and say something like due to reaper tech being adapted and used peoples lifespans have doubled or perhaps more (if they could afford the treatment).
I went on a bit of a rant but you get what I am saying and am glad someone agrees
PS. then you also might get more jack and miranda content.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 14, 2019 20:23:12 GMT
I went on a bit of a rant but you get what I am saying and am glad someone agrees It's not exactly like what is being proposed here is a sort of unfathomable stretch. This is a very logical train of thought that anyone can follow and reach the same conclusion. Even if you don't like it from a story telling standpoint, at least from a commercially successful one. And Bioware needs that win. PS. then you also might get more jack and miranda content. Ugh, wouldn't that be the dream. I expect them to be outstaged from new characters, because you know, best place to start the trilogy, no cameo or even a reference from them, even if they were previously your LIs and ditched for Tali and Liara again. Which don't even share any chemistry between them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 20:33:19 GMT
If they brought Shepard back for another game, people are going to want another game, and another, and another, until Bioware decides not to make any more Mass Effect games.
It's just like the closure issue. People wanted more closure, so Bioware added a Normandy evac scene, and slides for the EC where you got to say goodbye again after speaking to them at the comm terminal and the FOB. For some that still wasn't good enough, so they made Citadel, a DLC specifically tailored to spending more time with your favorite characters, and to some that still wasn't good enough. They want another game or three with the characters.
Then one of the doctors' said fans had unreasonable expectations, and rightly so. Fans are completely obsessed and overly emotional attached to fictional video game characters and the world they live in.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 14, 2019 20:54:39 GMT
If they brought Shepard back for another game, people are going to want another game, and another, and another, until Bioware decides not to make any more Mass Effect games. That is up to Bioware to decide going forward, but I would really like to seem them do another Andromeda and Shepard used scarcely, especially for cases like Bioware find themselves now. Just leave that Shepard window open, just a little, just in case.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 15, 2019 1:02:55 GMT
I went on a bit of a rant but you get what I am saying and am glad someone agrees It's not exactly like what is being proposed here is a sort of unfathomable stretch. This is a very logical train of thought that anyone can follow and reach the same conclusion. Even if you don't like it from a story telling standpoint, at least from a commercially successful one. And Bioware needs that win. PS. then you also might get more jack and miranda content. Ugh, wouldn't that be the dream. I expect them to be outstaged from new characters, because you know, best place to start the trilogy, no cameo or even a reference from them, even if they were previously your LIs and ditched for Tali and Liara again. Which don't even share any chemistry between them. I never understood the lack of jack content. I mean I understood jacobs lack of content because he wasn't well liked. However jack and miranda were well liked. However at least miranda got some attention and even a fade to black scene. Until the citadel dlc she got barely anything. I hope in the next game they come back as squad mates. I expect that the next game if in the milky way will have something like dragons keep for it so it would be possible to factor it in even if it was next gen. If they bring back the old squadmates (minus kasumi and zaeed) I think they should have no new characters as squadmates and since zaeed can't be used since his VA died and thane is dead,mordin is dead or in hiding,wrex is dead or leading a country so he can't be used as a squadmate. So it's possible to bring all the LI's back as crew. And yes this includes sam and cortez from ME3 Though they wouldn't be squadmates. It would bring ALOT of people to the game and sell dlc
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 15, 2019 6:25:31 GMT
I honestly don't know why anyone would want Shepard to come back, he/she was kinda boring.
Where as Ryder is just a Boy/Girl Scout wannabe.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 15, 2019 7:32:12 GMT
I honestly don't know why anyone would want Shepard to come back, he/she was kinda boring. Where as Ryder is just a Boy/Girl Scout wannabe. There's people wanting Jesus to come back. Why do you think the zombie genre is do popular?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 15, 2019 7:59:09 GMT
I never understood the lack of jack content Most people didn't upgrade the Normandy, so for most players going into ME3, she was dead. And because Bioware had 18 months to make ME3, she was royally reduced to a cameo in a side mission, just like Samara and we got Tali as a squadmate, 2/3 of the game in, because Weekes interjected that you can't have a Mass Effect game without Tali. Jack was supposed to be a full squadmate in ME3, hence the complete makeover. I hope in the next game they come back as squad mates Jack and Miranda in their interactions practically write themselves. I want elevator rides back, just so I can get stuck in one with Jack and Miranda. I think they should have no new characters as squadmates So it's possible to bring all the LI's back as crew. And yes this includes sam and cortez from ME3 Though they wouldn't be squadmates. It would bring ALOT of people to the game and sell dlc Yes, it would. And as I said last time, after the Citadel blowing up, Kelly can decide that the safest place in the galaxy is right next to Shepard and she can be on board, too. But no Diana Allers, please. Why couldn't we get Emily Wong on board? She was a good girl and Bioware killed her off in a tweet. I honestly don't know why anyone would want Shepard to come back Because he will sell copies.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 15, 2019 13:47:16 GMT
I honestly don't know why anyone would want Shepard to come back, he/she was kinda boring. Where as Ryder is just a Boy/Girl Scout wannabe. There's people wanting Jesus to come back. Why do you think the zombie genre is do popular? LOL, people wanting a 2,000+ year old corpse to back. 🤣
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 15, 2019 13:51:23 GMT
I never understood the lack of jack content Most people didn't upgrade the Normandy, so for most players going into ME3, she was dead. And because Bioware had 18 months to make ME3, she was royally reduced to a cameo in a side mission, just like Samara and we got Tali as a squadmate, 2/3 of the game in, because Weekes interjected that you can't have a Mass Effect game without Tali. Jack was supposed to be a full squadmate in ME3, hence the complete makeover. I hope in the next game they come back as squad mates Jack and Miranda in their interactions practically write themselves. I want elevator rides back, just so I can get stuck in one with Jack and Miranda. I think they should have no new characters as squadmates So it's possible to bring all the LI's back as crew. And yes this includes sam and cortez from ME3 Though they wouldn't be squadmates. It would bring ALOT of people to the game and sell dlc Yes, it would. And as I said last time, after the Citadel blowing up, Kelly can decide that the safest place in the galaxy is right next to Shepard and she can be on board, too. But no Diana Allers, please. Why couldn't we get Emily Wong on board? She was a good girl and Bioware killed her off in a tweet. I honestly don't know why anyone would want Shepard to come back Because he will sell copies. And how many copies? Because, more people left the ME franchise than have stayed. Hell, the original BSN had more members in it before ME3 came out.
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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Aug 15, 2019 14:37:51 GMT
Prequel, set in the late 2170s. Maybe feature the Skyllian Blitz but as a minor part of the story, should be an original story like RDR2.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 15, 2019 15:30:16 GMT
Hell, the original BSN had more members in it before ME3 came out. Well, I guess Bioware fucked up somewhere around there, then. If only there was a large event that happened with the release of ME3 to reflect that. I just ... I don't know, what could it be?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 15, 2019 18:44:21 GMT
I never understood the lack of jack content Most people didn't upgrade the Normandy, so for most players going into ME3, she was dead. And because Bioware had 18 months to make ME3, she was royally reduced to a cameo in a side mission, just like Samara and we got Tali as a squadmate, 2/3 of the game in, because Weekes interjected that you can't have a Mass Effect game without Tali. Jack was supposed to be a full squadmate in ME3, hence the complete makeover. I hope in the next game they come back as squad mates Jack and Miranda in their interactions practically write themselves. I want elevator rides back, just so I can get stuck in one with Jack and Miranda. I think they should have no new characters as squadmates So it's possible to bring all the LI's back as crew. And yes this includes sam and cortez from ME3 Though they wouldn't be squadmates. It would bring ALOT of people to the game and sell dlc Yes, it would. And as I said last time, after the Citadel blowing up, Kelly can decide that the safest place in the galaxy is right next to Shepard and she can be on board, too. But no Diana Allers, please. Why couldn't we get Emily Wong on board? She was a good girl and Bioware killed her off in a tweet. I honestly don't know why anyone would want Shepard to come back Because he will sell copies. Yeah but samara wasn't an LI and you got jack earlier on. Also kelly would be easy to bring back since she is on the normandy not a squademate. They could even have her being a shrink rather then someone who handles your emails and stuff so samantha would be able to be where she was in ME3. They would have to bring back the normandy too of course.
I didn't hate diana allers but I thought she wasn't needed and was just to get a celebrity as a VA. I wish they would bring jack back and have her actually show her biotics off properly rather then her powers in ME2 where her powers were useless after veteran difficulty (except warp ammo).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 15, 2019 20:15:10 GMT
Yeah but samara wasn't an LI She kinda was, in Citadel. Like I've already said, the best reason to get Samara back is Maggie Baird herself and the fact that her daughter is a bona fide teenage pop star, most notably at the peek of her popularity right now. A lot of little zoomers would buy Billie's game, if Bioware could leverage Maggie to use Billie, even as a side character. Won't cost them more than Natalie Dormamu did and it most definitely will attract a bigger audience. Also kelly would be easy to bring back since she is on the normandy not a squademate. I have no objection for Kelly, she may be a significantly minor character, compared to others, but she is pleasant, if not a little floozy. We've got enough of the crew and side characters dead to sneak her in, budget wise, I mean. And yeah, since she can do the psychological stuff, she has a real use on the ship, especially in a post Reaper setting, a shrink would be quite helpful on the team. Might even help with Shepard's PTSD dreams. Especially a romanced Kelly would have proven invaluable to a PTSD suffering Shepard, don't you guys think?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 16, 2019 2:57:21 GMT
Yeah but samara wasn't an LI She kinda was, in Citadel. Like I've already said, the best reason to get Samara back is Maggie Baird herself and the fact that her daughter is a bona fide teenage pop star, most notably at the peek of her popularity right now. A lot of little zoomers would buy Billie's game, if Bioware could leverage Maggie to use Billie, even as a side character. Won't cost them more than Natalie Dormamu did and it most definitely will attract a bigger audience. Also kelly would be easy to bring back since she is on the normandy not a squademate. I have no objection for Kelly, she may be a significantly minor character, compared to others, but she is pleasant, if not a little floozy. We've got enough of the crew and side characters dead to sneak her in, budget wise, I mean. And yeah, since she can do the psychological stuff, she has a real use on the ship, especially in a post Reaper setting, a shrink would be quite helpful on the team. Might even help with Shepard's PTSD dreams. Especially a romanced Kelly would have proven invaluable to a PTSD suffering Shepard, don't you guys think? Was samara really an LI though? I never saw that scene in citadel but from what I gather it was basically a one night stand.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2019 5:12:50 GMT
Depends on where you want to draw the line. I'd count Samara since the relationship is portrayed as serious, unlike the Allers, Javik, and Vega one-night-stands.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 16, 2019 10:37:21 GMT
Hell, the original BSN had more members in it before ME3 came out. Well, I guess Bioware fucked up somewhere around there, then. If only there was a large event that happened with the release of ME3 to reflect that. I just ... I don't know, what could it be? I'll give you a hint: it ends in red, blue and green... But yeah, if BioWare really, really, REALLY wants to breathe life into ME again, they'll have to do something bigger then bringing back Shepard.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 16, 2019 12:36:03 GMT
I'll give you a hint: it ends in red, blue and green... The national flag of Azerbaijan. I knew it! But yeah, if BioWare really, really, REALLY wants to breathe life into ME again, they'll have to do something bigger then bringing back Shepard Bringing Shepard back won't save the franchise, it's true, but it will go a long way for disgruntled Bioware fans. If they manage to make a good game out of him, rather than just a decent one, that will be nailing it. Which may solidify the notion that you can't have Mass Effect, without Shepard for some, but I don't think that's true. If people believe in Bioware again, they will be up for another Andromeda, I believe.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 16, 2019 12:59:27 GMT
I don't believe anymore.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 16, 2019 13:07:38 GMT
But what if we got mildly entertaining games again? Who did you romance, Pounce de León?
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 16, 2019 13:20:56 GMT
But what if we got mildly entertaining games again? Who did you romance, Pounce de León ? PuGs. Teabagging them in MP was my only delight.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 16, 2019 14:04:09 GMT
But what if we got mildly entertaining games again? Who did you romance, Pounce de León ? PuGs. Teabagging them in MP was my only delight. The next iteration should come with a hip grind emote;)
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 17, 2019 2:16:18 GMT
Well, I guess Bioware fucked up somewhere around there, then. If only there was a large event that happened with the release of ME3 to reflect that. I just ... I don't know, what could it be? I'll give you a hint: it ends in red, blue and green... But yeah, if BioWare really, really, REALLY wants to breathe life into ME again, they'll have to do something bigger then bringing back Shepard. It won't make people love the game and the game would need to be a good game. However brining shepard back will get more attention and more copies sold then otherwise. But just bringing back shepard and making a mediocre game wouldn't go over well. But making a mediocre game wouldn't go over well anyways. Basically I am saying they should bring them back because it will get more excitment and people would buy more copies.
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