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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 19:57:10 GMT
Inquisition is Bioware's BEST SELLING title Bioware's best launch. ME3 is still Bioware's best selling title. Your point about protagonists has nothing to do with facts, just your preference Like I said, we could argue the importance of a carry over protagonist and why changing impacts franchise performance. Although it is evident in popular media, such as Batman, Superman, Transformers, X-Men, Captain America, Iron Man, Wonder Woman etc. well, looks like your preference isn't that shared or viewed as important. Amazing what simply being open minded will let you see. I'd argue the opposite. But you do you. To the likes of you, maybe. But you'd say that regardless of what I said. You maintain that Montreal was closed so that EA could have more people working on Battlefront 2 as the only reason for the studio closing down, correct? First... it says of the series, not of all Bioware franchises in your link. Second: According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold If you use the wiki for Inquisition. And every bit of data and information we have been given since, it all keeps saying DA:I is their most successful title in terms of sales.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 20:44:35 GMT
First... it says of the series, not of all Bioware franchises in your link. Second: According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold If you use the wiki for Inquisition. And every bit of data and information we have been given since, it all keeps saying DA:I is their most successful title in terms of sales. A launch is a specific amount of time. Is it launch day? Launch week? Launch month? Launch year? So, it would seem that EA has let everyone know that Dragon Age: Inquisition is BioWare's most successful launch ever. Makes no distinction of when, or sales numbers. You won't find sales numbers for Inquisition because, truth is, they're not as impressive. And before you come out calling me biased, EA does give specific numbers, when a game launch is that successful, even in 2020. Just like Andromeda's sales, By the end of March 2018, at least 2.5 million retail copies of Andromeda had also been shipped they weren't that impressive and probably fared about as well. Otherwise, EA would have shouted it from the rooftops. And this isn't me saying this, it's how EA operates. They generally obfuscate and avoid giving direct numbers when sales aren't as impressive, even for their big moneymakers. And it makes sense, because it upsets the investors and they don't need to know everything. It's just business.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 20:46:22 GMT
First... it says of the series, not of all Bioware franchises in your link. Second: According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold If you use the wiki for Inquisition. And every bit of data and information we have been given since, it all keeps saying DA:I is their most successful title in terms of sales. A launch is a specific amount of time. Is it launch day? Launch week? Launch month? Launch year? So, it would seem that EA has let everyone know that Dragon Age: Inquisition is BioWare's most successful launch ever. Makes no distinction of when, or sales numbers. You won't find sales numbers for Inquisition because, truth is, they're not as impressive. And before you come out calling me biased, EA does give specific numbers, when a game launch is that successful, even in 2020. Just like Andromeda's sales, By the end of March 2018, at least 2.5 million retail copies of Andromeda had also been shipped they weren't that impressive and probably fared about as well. Otherwise, EA would have shouted it from the rooftops. And this isn't me saying this, it's how EA operates. They generally obfuscate and avoid giving direct numbers when sales aren't as impressive, even for their big moneymakers. And it makes sense, because it upsets the investors and they don't need to know everything. It's just business. You really hate it when facts are brought up to destroy your arguments... don't you?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 20:47:56 GMT
You really hate it when facts are brought up to destroy your arguments... don't you? Do you have a citation?
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Post by Phantom on Feb 26, 2020 20:50:54 GMT
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 20:56:32 GMT
You really hate it when facts are brought up to destroy your arguments... don't you? Do you have a citation? Considering you've been provided quotes and citations for Andromeda and now this and just went "naaaaaaah, they weren't telling the truth"... nah, not even gonna waste the time presenting you facts anymore. You clearly do not want to accept them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 21:01:54 GMT
Considering you've been provided quotes and citations for Andromeda and now this and just went "naaaaaaah, they weren't telling the truth"... nah, not even gonna waste the time presenting you facts anymore. You clearly do not want to accept them. Then you do not. So, just some food for thought: Dragon Age 2 was the previous biggest launch in the franchise, outselling Dragon Age Origins 2:1 in the first week. In a 10 week timeframe, Dragon Age Origins had outsold Dragon Age 2 by a few hundred thousand copies. Inquisition wouldn't be the first game to sell well in its first week and fall off a cliff the next. It wouldn't even be the first in its own franchise. Best launch doesn't mean best selling overall. Or it is and EA is just keeping it a very tight secret.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 26, 2020 21:17:40 GMT
Actually it does because Superman questioning his place in the world is far more interesting then mary sue superman saves everyone because he is perfect in every single way. Too bad the shitty Snyder version does neither. Actually it does. Clark's struggle with being different. His father's fear of what people would think of his son for being different. A conviction he hold so strongly he literally lets himself be killed just to keep his son protected. Clark traveling the world trying to find himself as disasters and ass holes come causing him to reveal is abilities and move on to keep moving on. Right until he finds the crashed ship and computer daddy tells him about his capabilities and what he could do and encourages him to be a symbol of hope. The fact that right after the movie came out countless people were more then happy to say that Clark was the one causing all the destruction in his fight against Zod. Even though it was Zod who was doing the destruction. Which actually proves papa Kent's point. Clark was just trying to stop someone who out right said he was going to genocide all of humanity. Zod was created to be a solider, trained to be a soilder and was out to cause as much death and destruction as possible. While Clark was never a solider nor a fighter. He had never been in a situation were a light tap wouldn't stop the attacker cold. Zod wanted to bath in human blood to punish Superman because he choose to sacrifice the possibility of Krypton's revival to save a race that had not yet destroyed themselves though their own hubris. Culminating in Zod literally telling him that Sups would have to kill him to stop him. Which he finally did as Zod was about to BBQ a group of innocent people who were trapped. Everyone who complained about this just proved papa Kent right. Because he son did his best to help but was hated and insulted by people who only viewed him as destructive and bad. This continues in BvS were Superman deals with the backlash of his attempts to help people and Luthor setting him up and framing him in the incident in Africa. Superman literally debates if he should give up being Superman with all the backlash he is getting for his genuine attempts to help. Culminating in his failure to notice a bomb in a wheel chair resulting in dozens of deaths that he absolutly could have stopped if he knew about the bomb. This is why he goes up to the mountain and has a talk with ghost papa kent. Who tells Clark about an event in his life were during a flood he worked all night to keep their farm from flooding. But the result of that effect was causing a near by farm to flood. Which caused unintended deaths. So Clark either needs to learn to shoulder the responsibilities of the unintended effects or stop being Superman. Which at that point Clark realizes that he has to do the right thing even if people hate him for it because he is the symbol of what humanity could become. This is finalized in the way he willingly sacrifices himself to stop Doomsday. Already impaled by Doomsday's spikes he literally grabs a hold of one of them and pulls himself closer to Doomsday further impaling himself on his spikes because that is what a hero does. He sacrifices himself to save others without a second though. Shouldering all the responsibilities including the knowledge that it might call for his own life to be the symbol of hope to the world.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 26, 2020 21:32:29 GMT
Too bad the shitty Snyder version does neither. Actually it does. Clark's struggle with being different. His father's fear of what people would think of his son for being different. A conviction he hold so strongly he literally lets himself be killed just to keep his son protected. Clark traveling the world trying to find himself as disasters and ass holes come causing him to reveal is abilities and move on to keep moving on. Right until he finds the crashed ship and computer daddy tells him about his capabilities and what he could do and encourages him to be a symbol of hope. The fact that right after the movie came out countless people were more then happy to say that Clark was the one causing all the destruction in his fight against Zod. Even though it was Zod who was doing the destruction. Which actually proves papa Kent's point. Clark was just trying to stop someone who out right said he was going to genocide all of humanity. Zod was created to be a solider, trained to be a soilder and was out to cause as much death and destruction as possible. While Clark was never a solider nor a fighter. He had never been in a situation were a light tap wouldn't stop the attacker cold. Zod wanted to bath in human blood to punish Superman because he choose to sacrifice the possibility of Krypton's revival to save a race that had not yet destroyed themselves though their own hubris. Culminating in Zod literally telling him that Sups would have to kill him to stop him. Which he finally did as Zod was about to BBQ a group of innocent people who were trapped. Everyone who complained about this just proved papa Kent right. Because he son did his best to help but was hated and insulted by people who only viewed him as destructive and bad. This continues in BvS were Superman deals with the backlash of his attempts to help people and Luthor setting him up and framing him in the incident in Africa. Superman literally debates if he should give up being Superman with all the backlash he is getting for his genuine attempts to help. Culminating in his failure to notice a bomb in a wheel chair resulting in dozens of deaths that he absolutly could have stopped if he knew about the bomb. This is why he goes up to the mountain and has a talk with ghost papa kent. Who tells Clark about an event in his life were during a flood he worked all night to keep their farm from flooding. But the result of that effect was causing a near by farm to flood. Which caused unintended deaths. So Clark either needs to learn to shoulder the responsibilities of the unintended effects or stop being Superman. Which at that point Clark realizes that he has to do the right thing even if people hate him for it because he is the symbol of what humanity could become. This is finalized in the way he willingly sacrifices himself to stop Doomsday. Already impaled by Doomsday's spikes he literally grabs a hold of one of them and pulls himself closer to Doomsday further impaling himself on his spikes because that is what a hero does. He sacrifices himself to save others without a second though. Shouldering all the responsibilities including the knowledge that it might call for his own life to be the symbol of hope to the world. Fair point about Man of Steel, which I admittedly like as a guilty pleasure despite some parts that make me groan (Papa Kent's magical tornado vanish death just doesn't sit right with me). But BvS, I can find simply nothing to defend in that overwrought piece of schlock, particularly with Midnight Murder-Man who happens to have a bat logo on his chest, serving as a grim parody in an overindulgent yet nonsensical plot, and superman's "nemesis", Mark Zuckerberg's Final Form. Why the fuck didn't Wonder Woman hit doomsday with the spear? Maybe Murder-Man should've tipped some bullets with kryptonite. I'll admit that I relish my naked hatred of the DCEU, and am finding a grim kind of glee in DC's precarious position right now with AT&T sharpening their ax. My ultimate hope here is that this serves as a cautionary tale that the cold calculations of dumbass executives should not be too prominent a force when assembling a major property like this. The DCEU is the result of a directionless hodgepodge of mindless bombast with no clear vision beyond simply make fucktons of money. To tie this back to the actual topic, this is something I feel would be the primary motivator for bringing Shepard back. Like, who gives a shit what happened before? Dig that son of a bitch out of his grave and make him dance for the camera because that's what those dumbass players want. What other motivator would EA/BioWare even need. Art? Fuck that. Art is the enemy to be extinguished.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 27, 2020 0:12:02 GMT
But BvS, I can find simply nothing to defend in that overwrought piece of schlock, particularly with Midnight Murder-Man who happens to have a bat logo on his chest, serving as a grim parody in an overindulgent yet nonsensical plot, and superman's "nemesis", Mark Zuckerberg's Final Form. Welcome to what a realistic batman would be like. Particularly one that appears to have had their Robin brutally murdered. This batman that doesn't kill is stupid given a lot of the enemies he faces. Jokers death count is literally in the hundreds to thousands depending on the version. And Batman is responsible for each of them. Not only that but 0 evidence ever found or handed off to the police would ever be allowed in court because it wasn't found though legal routes.
Doomsday being created by combining Zod's Kryptonian DNA and Lex's Human DNA isn't any more stupid then Doomsday's actual origin story. Which is during Krypton's dinosaur age equivalent a scientist set up shop there and wanted to make the ultimate being. So they kept cloning and improving a baby throwing it out into the wilderness. Each time it died they examined the remains and cloned a newer version with less weakness. Right up until it became more or less immortal. Able to survive in the vacuum of space, in the fires of magma and taking point blank massive energy blasts to the face and only being rendered unconscious and healing.
So Lex's god complex (which is displayed in comics) thinking he could combine his DNA and create a super powerful being he could control isn't out of place. Nor is Doomsday's origins any more stupid then his already stupid origins and the fact doomsday's entire character is that he is unkillable mindless destruction given form.
Same reason Quill fucks up and allows Thanos to retain the glove. Same reason why Thor only hits him in the chest rather then splitting his head open in Infinity War. And the same reason Tony snaps rather then handing the glove to Hulk, Thor or Captain Marvel. Given both Thor and Marvel have been shown to be able to go toe to toe with Thanos in an even fight if not small advantage without the stones to provide assistance to him.
The comic book it drew inspiration from had Superman die while stopping Doomsday.
There are also physics in play here if it helps. The impact of the spear is based on the weight and speed. By throwing the entire weight of a speeding Superman you add more power and damage to the spear. This is the same reason why ballistas would fire much larger arrows then what would be fired from a bow. And would impact with a lot more force due to the extra weight behind it. Allowing it to easily penetrate armor were arrows would fail to make a dent.
Then you have simple conventional logic. Doomsday could keep up with Superman. This means he could potentially catch the spear before it hits him. Or if it only does a flesh wound he can break and discard the spear removing it from being an option. Were Superman flying at it requires Doomsday to pick either stop the spear or stop superman. And if doomsday stops the spear then you have Superman right there to punch doomsday and take the spear back allowing it to still be in play.
They had a plan. But then people hated it because it wasn't like marvel. So they scrapped it and tried to start over which is were the problems started. Frankly we don't need a dozen origin stories of well known comic book charters. If you don't know who most of these are by now then there is no helping you.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 27, 2020 3:13:25 GMT
This is an admirable effort, but everything here is entirely wrong. The sheer banality of these films from hacks who are inept at actually spinning an engaging story or assembling a cohesive plot just jiggers the imagination. Warner Bros numerous failures has them squarely on my shit list of Wait-For-Cable fare. I get one might have love for these trash ass movies, but little will change what they are: trash ass movies.
I’m loath to get into it further since this is getting terribly off topic.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 27, 2020 13:13:44 GMT
This is an admirable effort, but everything here is entirely wrong. The sheer banality of these films from hacks who are inept at actually spinning an engaging story or assembling a cohesive plot just jiggers the imagination. Warner Bros numerous failures has them squarely on my shit list of Wait-For-Cable fare. I get one might have love for these trash ass movies, but little will change what they are: trash ass movies. I’m loath to get into it further since this is getting terribly off topic. Just saying it is wrong without actually providing reasons doesn't actually help. Not only that but you are repeating the exact same cycle I've encountered hundreds of times online when talking about DC films. Decently in depth reply about it only to be met with "no your wrong they are bad films because they are bad films." My favorite being the constant complaints about the Martha scene only to have Quill do the same fucking thing in Infinity War. Yet when DC does it it is unforgivable, but when Marvel does it 10,000 fan boy/girls scream how it had to take place because it was the only future possibility that Dr. Strange saw. Even though that makes no sense what so ever. Speaking of coherent story how is that time travel plot? Were Steve sits around for 60 years not telling anyone anything. Even though his knowledge could have prevented Thanos and the snap from ever taking place. Because apparently altering the past doesn't actually alter the future.
The Catalyst was right about cycle and repeated behaviors.
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Post by Polka Dot on Feb 27, 2020 13:56:25 GMT
My ultimate hope here is that this serves as a cautionary tale that the cold calculations of dumbass executives should not be too prominent a force when assembling a major property like this. The DCEU is the result of a directionless hodgepodge of mindless bombast with no clear vision beyond simply make fucktons of money. To tie this back to the actual topic, this is something I feel would be the primary motivator for bringing Shepard back. Like, who gives a shit what happened before? Dig that son of a bitch out of his grave and make him dance for the camera because that's what those dumbass players want. What other motivator would EA/BioWare even need. Art? Fuck that. Art is the enemy to be extinguished.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 27, 2020 15:32:47 GMT
This is an admirable effort, but everything here is entirely wrong. The sheer banality of these films from hacks who are inept at actually spinning an engaging story or assembling a cohesive plot just jiggers the imagination. Warner Bros numerous failures has them squarely on my shit list of Wait-For-Cable fare. I get one might have love for these trash ass movies, but little will change what they are: trash ass movies. I’m loath to get into it further since this is getting terribly off topic. Just saying it is wrong without actually providing reasons doesn't actually help. Not only that but you are repeating the exact same cycle I've encountered hundreds of times online when talking about DC films. Decently in depth reply about it only to be met with "no your wrong they are bad films because they are bad films." My favorite being the constant complaints about the Martha scene only to have Quill do the same fucking thing in Infinity War. Yet when DC does it it is unforgivable, but when Marvel does it 10,000 fan boy/girls scream how it had to take place because it was the only future possibility that Dr. Strange saw. Even though that makes no sense what so ever. Speaking of coherent story how is that time travel plot? Were Steve sits around for 60 years not telling anyone anything. Even though his knowledge could have prevented Thanos and the snap from ever taking place. Because apparently altering the past doesn't actually alter the future.
The Catalyst was right about cycle and repeated behaviors.
Hey well if you insist. The problem is character motivation, and the lack of any real development. This is not a DC vs. Marvel issue, because there are plenty of MCU films that I consider mediocre (Black Panther is ludicrously overrated, well into mediocre territory, for example), even if the franchise as a whole is much higher in quality than the DCEU as a whole.
Part of the issue with the Martha scene is that it's kind of unintentionally hilarious in tone. Subjective, sure, but the delivery is kind of awkward, which is why it's so meme-able. But its bigger issue is that Batman's motivation up to this point is just flat out extinguished by this scene, and just another scene later, says that he's a friend of Martha's son? The character doesn't go through an actual arc, despite what other proponents of the movie might insist. He just flat out changes his mind on a dime. This is exacerbated by the fact that he literally murdered maybe a dozen people with the sole purpose of obtaining the means to kill Superman. That's kind of a big commitment, one that he just abandons on a whim, just because of a name that at the moment. The comparison to Quill's outburst in Infinity War is a false equivalence. That scene doesn't serve as a turning point for Quill. He basically does the same thing he did in Vol 2 when he learns how his mother died. It's a cheap way to get the heroes to suddenly lose, but this isn't meant to be a character arc either. Batman's scene, on the other hand, is supposed to be a moment where he realizes what he's done. The reason it doesn't really stick is because of the sheer gravity of what drove him to act against Superman in the first place, which can't simply be undone and unaddressed later. This Martha, whoever she is, doesn't change what Superman is, or what Batman is trying to accomplish.
Oh, on the subject of killing, I think there's a gross misunderstanding of "realism" and how it applies to Batman. This isn't a realistic Batman, because there are no realistic consequences for his wanton mayhem, and he no longer carries any sense of legitimacy that always made Batman a compelling character. Like, this Batman can't exist as an ally to Gordon or anyone else in Gotham, because now he's simply a murderer. This Batman doesn't work because he operates like one in a post-apocalyptic dystopia, which isn't what Gotham is, at least as far as we can see. But besides that, many of the deaths by his hand are entirely unnecessary. The entire scene is simply an indulgence to justify the fact that the Batmobile has weaponry, because Snyder thought it was cool, but what does it accomplish? Superman intervenes, hilariously letting the dangerous kryptonite get away, but Batman just sneaks into Luthor's facility and steals it later!
If he could just tag the truck and track them to their final destination, why bother with the big battle at all? If this Batman was at all clever and had regard for human life, he could've just made the kryptonite disappear with none the wiser. But, this is also the same jerk who brands people like cattle with a bat logo, which adds a weird sadistic turn. Again, because Snyder thought it was cool. I guess mileages vary on what makes a good Batman, but this Batman doesn't really listen to reason and is quick to take a direct, violent approach. Any semblance of cunning just seems entirely lost, because Snyder himself is simply not clever at all, favoring mindless bombast regardless of how well it might serve the narrative, which was a major problem with Man of Steel as well (like the Smallville battle where he actually slams Zod through a factory).
But oh my god, Luthor. What can one say about this massive cunt of a character? He is clearly designed to capture some of the appeal of Ledger's Joker, but for the most part just comes off as hugely obnoxious. But more than that, he never seems to have a personal stake in the fate of either character. Snyder seemed to be going for this chaotic character that was just interested in having the heroes destroy each other, but then it goes to left field and tosses in Doomsday, essentially shoehorning the Death of Superman storyline, which should simply have not been included in this film, I think. Aside from Doomsday looking like a cheaper version of the LOTR cave troll, Luthor's whole reasoning for creating him is just non-existent. Like, there was nothing to suggest he'd even be able to control the thing, so he just created something *worse* than Superman for no good reason. This whole sequence was just a slapped together series of events to get the big CGI monster fight and have the dramatic death that has no dramatic stakes because we know he'll be back (which is similarly undercut in Infinity War too since we know the likes of Spider-Man ain't staying dead).
I think one of the most egregious sins of BvS, however, is that it accelerates franchise building to a degree that feels mandated by clueless executives trying hard to cash in on these properties. It even goes so far as to have the annoying villain carefully curate footage of future Justice League members, complete with nifty logos that he probably made in Adobe Illustrator or something. They don't get to organically develop into the DCEU. It feels like Warner Bros was pushing hard to get this film to catch up to the decade long assembly of what the MCU's become, when they could have taken their time.
Wonder Woman is probably the only DCEU film that I can consider to be truly legitimately good, even if its final act is marred by another terrible CGI monster.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 27, 2020 23:44:44 GMT
To tie this back to the actual topic, this is something I feel would be the primary motivator for bringing Shepard back. Like, who gives a shit what happened before? Dig that son of a bitch out of his grave and make him dance for the camera because that's what those dumbass players want. What other motivator would EA/BioWare even need. Art? Fuck that. Art is the enemy to be extinguished. Can you explain who those dumba** players are, and why you believe they're dumba** players?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Feb 28, 2020 1:03:46 GMT
To tie this back to the actual topic, this is something I feel would be the primary motivator for bringing Shepard back. Like, who gives a shit what happened before? Dig that son of a bitch out of his grave and make him dance for the camera because that's what those dumbass players want. What other motivator would EA/BioWare even need. Art? Fuck that. Art is the enemy to be extinguished. Can you explain who those dumba** players are, and why you believe they're dumba** players? Apparently anyone who doesn't agree with him. I think they should bring back shep but I can understand other peoples opinions for not bringing him back.
As for the stuff about the marvel and DC movies while I like most of them (some more then others) I think that with very very few exceptions they aren't exactly amazing works of art. The avengers may be a fun movie to watch and I have seen it multiple times it has huge plot holes just like most of them do. I don't see the point in arguing about who's is better overall.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 28, 2020 5:01:30 GMT
To tie this back to the actual topic, this is something I feel would be the primary motivator for bringing Shepard back. Like, who gives a shit what happened before? Dig that son of a bitch out of his grave and make him dance for the camera because that's what those dumbass players want. What other motivator would EA/BioWare even need. Art? Fuck that. Art is the enemy to be extinguished. Can you explain who those dumba** players are, and why you believe they're dumba** players? Well, anyone who cares about narrative integrity won't want Shepard back, since we're not going to get that. (I'm assuming canonization is off the table because Bio's promised the opposite too much for too long.)
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 28, 2020 5:13:32 GMT
Which was part of the point of MEA. We can't beat a Reaper threat so we have to change the conditions. Consider, even in the MW, a beaten down galaxy. Threats that might not have been a challenge before are suddenly very dangerous. We don't have to top the last threat. Imagine broken relays (it'll take time to get them up and running again) and the inability to get reinforcements. Not even just that, but decimated forces everywhere. Say some more powerful species - not more than the Reapers - shows up and attacks. Maybe they were already en route using tech to travel we didn't have. They show up, attack, and suddenly we have a major threat on our hands. Topping the last threat is a way to failure. DC and Marvel both do that and I can tell you DC Comics is on the verge of collapse as a print medium. In terms of cinema, this worked for Marvel because it was a slow burn over the course of a decade. Where it goes now that Endgame is over is anyone's guess, but a decade+ of mostly solid efforts and a massively successful resolution is not too shabby. DC's numerous failures can't simply be boiled down to their inability to keep one-upping enemies. Their ineptitude goes a great deal deeper than that, both in comics and in cinema. If it's any consolation, Batman and co. won't just go extinct, but I think a change of ownership is kind of necessary. I actually meant the comics. With the movies it was fine. There wasn't much of a "biggest threat ever" until Thanos. Big threats, sure, but always of relatively limited scope. Thanos, like the Reapers, is one of those that really can't be topped. In the comics, however, we see Major Event 2010, Marjor Event 2011, Major Event 2012 and so on. The threats become meaningless during a perpetual state of crisis. That's why I think MEA had the right idea of avoiding topping the Reapers and setting things up to make the size of the threat less important than the power of the protagonists. The AI was relatively weak due to small size and lack of resources. That meant that a smaller threat made for a major threat.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2020 6:35:38 GMT
To tie this back to the actual topic, this is something I feel would be the primary motivator for bringing Shepard back. Like, who gives a shit what happened before? Dig that son of a bitch out of his grave and make him dance for the camera because that's what those dumbass players want. What other motivator would EA/BioWare even need. Art? Fuck that. Art is the enemy to be extinguished. Can you explain who those dumba** players are, and why you believe they're dumba** players? The point is that EA themselves don’t give two shits about the quality of narratives or any nonsense like that. All that matters is what’s marketable. If Shepard is dug out of the grave for another game, it won’t be because BioWare was inspired by some story potential, but purely as a cheap and easy way to pique fan interest. Only reason something like Fallen Order exists is because they have been walking on steadily thinning ice now that their molestation of the Star Wars IP has been catching up with them, and they want to continue to have their insidious death grip on the property in perpetuity throughout the universe.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 28, 2020 7:16:56 GMT
Can you explain who those dumba** players are, and why you believe they're dumba** players? The point is that EA themselves don’t give two shits about the quality of narratives or any nonsense like that. All that matters is what’s marketable. If Shepard is dug out of the grave for another game, it won’t be because BioWare was inspired by some story potential, but purely as a cheap and easy way to pique fan interest. Only reason something like Fallen Order exists is because they have been walking on steadily thinning ice now that their molestation of the Star Wars IP has been catching up with them, and they want to continue to have their insidious death grip on the property in perpetuity throughout the universe. And just think, they still own the exclusive rights for 3 more years....I bet we don't get another game in that time frame.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 28, 2020 12:32:57 GMT
Can you explain who those dumba** players are, and why you believe they're dumba** players? The point is that EA themselves don’t give two shits about the quality of narratives or any nonsense like that. All that matters is what’s marketable. If Shepard is dug out of the grave for another game, it won’t be because BioWare was inspired by some story potential, but purely as a cheap and easy way to pique fan interest. Doesn't explain why you said what you did.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 28, 2020 12:52:36 GMT
Apparently anyone who doesn't agree with him. I think they should bring back shep but I can understand other peoples opinions for not bringing him back. I don't know why it was said.
I like for Shepard to return. It wouldn't be hard for that to happen. Since it was mentioned that the next DA game won't be released until 2022, it would likely be 2025 or later for the next ME game to be released. I don't see Shepard returning at that point. I like to be wrong. Now I'm rooting for a remaster. I will add that I don't see Ryder returning even if there's another game in Andromeda.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 28, 2020 15:33:41 GMT
Instead of a remake, they should replace Shepard and Co. with the DoomSlayer!
Intro should go like this:
*DS is in Hell and finds Shep impaled on a spike*
DS: What did you do to be impaled on a spike?
Shep: I was a fool and listened to some genocidal AI. Then I jumped into a beam of light, allowing everyone in my universe to be enslaved by said AI.
DS: What a dumbass....
Shep: Hey, if you can do better, take my place and destory the Reapers!
DS: Challenge accepted.
Introduction to the game: In the Shepard Trilogy, the galaxy was trapped in a Cycle of Genocide. But now, those who commit this foul deed will be trapped in the galaxy with HIM.
So.... Rip and Tear, until it is DONE!
QUE THEME MUSIC!:
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2020 16:19:30 GMT
The point is that EA themselves don’t give two shits about the quality of narratives or any nonsense like that. All that matters is what’s marketable. If Shepard is dug out of the grave for another game, it won’t be because BioWare was inspired by some story potential, but purely as a cheap and easy way to pique fan interest. Doesn't explain why you said what you did. It's my admittedly hyperbolic reflection of the publisher. They definitely don't respect the player base, and will pull whatever stupid anti-consumer thing they can if they believe they can get away with it, which they've done in the past. I truly believe that if Shepard returns, it will be due to a mandate that overrides any actual creative inspiration for where to take the series, because we'll just gobble that shit up, and they know it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2020 16:25:49 GMT
Can you explain who those dumba** players are, and why you believe they're dumba** players? Apparently anyone who doesn't agree with him. I think they should bring back shep but I can understand other peoples opinions for not bringing him back. I guess I wasn't being clear here. It's not a matter of my opinion of the people who want Shepard to return, but rather the motivation on the part of the developer/publisher for doing this. The sad irony is that one key complaint people had during the Mass Effect 3 ending debacle was that "Our choices don't matter." BioWare then responded with a big patched epilogue to expand upon each option, but still people complained, because they misread "Extended Cut" as "Alternate Ending". The ironic part is that people now seem to want their choices to matter even less.
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