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Post by smilesja on Feb 24, 2020 20:11:03 GMT
Which was part of the point of MEA. We can't beat a Reaper threat so we have to change the conditions. Consider, even in the MW, a beaten down galaxy. Threats that might not have been a challenge before are suddenly very dangerous. We don't have to top the last threat. Imagine broken relays (it'll take time to get them up and running again) and the inability to get reinforcements. Not even just that, but decimated forces everywhere. Say some more powerful species - not more than the Reapers - shows up and attacks. Maybe they were already en route using tech to travel we didn't have. They show up, attack, and suddenly we have a major threat on our hands. Topping the last threat is a way to failure. DC and Marvel both do that and I can tell you DC Comics is on the verge of collapse as a print medium. In terms of cinema, this worked for Marvel because it was a slow burn over the course of a decade. Where it goes now that Endgame is over is anyone's guess, but a decade+ of mostly solid efforts and a massively successful resolution is not too shabby. DC's numerous failures can't simply be boiled down to their inability to keep one-upping enemies. Their ineptitude goes a great deal deeper than that, both in comics and in cinema. If it's any consolation, Batman and co. won't just go extinct, but I think a change of ownership is kind of necessary. The last thing I want the DC heroes to go is to be with Marvel.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 24, 2020 20:37:12 GMT
In terms of cinema, this worked for Marvel because it was a slow burn over the course of a decade. Where it goes now that Endgame is over is anyone's guess, but a decade+ of mostly solid efforts and a massively successful resolution is not too shabby. DC's numerous failures can't simply be boiled down to their inability to keep one-upping enemies. Their ineptitude goes a great deal deeper than that, both in comics and in cinema. If it's any consolation, Batman and co. won't just go extinct, but I think a change of ownership is kind of necessary. The last thing I want the DC heroes to go is to be with Marvel. At this point, I don't even have any strong feelings one way or the other. DC is currently in the shitter, and there's not a single property of theirs that I find particularly engaging, and all of their DCEU films, save Wonder Woman, were absolute trash (I'd say even Aquaman is garbage. I cannot stand that Jason Mimosa guy).
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Post by smilesja on Feb 24, 2020 20:42:02 GMT
Not Aquaman that movie was great! I tend to be sympathetic to DECU because their fans get harassed a lot.
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Post by revelationeffect on Feb 25, 2020 4:01:57 GMT
DC's movies are a pretty hit or miss at present, although there have been a few good ones, but I will say their small-screen properties are very enjoyable. I've really enjoyed the Harley Quinn cartoon, Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 25, 2020 15:27:26 GMT
Which was part of the point of MEA. We can't beat a Reaper threat so we have to change the conditions. Consider, even in the MW, a beaten down galaxy. Threats that might not have been a challenge before are suddenly very dangerous. We don't have to top the last threat. Imagine broken relays (it'll take time to get them up and running again) and the inability to get reinforcements. Not even just that, but decimated forces everywhere. Say some more powerful species - not more than the Reapers - shows up and attacks. Maybe they were already en route using tech to travel we didn't have. They show up, attack, and suddenly we have a major threat on our hands. Topping the last threat is a way to failure. DC and Marvel both do that and I can tell you DC Comics is on the verge of collapse as a print medium. In terms of cinema, this worked for Marvel because it was a slow burn over the course of a decade. Where it goes now that Endgame is over is anyone's guess, but a decade+ of mostly solid efforts and a massively successful resolution is not too shabby. DC's numerous failures can't simply be boiled down to their inability to keep one-upping enemies. Their ineptitude goes a great deal deeper than that, both in comics and in cinema. If it's any consolation, Batman and co. won't just go extinct, but I think a change of ownership is kind of necessary. New ownership will do nothing especially if the people running it have no idea what they are doing with the properties. That is what damaged the DC movies is that they put Zack Snyder in charge and his direction and vision clashed with movies. Now they have people in charge they are just starting over and have to rebuild what people want to see.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 16:08:17 GMT
A lot of games start low in sales and pick up later, due to quality, critical reception and word of mouth. Dragon Age: Origins, for example, did exactly that. But it makes sense for Origins to have a slow start, mainly because of its genre and the fact that it was a brand new IP. Dragon Age 2 had a strong start, but sales fell of a cliff, starting week 2. Dragon Age: Inquisition enjoyed its best launch, for any Bioware game ever due to a multitude of factors, such as being the first big name RPG in the current console gen cycle, launched with literally no competition and no standard to be compared to. Even so, sales for Inquisition weren't that impressive going forward, because it wasn't a good game. Andromeda, however, enjoyed neither a good launch, which means bad reception pre-release and equal bad reception post release. Obviously, pre-release, the game wasn't even out, so no verdict on its quality could be made. Therefore, something else must have damaged Andromeda's launch, before it released. I can tell you that it most definitely was due to brand damage, but you will disagree, just because nobody came out and said "we damaged our brand". Which is something nobody in their right mind does. At best, you get a statement like " we can't believe we are the bad guys". Yeah. I never said this isn't also true. But you didn't know that, before it opened. I mean, you kinda did, if you believed or had heard of the leaks, but I can't see that many people being in the know. So, at least, 1st weekend box office should be equally high to TLJ, at the very least, higher overall, as the conclusion of the "Skywalker Saga". From there, it would have tanked, because it was a shit movie, as TLJ did, but it would have made about a hundred million dollars more. I am not refuting any of that. I'm just saying, the previous entries, added more damage to that, in a financial aspect, by damaging the brand.
Yes the thing that damaged MEA's launch is less and less people falling for preorder bullshit due to abuse from many games. An abuse that would be fully legitimized by the buggy state that MEA launched in. And particularly the bugs with the chat animations which are a major part of the game. Issues like this are major and spread quickly. thus why players even to this day will ask if Andromeda is still buggy and worth it when buying it for 8 dollars. The same with AC Unity were people will still ask if it is as buggy as they remember it being talked about even though Ubi did fix it. And at least with Unity Ubi turned around and gave the story DLC to players for free as compensation. Granted it was obviously a PR stunt to make themselves look good by pretending to be generous. But at least they did something.
What did BioWare due to compensate?
ME3 had nothing to do with this. The premise of the game was spotty from the first announcement. And I'm someone who enjoyed ME3's ending and I was hesitant to get it on launch because the entire premise of the game sounded stupid. Then at launch I saw all the issues people were complaining about so I didn't buy it and the story wasn't very good. Then I saw how BioWare abandoned the title only a few months after launch and then that branch of BioWare was dissolved by EA. The result being I only finally got the game about 3 months ago or so because it was on sale for like 5 dollars in the PSN store. And $10 is about all that game is worth to me due to the poor pacing, boring story, massive plot conveniences that rival the OT combined and they destroyed the fun of the multiplayer game that ME3 introduced. While still retaining the loot box system.
The fact that the game was released under EA doesn't help given that EA is literally the single most evil video game company. Being directly responsible for the buying and eventual killing off of dozens of game companies after they stick their nose into the game development. Just look at the Sims 4. Literally all DLC costs almost much as the game it self.
Andromeda effected Andromeda nothing more nothing less.
Rise of Skywalkers very specifically showed that Palpatine lived. Which was a red flag for any Star Wars fan. And again this is the age of the internet and social media and nearly everyone has a phone that can connect to it. The shitty writing of it spread quickly. Much in the same way Avatar the Last Air Bender and Dragonball Evolution bombed in theaters because fans saw it and spread the word about how shitty and unfaithful the adaption was. This isn't the 1990's were most people only had word of mouth at best and only a few houses had internet and cared to join the few chat rooms to talk about the movie.
You continue to contest the notion of " brand recognition" and " brand damage". These are established, proven and irrefutable terms. I am sorry you don't see eye to eye.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 26, 2020 16:20:23 GMT
Yes the thing that damaged MEA's launch is less and less people falling for preorder bullshit due to abuse from many games. An abuse that would be fully legitimized by the buggy state that MEA launched in. And particularly the bugs with the chat animations which are a major part of the game. Issues like this are major and spread quickly. thus why players even to this day will ask if Andromeda is still buggy and worth it when buying it for 8 dollars. The same with AC Unity were people will still ask if it is as buggy as they remember it being talked about even though Ubi did fix it. And at least with Unity Ubi turned around and gave the story DLC to players for free as compensation. Granted it was obviously a PR stunt to make themselves look good by pretending to be generous. But at least they did something.
What did BioWare due to compensate?
ME3 had nothing to do with this. The premise of the game was spotty from the first announcement. And I'm someone who enjoyed ME3's ending and I was hesitant to get it on launch because the entire premise of the game sounded stupid. Then at launch I saw all the issues people were complaining about so I didn't buy it and the story wasn't very good. Then I saw how BioWare abandoned the title only a few months after launch and then that branch of BioWare was dissolved by EA. The result being I only finally got the game about 3 months ago or so because it was on sale for like 5 dollars in the PSN store. And $10 is about all that game is worth to me due to the poor pacing, boring story, massive plot conveniences that rival the OT combined and they destroyed the fun of the multiplayer game that ME3 introduced. While still retaining the loot box system.
The fact that the game was released under EA doesn't help given that EA is literally the single most evil video game company. Being directly responsible for the buying and eventual killing off of dozens of game companies after they stick their nose into the game development. Just look at the Sims 4. Literally all DLC costs almost much as the game it self.
Andromeda effected Andromeda nothing more nothing less.
Rise of Skywalkers very specifically showed that Palpatine lived. Which was a red flag for any Star Wars fan. And again this is the age of the internet and social media and nearly everyone has a phone that can connect to it. The shitty writing of it spread quickly. Much in the same way Avatar the Last Air Bender and Dragonball Evolution bombed in theaters because fans saw it and spread the word about how shitty and unfaithful the adaption was. This isn't the 1990's were most people only had word of mouth at best and only a few houses had internet and cared to join the few chat rooms to talk about the movie.
You continue to contest the notion of " brand recognition" and " brand damage". These are established, proven and irrefutable terms. I am sorry you don't see eye to eye. And you still try to blame MEA on ME3 even though there are countless problems with it. Case in point this post about ME2 in a sub reddit I visit https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/f9tv3n/me_replaying_mass_effect_2_again_for_the_first/
This is a post about ME2 and just talking about a fun ME game jumps right into shitting on MEA for being a bad, boring and poorly reviewed game. No complaints about ME3 causing Andromeda to suck or people not liking it because of ME3. The game's own flaws and issues are the only point being talked about.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 26, 2020 16:21:09 GMT
In terms of cinema, this worked for Marvel because it was a slow burn over the course of a decade. Where it goes now that Endgame is over is anyone's guess, but a decade+ of mostly solid efforts and a massively successful resolution is not too shabby. DC's numerous failures can't simply be boiled down to their inability to keep one-upping enemies. Their ineptitude goes a great deal deeper than that, both in comics and in cinema. If it's any consolation, Batman and co. won't just go extinct, but I think a change of ownership is kind of necessary. New ownership will do nothing especially if the people running it have no idea what they are doing with the properties. That is what damaged the DC movies is that they put Zack Snyder in charge and his direction and vision clashed with movies. Now they have people in charge they are just starting over and have to rebuild what people want to see. So exact copies of what Marvel is doing creating even more bland boring and generic super hero movies?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 17:01:42 GMT
And you still try to blame MEA on ME3 even though there are countless problems with it. Case in point this post about ME2 in a sub reddit I visit I never said MEA was good. I never said that people shouldn't complain about MEA. I complain about MEA. I complain about MEA all the time, on multiple levels of its shortcomings. But it merely harmed further an already damaged brand and it would have done better, at least financially, not coming off a title like ME3. People were waiting with baited breath to shit on it, before it even released, exactly because of what ME3 did.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 17:21:02 GMT
2. I heard that they were proud of their team and stood by their work. Could you link where Mac said the ending wasn't very good? LinkIn this article he also explains how Mass Effect: Andromeda was also built up as a standalone title. EA is hardly the most evil company That 5% less evil goes a long way, apparently. I gave them the EC ending. You can find my post in the original BSN somewhere, amidst the controversies. It'd be impossible for me to find it, but if someone can, it's there. On the other hand, you can call me a liar and ignore me because I never thought I'd have to be engaged in a conversation about it, 8 years after the fact, trying to prove I had that conversation int he forums, or that those forums would be shut down now. That's a correlation, but not necessarily a causation. The prequel trilogy was arguably a big black mark on the franchise as well, yet The Force Awakens still pulled in big at the box office But it had all the prerequisites to do so: taken out of GL's creative control, given to JJ Amrbams, who had successfully, commercially at least, rebooted Star Trek, Disney, who had a great track record with the Marvel movies and the return of the OT cast. These are hooks. These are things that pull audiences back in. The Mass Effect equivalent would be to sell ME to Microsoft, take creative control away from Mac and getting Drew at the helm again, maybe Chris Letoile as well and bringing the OT cast again. These are hooks that can bring the fans back, that can make them believe something good is going to come of it. And people will turn a blind eye to the faults of that title and be much more lenient, from a critics' standpoint, as well. It doesn't automatically mean that this title will be good, pretty much in the same way that TFA ultimately isn't, but it would generate a hell of a lot of buzz and good will in the gaming community to get behind such a title. I could just as well argue that The Rise of Skywalker being a sloppily written trash fire assembled by a team that was helmed by an overrated hack would be a bigger contributing factor to its lower returns than whatever harm the previous movie did Well, yes. I never said otherwise. Much like ME3 was the breaking point and ME:A the title that nobody really cared for, TLJ was the breaking point and TRoS was the movie nobody asked for. But both provide a dead end, in moving forward. Not to mean that you can't, but virtually nobody cares. Just as not enough people care about the New Rey-public and Rey's Jedi Academy, not enough people care about Andromeda, the Nexus etc. Financially, it would be a bad call. On the other hand, you could say that the existence of Andromeda wasn't dictated by the fanbase (although it was) and shouldn't be, therefore nor should any sequel to it be tailored to the fanbase's interests. Fair enough. But subverting expectations for the sake of subversion, as I believe TLJ showed us, isn't a grace of its own. Subversion needs to bring with it something to exceed those expectation, or at least match them, but in a different way. Andromeda fell short and with it, our expectations and interest as well. In other words, an uninterested userbase is a disengaged userbase. Because I think we all need to agree that the name Bioware doesn't hold the sway and pizzazz it once did. Same as Blizzard. If the film was genuinely good and cleverly written, it probably would have gained enough traction to come out on top, despite TLJ's massive writing botches. Well, TLJ didn't exactly set up any sequels. As a setting, it didn't do anyone any favours. Trevorrow's leaked script may or may not have been a step up, but much like TRoS, it didn't do anything to fix the fanbase's problems with TLJ and neither did Andromeda. While Trevorrow's script was more imaginative than the Star Wars adaptation of an ALIAS episode, with some Endgame cringe thrown in the mix, I doubt it would have faired that much better in the box office. Would you see it doing better than TFA? I don't. That is brand damage. While Mass Effect is not nearly on the level of Star Wars, I believe it too could withstand the effects of ME3 when handled properly In hindsight, it handled them as well as post-TLJ Disney did. They called fans stupid, entitled, -ists and -phobes. We saw the effect of that tactic. It wasn't good. And now the next one has to deal with the accumulated crap of ME3 and ME:A, not to mention Bioware's other missteps. There is no hook going forward with Andromeda 2, a game they never had a plan on making, in the first place.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 26, 2020 17:46:22 GMT
New ownership will do nothing especially if the people running it have no idea what they are doing with the properties. That is what damaged the DC movies is that they put Zack Snyder in charge and his direction and vision clashed with movies. Now they have people in charge they are just starting over and have to rebuild what people want to see. So exact copies of what Marvel is doing creating even more bland boring and generic super hero movies? That is what they were making before, bland and generic just because they were using the darker colors of the spectrum doesn't mean they were good either.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 18:11:06 GMT
2. I heard that they were proud of their team and stood by their work. Could you link where Mac said the ending wasn't very good? LinkIn this article he also explains how Mass Effect: Andromeda was also built up as a standalone title. "There's definitely a plan to continue Andromeda. We just didn't plan this to be a trilogy -- a three-part story over three games. Specifically, we have built in some of the key and big mysteries in Andromeda that you will discover are not resolved in Andromeda, in this game," he said. "We are already planning how we're going to reveal those and how we're going to deal with them in future installments." Uh.. hmmm.. hate to break it to you...............
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 18:13:02 GMT
Uh.. hmmm.. hate to break it to you............... No plan for a trilogy. And the game got canned. It's dead.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 26, 2020 18:13:37 GMT
And you still try to blame MEA on ME3 even though there are countless problems with it. Case in point this post about ME2 in a sub reddit I visit I never said MEA was good. I never said that people shouldn't complain about MEA. I complain about MEA. I complain about MEA all the time, on multiple levels of its shortcomings. But it merely harmed further an already damaged brand and it would have done better, at least financially, not coming off a title like ME3. People were waiting with baited breath to shit on it, before it even released, exactly because of what ME3 did.
Even Watch Mojo is railing on MEA as being the main reason MEA was under received, sold poorly and was a massive reason why BioWare Montreal was closed down by EA and moved to another team.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 18:16:10 GMT
Uh.. hmmm.. hate to break it to you............... No plan for a trilogy. And the game got canned. It's dead. Except it's clear they are viewing Andromeda as they view Dragon Age: a world they'll play in but not necessarily do direct sequels. And it was put on hiatus with no indication that Andromeda will not be returned to. You are just making wild assumptions and biased takes that don't hold up to any scrutiny at this point.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 26, 2020 18:16:38 GMT
So exact copies of what Marvel is doing creating even more bland boring and generic super hero movies? That is what they were making before, bland and generic just because they were using the darker colors of the spectrum doesn't mean they were good either. Actually it does because Superman questioning his place in the world is far more interesting then mary sue superman saves everyone because he is perfect in every single way.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 18:16:56 GMT
Even Watch Mojo is railing on MEA as being the main reason MEA was under received, sold poorly and was a massive reason why BioWare Montreal was closed down by EA and moved to another team.
I never said ME:A was without fault. But again, brand recognition and brand damage exist, they have happened and do influence reception of new titles. The fact that you vehemently exclude it from having any impact whatsoever is, as Todd Howard would put it, naive.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 26, 2020 18:27:18 GMT
That is what they were making before, bland and generic just because they were using the darker colors of the spectrum doesn't mean they were good either. Actually it does because Superman questioning his place in the world is far more interesting then mary sue superman saves everyone because he is perfect in every single way. Too bad the shitty Snyder version does neither.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 18:28:38 GMT
Except it's clear they are viewing Andromeda as they view Dragon Age: a world they'll play in but not necessarily do direct sequels. So Dragon Age: With Guns. That's not Mass Effect. And it was put on hiatus with no indication that Andromeda will not be returned to It was put " On Ice" and here's some insight as to what " on ice" means Adds Jeff Bock of Exhibitor Relations, "This is definitely the end of the line for the Terminator franchise in its current iteration"Keywords: Current Iteration. It's not coming back. Not as Andromeda, at least. You can find more information about what "on ice" means. You are just making wild assumptions and biased takes that don't hold up to any scrutiny at this point. Man, I could say water is a fluid and I would be considered biased and making wild assumptions.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 18:35:57 GMT
Except it's clear they are viewing Andromeda as they view Dragon Age: a world they'll play in but not necessarily do direct sequels. So Dragon Age: With Guns. That's not Mass Effect. And it was put on hiatus with no indication that Andromeda will not be returned to It was put " On Ice" and here's some insight as to what " on ice" means Adds Jeff Bock of Exhibitor Relations, "This is definitely the end of the line for the Terminator franchise in its current iteration"Keywords: Current Iteration. It's not coming back. Not as Andromeda, at least. You can find more information about what "on ice" means. You are just making wild assumptions and biased takes that don't hold up to any scrutiny at this point. Man, I could say water is a fluid and I would be considered biased and making wild assumptions. What? Making a shared world setting where they don't have to do direct sequels doesn't make it "Dragon Age with guns...". This is the bias I am talking about. You come from a wildly narrow and obsessed view of the trilogy and make completely unsubstantiated claims. If you were saying anything close to "water is a fluid" then you might have a point... but you aren't. You are saying "water is delicious" and then taking offense when someone doesn't agree with a subjective point.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 18:58:34 GMT
What? Making a shared world setting where they don't have to do direct sequels doesn't make it "Dragon Age with guns...". You're right. That sounds more like Anthem. Which, as Bioware themselves put it, sounds like Anthem with Dragons. You come from a wildly narrow and obsessed view of the trilogy and make completely unsubstantiated claims. There is a lot of potential lost when you drop your protagonist, from game to game. Also, their complete disappearance from the narrative raises more questions and when you try to answer them, as Inquisition did, it creates more problems than it settles. On the one hand, it fixes the problem of an ill received protagonist, like in Ryder's case, but it also makes people less invested in the franchise. It put a lot of people off DA2, among many of that game's problems and led to a relatively indifferent reception to Inquisition. And this is just hearsay, but in most communities I engage in, I can kick off a Mass Effect discussion, but I can't find any talk about Dragon Age outside of some very specialized communities, such as this, or the DA subreddits. I consider this intended approach as a detriment and short sighted. If you were saying anything close to "water is a fluid" then you might have a point... but you aren't. You are saying "water is delicious" and then taking offense when someone doesn't agree with a subjective point. It's not subjective. Andromeda wasn't planned in a trilogy form, no sequels for Ryder, game was canned, franchise put on ice. People here are asking for a direct sequel to Andromeda with Ryder which was never the plan to begin with and it further fell apart with Andromeda's reception. Andromeda fans are grasping at straws here. As Casey said, for all interested parties, you'll get closure in related media.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 19:01:18 GMT
What? Making a shared world setting where they don't have to do direct sequels doesn't make it "Dragon Age with guns...". You're right. That sounds more like Anthem. Which, as Bioware themselves put it, sounds like Anthem with Dragons. You come from a wildly narrow and obsessed view of the trilogy and make completely unsubstantiated claims. There is a lot of potential lost when you drop your protagonist, from game to game. Also, their complete disappearance from the narrative raises more questions and when you try to answer them, as Inquisition did, it creates more problems than it settles. On the one hand, it fixes the problem of an ill received protagonist, like in Ryder's case, but it also makes people less invested in the franchise. It put a lot of people off DA2, among many of that game's problems and led to a relatively indifferent reception to Inquisition. And this is just hearsay, but in most communities I engage in, I can kick off a Mass Effect discussion, but I can't find any talk about Dragon Age outside of some very specialized communities, such as this, or the DA subreddits. I consider this intended approach as a detriment and short sighted. If you were saying anything close to "water is a fluid" then you might have a point... but you aren't. You are saying "water is delicious" and then taking offense when someone doesn't agree with a subjective point. It's not subjective. Andromeda wasn't planned in a trilogy form, no sequels for Ryder, game was canned, franchise put on ice. People here are asking for a direct sequel to Andromeda with Ryder which was never the plan to begin with and it further fell apart with Andromeda's reception. Andromeda fans are grasping at straws here. As Casey said, for all interested parties, you'll get closure in related media. Jesus Christ, are you even going to hide it anymore? Nothing you just said is objective fact or even close to a reasonable subjective argument. It's becoming clearer and clearer what your purpose in these topics really is..........
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 19:12:30 GMT
Jesus Christ, are you even going to hide it anymore? Nothing you just said is objective fact or even close to a reasonable subjective argument. It's becoming clearer and clearer what your purpose in these topics really is.......... With the exception of my hearsay, what have I said that isn't objective? Bioware said Anthem with Dragons, Anthem as a shared world, if you're going to argue the potential of carrying over a protagonist, from a literary perspective, I would be inclined to do so, if you wish, but that part should be obvious to anyone who has read an ongoing series of books with a single protagonist. We've already discussed that Andromeda didn't have a "trilogy" in mind, but potential to continue adding to the series, which was canned from the very first game, the game being put on ice because of it and what on ice means in the entertainment business. You may not like my wording, as being too aggressive and you'd be right. But I'm here to make a point, not friends.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 26, 2020 19:19:24 GMT
Jesus Christ, are you even going to hide it anymore? Nothing you just said is objective fact or even close to a reasonable subjective argument. It's becoming clearer and clearer what your purpose in these topics really is.......... With the exception of my hearsay, what have I said that isn't objective? Bioware said Anthem with Dragons, Anthem as a shared world, if you're going to argue the potential of carrying over a protagonist, from a literary perspective, I would be inclined to do so, if you wish, but that part should be obvious to anyone who has read an ongoing series of books with a single protagonist. We've already discussed that Andromeda didn't have a "trilogy" in mind, but potential to continue adding to the series, which was canned from the very first game, the game being put on ice because of it and what on ice means in the entertainment business. You may not like my wording, as being too aggressive and you'd be right. But I'm here to make a point, not friends. Well you're not doing either at this juncture. You are just screaming into the wind. Your point about protagonists has nothing to do with facts, just your preference. And seeing how beloved Dragon Age is and that Inquisition is Bioware's BEST SELLING title..... well, looks like your preference isn't that shared or viewed as important. Amazing what simply being open minded will let you see.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 19:29:34 GMT
Inquisition is Bioware's BEST SELLING title Bioware's best launch. ME3 is still Bioware's best selling title. Your point about protagonists has nothing to do with facts, just your preference Like I said, we could argue the importance of a carry over protagonist and why changing impacts franchise performance. Although it is evident in popular media, such as Batman, Superman, Transformers, X-Men, Captain America, Iron Man, Wonder Woman etc. well, looks like your preference isn't that shared or viewed as important. Amazing what simply being open minded will let you see. I'd argue the opposite. But you do you. To the likes of you, maybe. But you'd say that regardless of what I said. You maintain that Montreal was closed so that EA could have more people working on Battlefront 2 as the only reason for the studio closing down, correct?
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