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Post by ahglock on Jul 30, 2020 18:50:06 GMT
Well I do understand your point. But is it truly self righteous if one organization had red tape(Shepard doesn't count due to his spectre status; and the Council he is only answerable too) and another organization gotten themselves indoctrination. Keep in mind both System Alliance and Cerberus has a lot of baggage to give people pause if not quit. Yes, it is self-righteous to hold yourself above the rules and quit if you simply don't like them. That's exactly what some here are hating Liam for after doing it once and learning from it and yet when Jacob does it continually with no development apparently it's fine. While Liam was a trash character, i never got the hate for what he did. Like before that happens you bring on Angara diplomats to the nexus who communicate daily with them to fix a diplomatic issue with Aya you bring on civilian Angara who again can communicate daily with their families, you brought on Angara onto your crew and fly their, all the exiles know where it is, you have multiple characters communicating with the exiles if for some reason they forgot where the nexus was. It wasn't a secret
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 30, 2020 20:15:07 GMT
Sure it is subjective, like everything you just aid was subjectively wrong. Especially Chucky who was worse than everyone in ME OG. But, objectively we can see how many people liked the new crew. And well it wasn't many. First of all, now the Andromeda crew is my favourite crew in all video gamedom, ever, so how dare you and secondly, who is Chucky again?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 30, 2020 20:20:10 GMT
Sure it is subjective, like everything you just aid was subjectively wrong. Especially Chucky who was worse than everyone in ME OG. But, objectively we can see how many people liked the new crew. And well it wasn't many. First of all, now the Andromeda crew is my favourite crew in all video gamedom, ever and secondly, who is Chucky again? Suvi, being the only read head on the crew.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 30, 2020 20:20:47 GMT
Suvi, being the only read head on the crew. Ah. Well, Spudvi is my favourite.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 30, 2020 20:29:40 GMT
Suvi, being the only read head on the crew. Ah. Well, Spudvi is my favourite. Mine as well. I just like to stay triggered on the inside.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 8:12:11 GMT
How many soldiers did they feed to thresher maws again? That’s not really terrorism, regardless of the ethics, or lack thereof. The biggest problem is that the Council and Alliance do not have an appropriate response to Cerberus’ presence, and the plot makes everyone extraordinarily weak in order to justify forcing us to side with them. A ship emblazoned with the Cerberus logo should have been put on lockdown, and any operatives aboard arrested (and perhaps executed). But, we gotta hang with Cerberus because The Plot is our god. Even Shepard’s involvement should not have given an ounce of legitimacy to the group in the Council or the Alliance’s eyes, considering their involvement in numerous, forcibly-applied shifts in certain high profile figures. Speaking of traitors and terrorists... If Cerberus are terrorists then the Council is for creating the Spectres, who are just terrorists with police badges. Also, if Shepard and those who signed up with Cerberus in ME2 are traitors then so are the Alliance for abandoning humanity when they got that Council seat. So really, just about all the major fractions in ME are traitors and terrorists.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2020 8:28:22 GMT
That’s not really terrorism, regardless of the ethics, or lack thereof. The biggest problem is that the Council and Alliance do not have an appropriate response to Cerberus’ presence, and the plot makes everyone extraordinarily weak in order to justify forcing us to side with them. A ship emblazoned with the Cerberus logo should have been put on lockdown, and any operatives aboard arrested (and perhaps executed). But, we gotta hang with Cerberus because The Plot is our god. Even Shepard’s involvement should not have given an ounce of legitimacy to the group in the Council or the Alliance’s eyes, considering their involvement in numerous, forcibly-applied shifts in certain high profile figures. Speaking of traitors and terrorists... If Cerberus are terrorists then the Council is for creating the Spectres, who are just terrorists with police badges. Also, if Shepard and those who signed up with Cerberus in ME2 are traitors then so are the Alliance for abandoning humanity when they got that Council seat. So really, just about all the major fractions in ME are traitors and terrorists. How did the Alliance abandon humanity? If you mean the colonies being attacked by the Collectors, two things: 1. Those colonies settled in the Terminus Systems specifically to not be part of the Alliance. So the Alliance didn’t betray them because they were not part of them. 2. Even despite that, the Alliance tries helping them numerous times. We see this with colonies such as Horizon in ME2 and Fehl Prime in Paragon Lost. Also at the beginning of ME2 since the Normandy SR1 is investigating missing colonies when it is attacked.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 9:00:42 GMT
Speaking of traitors and terrorists... If Cerberus are terrorists then the Council is for creating the Spectres, who are just terrorists with police badges. Also, if Shepard and those who signed up with Cerberus in ME2 are traitors then so are the Alliance for abandoning humanity when they got that Council seat. So really, just about all the major fractions in ME are traitors and terrorists. How did the Alliance abandon humanity? If you mean the colonies being attacked by the Collectors, two things: 1. Those colonies settled in the Terminus Systems specifically to not be part of the Alliance. So the Alliance didn’t betray them because they were not part of them. 2. Even despite that, the Alliance tries helping them numerous times. We see this with colonies such as Horizon in ME2 and Fehl Prime in Paragon Lost. Also at the beginning of ME2 since the Normandy SR1 is investigating missing colonies when it is attacked. 1. As I said before, the Alliance says that it stands for humanity. And yet they half arse it or they lie so that they could spy on Shepard's actions (which was the point of those defence towers, a ruse. And Vega screwed up big time with that other colony by going after the Collector data). 2. No colonies were being attacked by the Collectors back then, only ships. In fact, the colony attacks happened shortly after. So really, the Alliance seems to have sat on its backside for 2 years and only acted once they got word that Shepard was back.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 31, 2020 12:56:58 GMT
That’s not really terrorism, regardless of the ethics, or lack thereof. The biggest problem is that the Council and Alliance do not have an appropriate response to Cerberus’ presence, and the plot makes everyone extraordinarily weak in order to justify forcing us to side with them. A ship emblazoned with the Cerberus logo should have been put on lockdown, and any operatives aboard arrested (and perhaps executed). But, we gotta hang with Cerberus because The Plot is our god. Even Shepard’s involvement should not have given an ounce of legitimacy to the group in the Council or the Alliance’s eyes, considering their involvement in numerous, forcibly-applied shifts in certain high profile figures. Speaking of traitors and terrorists... If Cerberus are terrorists then the Council is for creating the Spectres, who are just terrorists with police badges. Also, if Shepard and those who signed up with Cerberus in ME2 are traitors then so are the Alliance for abandoning humanity when they got that Council seat. So really, just about all the major fractions in ME are traitors and terrorists. They would’ve happily let Saren blow up whatever he needed to get the job done lol. I like how Delan’s suspicions about the Alliance turned out to be correct.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 13:00:46 GMT
Speaking of traitors and terrorists... If Cerberus are terrorists then the Council is for creating the Spectres, who are just terrorists with police badges. Also, if Shepard and those who signed up with Cerberus in ME2 are traitors then so are the Alliance for abandoning humanity when they got that Council seat. So really, just about all the major fractions in ME are traitors and terrorists. They would’ve happily let Saren blow up whatever he needed to get the job done lol. I like how Delan’s suspicions about the Alliance turned out to be correct. They pretty much did when Anderson was appointed to him as a Spectre candidate. 😉 Also, who's Delan?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 31, 2020 13:03:17 GMT
They would’ve happily let Saren blow up whatever he needed to get the job done lol. I like how Delan’s suspicions about the Alliance turned out to be correct. They pretty much did when Anderson was appointed to him as a Spectre candidate. 😉 Also, who's Delan? Delan was that technician on Horizon that criticized the Alliance for sending them defense turrets that didn’t work properly.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 13:04:43 GMT
They pretty much did when Anderson was appointed to him as a Spectre candidate. 😉 Also, who's Delan? Delan was that technician on Horizon that criticized the Alliance for sending them defense turrets that didn’t work properly. Ah yes, that guy. I forgot his name. 😆
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2020 14:07:07 GMT
Yes, it is self-righteous to hold yourself above the rules and quit if you simply don't like them. That's exactly what some here are hating Liam for after doing it once and learning from it and yet when Jacob does it continually with no development apparently it's fine. While Liam was a trash character, i never got the hate for what he did. Like before that happens you bring on Angara diplomats to the nexus who communicate daily with them to fix a diplomatic issue with Aya you bring on civilian Angara who again can communicate daily with their families, you brought on Angara onto your crew and fly their, all the exiles know where it is, you have multiple characters communicating with the exiles if for some reason they forgot where the nexus was. It wasn't a secret Irrelevant. The fact he went out of his way to pass information without approval is a no-go. Because of that he can no longer be trusted. It doesn't matter if he's hated or not. His actions speak loudly. This isn't surprising since he told Ryder he was suspended x number of times. He's a troublemaker just like he was in the Milky Way. Removing him from the squad will prevent any possible stupid crap he may pull in the future.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2020 14:17:42 GMT
1. Those colonies settled in the Terminus Systems specifically to not be part of the Alliance. So the Alliance didn’t betray them because they were not part of them. They betrayed humanity, the galaxy and Shepard. For two years they made no effort to find a way to deal with the reapers. This is confirmed by Anderson when he told Shepard it's up to him/her to find a way to stop the reapers. And the Alliance failing to make any attempt to locate Shepard's body and search for the remains of the SR1. Ah yes, the cartoon that came out in late 2012. How many watched the cartoon? Were they? Can you provide a link?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 14:26:08 GMT
1. Those colonies settled in the Terminus Systems specifically to not be part of the Alliance. So the Alliance didn’t betray them because they were not part of them. They betrayed humanity, the galaxy and Shepard. For two years they made no effort to find a way to deal with the reapers. This is confirmed by Anderson when he told Shepard it's up to him/her to find a way to stop the reapers. And the Alliance failing to make any attempt to locate Shepard's body and search for the remains of the SR1. Ah yes, the cartoon that came out in late 2012. How many watched the cartoon? Were they? Can you provide a link? I actually wonder how long they waited till they jumped on the Council's bandwagon of "the Reapers are not real! Shepard is a loon!" I bet they didn't wait for the body to get cold.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2020 14:41:40 GMT
They betrayed humanity, the galaxy and Shepard. For two years they made no effort to find a way to deal with the reapers. This is confirmed by Anderson when he told Shepard it's up to him/her to find a way to stop the reapers. And the Alliance failing to make any attempt to locate Shepard's body and search for the remains of the SR1. Ah yes, the cartoon that came out in late 2012. How many watched the cartoon? Were they? Can you provide a link? I actually wonder how long they waited till they jumped on the Council's bandwagon of "the Reapers are not real! Shepard is a loon!" I bet they didn't wait for the body to get cold. It wasn't long. Just ask the ME1 characters. They all went to Thedas to the circle of magi in Fereldon to learn shapeshifting. Once they learned that, they all turned into c**kroaches to scatter themselves all over the galaxy to do things not related to finding a way to stop the reapers.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 14:45:16 GMT
I actually wonder how long they waited till they jumped on the Council's bandwagon of "the Reapers are not real! Shepard is a loon!" I bet they didn't wait for the body to get cold. It wasn't long. Just ask the ME1 characters. They all went to Thedas to the circle of magi in Fereldon to learn shapeshifting. Once they learned that, they all turned into c**kroaches to scatter themselves all over the galaxy to do things not related to finding a way to stop the reapers. Save for the Blue Creeper, she was too busy making out with Shepard's N7 armour. 😆
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Post by Phantom on Jul 31, 2020 14:59:36 GMT
It wasn't long. Just ask the ME1 characters. They all went to Thedas to the circle of magi in Fereldon to learn shapeshifting. Once they learned that, they all turned into c**kroaches to scatter themselves all over the galaxy to do things not related to finding a way to stop the reapers. Save for the Blue Creeper, she was too busy making out with Shepard's N7 armour. 😆 Out of all the Asari, Liara bothers me the most due to her creepy stalker nature. I do understand loyality as a virtue but going overboard like she did I do find very creepy.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 15:14:56 GMT
Save for the Blue Creeper, she was too busy making out with Shepard's N7 armour. 😆 Out of all the Asari, Liara bothers me the most due to her creepy stalker nature. I do understand loyality as a virtue but going overboard like she did I do find very creepy. I never understood why Bio didn't spot it before hand and toned it down. Seriously, by ME3 it was beyond annoying.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 31, 2020 15:35:34 GMT
I actually wonder how long they waited till they jumped on the Council's bandwagon of "the Reapers are not real! Shepard is a loon!" I bet they didn't wait for the body to get cold. It wasn't long. Just ask the ME1 characters. They all went to Thedas to the circle of magi in Fereldon to learn shapeshifting. Once they learned that, they all turned into c**kroaches to scatter themselves all over the galaxy to do things not related to finding a way to stop the reapers. To be fair, if the government itself was essentially taking a staunch position against the threat of the reapers, this handful of randos isn’t going to be particularly effective in doing anything about it. Heck, even Shepard *agrees* to just waste time going on a wild goose chase in the Terminus Systems to hunt down geth. Like, who the fuck cares about them? Shepard does, apparently. The leftovers of the SR-1 wouldn’t have any advanced ships of their own or a proper crew they could go on missions with. They’d just be civilians taking charter flights to wherever or military personnel assigned to some other place. Donnelly spoke out against the claims about Shepard, and he had no effect at all. The best part though is that Cerberus had a team that was in close proximity to an actual reaper all along, and told no one about it, and kept much of their mad science to themselves. Heck, they could have bankrolled a speedier recovery of the Alliance, perhaps putting them into a better position to actually help Shepard, but they didn’t. They just sat on their billions and screwed about with secret experiments.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2020 15:51:27 GMT
How did the Alliance abandon humanity? If you mean the colonies being attacked by the Collectors, two things: 1. Those colonies settled in the Terminus Systems specifically to not be part of the Alliance. So the Alliance didn’t betray them because they were not part of them. 2. Even despite that, the Alliance tries helping them numerous times. We see this with colonies such as Horizon in ME2 and Fehl Prime in Paragon Lost. Also at the beginning of ME2 since the Normandy SR1 is investigating missing colonies when it is attacked. 1. As I said before, the Alliance says that it stands for humanity. And yet they half arse it or they lie so that they could spy on Shepard's actions (which was the point of those defence towers, a ruse. And Vega screwed up big time with that other colony by going after the Collector data). 2. No colonies were being attacked by the Collectors back then, only ships. In fact, the colony attacks happened shortly after. So really, the Alliance seems to have sat on its backside for 2 years and only acted once they got word that Shepard was back. And it does. Again, those colonies wanted nothing to do with the Alliance. If a group of people wanted nothing to with say the United States and then get into trouble, the United States is not obligated to help them and them not isn't them betraying those people. Also a mission can have more than one objective.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 16:02:38 GMT
1. As I said before, the Alliance says that it stands for humanity. And yet they half arse it or they lie so that they could spy on Shepard's actions (which was the point of those defence towers, a ruse. And Vega screwed up big time with that other colony by going after the Collector data). 2. No colonies were being attacked by the Collectors back then, only ships. In fact, the colony attacks happened shortly after. So really, the Alliance seems to have sat on its backside for 2 years and only acted once they got word that Shepard was back. And it does. Again, those colonies wanted nothing to do with the Alliance. If a group of people wanted nothing to with say the United States and then get into trouble, the United States is not obligated to help them and them not isn't them betraying those people. Also a mission can have more than one objective. So they allow millions to die, just because they walked away from them? How petty is that? No wonder they walked away from the Alliance.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2020 16:14:10 GMT
Save for the Blue Creeper, she was too busy making out with Shepard's N7 armour. 😆 Out of all the Asari, Liara bothers me the most due to her creepy stalker nature. I do understand loyality as a virtue but going overboard like she did I do find very creepy. That's one of the reasons to remake the trilogy. Have Shepard survive the beginning of ME2 so that there will no broker dlc with all that crap with the t'soni asari.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2020 16:15:05 GMT
And it does. Again, those colonies wanted nothing to do with the Alliance. If a group of people wanted nothing to with say the United States and then get into trouble, the United States is not obligated to help them and them not isn't them betraying those people. Also a mission can have more than one objective. So they allow millions to die, just because they walked away from them? How petty is that? No wonder they walked away from the Alliance. There are plenty of other reasons as well, made abundantly clear throughout the games, too. Things such as the Alliance needing to fill in the blanks of the Citadel Space’s fleets after the attack in ME1, the Terminus Systems ready to declare war if Council forced enter their territory which would kill even more, and so on. No, petty is the Horizon colonists being ungrateful snots about being saved after learning Shepard saved them.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2020 16:15:46 GMT
Out of all the Asari, Liara bothers me the most due to her creepy stalker nature. I do understand loyality as a virtue but going overboard like she did I do find very creepy. That's one of the reasons to remake the trilogy. Have Shepard survive the beginning of ME2 so that there will no broker dlc with all that crap with the t'soni asari. I can get behind that.
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