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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 20, 2020 9:42:59 GMT
aww, no option for two new characters? (kinda like I hoped would've happened in ME:Andromeda, if they'd let the sibling awaken earlier) I think it might be fun to play two protagonists who're siblings or what not kinda like in Divinity Original Sin where you make two protagonists if you play alone
anyway, voting for new character only...it's how it's been for the past three games, can't really see them changing it now but wouldn't mind being surprised either way
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 21, 2020 14:31:14 GMT
The Inquisitor will not be returning, at least not as the Player Character.
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Post by Artemis on Apr 22, 2020 22:35:46 GMT
New character, didn't care for my inquisitor; his romance options sucked.
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Post by Vall on Apr 23, 2020 2:20:28 GMT
I have an intense dislike for the idea of multiple player characters. I don't care if the protagonist is new or old, but if I could make the decision, there would only be one, because being able to be multiple people changes being immersed in a world into being conscious of playing a video game.
I would still probably play it if there were two, but I'm not a fan.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2020 3:48:16 GMT
New protagonist.
Clean slate and all. Plus, it's simpler to write and minimizes Voice Acting resources.
Remember Bio's motto when considering additional options: 1. How much additional time will this take? 2. How many resources will this take? 3. What will this cost? 4. Is it good for Bioware?
Recent games from Bio (DA:I, ME:A and Anthem), show this studio dropping deep story and char development for FB eye candy. Single protagonist is my safe bet for the initial launch.
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Post by ClarkKent on Apr 23, 2020 10:22:53 GMT
Bringing the Inqui makes most sense for the story.
You also don't have to waste resources making a new character.
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Post by Vall on Apr 23, 2020 10:54:53 GMT
You also don't have to waste resources making a new character. This makes practically no sense, there is no difference in the cost of having a new character be the PC, or the Inquisitor. Character creation still has to be made, models animated, and cutscenes voice acted, there is no difference whether the voice actor is the same or different, and whether the character tag is Inquisitor or Tevinter schmuck #5.
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Post by ClarkKent on Apr 23, 2020 11:19:07 GMT
You also don't have to waste resources making a new character. This makes practically no sense, there is no difference in the cost of having a new character be the PC, or the Inquisitor. Character creation still has to be made, models animated, and cutscenes voice acted, there is no difference whether the voice actor is the same or different, and whether the character tag is Inquisitor or Tevinter schmuck #5. Sorry I wasn't being entirely serious. I should have made that more clearer. But there are some practical reasons for why the Inqui should return. Namely, it's makes more sense for the Inquisitor to be asking about regular Tevinter customs out of ignorance than a Tevinter PC. You also don't have to waste so much time with the 'wait who are you' questions when characters like Morrigan appear. As far as I know all the companions in DAI survived so you've also got some ready made companions that the Inquisitior can bring with him as well. Cutting down time on making new characters with new motivations.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2020 14:24:16 GMT
Bringing the Inqui makes most sense for the story The Protagonist will be a new character, a member of a Tevinter spy group. It will not be the Inquisitor being initiated into the Tevinter spy group. It will be online co-op like Anthem, old characters will return in the hub/base as lore and quest givers. Old LIs will not be romancable. Still, the game is 4 years away, maybe more now, thanks to Corona-chan. Plenty of time to reboot it a third time, into something else.
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Post by ClarkKent on Apr 23, 2020 15:36:42 GMT
Bringing the Inqui makes most sense for the story The Protagonist will be a new character, a member of a Tevinter spy group. It will not be the Inquisitor being initiated into the Tevinter spy group. It will be online co-op like Anthem, old characters will return in the hub/base as lore and quest givers. Old LIs will not be romancable. Still, the game is 4 years away, maybe more now, thanks to Corona-chan. Plenty of time to reboot it a third time, into something else. All still speculation and rumours at this point. That may be happening but we know virtually nothing concrete. We can still speculate.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2020 15:42:15 GMT
All still speculation and rumours at this point. That may be happening but we know virtually nothing concrete. We can still speculate. True. As I said myself, the project is struggling to hit a 2024 release and there's no guarantee there won't be another reboot. For now, though ...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 23, 2020 16:37:52 GMT
Bringing the Inqui makes most sense for the story The Protagonist will be a new character, a member of a Tevinter spy group. It will not be the Inquisitor being initiated into the Tevinter spy group. It will be online co-op like Anthem, old characters will return in the hub/base as lore and quest givers. Old LIs will not be romancable. Still, the game is 4 years away, maybe more now, thanks to Corona-chan. Plenty of time to reboot it a third time, into something else. Let me guess: Your secret source? Despite some of these things already being shot down by Bioware themselves (like the coop thing since they said ME and DA games will remain how they were and not be like Anthem).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2020 16:44:15 GMT
Let me guess: Your secret source? Despite some of these things already being shot down by Bioware themselves (like the coop thing since they said ME and DA games will remain how they were and not be like Anthem). That's not what I heard. And, also, aren't you tired of seeing me be right all the time?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 23, 2020 16:46:06 GMT
Let me guess: Your secret source? Despite some of these things already being shot down by Bioware themselves (like the coop thing since they said ME and DA games will remain how they were and not be like Anthem). That's not what I heard. And, also, aren't you tired of seeing me be right all the time? You have to actually start being right for me to get tired of it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2020 17:14:28 GMT
You have to actually start being right for me to get tired of it. You're right. I was never right. About anything. I had actually broken the news right here of the Anthem 2.0, 3 days before Jason Schreier, I also broke the news that Anthem 2.0 is going to miss the new console launch window and, well, not to take all the credit, since Corona-chan helped everyone see it and that DA4 is going for a 2024 release with Anthem, potentially, barely making it to the butt end of 2021. Now, all these can change. Breakthroughs in development can happen and everything may release faster than anticipated. I'm also hearing Andromeda 2, but with no Ryder. And again, everything can change, there is a lot of things happening and Corona-chan has surely shaken up a lot of things in the business. Especially with the entirety of Canada in lockdown and apparently Gaming Development suspended indefinitely, across all studios, not just in Canada. To put it plainly; gaming is temporarily "canceled". All development is at a halt and nobody knows what the industry will look like, once operations resume, let alone a game 4 years away from release. Even so, DA4 will get another full round of development, i.e. 4 years, if that happens. Unless EA cancels it and closes Bioware down, but that is an extreme scenario that nobody believes, I give it a 0.000001% chance of happening.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 23, 2020 17:24:33 GMT
You have to actually start being right for me to get tired of it. You're right. I was never right. About anything. I had actually broken the news right here of the Anthem 2.0, 3 days before Jason Schreier, I also broke the news that Anthem 2.0 is going to miss the new console launch window and, well, not to take all the credit, since Corona-chan helped everyone see it and that DA4 is going for a 2024 release with Anthem, potentially, barely making it to the butt end of 2021. Now, all these can change. Breakthroughs in development can happen and everything may release faster than anticipated. I'm also hearing Andromeda 2, but with no Ryder. And again, everything can change, there is a lot of things happening and Corona-chan has surely shaken up a lot of things in the business. Especially with the entirety of Canada in lockdown and apparently Gaming Development suspended indefinitely, across all studios, not just in Canada. To put it plainly; gaming is temporarily "canceled". All development is at a halt and nobody knows what the industry will look like, once operations resume, let alone a game 4 years away from release. Even so, DA4 will get another full round of development, i.e. 4 years, if that happens. Unless EA cancels it and closes Bioware down, but that is an extreme scenario that nobody believes, I give it a 0.000001% chance of happening. Except we have many tweets from multiple companies talking about how they're still working, just from home. So seems you're wrong again.
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Post by jackdawyt on Apr 23, 2020 17:26:00 GMT
You have to actually start being right for me to get tired of it. You're right. I was never right. About anything. I had actually broken the news right here of the Anthem 2.0, 3 days before Jason Schreier, I also broke the news that Anthem 2.0 is going to miss the new console launch window and, well, not to take all the credit, since Corona-chan helped everyone see it and that DA4 is going for a 2024 release with Anthem, potentially, barely making it to the butt end of 2021. Now, all these can change. Breakthroughs in development can happen and everything may release faster than anticipated. I'm also hearing Andromeda 2, but with no Ryder. And again, everything can change, there is a lot of things happening and Corona-chan has surely shaken up a lot of things in the business. Especially with the entirety of Canada in lockdown and apparently Gaming Development suspended indefinitely, across all studios, not just in Canada. To put it plainly; gaming is temporarily "canceled". All development is at a halt and nobody knows what the industry will look like, once operations resume, let alone a game 4 years away from release. Even so, DA4 will get another full round of development, i.e. 4 years, if that happens. Unless EA cancels it and closes Bioware down, but that is an extreme scenario that nobody believes, I give it a 0.000001% chance of happening. So please, tell me why we should take your word for it? That you know Dragon Age 4 is 'going to have a third reboot' and 'it's like Anthem' As someone who covers Dragon Age 4 news adamantly, I'd very much like to know.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2020 17:43:57 GMT
Except we have many tweets from multiple companies talking about how they're still working, just from home. So seems you're wrong again. Work from home, I am not sure you are aware of, does significantly hamper progress on certain projects, because everyone is less accessible. Development continues, but much more slower and we've got, yet again, confirmation from Schreier that it in fact is delayed. This will delay projects, it is unavoidable and irrefutable. So please, tell me why we should take your word for it? That you know Dragon Age 4 is 'going to have a third reboot' and 'it's like Anthem' I'm not saying that Dragon Age 4 "will" have a third reboot. I don't think you paid enough attention to what I wrote. I said, there's plenty of time ahead and that COVID-19 will have an impact on the game's development, once production resumes. There is a chance the game will change form, yet again, once that happens. It will depend on when that happens and how the industry is hanging, by then. To be able to tell you that "DA4 is going to have a third reboot, 100% confirmed" I will need to know how long the lockdown takes, how much revenue is lost in the meantime, because of it, what EA's restructuring plans will be from that and I need the Giant Spaghetti monster that is feeding me info to still be employed. Which it may not and that is a very possible scenario. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs because of this and many already have.
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Post by jackdawyt on Apr 23, 2020 17:51:44 GMT
Except we have many tweets from multiple companies talking about how they're still working, just from home. So seems you're wrong again. Work from home, I am not sure you are aware of, does significantly hamper progress on certain projects, because everyone is less accessible. Development continues, but much more slower and we've got, yet again, confirmation from Schreier that it in fact is delayed. This will delay projects, it is unavoidable and irrefutable. So please, tell me why we should take your word for it? That you know Dragon Age 4 is 'going to have a third reboot' and 'it's like Anthem' I'm not saying that Dragon Age 4 "will" have a third reboot. I don't think you paid enough attention to what I wrote. I said, there's plenty of time ahead and that COVID-19 will have an impact on the game's development, once production resumes. There is a chance the game will change form, yet again, once that happens. It will depend on when that happens and how the industry is hanging, by then. To be able to tell you that "DA4 is going to have a third reboot, 100% confirmed" I will need to know how long the lockdown takes, how much revenue is lost in the meantime, because of it, what EA's restructuring plans will be from that and I need the Giant Spaghetti monster that is feeding me info to still be employed. Which it may not and that is a very possible scenario. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs because of this and many already have. BioWare are working from home though, as Mark Darrah stated: “(It’s) working away… We have shifted to work from home. Wrapping up a milestone right now and starting planning on the next.” Mark continued: "I would say we are slower overall. Depends on your home situation and the specific work you." That sounds like the project isn't suffering as much as you say it is even with COVID. It's slower, but that's it. in fact, EA has had a positive reception to letting the dev's work from home. Not to mention Casey Hudson's tweet on everything at BW right now: “Just wrapped up a BioWare All-Hands meeting. Over 300 people on a video conference. Reviewed truly incredible work done by all of our teams - much of it done over the last month of work-from-home. So proud to work with these amazing people!” I don't think it's in as much peril as you say. And, regarding your "Spaghetti Monster" source, well, I can't speak to that... I have no reason to take your word for it either.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2020 17:58:25 GMT
BioWare are working from home though, as Mark Darrah stated: “(It’s) working away… We have shifted to work from home. Wrapping up a milestone right now and starting planning on the next.” That is not indicative of progress or lack of delays. Mark continued: "I would say we are slower overall. Depends on your home situation and the specific work you." Well, there you have it. That sounds like the project isn't suffering as much as you say it is even with COVID. It's slower, but that's it. in fact, EA has had a positive reception to letting the dev's work from home. Still not indicative of there not being delays. Not to mention Casey Hudson's tweet on everything at BW right now: “Just wrapped up a BioWare All-Hands meeting. Over 300 people on a video conference. Reviewed truly incredible work done by all of our teams - much of it done over the last month of work-from-home. So proud to work with these amazing people!” Still nothing indicative of there not being delays. I don't think it's in as much peril as you say. And, regarding your "Spaghetti Monster" source, well, I can't speak to that... I have no reason to take your word for it either. You can disregard the entire economy failing, the effect this has on jobs and, as I said, work from home is definitely something that the video game industry can do, it is definitely slower, as Mark Darrah already confirmed for you, as well. This is happening across the board for all companies. Development is delayed and games are delayed indefinitely. None of the things you said contradict anything of the things I said and if anything, Mark Darrah seems to reinforce my point. And you can disbelieve my Spaghetti Monster, but it's been consistently right for about a year now.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 23, 2020 18:05:44 GMT
This is happening across the board for all companies. Development is delayed and games are delayed indefinitely. Your making a leap when you say development being slower and a delay being probable means the game is delayed indefinitely.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2020 18:22:38 GMT
Your making a leap when you say development being slower and a delay being probable means the game is delayed indefinitely. It's not just probable. It's happening. Everything will have to be rescheduled, even if not due to the delays, first and foremost to adapt to the new release schedule games will have and while digital releases are a thing and have grown a lot over the past couple of years, retail remains strong, regardless of what some people may believe, although this will sway a lot of digital sales. Everything will have to be shifted down, due to lockdown related reasons. If you don't believe this is happening, go to your local cinema today, to watch a movie. Go to your local game store to buy a game. Go to your local comic book store to buy a comic book. Even if its open, traffic is down, revenue is down, many people are out of jobs, or have reduced income compared to before and less of it is disposable, businesses have closed and money is generally moving a whole lot more slowly. Also, Canada is prime for COVID spread, due to climate and while businesses will soon start opening again, they will do so in a controlled way, meaning money will be exchanged but a lot less than it used to and Bioware will continue working remotely for the foreseeable future. And if you still can't see why there would be delays, in addition to Jason Schreier already having reported it, too, then I don't know what else will convince you.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 23, 2020 19:28:27 GMT
Lumping unlike things together. A game development studio is not like a movie theater or even a physical game store. Office workers like the devs will probably start returning to work within the next two to three months. Getting voice performers and mo-cap done will take longer, but those are later development tasks so may not be impacted at all by this. A few months of delay in development should translate to a few months of delay in the game’s release, if even, given that development has slowed not stopped. An industry that has been migrating to digital sales with increasing rapidity is in a good position to weather this storm in the short term, especially with a lot of bored people at home with credit cards.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2020 19:35:01 GMT
"... especially with a lot of bored people at home with credit cards.".[/div]
And no jobs..... sadly
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 23, 2020 19:48:06 GMT
"... especially with a lot of bored people at home with credit cards." And no jobs..... sadly That is a real issue, but it means we have two competing forces as far as at home entertainment purchases go. The people who have lost their jobs and are suffering versus those working from home or well off enough that they can still make luxury purchases despite being out of work at least temporarily. I don’t really know what factor outweighs the other but I still doubt larger studios like EA are going to be in much danger.
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