Tevinter Nights - Spoiler Thread

It is probably a bit of both. It does seem strange that only the Mortalitasi hold this view about the exchange of spirits upon death. Cole seemed very unhappy about the way Necromancers use spirits, even if they are "only" wisps. Now I can understand that if the Mortalitasi had made contact with a spirit before the death of the person, then they could have obtained the permission in advance but otherwise it seems that "invited" might be a convenient way of describing it.

Also, if the spirit of a dead person always displaces a spirit in the Fade, why are there not even more spirits floating around the areas where a large number of deaths have taken place? Even when there is only a solitary, peaceful death, does a spirit get pushed out as one goes in? So why has no one else observed this but the Mortalitasi?

Is the Fade really like a jug that can only hold so much liquid? I think it is more likely that the spirit passing through from the dead person temporarily weakens the Veil in that place and so an inquisitive spirit might be able to pass in the opposite direction simultaneously. However, the bodies the Mortalitasi use are surely in the Necropolis, whilst the dead person could be somewhere else, so that explanation doesn't fit the facts.

I don’t think they have full control either. Given how they were talking about the ancient enchantments and architecture, plus the fact there are apparently deeper levels that the mourn watch seems to consider mysterious which makes no sense if Nevarrans built the place, wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the grand necropolis is actually some remnant of Falon’Din’s territory.

Edit: the Mourn Watch does seem pretty cool. Mortalitasi are clearly a mixed bag of nuts tho.

One thing that Inquisition taught me is that everything that we know is now how it seems. In regards to the Mortalitasi, some might truly believe that they are "inviting" spirits to live inside a corpse and it might have started that way, but in reality they are forcing them especially those in the upper echelons.

Even if some are willing then surely some of them might want to return back into the Fade now that they've experienced the world much like DAO Lady of the Forest? It also explains why Cole disapproves of the Inquisition disapproval of a necromancer Inquisitor.

I love that the arrogant mortalitasi lady in the last story assumes there are no mages in the group because "no staves". And is proven oh so wrong.

Also the mage in Three Trees is casting magic without a staff. Maybe mages will get an unarmed option. Or different weapon sets at least.

Hollix was so charming! Hollix is a 'they'  

There are probably Mortalitasi who ask the spirits/wisp if they want to come and others who force them in, but the Guardsman turned Librarian and Manfred reminded me of the free spirits we meet in DAI and its DLCs...and the Grand Necropolis felt like its own ecosystem.

And the old Elves clearly did something similar: beckoning spirits to come hang out with them and do things, like the Librarian spirit in Trespasser. They might not have put them in corpses, but if the spirits didn't know how to "take body" maybe they actually did. Would explain Dirthamen's temple.

And you know, most of the time Solas comes off as "we did it first, tus better, and you shouldn't even try because we are superior to you". In fact, I'm kinda hoping that Solas shows up at the Grand Necropolis thinking himself a savior just for the Mortalitasi greeting him and telling him that "you can ask them if they want to leave" and Solas leaving without a single new friend spirits.

I'm surprised Cole doesn't complains about all mages, the Necromancer isn't the only one using spirits and I don't think that you have the time in battle to ask for permissions...

Their writer uses they  They is more respectful than "he/she"

I was just happy to have my boy Cabot make an appearance. And bees. Oh man, I was laughing. Thank you, Lukas.

Just because they hadn't been attacking mainland Tevinter for the previous 30 years didn't mean the army was doing nothing. After all there was the on-going war on Seheron. Also it had specifically been Stenishok's idea that they should concentrate on intelligence gathering and covert operations to undermine the enemy from within rather than full frontal assault after their last disastrous attempt to take Ventus/Qarinus in 9:12, when he was just a junior officer and not even a Sten, which was why they had operatives like Iron Bull and Tallis in the south.

Which makes me wonder if it was a rogue division of the Antaam that rushed ahead and attacked Ventus, not the entire "Body" of the Qun, or, if it was the latter, whether Sten had been replaced as Arishok, not because of anything he did but because Tevinter agents had been successful in assassinating him. That being the case, it might be understandable that his successor wanted to press ahead with reprisals against mainland Tevinter whilst the other two branches of the Triumvirate still wanted to stick to Sten's strategy even if he was no longer there to implement it.

It certainly seemed odd that they had imminent plans to invade Rivain. That would break the Llommeryn Accord that the leadership have been at such pains to preserve during the last two games because of the strategic value to them in doing so. At the end of Trespasser, if you had worked with the Qun, they were even suggesting to Divine Victoria that the South aid the Qun's efforts against Tevinter. Even if she didn't agree, so long as the South didn't come in on the side of Tevinter then they would be isolated against the might of the Qun. Surely even a rogue Arishok would see the value in this? So something very odd must be happening in the Antaam if that was genuinely their intent.

Love these so much! Callback is the first short story I read and I love it so much. Got spoiled so I knew Sutherland’s crew in it but I was pleased to see more Inky’s Skyhold gang. Here are some best amusing moments in it.

“It’s Regret,” said Voth. “It finds your doubts, feeds on them. Gets stronger.”

“Finds you? Like darkspawn?” said Rat, regretting mocking the creature earlier. The demon roared in the tavern.

“That!” said Voth, pointing. “Don’t do that!”

Rat cringed and tried to think of baked bread.



Sutherland looked across Skyhold. Regret roared. It would wear them down, pick them off. He had to show them they could win.

“Right,” he said. “It heals fast, but it can be hurt. I need to hit it hard. Do you trust me?” He looked at all his friends in turn. “Do you all trust me?”

They looked back, confused, as if to say, Why waste time asking, of course we do. All except Rat. She saluted.