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Post by smilesja on Apr 16, 2020 22:51:53 GMT
I do wonder what constitutes as a "real" person in a narrative.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 21, 2020 19:55:39 GMT
I don't hate MEA, but the characters felt really off. Addison, Liam, Gil, Suvi, Cora, Jaal... at no point did I feel like they were real people. Their behavior made me so uncomfortable that I wish I could mod them out of the game and I've never felt that way about any other game ever, it's that unsettling lol. I'm not sure I'd use the term real people as people as pathetic as the MEA cast exist. But they were almost all unlikable and incompetent. not liking any of the characters except Drak was a common refrain from profession reviewers and the reviewing audience.
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Post by Gludipow on May 13, 2020 5:52:40 GMT
Sorry, I know this thread is a few months old but I wanted to throw my hat into the ring and hope this hasn't been beaten to death already.
Q. I was thinking of playing through again in about 6 months, but I'd love to hear people's opinions on when to play through the series again please?[/i]
As everyone else has said, this is different for everyone. Personally, I play the game over and over looking for details that could hint at a larger picture in the world. Like the burn scars on the floors in the Remnant vaults. Could be just burn scars from killing vault intruders but it could also be from the battle between the Jardaan and whatever left the scourge to stop them. So I tend to play a game over and over until I burn out. Wait for a few months, then decide I am in the mood to play it again. As I sit in quarantine sick with CoVid as I write this, I'm on my second playthrough in a row and enjoying it immensely. My last Ryder was Asian and gorgeous as hell. My new Ryder I made look as much like me as possible. My next one will probably be darker skinned. Just because it's a slightly different experience each time. I may eventually play Scott Ryder but I'm enjoying playing Sara for now. How you wanna play it, and how you wanna justify playing it right away or waiting a while is entirely up to you.
Q. Why do people hate Mass Effect Andromeda so much?[/i]
To be completely honest, as I have said in other threads, the deck was kind of stacked against Andromeda from the beginning. You had people demanding a product on par with the high expectations a new Mass Effect title would bring. Female characters were not as attractive as some dudebros demanded, which didn't help matters. Then there were game review youtubers speculating that the female character appearances and lack of straight male Ryder romances compared to female being less than runway model worthy was proof Bioware was peddling a political agenda. This then snowballed once Andromeda dropped and everyone was screaming all over the web about how bad Andromeda was. Granted, the game was glitchy, in many cases hilariously so... but the game had a LOT of potential. That potential was just ignored because it didn't immediately deliver as people expected it to. It still does show great promise. But all of the bullshit negative reviews spewed by game review youtube accounts and reviewers like Kotaku (may their HQ facility burn to the ground) pushed people away from buying it and trying it for themselves. The lack of sales caused Bioware to put the title and any possible upcoming DLC, on ice. It was only later that it came to be known that Andromeda had some development setbacks which caused the issues we experienced at release. Between direction changes in storyline and changes in directors, Bioware staff only had a solid 18 months development time on Andromeda without setbacks or distractions. Take that into consideration and Andromeda is not nearly as bad as a lot of people claim.
Q. Do we know what they're planning do with the new installment; are they going to continue with the Andromeda Initiative, or will they be going back to the drawing board and taking a completely new direction? [/i]
At this point we don't know Jack beyond that a new Mass Effect title is in the works. Personally, I hope beyond hope that it is a new Andromeda title. It would be a waste not to continue Andromeda after all the time and effort that went into it, and part of me still hopes they will drop at least one Andromeda DLC in the future, as unlikely as that is. Even if just to whet our appetites for the next installment like Trespasser did.
Q. What are people's recommendations for action/adventure games that will give me a suitable fix please?[/i]
Well, if you haven't yet, Dragon Age is a good game to try. It's another Bioware game title series, and definitely worth a playthrough or two. Otherwise, Outerworld and Borderlands are some good ones. Fallout 4 is alright, too. Horizon Zero Dawn if you got a PS4. Sea of Thieves is pretty fun too, but has a more social aspect to it.
Hope this helped.
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Post by Gludipow on May 13, 2020 6:04:02 GMT
I don't hate MEA, but the characters felt really off. Addison, Liam, Gil, Suvi, Cora, Jaal... at no point did I feel like they were real people. Their behavior made me so uncomfortable that I wish I could mod them out of the game and I've never felt that way about any other game ever, it's that unsettling lol. I'm not sure I'd use the term real people as people as pathetic as the MEA cast exist. But they were almost all unlikable and incompetent. not liking any of the characters except Drak was a common refrain from profession reviewers and the reviewing audience. Those must be personal opinions because as I play through the game for the fifth time overall as I write this, I love the cast. Do I love them as much as the Normandy crew? Not entirely, but tbh I feel like it has more to do with the pacing of the relationship building being off compared to the ME trilogy. But that probably has to do with the lack of time during development. Interactions probably changed as the direction of the story kept changing. High expectations and comparing the game to the original trilogy caused problems. I fully believe that with the implementation of DLCs, there would have been more fleshed out social interactions and the characters would have felt more 3D compared to how they are in the base game. But complaints and bad reviews killed any shot at that. I will say I wish there had been more options to respond to Suvi with when she brought up her faith instead of just an "I agree" or "I disagree" option, being that religion is a more complicated topic than that, but I sum that up again to a lack of time.
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Post by ahglock on May 13, 2020 7:00:26 GMT
I'm not sure I'd use the term real people as people as pathetic as the MEA cast exist. But they were almost all unlikable and incompetent. not liking any of the characters except Drak was a common refrain from profession reviewers and the reviewing audience. Those must be personal opinions because as I play through the game for the fifth time overall as I write this, I love the cast. Do I love them as much as the Normandy crew? Not entirely, but tbh I feel like it has more to do with the pacing of the relationship building being off compared to the ME trilogy. But that probably has to do with the lack of time during development. Interactions probably changed as the direction of the story kept changing. High expectations and comparing the game to the original trilogy caused problems. I fully believe that with the implementation of DLCs, there would have been more fleshed out social interactions and the characters would have felt more 3D compared to how they are in the base game. But complaints and bad reviews killed any shot at that. I will say I wish there had been more options to respond to Suvi with when she brought up her faith instead of just an "I agree" or "I disagree" option, being that religion is a more complicated topic than that, but I sum that up again to a lack of time. Some people like sprouts, some don't. The thing is if you are making a game to sell you hope the people who like your product are the majority. And yes, while whether you like a character or not is a personal opinion, it was a very common one not to like the Andromeda characters.
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Post by Gludipow on May 13, 2020 7:24:49 GMT
Those must be personal opinions because as I play through the game for the fifth time overall as I write this, I love the cast. Do I love them as much as the Normandy crew? Not entirely, but tbh I feel like it has more to do with the pacing of the relationship building being off compared to the ME trilogy. But that probably has to do with the lack of time during development. Interactions probably changed as the direction of the story kept changing. High expectations and comparing the game to the original trilogy caused problems. I fully believe that with the implementation of DLCs, there would have been more fleshed out social interactions and the characters would have felt more 3D compared to how they are in the base game. But complaints and bad reviews killed any shot at that. I will say I wish there had been more options to respond to Suvi with when she brought up her faith instead of just an "I agree" or "I disagree" option, being that religion is a more complicated topic than that, but I sum that up again to a lack of time. Some people like sprouts, some don't. The thing is if you are making a game to sell you hope the people who like your product are the majority. And yes, while whether you like a character or not is a personal opinion, it was a very common one not to like the Andromeda characters. Not as common as you make it seem, I think, since we don't have any accurate numbers to start with and I personally have never before heard anyone complain that they absolutely hated the characters. Found them a little shallow? Sure, but that was always followed up with "a DLC could improve that problem" or "they can expand on the characters better in MEA2". Never "erase the characters and never have them set in front of me again".
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Post by zan on May 14, 2020 0:45:37 GMT
Few reasons for MEA hate that hasn't really been discussed:
It was supposed to be a continuation of ME saga and thus had very high expectations placed on it. What was initially released was exceptionally raw. Before all the patches the game was just bad. Coupled with unreasonable expectations and large number of trigger happy MET players who either hated ME or expected MEA to fix everything, it was a recipe for disaster. So, to summarize: very bad first impressions.
The other thing is that it came out almost full year after Blood and Wine expansion for Witcher 3. At this point players had pretty high expectations for the amount of polish and gameplay. Part of the problem is attempt to spice up MMOesque gameplay of pre-expansion DAI - empty spaces with fetch quests. All my attempts for a second playthrough stalled at Kadara. It became boring and repeatative. And the thought of moving up to Elaaden (which quite frankly felt unfinished), made any desire to power through it vanish.
With that said, I can't say MEA is a bad game. It just under-performed expectations by too much to be liked by general public. As others have pointed out, Kett were just not exciting for enemy. I think my entire view of the game can be summarized by "I am Pathfinder: rah bah bah". Unfortunately that includes my view of the villain as well as the Initiative. I think the character I liked the most was Reyes, partly because not many other characters attempted to show and intelligence or planning ability.
Oh, and my first impression of the game is Hyperion, arriving into Andromeda. With audible engine noise observed by external "observer" and (I think) Doppler effect as it passes by. I know, its one of the most common things to do in sci-fi movies, but it doesn't make it any less irksome.
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Post by Dazzle on May 16, 2020 6:02:50 GMT
Sunblinding your players in the name of realism because they dared look at the map is not fun BioWare. I don’t want to be punished with a white screen for 5 seconds and get a headache because I want to make sure I’m going in the right direction. Ugh.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 15, 2020 15:58:32 GMT
I really like how we made a thread about why people dislike Andromeda, only to have people come in here and say it wasn't bad, therefore entirely missing the point of the thread, so now there's a thread about why people liked Andromeda and it's basically a repeat of the same things posted in this thread. I find it amusing.
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Post by ergates on Jun 18, 2020 17:58:12 GMT
Pleasantly surprised.
I was fully expecting at least some people to respond to the question of why they hated the game with "ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS, FACE IS TIRED FACE IS TIRED, ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS"
But it seems as though people on these boards are smarter than the average internet shmuck.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 18, 2020 20:41:17 GMT
Pleasantly surprised. I was fully expecting at least some people to respond to the question of why they hated the game with " ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS, FACE IS TIRED FACE IS TIRED, ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS"But it seems as though people on these boards are smarter than the average internet shmuck. I don't think that saying Andromeda did nothing wrong and that people didn't give it a fair chance is correct, when Aaryn Flynn, if I recall it was Aaryn Flynn, was on an interview with Eurogamer and said that Andromeda was "deeply flawed". I think that people who don't accept that Andromeda was "deeply flawed" as Aaryn said, are doing a disservice to themselves, first and foremost.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2020 21:07:50 GMT
Pleasantly surprised. I was fully expecting at least some people to respond to the question of why they hated the game with " ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS, FACE IS TIRED FACE IS TIRED, ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS ANIMATIONS"But it seems as though people on these boards are smarter than the average internet shmuck. I don't think that saying Andromeda did nothing wrong and that people didn't give it a fair chance is correct, when Aaryn Flynn, if I recall it was Aaryn Flynn, was on an interview with Eurogamer and said that Andromeda was "deeply flawed". I think that people who don't accept that Andromeda was "deeply flawed" as Aaryn said, are doing a disservice to themselves, first and foremost. As if we should listen to you, one who doesn't even finish or research the games before bashing them.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 18, 2020 21:20:29 GMT
I don't think that saying Andromeda did nothing wrong and that people didn't give it a fair chance is correct, when Aaryn Flynn, if I recall it was Aaryn Flynn, was on an interview with Eurogamer and said that Andromeda was "deeply flawed". I think that people who don't accept that Andromeda was "deeply flawed" as Aaryn said, are doing a disservice to themselves, first and foremost. As if we should listen to you, one who doesn't even finish or research the games before bashing them. Interesting you bring that up. A poster, who was a fan of MEA, told me that if I don't like a character, just to ignore that character throughout the playthrough, pretending that character was never recruited. If I go by that line of thinking, would I be in the right saying how pathetic the character is even though I ignored that character as mush as the game allowed?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2020 21:26:14 GMT
As if we should listen to you, one who doesn't even finish or research the games before bashing them. Interesting you bring that up. A poster, who was a fan of MEA, told me that if I don't like a character, just to ignore that character throughout the playthrough, pretending that character was never recruited. If I go by that line of thinking, would I be in the right saying how pathetic the character is even though I ignored that character as mush as the game allowed? You actually played/researched the game so yes, you could comment on that. I don't remember saying that though, or at least not like that. Which character was it? PeeBee or Liam I'm guessing?
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Post by themikefest on Jun 18, 2020 21:37:01 GMT
Interesting you bring that up. A poster, who was a fan of MEA, told me that if I don't like a character, just to ignore that character throughout the playthrough, pretending that character was never recruited. If I go by that line of thinking, would I be in the right saying how pathetic the character is even though I ignored that character as mush as the game allowed? You actually played/researched the game so yes, you could comment on that. I don't remember saying that though, or at least not like that. Which character was it? PeeBee or Liam I'm guessing? I never said YOU, otherwise I would have. Yes, I did play the game, but if I took that advice for my first playthrough, would I be in the right for saying the character I chose to ignore was crap?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2020 21:40:31 GMT
You actually played/researched the game so yes, you could comment on that. I don't remember saying that though, or at least not like that. Which character was it? PeeBee or Liam I'm guessing? I never said YOU, otherwise I would have. Yes, I did play the game, but if I took that advice for my first playthrough, would I be in the right for saying the character I chose to ignore was crap? Ah, okay. It just read like you were saying it was me. My apologies for the misunderstanding. You'd have more of a position to make that argument than someone who hasn't played or researched the game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 18, 2020 23:22:11 GMT
As if we should listen to you, one who doesn't even finish or research the games before bashing them. " Aaryn Flynn is wrong and I know better" - Hanako IkezawaSounds like what you said, there. Ignore me, is Aary Flynn wrong?
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 8, 2023 0:11:21 GMT
I don't hate MEA, but the characters felt really off. Addison, Liam, Gil, Suvi, Cora, Jaal... at no point did I feel like they were real people. Their behavior made me so uncomfortable that I wish I could mod them out of the game and I've never felt that way about any other game ever, it's that unsettling lol. Damn. That bad?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2024 18:22:08 GMT
I could never dislike the game that features Cora Harper and Sara Ryder, and such satisfying combat. Honestly it's one of the most fun games I've played in a long time. Then again I love all things ME, with or without Shepard and Miranda
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