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Post by fillshertease on Mar 6, 2020 11:58:07 GMT
Hi All,
For various reasons I only just recently started playing the Mass Effect games. I played through 1, 2 and 3 and I thoroughly enjoyed them, but I wasn't planning to play Andromeda because I had heard that it was terrible. However I was desperate when I got to the end of the trilogy, and I found a pre-owned copy of Andromeda for only $10 at my local game store, so I figured I might as well take it for a test toast. Well ... to my complete surprise it was a truly magnificent game! Sure, there are a few little glitches in it that stopped it short of being perfect, but overall it was one of the best games I've ever played. In fact the quadrilogy over all is so good that I can't quite decide whether or not it actually knocks Zelda from it's Number 1 Game Series Pedistal. Probably not, given how many awesome games there are in that series, and how many innovations it introduced that have become standard gameplay mechanics, but the fact that there's even a question about it in my mind really does say something.
I don't often replay games, but I fully intend to play through the Mass Effect games again, just because I can see that starting with a very different character, and making some different choices along the way, could completely change various outcomes in the overall story. The way decisions I made had ramifications across games really blew me away, and that aspect might be the thing that knoecks Zelda off it's perch. I don't want to do it straight away (well ... I kind of do!), because I only just finished and much of it will be too fresh, but I don't want to wait too long either, so that I can remember what I did at those really big choice moments. So...
Q. I was thinking of playing through again in about 6 months, but I'd love to hear people's opinions on when to play through the series again please?
Anyway ... I'll try to stop rambling (sorry!) and get to my question. I know Andromeda had some technical issues when it came out, but I can't see how they could have been so bad that - even now - there's still clearly a lot of HATE towards the game. To me that is potentially a big problem because I thought the game was fantastic, and while I was playing it I could see how the next game would be even more brilliant if they continued to expand in the same direction; which they clearly planned to do, given that the Kett are still out there and there were so many questions left unanswered. So, in the hope that it isn't things that will stand in the way of them continuing to develop and expand Andromeda in the same direction they obviously planned, I'm interested to know...
Q. Why do people hate Mass Effect Andromeda so much?
I really hope that whatever it is that people dislike(d), it isn't going to mean the end of Andromeda and a completely new direction for Mass Effect over all. To that end, I've heard that a 5th game is now in the pipeline, so my question is...
Q. Do we know what they're planning do with the new installment; are they going to continue with the Andromeda Initiative, or will they be going back to the drawing board and taking a completely new direction?
Finally, I guess only other Mass Effect fans - even if they didn't like Andromeda - can understand the hollow feeling I currently have. Now that I have finished the quadrilogy - which has taken me a couple of months - I have the unenviable task of finding another game to play. That can be a difficult thing to do under the best of circumstances - in fact ... I only tried Mass Effect because it was free with Game Pass, and I couldn't find a game that measured up after I bought a Switch and played through Breath Of The Wild again - but after Breath Of The Wild, followed by the Mass Effect Quadrilogy, I think I have a taste of what it's like for a heroin addict to go cold turkey! So...
Q. What are people's recommendations for action/adventure games that will give me a suitable fix please?
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Thanks and ... ciao for now!
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Post by regack on Mar 6, 2020 14:55:44 GMT
There are a number of things to unpack here, but I'm actually surprised it's been 2 hours and nobody has responded ... it must be the weekend approaching. Q. I was thinking of playing through again in about 6 months, but I'd love to hear people's opinions on when to play through the series again please? When to play through again, hmm. Obviously everyone will be different, some might say "right away" and others will totally agree with your 6-month timeline. I have been inconsistent, doing both things. I think it depends on what you're going for when you play again. If you're just going to play it, and essentially make the same choices again (because maybe that comes naturally) then I'd give it some time. I think it depends on if you want to try to forget details and experience them almost-new again, or if you remember every detail, but just want to step into the world again. For me, I start to lose the details, but remember the overall picture, and while the first two trips through the MET were essentially the same play-through (since I just naturally seem to gravitate to the same kinds of choices) I found the most fun in spending some time to plan my next adventure. I make a list of most of the choices along the way, and the order in which to do them. I write that out in a sort of outline and follow it, to make sure I stick to the plan in order to experience things differently each subsequent time. I've found the thing that makes the biggest difference for me on each playthrough, is which squadmates are alive or not . I highly recommend saving everyone... and then play through again, and uhh... don't save any of them. Really changes the feel of the game quite a lot. Q. Why do people hate Mass Effect Andromeda so much?
This is a big one. I don't know if I can actually answer this convincingly, but the biggest problem is how much hate is just... Internet VitriolTM. There were a lot of flaws, but it was still a good game. Honestly, I think if it was a different IP, and wasn't saddled with carrying on the Mass Effect name, it would have been received quite differently. For me, ME:A wasn't focused enough. I liked it, I had fun, and played it a couple of times, with different characters and made 3 different scenarios to play out, but each time I get to the end, it just... leaves me feeling a bit incomplete. I know I'd feel a lot different, if I knew there was more to come after the end, but for now, that's not the case. As much as the end of ME3 is/was so highly controversial, it feels over once the credits roll at the end. As imperfect as those games were as well, it does feel like I have some closure. ME:A really needs another game to help me reach that conclusion. But that's just me. Q. Do we know what they're planning do with the new installment; are they going to continue with the Andromeda Initiative, or will they be going back to the drawing board and taking a completely new direction?
I can't really answer this myself, and to be honest, I haven't really followed it much since I don't like spoilery things, but there certainly is a lot of speculation happening over in the Future Mass Effect section. I think I have a taste of what it's like for a heroin addict to go cold turkey! So... Q. What are people's recommendations for action/adventure games that will give me a suitable fix please?haha, I wish I had a good answer for this, there will undoubtedly be recommendations, but I haven't found anything that scratches the itch the same way the MET does.
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Q1: I think this answer is different for everyone. I go with my gut... when I get an itch to play something, I play it. I often have several part playthroughs on the go simultaneously so that I can compare how I feel the roleplay is working for me (or sometime not working for me). I do recommend doing a NG* playthrough at some point. In the case of ME1, if you follow the achievements as far as getting all the companion ones and power-related ones, you'll wind up doing 3-4 playthroughs utilizing different classes and companions... so, while you're at it, might as well go with a different gender and utilized the different backgrounds as well.
Q2: I loved it, so it's really not for me to say what people have hated on it so much.
Q3: There's lots of debate going on. We'll just have to wait to see what they do. I'd like them to continue on with ME:A2.
Q4: Action/Adventure? Red Dead Redemption 2 and Fallout 4 are the two main ones I'm currently playing and loving a lot. Ghost of a Tale is a charming little stealth action game that I'm really enjoying. The Long Dark is a great survival sandbox... and the Wintermute story mode is good as well (although they only have 3 of the planned 5 episodes completed right now, so expect the story to be left hanging and given their previous rate of release, it could be quite awhile before we see Episodes 4 & 5.
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Post by fillshertease on Mar 6, 2020 17:18:00 GMT
There are a number of things to unpack here, but I'm actually surprised it's been 2 hours and nobody has responded ... it must be the weekend approaching. Q. I was thinking of playing through again in about 6 months, but I'd love to hear people's opinions on when to play through the series again please? When to play through again, hmm. Obviously everyone will be different, some might say "right away" and others will totally agree with your 6-month timeline. I have been inconsistent, doing both things. I think it depends on what you're going for when you play again. If you're just going to play it, and essentially make the same choices again (because maybe that comes naturally) then I'd give it some time. I think it depends on if you want to try to forget details and experience them almost-new again, or if you remember every detail, but just want to step into the world again. For me, I start to lose the details, but remember the overall picture, and while the first two trips through the MET were essentially the same play-through (since I just naturally seem to gravitate to the same kinds of choices) I found the most fun in spending some time to plan my next adventure. I make a list of most of the choices along the way, and the order in which to do them. I write that out in a sort of outline and follow it, to make sure I stick to the plan in order to experience things differently each subsequent time. I've found the thing that makes the biggest difference for me on each playthrough, is which squadmates are alive or not . I highly recommend saving everyone... and then play through again, and uhh... don't save any of them. Really changes the feel of the game quite a lot. Q. Why do people hate Mass Effect Andromeda so much?
This is a big one. I don't know if I can actually answer this convincingly, but the biggest problem is how much hate is just... Internet VitriolTM. There were a lot of flaws, but it was still a good game. Honestly, I think if it was a different IP, and wasn't saddled with carrying on the Mass Effect name, it would have been received quite differently. For me, ME:A wasn't focused enough. I liked it, I had fun, and played it a couple of times, with different characters and made 3 different scenarios to play out, but each time I get to the end, it just... leaves me feeling a bit incomplete. I know I'd feel a lot different, if I knew there was more to come after the end, but for now, that's not the case. As much as the end of ME3 is/was so highly controversial, it feels over once the credits roll at the end. As imperfect as those games were as well, it does feel like I have some closure. ME:A really needs another game to help me reach that conclusion. But that's just me. Q. Do we know what they're planning do with the new installment; are they going to continue with the Andromeda Initiative, or will they be going back to the drawing board and taking a completely new direction?
I can't really answer this myself, and to be honest, I haven't really followed it much since I don't like spoilery things, but there certainly is a lot of speculation happening over in the Future Mass Effect section. I think I have a taste of what it's like for a heroin addict to go cold turkey! So... Q. What are people's recommendations for action/adventure games that will give me a suitable fix please?haha, I wish I had a good answer for this, there will undoubtedly be recommendations, but I haven't found anything that scratches the itch the same way the MET does. This is a wonderful reply thank you! Regarding the next playthrough, you have earily pinpointed the reasons for my question. One of the things I absoltely LOVED about the games was the way decisions I made had far reaching ramifications which changed outcomes, even across games. I AM the sort of person who gravitates to the same ways of doing things, and that's a big part of my decision about when to play it again. I want to see what happens if I choose differently, in some cases because I made a mistake; say by hitting one of the triggers, because I had put the controller down beside me while going through the conversation, then panicjking because ... oh crap ... it's one of those times when I can hit a trigger, then ... oh crap ... I hit the trigger but it all happened so quickly that I didn't actually want to do that after all! :-P Then there were those decisions like allowing the Illusive Man to study that half-built human Reaper, and now wanting to know what happens if I don't allow him to, and wondering how different the third game is if I choose differently. A bit like now trying to decide if I should read your spoilers, which I really want to do because you reply is interesting and I want to read it all, but also don't want to because I have only had one play through and I want to find out how different things are when I make different choices by doing it, not by finding out in a spoiler. You know? ;-) I want to wait long enough that I'm not bored by having to trudge around exploring and mining while things are still fresh in my mind, but not long enough that I forget the choices I made, and end up with the same play through because I gravitate to the same choices again. First World Problems eh??? Making a list is an EXCELLENT idea and you've given me the perfect solution thank you. While it's fresh in my mind, tomorrow (I'm in Australia where it is currently 3:30am) I will write out a list of the choices I made - especially the ones I later decided I would like to make differently to see the alternate outcome - then I will wait until I get to the point where I have forgotten enough of the details that I can start again, at which point I won't get bored but I also won't have the same play through. Thanks HEAPS for that!
Moving on, your description of the endings of both are spot on. The end of Andromeda does kind of just ... peter out ... and is a bit meh. Furthermore, I remember getting near the end of ME3, and knowing the end was coming, and thinking it would be about 30 minutes - like when you have your final battle with Ganon, or whatever - but it was truly EPIC and it went on for hours. It was brilliant! Which also made the end of Andromeda a bit disapointing because I said yes to the mission that was going to end the game, expected another EPIC, hours long finally, but was so powerful by that point that I got through it all very quickly without even remotely looking like I would run my shields down and start losing health, let alone die... Having said all of that though, I am a bit of an oldie who started playing D&D in the 80's, at the point when they had only just started introducing the AD&D books. It also means that the first adventure video games I played were completely text based, and Kings Quest was consequently mind-blowing when it came along! The point being that graphic problems and glitches in the game really don't bother me - I've also worked as an engineer in the computer industry for more than 30 years, so bugs are more interesting to me than being put offs - and I wonder whether younger gamers who have never played with a character who is made up of 24 pixels, and have to wait for the screen to redraw every time you 'walk' to the edge, are less patient with those kinds of flaws? This is in no way whatsoever meant to be a criticism. I'm not some oldie sighing and saying "the youth of today". Quite the contrary actually! If everyone was like me then developers would keep getting away with putting out crap and it's a good thing if young people are more demanding and that is driving the huge leaps forward that games have been taking. I also think it's very interesting that you mention Internet Vitriol, because that thought crossed my mind too. I don't know if you mean the same thing, but I have been very interested in the way things these days - especailly movies - can be completely destroyed by the Internet. A great example of this, to me, is what has happened with the new Star Wars trilogy. Some bright spark called Rey a Mary Sue, and next thing every kid on the block was complaining that Star Wars was ruined. Of course, Anakin Skywalker ACCIDENTALY blew up the Trade Federation ship, when he was a kid, and Luke Skywalker destroyed the Death Star, after evading Darth Vader - who was right on his tail - first time out in an X-Wing, 10 minutes after he first heard about the force. My point being that Anakin and Luke are two of the biggest Marty Stu characters in film history, and pretty much all the criticisms about the new movies can be directed - ten fold - at the George Lucas movies, but it became sort of trendy to hate the new movies and look like you knew something about film because you bandied the term Mary Sue around. I don't know if that makes sense, and I apologise if you're a person who doesn't like the new Star Wars movies and think Rey is a Mary Sue, but my point is that I couldn't help thinking that it became trendy to dislike Andromeda and then it just sort of became a fact that no one really questions any more. Look ... everyone is different and I'm not trying to criticise anyone. I didn't like Red Dead Redemption 2, because I've never been a fan of westerns and I got so sick of that endlessly riding aroung on that bloody horse. However I love Star Trek - which the Mass Effect series borrowed from VERY heavily - and I LOVE science fiction in general, and I LOVE incredible detail, which Andromeda had no shortage of, and I'm not bothered by little glitches, so I'm not surprised that I loved the game and genuinely just want to hear from others what they didn't like, if only to prove that I'm wrong about it just being tredny to dislike it. I think we are quite similar in some ways, because I really don't want to know too much about the new game either. I don't like watching movie trailers or reading reviews because I find that expectation often ruins things for me, and so having no expectation is best. In fact, further to the above I suspect that one of the reasons I enjoyed Andromeda so much was that I was expecting it to be terrible, based on the little I had heard. For many hours I was expecting to start getting bored and dislike the game, but then at some stage I realised I was thoroughly enjoying what, to me, was an epic role playing, action, adventure, strategy game with a really interesting story, that had epic detail, and which continued to fascinate me as it slowly unfolded, and left me wanting to know more about who built all that Remnant technology, and why, and who were the Kett really, etc., but being worried that the hate of the game meant that I am never going to find out. So, yeah, I don't actually want to know details, I just want to know whether they are going to continue with the Andromeda Initiative or wipe the slate clean. Ultimately I just hope that they come up with something that pleases us all and gets the whole thing back on track so that more games keep coming. I would guess that if the next one fails then that will be it, so let's cross our fingers together that whatever they do it is enjoyed by all? Asking other people about games is a bit silly I suppose. As I said, I really didn't like Red Dead Redemption 2, even though it's one of the most highly rated games. I've heard that The Witcher 3 is very good, but I'm not really in the mood for fantasy after all that science fiction, so I started having a go at the Arkham Assylum game, and a few hours in I am enjoying it more than I thought I would, because it is just running aroung fighting - which is what I thought it was going to be - and while it certainly isn't Mass Effect, it might stop me from shaking so badly and mumbling to myself as I rock backwards and forwards, the way I have been since I spoke to Peebee - my blue, alien, lesbian girlfriend - and then quit for the time being... :-(
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 6, 2020 17:28:29 GMT
For me I think the 2 biggest reasons why people disliked Andromeda are 1 they compare it too much with the trilogy story which is on a totally different level compared with most games let alone Andromeda .The other reason being when it first released it was to be fair in a very glitchy state meaning ther were a lot of bugs and a lot of the time even I couldn't get it running fo rmoer than 5 mimnutes without it crashing. I like deAndromeda and I too coul dsee a pertty d4ecent game through al lthe bugs and thankfully the wors tof them have been patched now so in the condition it's in now it's a very playable game but just wasn't on it's initial release. I knew Biowaer would get round to fixing those issueas eventually so decided t o wait an dsee how things performed after they had a fwe patches in whic hI was glad about as I really d oenjoy the game now For m eI always treated Andromeda as th e start of a brand nwe story given where we're playing with differnt characters and even in a different galaxy. Like upup says in his post I want Andromeda t ocontinue as well but all of this is up to Bioware not us.
As for replaying the games everyones different I've done back to back runs of the series before bu tthen I've also had breaks between runs to play Dragon Age and other things as well. In fact recently finished a run of the trilogy again myself though I decided to hold off on playing Andromeda again for the moment as I'm currently in the mood for playing some of my sports game sso I've been playimng tgames like FIFA and NFS (Need for Speed) the past few days.
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Post by regack on Mar 6, 2020 17:35:26 GMT
I don't know if that makes sense, and I apologise if you're a person who doesn't like the new Star Wars movies and think Rey is a Mary Sue, but my point is that I couldn't help thinking that it became trendy to dislike Andromeda and then it just sort of became a fact that no one really questions any more. Oh my there's a whole thread/debate about Star Wars in the movies area... to be honest I stay out of it.. I have my thoughts and opinions, but I don't feel the need to convince anyone else to change their mind, or complain about what I like or don't like. I did want to say though, my spoilers were not story spoilers, I just didn't want the images to take up too much space. The first one is an example of what my script/plan looks like, and the second is a screenshot from my Mass Effect 2 playthrough where the crew didn't survive.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 6, 2020 18:43:58 GMT
Personal Answer: besides it being a broken mess when it came out (even more so then Mercs 2), the story was dull as fuck, the squad mates feelt like carbon copies of the ME1 squad mates (save for Jaarl) and the Nomad was kinda pointless.
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Post by fillshertease on Mar 6, 2020 20:37:40 GMT
As for replaying the games everyones different I've done back to back runs of the series before bu tthen I've also had breaks between runs to play Dragon Age and other things as well. In fact recently finished a run of the trilogy again myself though I decided to hold off on playing Andromeda again for the moment as I'm currently in the mood for playing some of my sports game sso I've been playimng tgames like FIFA and NFS (Need for Speed) the past few days. Thanks for your reply.Actually ... a couple of times - such as when I first fought an Architect and it killed me, because I wasn't strong enough yet - the game hung, and by the time I realised it had hung, and then restarted it, and resumed, it was a considerable period of time and consequently a real pain. It only happened to me a few times, because I quickly realised I wasn't going to beat him (her???) at that point, after I finally 'broke' one of it's legs, then had my loud celebration cut short as I realised I then had to chase him and do it all again to kill him. So I can see that if the game was constantly crashing, then ... yes ... I could understand how it would be a VERY different experience.
*SPLEESH!*
There I was, killing Kett by the dozen, thinking I ruled, when suddenly this giant behemoth rises up through the ground and kicks the living crap out of me! It was a humbling experience...
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Anyway, I watched a YouTube video in which a guy recently decided to go back and play through Andromeda to see if it was really as bad as people remembered, and I could see during the video that even though he appeared to genuinely be trying to re-evaluate it, he was clearly still looking at it through vomit coloured glasses and I don't think he would have been able to enjoy it no matter how much they'd fixed it. That's partly why I decided to ask the question here instead, to get some varied opinions...
Are you saying that you thought the story in the first trilogy was much better than the Andromeda story?
Personally I LOVED the story, and I especially loved the detail - it was like reading an awesome, 1000 page science fiction novel - and also the way it was told, slowly unfolding as you spoke with 'people', read terminals, and explored, not to mention the incredible plot twists along the way. I love mystery type movies and stories where you're wondering what on earth is going on, and it slowly unfolds, then has an ending that you didn's see coming, all of which Mass Effect had. Having said that, being an oldie and having read a lot of science fiction, I found that the story was not at all original. Pretty much every aspect of it, until the ending - including plot points, characters, and alien races - were all borrowed from other series. I didn't mind, because in fact I thought, early on, that the writers clearly loved the same books, movies, and TV shows as me - Star Trek being the series they borrowed most heavily from - and I quite enjoyed remembering a lot of the classics from Clarke, Asimov, and others, as I played through the game.
So I also loved Andromeda because I thought the story was actually much more original than the first three games.
Now ... a younger person might not be aware of the older stories, movies, and TV shows that the first trilogy borrowed from. Please don't take this the wrong way, because it is not a criticism of either Bioware, the original trilogy, or younger gamers. Quite the opposite! What I'm driving at is you might be a younger gamer and you might turn around and tell me that Andromeda is completely unoriginal and copies a bunch of books, movies, video games, and TV series that I haven't read, played. or seen because I'm an oldie. All I'm trying to say is that it's interesting that different people will think differently about the stories, perhaps dependent on their own personal tastes and what other media they have consumed?
So I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on that.
As for playing again, thanks to what you and others have said, I am going to make a list of the choices I want to make differently next time, then wait about 6 months so that I won't get bored in ME1 as I have to drive around looking for resources. Oh, dear, the planet mining in ME2 was just horrible. Luckily I bought one of those Microsoft Elite controllers and was able to set up a profile that enabled me to mine those planets a lot more easily.
But I digress!
Q. Lastly, although I had bought a pre-owned copy of Andromeda for $10, when I was half way through there was a bundle which included Andromeda, with a whole swag of DLC's, and Dragon Age Inquisition with all of it's DLC's too, for only $20. Obviously you're a fan of Dragon Age? I definitely want to play it, but I'm not in the mood for fantasy right now after such an awesome science fiction hit, but can you tell me, should I play all the Dragon Age games from Origins onwards, or should I start with 2, or should I go straight to Inquisition? Your advice about this would be much appreciated, as was your reply thank you...#
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Q1: I think this answer is different for everyone. I go with my gut... when I get an itch to play something, I play it. I often have several part playthroughs on the go simultaneously so that I can compare how I feel the roleplay is working for me (or sometime not working for me). I do recommend doing a NG* playthrough at some point. In the case of ME1, if you follow the achievements as far as getting all the companion ones and power-related ones, you'll wind up doing 3-4 playthroughs utilizing different classes and companions... so, while you're at it, might as well go with a different gender and utilized the different backgrounds as well. Q2: I loved it, so it's really not for me to say what people have hated on it so much. Q3: There's lots of debate going on. We'll just have to wait to see what they do. I'd like them to continue on with ME:A2. Q4: Action/Adventure? Red Dead Redemption 2 and Fallout 4 are the two main ones I'm currently playing and loving a lot. Ghost of a Tale is a charming little stealth action game that I'm really enjoying. The Long Dark is a great survival sandbox... and the Wintermute story mode is good as well (although they only have 3 of the planned 5 episodes completed right now, so expect the story to be left hanging and given their previous rate of release, it could be quite awhile before we see Episodes 4 & 5. Interesting... Q1: Good advice thank you. I think the suggestion of playing the other gender, and picking a completely different class, is a great idea. I can see how that would force me to choose different companions, and how that would also impact the game. It was funny actually, because I pretty much used the same two companions for almost every mission. I had heard of people getting quite upset about losing squad mates, and when I got to that point where I had to choose which squad mate to sacrifice, it was a choice bewteen Ashley, who had been on almost every mission with me, and that bloke whose name I can't even remember because I didn't take him on a single mission. So ... there really wasn't a choice and I ended up feeling like I was experiencing what it's like to be a psychopath, as I didn't have any remorse about it, and when I was talking to the crew and others about having to make that decision, I was saying all the right things, but not feeling any of them! :-P I will definitely end up doing multiple passes I think. I do wonder about ME1 again though, because it's pretty dated now as far as certain things go. Foolishly that was one of the reasons I hadn't played the games before. It didn't matter so much because the game and the story were so awesome, but after playing the others, in which the graphics get so much better and the whole experience is vastly improved, I'm hoping I won't be too disappointed in ME1 when I play it again. I'm being stupid though right? Q2 and Q3: OK, wll, that's good news. Now that I am not watching some ancient YouTube video that was made when the game came out, I am starting to realise that there are others out there who love the game. I'm starting to get the impression that it's one of those love it or hate it type things, with people taking very distinct sides. Clearly the game had some very bad technical issues initially and that has really divided people. That means it will be very interesting to see what they do. Perhaps they will continue with the Andromeda Initiative, though they might be concerned that many fans simply won't come back. To me it does seem a lot like the new Star Wars trilogy. The interesting thing about that is all the people saying they hate them, and aren't going to watch them any more, but still each movies makes a billion dollars and everyone appears to be going along to watch it despite apparently hating the series. The point being that perhaps it might be possible to continue the Andromeda Initiative if the game is good enough, because the fans love the series so much that they couldn't resist, despite hating the previous game. Time will tell I suppose... Q4: Thank you for the suggestions. Given that you were a fan of Andromeda, I will look into your recommendations closely. I might even give Red Dead Redemption 2 another go. I don't know ... riding aroung on that bloody horse! ;-) See ya...
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As for replaying the games everyones different I've done back to back runs of the series before bu tthen I've also had breaks between runs to play Dragon Age and other things as well. In fact recently finished a run of the trilogy again myself though I decided to hold off on playing Andromeda again for the moment as I'm currently in the mood for playing some of my sports game sso I've been playimng tgames like FIFA and NFS (Need for Speed) the past few days. Thanks for your reply.Actually ... a couple of times - such as when I first fought an Architect and it killed me, because I wasn't strong enough yet - the game hung, and by the time I realised it had hung, and then restarted it, and resumed, it was a considerable period of time and consequently a real pain. It only happened to me a few times, because I quickly realised I wasn't going to beat him (her???) at that point, after I finally 'broke' one of it's legs, then had my loud celebration cut short as I realised I then had to chase him and do it all again to kill him. So I can see that if the game was constantly crashing, then ... yes ... I could understand how it would be a VERY different experience.
*SPLEESH!*
There I was, killing Kett by the dozen, thinking I ruled, when suddenly this giant behemoth rises up through the ground and kicks the living crap out of me! It was a humbling experience...
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Anyway, I watched a YouTube video in which a guy recently decided to go back and play through Andromeda to see if it was really as bad as people remembered, and I could see during the video that even though he appeared to genuinely be trying to re-evaluate it, he was clearly still looking at it through vomit coloured glasses and I don't think he would have been able to enjoy it no matter how much they'd fixed it. That's partly why I decided to ask the question here instead, to get some varied opinions...
Are you saying that you thought the story in the first trilogy was much better than the Andromeda story?
Personally I LOVED the story, and I especially loved the detail - it was like reading an awesome, 1000 page science fiction novel - and also the way it was told, slowly unfolding as you spoke with 'people', read terminals, and explored, not to mention the incredible plot twists along the way. I love mystery type movies and stories where you're wondering what on earth is going on, and it slowly unfolds, then has an ending that you didn's see coming, all of which Mass Effect had. Having said that, being an oldie and having read a lot of science fiction, I found that the story was not at all original. Pretty much every aspect of it, until the ending - including plot points, characters, and alien races - were all borrowed from other series. I didn't mind, because in fact I thought, early on, that the writers clearly loved the same books, movies, and TV shows as me - Star Trek being the series they borrowed most heavily from - and I quite enjoyed remembering a lot of the classics from Clarke, Asimov, and others, as I played through the game.
So I also loved Andromeda because I thought the story was actually much more original than the first three games.
Now ... a younger person might not be aware of the older stories, movies, and TV shows that the first trilogy borrowed from. Please don't take this the wrong way, because it is not a criticism of either Bioware, the original trilogy, or younger gamers. Quite the opposite! What I'm driving at is you might be a younger gamer and you might turn around and tell me that Andromeda is completely unoriginal and copies a bunch of books, movies, video games, and TV series that I haven't read, played. or seen because I'm an oldie. All I'm trying to say is that it's interesting that different people will think differently about the stories, perhaps dependent on their own personal tastes and what other media they have consumed?
So I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on that.
As for playing again, thanks to what you and others have said, I am going to make a list of the choices I want to make differently next time, then wait about 6 months so that I won't get bored in ME1 as I have to drive around looking for resources. Oh, dear, the planet mining in ME2 was just horrible. Luckily I bought one of those Microsoft Elite controllers and was able to set up a profile that enabled me to mine those planets a lot more easily.
But I digress!
Q. Lastly, although I had bought a pre-owned copy of Andromeda for $10, when I was half way through there was a bundle which included Andromeda, with a whole swag of DLC's, and Dragon Age Inquisition with all of it's DLC's too, for only $20. Obviously you're a fan of Dragon Age? I definitely want to play it, but I'm not in the mood for fantasy right now after such an awesome science fiction hit, but can you tell me, should I play all the Dragon Age games from Origins onwards, or should I start with 2, or should I go straight to Inquisition? Your advice about this would be much appreciated, as was your reply thank you...#
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I would play all 3 as they're al fantastic games Origins and 2 don' tnecessaril yhave the bes tgraphics and als oOrigins has a silent protagonist which may or ma ynot appeal to your taste but I presonally find al l3 games fun. Perhasp snot as much as Mass Effect but it is made by the same company. Though if you liked Andromeda then you'll likel yenjoy DA2 as it has a very family oriented story as well. Though DAI is m ypersona lfavouriet of the 3 I would sugges playing them and doing so in order and addin gyou rchoices to the Dragon Age Keep as you go so you ca nimport them into |DAI an dany future DA games tha tcome our way as well. But yea hit is a fantasy world with magic swords and shields but it's still a lot of fun. I poften like to pla yi twhen I want a change of pace though as it is slower than ME and it for the most part takes longer to complete because of it but it is worth it. Especiaslly for the dragon fights as they'er magnificently done.
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Personal Answer: besides it being a broken mess when it came out (even more so then Mercs 2), the story was dull as fuck, the squad mates feelt like carbon copies of the ME1 squad mates (save for Jaarl) and the Nomad was kinda pointless. Yeah I'm getting the impression that it was REALLY bad, from a technical perspective, when it came out, and I can see how that would make a very big difference to enjoyment of the game. I almost want to see it in its broken state now! As for the story, a few people have said that they didn't like it. "Dull as fuck" is the most blunt explanation I've heard along those lines though! :-P I find this general answer about the story very interesting because, as I've said elsewhere, my only criticism of the first trilogy was that the story was completely unoriginal, until the very end, with pretty much every plot point, and alien race, etc., very clearly borrowed from earlier stories, mostly from older science fiction authors, and with Star Trek being leaned upon VERY heavily. I won't go into this whole thing again, because I have expanded on it in other posts, but I thoroughly enjoyed the Andromeda story, in part because it was much more original. Now then, as I have also said elsewhere, you might say that Andromeda is completely unoriginal, and not realise that the first three games borrowed so heavily from others, all because you and I have consumed different books, movies, TV series and games. This is not meant to be a criticism of you, or others, or Bioware, or anyone, I simply find it interesting that there is such a distinct love it or hate feeling towards Andromeda. Q1. So, with all that being said, can you expand a bit on your comment please? This, to me, seems like a valid long term criticism of the game - unlike, say, the technical problems, because they have mostly been fixed - so why was it that you found the story boring and did you find it to be unoriginal? Again, you might consider the story unoriginal because you have consumed different books, movies, TV shows, and video games from me, and if that's the case then I am very interested because that will change my perception of Andromeda.
I don't know about you, but I find disagreements like this - i.e. about story - to be absolutely fascinating; the way one person can love a story that another person hates... Ooroo! :-)
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Personal Answer: besides it being a broken mess when it came out (even more so then Mercs 2), the story was dull as fuck, the squad mates feelt like carbon copies of the ME1 squad mates (save for Jaarl) and the Nomad was kinda pointless. Yeah I'm getting the impression that it was REALLY bad, from a technical perspective, when it came out, and I can see how that would make a very big difference to enjoyment of the game. I almost want to see it in its broken state now! As for the story, a few people have said that they didn't like it. "Dull as fuck" is the most blunt explanation I've heard along those lines though! :-P I find this general answer about the story very interesting because, as I've said elsewhere, my only criticism of the first trilogy was that the story was completely unoriginal, until the very end, with pretty much every plot point, and alien race, etc., very clearly borrowed from earlier stories, mostly from older science fiction authors, and with Star Trek being leaned upon VERY heavily. I won't go into this whole thing again, because I have expanded on it in other posts, but I thoroughly enjoyed the Andromeda story, in part because it was much more original. Now then, as I have also said elsewhere, you might say that Andromeda is completely unoriginal, and not realise that the first three games borrowed so heavily from others, all because you and I have consumed different books, movies, TV series and games. This is not meant to be a criticism of you, or others, or Bioware, or anyone, I simply find it interesting that there is such a distinct love it or hate feeling towards Andromeda. Q1. So, with all that being said, can you expand a bit on your comment please? This, to me, seems like a valid long term criticism of the game - unlike, say, the technical problems, because they have mostly been fixed - so why was it that you found the story boring and did you find it to be unoriginal? Again, you might consider the story unoriginal because you have consumed different books, movies, TV shows, and video games from me, and if that's the case then I am very interested because that will change my perception of Andromeda.
I don't know about you, but I find disagreements like this - i.e. about story - to be absolutely fascinating; the way one person can love a story that another person hates... Ooroo! :-) Unoriginal as you said. There's parts of Star Trek, Halo, Stargate and Stargate Atlantis' main badguys mixed up with MEA's story. Oh, and you really wouldn't want to play MEA without it's updates.... Unless you have the patience of a Saint...
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Thanks for your reply.Actually ... a couple of times - such as when I first fought an Architect and it killed me, because I wasn't strong enough yet - the game hung, and by the time I realised it had hung, and then restarted it, and resumed, it was a considerable period of time and consequently a real pain. It only happened to me a few times, because I quickly realised I wasn't going to beat him (her???) at that point, after I finally 'broke' one of it's legs, then had my loud celebration cut short as I realised I then had to chase him and do it all again to kill him. So I can see that if the game was constantly crashing, then ... yes ... I could understand how it would be a VERY different experience.
*SPLEESH!*
There I was, killing Kett by the dozen, thinking I ruled, when suddenly this giant behemoth rises up through the ground and kicks the living crap out of me! It was a humbling experience...
:-P
Anyway, I watched a YouTube video in which a guy recently decided to go back and play through Andromeda to see if it was really as bad as people remembered, and I could see during the video that even though he appeared to genuinely be trying to re-evaluate it, he was clearly still looking at it through vomit coloured glasses and I don't think he would have been able to enjoy it no matter how much they'd fixed it. That's partly why I decided to ask the question here instead, to get some varied opinions...
Are you saying that you thought the story in the first trilogy was much better than the Andromeda story?
Personally I LOVED the story, and I especially loved the detail - it was like reading an awesome, 1000 page science fiction novel - and also the way it was told, slowly unfolding as you spoke with 'people', read terminals, and explored, not to mention the incredible plot twists along the way. I love mystery type movies and stories where you're wondering what on earth is going on, and it slowly unfolds, then has an ending that you didn's see coming, all of which Mass Effect had. Having said that, being an oldie and having read a lot of science fiction, I found that the story was not at all original. Pretty much every aspect of it, until the ending - including plot points, characters, and alien races - were all borrowed from other series. I didn't mind, because in fact I thought, early on, that the writers clearly loved the same books, movies, and TV shows as me - Star Trek being the series they borrowed most heavily from - and I quite enjoyed remembering a lot of the classics from Clarke, Asimov, and others, as I played through the game.
So I also loved Andromeda because I thought the story was actually much more original than the first three games.
Now ... a younger person might not be aware of the older stories, movies, and TV shows that the first trilogy borrowed from. Please don't take this the wrong way, because it is not a criticism of either Bioware, the original trilogy, or younger gamers. Quite the opposite! What I'm driving at is you might be a younger gamer and you might turn around and tell me that Andromeda is completely unoriginal and copies a bunch of books, movies, video games, and TV series that I haven't read, played. or seen because I'm an oldie. All I'm trying to say is that it's interesting that different people will think differently about the stories, perhaps dependent on their own personal tastes and what other media they have consumed?
So I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on that.
As for playing again, thanks to what you and others have said, I am going to make a list of the choices I want to make differently next time, then wait about 6 months so that I won't get bored in ME1 as I have to drive around looking for resources. Oh, dear, the planet mining in ME2 was just horrible. Luckily I bought one of those Microsoft Elite controllers and was able to set up a profile that enabled me to mine those planets a lot more easily.
But I digress!
Q. Lastly, although I had bought a pre-owned copy of Andromeda for $10, when I was half way through there was a bundle which included Andromeda, with a whole swag of DLC's, and Dragon Age Inquisition with all of it's DLC's too, for only $20. Obviously you're a fan of Dragon Age? I definitely want to play it, but I'm not in the mood for fantasy right now after such an awesome science fiction hit, but can you tell me, should I play all the Dragon Age games from Origins onwards, or should I start with 2, or should I go straight to Inquisition? Your advice about this would be much appreciated, as was your reply thank you...#
Cheers!
I would play all 3 as they're al fantastic games Origins and 2 don' tnecessaril yhave the bes tgraphics and als oOrigins has a silent protagonist which may or ma ynot appeal to your taste but I presonally find al l3 games fun. Perhasp snot as much as Mass Effect but it is made by the same company. Though if you liked Andromeda then you'll likel yenjoy DA2 as it has a very family oriented story as well. Though DAI is m ypersona lfavouriet of the 3 I would sugges playing them and doing so in order and addin gyou rchoices to the Dragon Age Keep as you go so you ca nimport them into |DAI an dany future DA games tha tcome our way as well. But yea hit is a fantasy world with magic swords and shields but it's still a lot of fun. I poften like to pla yi twhen I want a change of pace though as it is slower than ME and it for the most part takes longer to complete because of it but it is worth it. Especiaslly for the dragon fights as they'er magnificently done. That's really helpful thank you. I will start with Origins and play the whole way through. I asked because one of the guys in EB Games told me not to play Origins and go straight to Inquisition, which I was going to do, but then - on my next visit, when I was buying my awetastic Pickle Parkour t-shit - he told me that he didn't like Rick and Morty, which made me question his sanity and intelligence, to say nothing of his opinion on games, so I greatly appreciate your input... Personally I find that if the game and story are strong enough, then I really don't notice the graphics because I become so immersed. It doesn't hurt that I'm old enough to remember owning a track and field video game, played on a CGA monitor, attached to an original IBM PC, in which my athlete was literally one pixel, and you tapped on two of the arrow keys to make him run around the 'track', while your opponent (yes we had mutilpayer games back then!), used two keys on the left hand side of the keyboard to make his one pixel athlete run against you. This was when there was no such thing as an IBM PC clone, and the clock speed on the 8088 was 4.7MHz. They keyboard was this giant metal beast - replete with metal keys - that would make a loud 'clack' as you struck them. The point being that being an oldie does have some advantages, in that I'm sure the Dragon Age Origins graphics will be absoltely fine! :-P I absolutely LOVE fantasy. When I was in year 10 at school I hated reading, but then we read The Hobbit and it completely blew my mind. There weren't a lot of fantasy books back then, and I had no idea that such books existed. I inhaled it, then followed up with The Lord Of The Rings, and have read well over 1500 books since then. It truly changed my life. So ... I'm sure I will absolutely love Dragon Age, it's just that I'm not in the mood for fantasy right now, and I want to keep it up my sleeve until I AM in the mood, just so that I really enjoy it. Thanks a lot for the advice... :-) P.S. I've been up all night; it's now 9:00am - which is why I'm rambling on even more than usual - so I will stop boring everyone with walls of text now and go to sleep, then wake up and turn red with embarressment when I read through all this gibberish, some time in the late, LATE afternoon or early evening. A river derchy! :-D
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Q1: I think this answer is different for everyone. I go with my gut... when I get an itch to play something, I play it. I often have several part playthroughs on the go simultaneously so that I can compare how I feel the roleplay is working for me (or sometime not working for me). I do recommend doing a NG* playthrough at some point. In the case of ME1, if you follow the achievements as far as getting all the companion ones and power-related ones, you'll wind up doing 3-4 playthroughs utilizing different classes and companions... so, while you're at it, might as well go with a different gender and utilized the different backgrounds as well. Q2: I loved it, so it's really not for me to say what people have hated on it so much. Q3: There's lots of debate going on. We'll just have to wait to see what they do. I'd like them to continue on with ME:A2. Q4: Action/Adventure? Red Dead Redemption 2 and Fallout 4 are the two main ones I'm currently playing and loving a lot. Ghost of a Tale is a charming little stealth action game that I'm really enjoying. The Long Dark is a great survival sandbox... and the Wintermute story mode is good as well (although they only have 3 of the planned 5 episodes completed right now, so expect the story to be left hanging and given their previous rate of release, it could be quite awhile before we see Episodes 4 & 5. Interesting... Q1: Good advice thank you. I think the suggestion of playing the other gender, and picking a completely different class, is a great idea. I can see how that would force me to choose different companions, and how that would also impact the game. It was funny actually, because I pretty much used the same two companions for almost every mission. I had heard of people getting quite upset about losing squad mates, and when I got to that point where I had to choose which squad mate to sacrifice, it was a choice bewteen Ashley, who had been on almost every mission with me, and that bloke whose name I can't even remember because I didn't take him on a single mission. So ... there really wasn't a choice and I ended up feeling like I was experiencing what it's like to be a psychopath, as I didn't have any remorse about it, and when I was talking to the crew and others about having to make that decision, I was saying all the right things, but not feeling any of them! :-P I will definitely end up doing multiple passes I think. I do wonder about ME1 again though, because it's pretty dated now as far as certain things go. Foolishly that was one of the reasons I hadn't played the games before. It didn't matter so much because the game and the story were so awesome, but after playing the others, in which the graphics get so much better and the whole experience is vastly improved, I'm hoping I won't be too disappointed in ME1 when I play it again. I'm being stupid though right? Q2 and Q3: OK, wll, that's good news. Now that I am not watching some ancient YouTube video that was made when the game came out, I am starting to realise that there are others out there who love the game. I'm starting to get the impression that it's one of those love it or hate it type things, with people taking very distinct sides. Clearly the game had some very bad technical issues initially and that has really divided people. That means it will be very interesting to see what they do. Perhaps they will continue with the Andromeda Initiative, though they might be concerned that many fans simply won't come back. To me it does seem a lot like the new Star Wars trilogy. The interesting thing about that is all the people saying they hate them, and aren't going to watch them any more, but still each movies makes a billion dollars and everyone appears to be going along to watch it despite apparently hating the series. The point being that perhaps it might be possible to continue the Andromeda Initiative if the game is good enough, because the fans love the series so much that they couldn't resist, despite hating the previous game. Time will tell I suppose... Q4: Thank you for the suggestions. Given that you were a fan of Andromeda, I will look into your recommendations closely. I might even give Red Dead Redemption 2 another go. I don't know ... riding aroung on that bloody horse! ;-) See ya... I started playing ME:A a couple of months after it released and they had patched a significant amount of the bugs by then It also performed better on the Xbox One than other platforms (and that's the platform I play on). I think a lot of the early vitriol came fro players who played the 10-hour pre-release trial and then went to sites like Metacritic and harshed on the game based on that first 10-hour experience. There were also some present on the old BSN and the very early days on this site who were obviously against the whole concept of the game moving out of the Milky Way and away from Shepard's story long before the game ever released. These combined with the game's technical and story imperfections into a perfect storm that made it very difficulty for people who liked the game to even voice their opinion of it without attracting hoards of detractors who literally wanted to make it seem like absolutely no one could possibly like the game. Amid all of that, EA pulled their support for the game.
Things have cooled off a bit now, although negativism and arguments still erupt here from time to time... mostly I think out of impatience. Nobody likes just waiting around to see where Bioware intends to go next with the franchise. I consider those of us who do like the game to be the more fortunate... we have a great game we can play and enjoy while we wait... whatever happens next. Life is so much better when you enjoy whatever games you play. Don't feel obligated to try RDR2 again just because I like it. Just because we both liked Andromeda doesn't mean we'll both like the same games across the board. We're different people... and that's OK.
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Interesting... Q1: Good advice thank you. I think the suggestion of playing the other gender, and picking a completely different class, is a great idea. I can see how that would force me to choose different companions, and how that would also impact the game. It was funny actually, because I pretty much used the same two companions for almost every mission. I had heard of people getting quite upset about losing squad mates, and when I got to that point where I had to choose which squad mate to sacrifice, it was a choice bewteen Ashley, who had been on almost every mission with me, and that bloke whose name I can't even remember because I didn't take him on a single mission. So ... there really wasn't a choice and I ended up feeling like I was experiencing what it's like to be a psychopath, as I didn't have any remorse about it, and when I was talking to the crew and others about having to make that decision, I was saying all the right things, but not feeling any of them! :-P I will definitely end up doing multiple passes I think. I do wonder about ME1 again though, because it's pretty dated now as far as certain things go. Foolishly that was one of the reasons I hadn't played the games before. It didn't matter so much because the game and the story were so awesome, but after playing the others, in which the graphics get so much better and the whole experience is vastly improved, I'm hoping I won't be too disappointed in ME1 when I play it again. I'm being stupid though right? Q2 and Q3: OK, wll, that's good news. Now that I am not watching some ancient YouTube video that was made when the game came out, I am starting to realise that there are others out there who love the game. I'm starting to get the impression that it's one of those love it or hate it type things, with people taking very distinct sides. Clearly the game had some very bad technical issues initially and that has really divided people. That means it will be very interesting to see what they do. Perhaps they will continue with the Andromeda Initiative, though they might be concerned that many fans simply won't come back. To me it does seem a lot like the new Star Wars trilogy. The interesting thing about that is all the people saying they hate them, and aren't going to watch them any more, but still each movies makes a billion dollars and everyone appears to be going along to watch it despite apparently hating the series. The point being that perhaps it might be possible to continue the Andromeda Initiative if the game is good enough, because the fans love the series so much that they couldn't resist, despite hating the previous game. Time will tell I suppose... Q4: Thank you for the suggestions. Given that you were a fan of Andromeda, I will look into your recommendations closely. I might even give Red Dead Redemption 2 another go. I don't know ... riding aroung on that bloody horse! ;-) See ya... I started playing ME:A a couple of months after it released and they had patched a significant amount of the bugs by then It also performed better on the Xbox One than other platforms (and that's the platform I play on). I think a lot of the early vitriol came fro players who played the 10-hour pre-release trial and then went to sites like Metacritic and harshed on the game based on that first 10-hour experience. There were also some present on the old BSN and the very early days on this site who were obviously against the whole concept of the game moving out of the Milky Way and away from Shepard's story long before the game ever released. These combined with the game's technical and story imperfections into a perfect storm that made it very difficulty for people who liked the game to even voice their opinion of it without attracting hoards of detractors who literally wanted to make it seem like absolutely no one could possibly like the game. Amid all of that, EA pulled their support for the game.
Things have cooled off a bit now, although negativism and arguments still erupt here from time to time... mostly I think out of impatience. Nobody likes just waiting around to see where Bioware intends to go next with the franchise. I consider those of us who do like the game to be the more fortunate... we have a great game we can play and enjoy while we wait... whatever happens next. Life is so much better when you enjoy whatever games you play. Don't feel obligated to try RDR2 again just because I like it. Just because we both liked Andromeda doesn't mean we'll both like the same games across the board. We're different people... and that's OK.
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Post by fillshertease on Mar 7, 2020 0:30:13 GMT
Yeah I'm getting the impression that it was REALLY bad, from a technical perspective, when it came out, and I can see how that would make a very big difference to enjoyment of the game. I almost want to see it in its broken state now! As for the story, a few people have said that they didn't like it. "Dull as fuck" is the most blunt explanation I've heard along those lines though! :-P I find this general answer about the story very interesting because, as I've said elsewhere, my only criticism of the first trilogy was that the story was completely unoriginal, until the very end, with pretty much every plot point, and alien race, etc., very clearly borrowed from earlier stories, mostly from older science fiction authors, and with Star Trek being leaned upon VERY heavily. I won't go into this whole thing again, because I have expanded on it in other posts, but I thoroughly enjoyed the Andromeda story, in part because it was much more original. Now then, as I have also said elsewhere, you might say that Andromeda is completely unoriginal, and not realise that the first three games borrowed so heavily from others, all because you and I have consumed different books, movies, TV series and games. This is not meant to be a criticism of you, or others, or Bioware, or anyone, I simply find it interesting that there is such a distinct love it or hate feeling towards Andromeda. Q1. So, with all that being said, can you expand a bit on your comment please? This, to me, seems like a valid long term criticism of the game - unlike, say, the technical problems, because they have mostly been fixed - so why was it that you found the story boring and did you find it to be unoriginal? Again, you might consider the story unoriginal because you have consumed different books, movies, TV shows, and video games from me, and if that's the case then I am very interested because that will change my perception of Andromeda.
I don't know about you, but I find disagreements like this - i.e. about story - to be absolutely fascinating; the way one person can love a story that another person hates... Ooroo! :-) Unoriginal as you said. There's parts of Star Trek, Halo, Stargate and Stargate Atlantis' main badguys mixed up with MEA's story. Oh, and you really wouldn't want to play MEA without it's updates.... Unless you have the patience of a Saint... Aha! See, now, that IS really interesting. Star Trek is a very heavy influence in ALL of the games, but I didn't mind that because I LOVE star Trek. At one point I was even wondering whether they started out making a Star Trek game but couldn't get the rights, so simply renamed the Klingons to be Krogans, changed the Borg Cubes to be giant flying Cockroaches and renamed them Reapers, redesigned the Enterprise and called it the Normandy, and so on and so forth. Anyway ... the interesting thing is that I never watched any Stargate except the movie, and I never played Halo, so I thought Andromeda was more original than the first three games, but that was only because I consumed different science fiction than you. Fascinating! In the end I hope that whatever they do, it's something that we ALL enjoy, so that we get more games, because I suspect if the next one fails then that's going to be it. I would love for the Andromeda Initiative to continue because I liked the story and I would love to find out the answers to the unaswered questions. However if that meant that people like you didn't enjoy the game, and the whole thing died as a result, then that would be terrible, so I would prefer it if they wiped the slate and started again if that's what it takes to keep us all happy. My guess is that's what they'll do, because I will play the next game whatever it is, whereas you - and others like you - might not play the game if it is a continuation of Andromeda, so the safest bet if you were Bioware would be to start a whole new thing. Thanks for your reply. It's interesting to find out the various different views about the whole thing. I really want to play the game without the patches now, just to see how bad it was, kind of like watching The Room... :-P Crikey ... I have GOT to go to bed now. Aloha!
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 7, 2020 0:43:19 GMT
Unoriginal as you said. There's parts of Star Trek, Halo, Stargate and Stargate Atlantis' main badguys mixed up with MEA's story. Oh, and you really wouldn't want to play MEA without it's updates.... Unless you have the patience of a Saint... Aha! See, now, that IS really interesting. Star Trek is a very heavy influence in ALL of the games, but I didn't mind that because I LOVE star Trek. At one point I was even wondering whether they started out making a Star Trek game but couldn't get the rights, so simply renamed the Klingons to be Krogans, changed the Borg Cubes to be giant flying Cockroaches and renamed them Reapers, redesigned the Enterprise and called it the Normandy, and so on and so forth. Anyway ... the interesting thing is that I never watched any Stargate except the movie, and I never played Halo, so I thought Andromeda was more original than the first three games, but that was only because I consumed different science fiction than you. Fascinating! In the end I hope that whatever they do, it's something that we ALL enjoy, so that we get more games, because I suspect if the next one fails then that's going to be it. I would love for the Andromeda Initiative to continue because I liked the story and I would love to find out the answers to the unaswered questions. However if that meant that people like you didn't enjoy the game, and the whole thing died as a result, then that would be terrible, so I would prefer it if they wiped the slate and started again if that's what it takes to keep us all happy. My guess is that's what they'll do, because I will play the next game whatever it is, whereas you - and others like you - might not play the game if it is a continuation of Andromeda, so the safest bet if you were Bioware would be to start a whole new thing. Thanks for your reply. It's interesting to find out the various different views about the whole thing. I really want to play the game without the patches now, just to see how bad it was, kind of like watching The Room... :-P Crikey ... I have GOT to go to bed now. Aloha! Actually, I have no interest in Mass Effect games anymore, I gave MEA a shot to see if there was any chance of re-lighting my interest in the franchise. It didn't. Besides using Mass Effect in a crossover fic (which would be only based on the OT), I've no plans to ever play or buy a Mass Effect game ever again.
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Post by Shinobu on Mar 7, 2020 7:20:32 GMT
Hi All, For various reasons I only just recently started playing the Mass Effect games. I played through 1, 2 and 3 and I thoroughly enjoyed them, but I wasn't planning to play Andromeda because I had heard that it was terrible. However I was desperate when I got to the end of the trilogy, and I found a pre-owned copy of Andromeda for only $10 at my local game store, so I figured I might as well take it for a test toast. Well ... to my complete surprise it was a truly magnificent game! Sure, there are a few little glitches in it that stopped it short of being perfect, but overall it was one of the best games I've ever played. In fact the quadrilogy over all is so good that I can't quite decide whether or not it actually knocks Zelda from it's Number 1 Game Series Pedistal. Probably not, given how many awesome games there are in that series, and how many innovations it introduced that have become standard gameplay mechanics, but the fact that there's even a question about it in my mind really does say something. I don't often replay games, but I fully intend to play through the Mass Effect games again, just because I can see that starting with a very different character, and making some different choices along the way, could completely change various outcomes in the overall story. The way decisions I made had ramifications across games really blew me away, and that aspect might be the thing that knoecks Zelda off it's perch. I don't want to do it straight away (well ... I kind of do!), because I only just finished and much of it will be too fresh, but I don't want to wait too long either, so that I can remember what I did at those really big choice moments. So... Q. I was thinking of playing through again in about 6 months, but I'd love to hear people's opinions on when to play through the series again please?Anyway ... I'll try to stop rambling (sorry!) and get to my question. I know Andromeda had some technical issues when it came out, but I can't see how they could have been so bad that - even now - there's still clearly a lot of HATE towards the game. To me that is potentially a big problem because I thought the game was fantastic, and while I was playing it I could see how the next game would be even more brilliant if they continued to expand in the same direction; which they clearly planned to do, given that the Kett are still out there and there were so many questions left unanswered. So, in the hope that it isn't things that will stand in the way of them continuing to develop and expand Andromeda in the same direction they obviously planned, I'm interested to know... Q. Why do people hate Mass Effect Andromeda so much?
I really hope that whatever it is that people dislike(d), it isn't going to mean the end of Andromeda and a completely new direction for Mass Effect over all. To that end, I've heard that a 5th game is now in the pipeline, so my question is... Q. Do we know what they're planning do with the new installment; are they going to continue with the Andromeda Initiative, or will they be going back to the drawing board and taking a completely new direction?
Finally, I guess only other Mass Effect fans - even if they didn't like Andromeda - can understand the hollow feeling I currently have. Now that I have finished the quadrilogy - which has taken me a couple of months - I have the unenviable task of finding another game to play. That can be a difficult thing to do under the best of circumstances - in fact ... I only tried Mass Effect because it was free with Game Pass, and I couldn't find a game that measured up after I bought a Switch and played through Breath Of The Wild again - but after Breath Of The Wild, followed by the Mass Effect Quadrilogy, I think I have a taste of what it's like for a heroin addict to go cold turkey! So... Q. What are people's recommendations for action/adventure games that will give me a suitable fix please?:-P Thanks and ... ciao for now! Hi, and welcome to the boards! Your enthusiasm makes me want to protect you at all costs. I hope you don't hang out here long enough to become bitter as some others have done.
As far as your questions are concerned: 1) Play it when you feel like it. I loved ME2 and played it a few times in rapid succession. I meant to do things differently, but like a favorite movie I played nearly the same way just to relive my favorite moments.
2) I liked Andromeda, although not as much as the trilogy. I really liked Ryder, but found the squaddies less interesting than those we'd had in the past. Mordin and Legion were really interesting for their outlooks and experiences. Debating the Genophage with Mordin in 2 where he defended his choices, but then seeing him sacrifice himself in 3 to undo something he came to see as a mistake was really moving. The Andromeda squaddies by contrast seemed to be intentionally quirky but not to have much substance. The reused fauna and enemies on the planets got kind of boring. I found the mining and crafting boring and the menu system just rage-inducing. I also had the banter bug, which negated a lot of what I look forward to in a Bioware game. I did like combat, though, and feel we could come to love the squad if they had three games of development like the original team did.
One of the things that seemed to cause a lot of rage when Andromeda was released was the perception that "the SJW agenda is ruining the franchise." For example, people thought Cora and Peebee weren't sexy enough and that it was some sort of feminist conspiracy to make them ugly. There were complaints about "forced diversity" and how Bioware was forgetting their core straight white male 18-25 year old audience. Most of that has died down and you're probably glad you missed it.
3) We don't know what the next installment will be. Personally I hope for a continuation in Andromeda with Ryder and save importing.
4) You seem as though you're around my age. If you liked AD&D I would recommend Dragon Age Origins. It's a lot slower paced than Mass Effect, but the companions are fantastic. It was the first CRPG I played that felt like an actual PnP RPG. It got right that an RPG should be about interacting with NPCs and not only about how much rope fits in a backpack. DA2 is faster paced, but I didn't like it as much because I felt railroaded a lot of the time. DAI was okay but the open world aspect was tedious, IMO. But the truth of the matter is that no game I know of feels as responsive to my choices as the original Mass Effect Trilogy.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 8, 2020 18:03:36 GMT
Why people liked or disliked MEA varied quite a bit.
For me I disliked the main characters, almost all of them and the one off characters like the whiny bitch asking for his mom. I disliked the advancement, lack of class system. I'm fine with classless, but some weird you have 3 active powers while knowing 40 powers thing I did not enjoy. In the mid range was the story. I put it in the ME2 range. If you don't think at all and just enjoy the shallow action movie story its somewhat fun. On the plus side the gameplay was solid, I still prefer ME3 combat mechanics, but the open world and admittedly fairly shallow exploration was a plus over its complete lack of existence in ME2/3, and it was better in many respects than ME1. I think they should have had a dozen or so simple uncharted worlds style missions with small zones to explore. And while the main characters I think were terrible overall some of the side characters were actually pretty good either as people to hate, or actually just likeable characters. Though I did not like either of the ones you are supposed to like Kesh and Kandros, totally boring characters. But Tann and Addison were fantastically done in how much they irritated people, I actually like Tann though. he never really irritated me.
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Post by fuckea on Mar 8, 2020 20:58:06 GMT
I dont know why ppl didnt like the game, I think it was a hideous mess at the release in 'EA' style(he he... ;p), so obviously ppl were put off, I usually try to wait for a year or a half after the release unless i know the dev is solid.
I dont hate it but I can tell you what I like about it. To me its more of a space exploration game with a story and the ME setting and background, I like the idea of people from milky way going off on a 600 years journey to settle in new galaxy, to escape clutches of galactic society government and also the threat of all out war. You get to be a specially enhanced and trained person who would lead the expeditions to the new worlds in Andromeda fighting the elements and preparing planets for your people to settle there. Its not a superexcticting game like the original trilogy but its in the same setting and it is about something new, which I think is good, I mean three game with the same take are enough imo.
Its not perfect ofc its EA games game lets not forget ;p So if you dont like unrealistic looking characters, or little choices in making your character stand out, or that combat and balance dont make sense to suits at EA, now the combat is actually nice but its not a challenge its just stupid, i dont know how to explain it you would have to try. Also most of the crew will annoy you, and there will be alot of lorebreaking copycatting from ME for the sake of wider audience finding joy in reassemble, or costs cuts. Also the main story is a bit weird tho idea behind it isnt half bad to me.
But if you find space movies relaxing I think youll like this game its really nice.
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Post by GimmeMassEffect on Mar 8, 2020 22:29:45 GMT
People who hate ME:A probably do so, because it's not ME1-3... What made ME:A less appealing was IMO the way too light tone and lackluster writing. They should have gone with a more serious/grim tone for ME:A.
What -I- don't like about ME:A is that it did not receive a "No Man's Sky treatment", because I feel potential to make the game better was there through story DLCs and additional patching.
Also multiplayer mechanics are kinda cool, but because they abandoned the game too soon, there are just not enough maps and objective types too make the game feel less repetitive in a longer run.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Mar 9, 2020 15:28:04 GMT
Well, I didn't hate it, but my take after both Andromeda and Inquisition is that Bioware are not that good at "more and bigger." To me, their strengths lie in strong worldbuilding through more focused stories that make you care about the characters and your own choices and have high replay value. Even if you don't make vastly different choices from one playthrough to another, the best Bioware games that I've played do a good job of drawing me into their worlds and letting me craft a compelling protagonist, such that I find myself wanting to repeat the experience. However, in Inquisition and Andromeda, I found some of the exploration and combat a bit dull after a while and the sidequests kind of repetitive, to the point that they felt like they were just taking up time and didn't have that much connection to the rest of the world or the characters. Also, spoiler alert - at least in Mass Effect and Dragon Age, Bioware tends to write their way around your choices having huge world-changing consequences. Most of the time, you'll still be playing the same levels with the same major plot points. You'll notice the changes more in the conversations you have with returning characters, or sometimes a character showing up or not showing up at all. For example, you'll still pick up the mission at the Ardat-Yakshi monastery in ME3 even if Samara died at the end of ME2. If you're looking for a non-fantasy game that will give you an experience somewhat similar to Mass Effect, I'd recommend the two newer Deus Ex games (Human Revolution and Mankind Divided). The protagonist is more of a fixed quantity than Shepard or Ryder and doesn't really develop friendships or romances with the NPCs, but you still have your share of consequential choices and an interesting world to explore.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 9, 2020 16:08:24 GMT
I dont hate it, I actually love it. Its the ME1 it should have been (without the currency trading on xbox live ) but now were in different galaxy. All is new anyway and we just scratched the surface of few planets in one (1) cluster! etc. etc.. If theres something I dont like hmm I have to think, quickly maybe it is the missing the customization of team mates gear/weaponry and the fact we cannot command them to use specific powers etc. Other thing basically when the info about unrealized data from the mining of game files came available we could see the stuff that was supposed to end up in the game; Short UNC missions in smaller area like in ME2/ME3 and larger UNC areas to explore, different weather dangers and so on. Well I suppose the main development was short Oh yes, the profile system, while working in this AI in head scenario not sure if it works in (hopefully) upcoming sequels. I'm kinda ok with the "learn one skill from a team mate" stuff
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Post by themikefest on Mar 9, 2020 22:28:09 GMT
Q. I was thinking of playing through again in about 6 months, but I'd love to hear people's opinions on when to play through the series again please? Whenever you want. When you decide to play the trilogy, you can post your playthrough in this thread, if you like. And when you play MEA, you can post your playthrough in this thread. If you like a bit of motivation to play, here's a thread with all kinds of stuff that has been found that folks may not have known about. Depends on the person. Some might hate it because of this, that , and the other thing. My issues with the game started before the Hyperion flew into the scourge. The game did have a few things I liked, but not enough for me to like the game as a whole. I will add that I did enjoy completing speedruns since I was able to skip nearly everything in the game. If interested, here's a thread with reviews from posters about the game. I have no idea what the next ME game will be about. I would guess the earliest it might release would be 2025. At the moment, I believe a remastered trilogy will be released before that time.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 10, 2020 16:17:47 GMT
I never hated it but I like it alot better now that they fixed the facial animations. They aren't cringe worthy any more and it makes a BIG difference for me. I love it now. However I always said it was a good game and never understood the sheer amount of hate it got. Personally I think it's just that some people go on the internet to just be negative. Yeah it has it's flaws but it didn't deserve the hate.
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