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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2020 20:17:43 GMT
Not reall yas we're not fightin the Metacons or the peopl etha tmade them in our cycle as the yno longer exist. First of all, clean up your post, it's hard to read. Second, it's information in regards to the last cycle. And seeing as it wasn't the protheans that made them, then why did the Reapers attack them in the first place? For th easme reason they attacked us and the Turian sand all the other space faring species. Every 50,000 years they are programmed to wipe out all advanced life forms. The Protheans just happened to be in that position 50,000 years ago and now we are which is why they are doing it to us in the trilogy. Doesn't take a genius to work that out. So basically in our Cycle the Quarian are to blame tbh just as the people who built the Metacons were in the Protheans cycle.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2020 20:19:36 GMT
Not reall yas we're not fightin the Metacons or the peopl etha tmade them in our cycle as the yno longer exist. First of all, clean up your post, it's hard to read. If you didn't know, sjsharp2010 has posted a few times in the past he has a disability.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 5, 2020 20:30:21 GMT
First of all, clean up your post, it's hard to read. Second, it's information in regards to the last cycle. And seeing as it wasn't the protheans that made them, then why did the Reapers attack them in the first place? For th easme reason they attacked us and the Turian sand all the other space faring species. Every 50,000 years they are programmed to wipe out all advanced life forms. The Protheans just happened to be in that position 50,000 years ago and now we are which is why they are doing it to us in the trilogy. Doesn't take a genius to work that out. So basically in our Cycle the Quarian are to blame tbh just as the people who built the Metacons were in the Protheans cycle. Their purpose (as Starkid points out), is to prevent organics from creating advanced AI that'll wipe out all organic life. Yet, the protheans did not create any AI (in fact, they were against the use of AI'S to begin with). So really, Starkid and it's Reapers wiped out a race that would have never created AI'S in the first place. And yet they did nothing to stop the ones that created the Metacons. So, the Starkid and it's Reapers are either A, stupid, or B, full of shit and are no longer following the goals that Starkids makers programmed into it (in other words, they have gone rogue and the last of Starkids makers race are just too full of themselves that they don't realise their creation is no longer following it's primary goal).
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 5, 2020 20:31:22 GMT
First of all, clean up your post, it's hard to read. If you didn't know, sjsharp2010 has posted a few times in the past he has a disability. Actually I didn't know.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2020 21:07:15 GMT
For th easme reason they attacked us and the Turian sand all the other space faring species. Every 50,000 years they are programmed to wipe out all advanced life forms. The Protheans just happened to be in that position 50,000 years ago and now we are which is why they are doing it to us in the trilogy. Doesn't take a genius to work that out. So basically in our Cycle the Quarian are to blame tbh just as the people who built the Metacons were in the Protheans cycle. Their purpose (as Starkid points out), is to prevent organics from creating advanced AI that'll wipe out all organic life. Yet, the protheans did not create any AI (in fact, they were against the use of AI'S to begin with). So really, Starkid and it's Reapers wiped out a race that would have never created AI'S in the first place. And yet they did nothing to stop the ones that created the Metacons. So, the Starkid and it's Reapers are either A, stupid, or B, full of shit and are no longer following the goals that Starkids makers programmed into it (in other words, they have gone rogue and the last of Starkids makers race are just too full of themselves that they don't realise their creation is no longer following it's primary goal). I think thast's wh yyou can convince the Leviathans to assist you in stopping them in ME3. Because in the end I think they realised they made a mistake in creating them. Als t om yknowleddge neithe rthe Turians or Asari made any either but i tdidn't stop the Reapers atacking them did it? Whils twe human swere using som eAI's the ywere shackled wit hlimited programmin gan dcapabilities as for example EDI couldn' t control the Normandy until Joker unlocked it for her. Also same with SAM in that they can only do things through Ryder and only with Ryder's premission.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 5, 2020 21:16:25 GMT
Their purpose (as Starkid points out), is to prevent organics from creating advanced AI that'll wipe out all organic life. Yet, the protheans did not create any AI (in fact, they were against the use of AI'S to begin with). So really, Starkid and it's Reapers wiped out a race that would have never created AI'S in the first place. And yet they did nothing to stop the ones that created the Metacons. So, the Starkid and it's Reapers are either A, stupid, or B, full of shit and are no longer following the goals that Starkids makers programmed into it (in other words, they have gone rogue and the last of Starkids makers race are just too full of themselves that they don't realise their creation is no longer following it's primary goal). I think thast's wh yyou can convince the Leviathans to assist you in stopping them in ME3. Because in the end I think they realised they made a mistake in creating them. Als t om yknowleddge neithe rthe Turians or Asari made any either but i tdidn't stop the Reapers atacking them did it? Whils twe human swere using som eAI's the ywere shackled wit hlimited programmin gan dcapabilities as for example EDI couldn' t control the Normandy until Joker unlocked it for her. Also same with SAM in that they can only do things through Ryder and only with Ryder's premission. There was that clip from the Citadel DOC where the asari gunned down a group of LOKI mechs that had been taken over an AI, but it's not clear if they or the other Council races built it. As for humans and AI, that shows that AI'S can be created and not go all Skynet on the galaxy.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2020 22:25:37 GMT
I think thast's wh yyou can convince the Leviathans to assist you in stopping them in ME3. Because in the end I think they realised they made a mistake in creating them. Als t om yknowleddge neithe rthe Turians or Asari made any either but i tdidn't stop the Reapers atacking them did it? Whils twe human swere using som eAI's the ywere shackled wit hlimited programmin gan dcapabilities as for example EDI couldn' t control the Normandy until Joker unlocked it for her. Also same with SAM in that they can only do things through Ryder and only with Ryder's premission. There was that clip from the Citadel DOC where the asari gunned down a group of LOKI mechs that had been taken over an AI, but it's not clear if they or the other Council races built it. As for humans and AI, that shows that AI'S can be created and not go all Skynet on the galaxy. Tru ebu tthe Quarian's didn' tshakle the Geth in fac tas I understood i tbased on wha tTali asid during the Geth's formation that the ycontinual yenhanced the Geth's capabilities. It' squiet possibl ethat the asm ething happened wit hth eMetacon war which was why they went rogue.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 5, 2020 22:26:37 GMT
No. What you wrote over my words makes absolutely no sense. It's not a "mercy killing". It's the complete and utter eradication of trillions of lives across the galaxy, to inflict the same fate you were supposedly trying to prevent them from experiencing. It's like saying "we cured this man's prostate cancer by giving him leukemia". No! It's equally bad, if not worse. I shouldn't even have to be pointing these things out to you.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 5, 2020 22:44:02 GMT
There was that clip from the Citadel DOC where the asari gunned down a group of LOKI mechs that had been taken over an AI, but it's not clear if they or the other Council races built it. As for humans and AI, that shows that AI'S can be created and not go all Skynet on the galaxy. Tru ebu tthe Quarian's didn' tshakle the Geth in fac tas I understood i tbased on wha tTali asid during the Geth's formation that the ycontinual yenhanced the Geth's capabilities. It' squiet possibl ethat the asm ething happened wit hth eMetacon war which was why they went rogue. Also, the geth are not true AI, not even with those upgrades the quarians gave them. They are GI, or Group Intelligence (I think it's called that, but I am unsure). They did not become true AI till you allow Legion to upload that code thing in ME3.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jul 5, 2020 23:29:57 GMT
We loved it until Mass Effect 3 ruined it. Mass Effect 3 didn't ruin anything. Get over yourselves. You cannot make a game that takes place in the same setting after the ending, in the Milky Way (which would have so many interesting ramifications if not for the last 10 minutes of ME3).
They completely changed the world, for no reason than to have "big stupid decision" at the end, and they're a flipswitch away from saying "Okay it didn't actually happen" or "It didn't happen exactly in the way we thought" and a new game set after ME3 is 1000% more interesting than dwelling on the non-statement of those shitty endings for the rest of my life.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2020 23:40:24 GMT
Tru ebu tthe Quarian's didn' tshakle the Geth in fac tas I understood i tbased on wha tTali asid during the Geth's formation that the ycontinual yenhanced the Geth's capabilities. It' squiet possibl ethat the asm ething happened wit hth eMetacon war which was why they went rogue. Also, the geth are not true AI, not even with those upgrades the quarians gave them. They are GI, or Group Intelligence (I think it's called that, but I am unsure). They did not become true AI till you allow Legion to upload that code thing in ME3. Any machine with the ability to think for itself is an AI as far as I'm concerned which to me makes the Geth AI's I wouldn' tsay tha tthey'reGI's as you put it as they just have the ability to share information with each other like people like me and you can do over the internet kind of thing. Due t obein gmachines just mean they can do it via digital transfer. The get hchos eto popose th eQuarian sto protec tthemselves. The Geth chose to ally themselves with Saren and Sovereign in ME1. The ycould have asid no we'd rather stay out of this like Legion's group did.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 5, 2020 23:43:11 GMT
Also, the geth are not true AI, not even with those upgrades the quarians gave them. They are GI, or Group Intelligence (I think it's called that, but I am unsure). They did not become true AI till you allow Legion to upload that code thing in ME3. Any machine with the ability to think for itself is an AI as far as I'm concerned which to me makes the Geth AI's I wouldn' tsay tha tthey'reGI's as you put it as they just have the ability to share information with each other like people like me and you can do over the internet kind of thing. Due t obein gmachines just mean they can do it via digital transfer. The get hchos eto popose th eQuarian sto protec tthemselves. The Geth chose to ally themselves with Saren and Sovereign in ME1. The ycould have asid no we'd rather stay out of this like Legion's group did. I'm not so sure that the ones that followed Sov did so on their own accord. Mainly due to that virus Sov infected into those geth.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 6, 2020 0:29:38 GMT
Any machine with the ability to think for itself is an AI as far as I'm concerned which to me makes the Geth AI's I wouldn' tsay tha tthey'reGI's as you put it as they just have the ability to share information with each other like people like me and you can do over the internet kind of thing. Due t obein gmachines just mean they can do it via digital transfer. The get hchos eto popose th eQuarian sto protec tthemselves. The Geth chose to ally themselves with Saren and Sovereign in ME1. The ycould have asid no we'd rather stay out of this like Legion's group did. I'm not so sure that the ones that followed Sov did so on their own accord. Mainly due to that virus Sov infected into those geth. I don' tremember it bein gsaid the ywere infected wit ha virus. From what I remembe rLegion asyin gthe ychos t oleav ethe main bod yo fGeth an dstart their own civilisation then later chose to join Sovereign
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 0:57:38 GMT
I'm not so sure that the ones that followed Sov did so on their own accord. Mainly due to that virus Sov infected into those geth. I don' tremember it bein gsaid the ywere infected wit ha virus. From what I remembe rLegion asyin gthe ychos t oleav ethe main bod yo fGeth an dstart their own civilisation then later chose to join Sovereign I have not played the MET in 5 years, so I may be remembering it wrong.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 6, 2020 1:42:22 GMT
I don' tremember it bein gsaid the ywere infected wit ha virus. From what I remembe rLegion asyin gthe ychos t oleav ethe main bod yo fGeth an dstart their own civilisation then later chose to join Sovereign I have not played the MET in 5 years, so I may be remembering it wrong. I played it a fwe months ago to see how it performed on my nwe PC now that I've gone back to an Intel CPU as the ME games were th efirst I installed on it so it's a little fresher in my mind but I am planning on doing another run soon after I'm finished with my Dragon Age run. But that's what I remember.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2020 1:45:09 GMT
No. What you wrote over my words makes absolutely no sense. It's not a "mercy killing". It's the complete and utter eradication of trillions of lives across the galaxy, to inflict the same fate you were supposedly trying to prevent them from experiencing. It's like saying "we cured this man's prostate cancer by giving him leukemia". No! It's equally bad, if not worse. I shouldn't even have to be pointing these things out to you. But it isn't inflicting the same fate. Organic races have been developing for millions of years without trouble. They are not wiped out to a man and the planets rendered near or completely uninhabitable. Or to put it another simpler way the difference between culling a herd and rendering the animal extinct. The Reapers carefully cull the herd so it remains alive and well. Were as the synthetic up rise would wipe the heard out rendering it extinct. How many billions of Quarins would have been alive if they didn't create the Geth?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2020 1:46:38 GMT
Any machine with the ability to think for itself is an AI as far as I'm concerned which to me makes the Geth AI's I wouldn' tsay tha tthey'reGI's as you put it as they just have the ability to share information with each other like people like me and you can do over the internet kind of thing. Due t obein gmachines just mean they can do it via digital transfer. The get hchos eto popose th eQuarian sto protec tthemselves. The Geth chose to ally themselves with Saren and Sovereign in ME1. The ycould have asid no we'd rather stay out of this like Legion's group did. I'm not so sure that the ones that followed Sov did so on their own accord. Mainly due to that virus Sov infected into those geth. If a Reaper could infect a group of Geth why wouldn't they infect the entire group and wield over whelming military capabilities to crush any resistance?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 1:48:50 GMT
No. What you wrote over my words makes absolutely no sense. It's not a "mercy killing". It's the complete and utter eradication of trillions of lives across the galaxy, to inflict the same fate you were supposedly trying to prevent them from experiencing. It's like saying "we cured this man's prostate cancer by giving him leukemia". No! It's equally bad, if not worse. I shouldn't even have to be pointing these things out to you. But it isn't inflicting the same fate. Organic races have been developing for millions of years without trouble. They are not wiped out to a man and the planets rendered near or completely uninhabitable. Or to put it another simpler way the difference between culling a herd and rendering the animal extinct. The Reapers carefully cull the herd so it remains alive and well. Were as the synthetic up rise would wipe the heard out rendering it extinct. How many billions of Quarins would have been alive if they didn't create the Geth? Save that they don't cull the herd, they wipe it out, turn it into too and then use it to make another Reaper.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 1:50:38 GMT
I'm not so sure that the ones that followed Sov did so on their own accord. Mainly due to that virus Sov infected into those geth. If a Reaper could infect a group of Geth why wouldn't they infect the entire group and wield over whelming military capabilities to crush any resistance? I don't really know, MET'S plotline is a mess to understand. As I said before I have not played it in 5 years. Edit: F🤬🤬king autocorrect! 😠
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2020 1:57:35 GMT
If a Reaper could infect a group of Geth why wouldn't they infect the entire group and wield over whelming military capabilities to crush any resistance? I don't really know, MET'S plotline is a need to understand. As I said before I have not played it in 5 years. The official reasoning at least explains this issue. As Legion makes it clear the Reaper offered the Geth a chance to improve themselves and a portion of them agreed to follow Sovereign. Developing a religious view of it because it was basically god like compared to them. Save that they don't cull the herd, they wipe it out, turn it into too and then use it to make another Reaper. And yet after the Protheans and all those other races were wiped out Humanity, Turian, Asari, Quarian, etc all developed.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 2:05:13 GMT
I don't really know, MET'S plotline is a need to understand. As I said before I have not played it in 5 years. The official reasoning at least explains this issue. As Legion makes it clear the Reaper offered the Geth a chance to improve themselves and a portion of them agreed to follow Sovereign. Developing a religious view of it because it was basically god like compared to them. Save that they don't cull the herd, they wipe it out, turn it into too and then use it to make another Reaper. And yet after the Protheans and all those other races were wiped out Humanity, Turian, Asari, Quarian, etc all developed. Only to be targeted in the next cycle (to which I take great pride in killing those oversized robot squids).
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 6, 2020 2:15:33 GMT
No, because writing for me is a past time hobby of mine. Having to go through the whole of MET again and finding all the things broken with it doesn't sound like fun, but hard work. And seeing as how I like to get paid for doing hard work, I don't feel inclined to waste my personal time going through a game I no longer enjoy playing. I think this is all perfectly fine criticism. No one gets insulted and you clearly are stating your concerns. Precisely what a productive discussion looks like it.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 2:21:11 GMT
No, because writing for me is a past time hobby of mine. Having to go through the whole of MET again and finding all the things broken with it doesn't sound like fun, but hard work. And seeing as how I like to get paid for doing hard work, I don't feel inclined to waste my personal time going through a game I no longer enjoy playing. I think this is all perfectly fine criticism. No one gets insulted and you clearly are stating your concerns. This is a productive discussion looks like it, and it was what I was stating we should have more often around these types of topics. At least that's sorted out then, and there was no name calling like "hater" or "troll", which is common among those who support the Mass Effect franchise. So that is a plus.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 6, 2020 2:27:14 GMT
At least that's sorted out then, and there was no name calling like "hater" or "troll", which is common among those who support the Mass Effect franchise. So that is a plus. There was no need to call you out but there's certainly a need with people who think developers are "burger flippers" or "fools". I have no problem with anyone making criticisms, but some people need to stop pretending there's no difference between saying "Hey Cadian, I think you didn't do the right thing here" and "Hey Cadian, you're a talentless hack".
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 2:30:44 GMT
At least that's sorted out then, and there was no name calling like "hater" or "troll", which is common among those who support the Mass Effect franchise. So that is a plus. There was no need to call you out but there's certainly a need with people who think developers are "burger flippers" or "fools". I have no problem with anyone making criticisms, but some people need to stop pretending there's no difference between saying "Hey Cadian, I think you didn't do the right thing here" and "Hey Cadian, you're a talentless hack". Honestly, there's fault on both sides of the board. To say only one group is in the right and the other is not is total BS. At least, that's my take on it all.
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