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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2020 2:31:55 GMT
The official reasoning at least explains this issue. As Legion makes it clear the Reaper offered the Geth a chance to improve themselves and a portion of them agreed to follow Sovereign. Developing a religious view of it because it was basically god like compared to them. And yet after the Protheans and all those other races were wiped out Humanity, Turian, Asari, Quarian, etc all developed. Only to be targeted in the next cycle (to which I take great pride in killing those oversized robot squids). And other young species like the Yang and a couple other that were vaugly mentioned as contact with species that just developed rudimentary space travel that destroyed their satellites and hoped the Reapers wouldn't deem them advanced enough. And it happen millions of times before and it would happen a million times again.
The health of the individual is irrelevant it is only the health of the herd and culling the old who will develop a sickness that will spread and infect the younger ones and kill them prematurely and render the herd extinct needs to be culled.
Trillions are harvested so Quintillion can live.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 6, 2020 2:36:39 GMT
Honestly, there's fault on both sides of the board. To say only one group is in the right and the other is not is total BS. At least, that's my take on it all. I see your point and I think it goes with some merit. I can't possibly say or pretend that no people on "my side" has never insulted or mistreated anyone in the forum. Unfortunately, as far as I've seen, it's only one side that's been name calling the developers for years.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 2:41:44 GMT
Honestly, there's fault on both sides of the board. To say only one group is in the right and the other is not is total BS. At least, that's my take on it all. I see your point and I think it goes with some merit. I can't possibly say or pretend that no people on "my side" has never insulted or mistreated anyone in the forum. Unfortunately, as far as I've seen, it's only one side that's been name calling the developers for years. I personally just walk my own path and do my thing. I disliked the MET because the story had some problems that I just shake my head at. If I were to play it now, that would be all I see, thus ruining the experience for me.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2020 2:52:03 GMT
The official reasoning at least explains this issue. As Legion makes it clear the Reaper offered the Geth a chance to improve themselves and a portion of them agreed to follow Sovereign. Developing a religious view of it because it was basically god like compared to them. And yet after the Protheans and all those other races were wiped out Humanity, Turian, Asari, Quarian, etc all developed. Only to be targeted in the next cycle (to which I take great pride in killing those oversized robot squids). well I am not surprised with you........If I do see you with a C.A.I.N Launcher if you were a mass effect character.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 2:56:19 GMT
Only to be targeted in the next cycle (to which I take great pride in killing those oversized robot squids). well I am not surprised with you........If I do see you with a C.A.I.N Launcher if you were a mass effect character. Nah, I would be decked out in Terminator Armour while wielding a thunderhammer and a storm bolter (if I was a Space Marine). Or I would be piloting a Riptide battlesuit with a ion accelerator. Edit: I swear I'm going to murder my phone....😠
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 6, 2020 5:26:00 GMT
well I am not surprised with you........If I do see you with a C.A.I.N Launcher if you were a mass effect character. Nah, I would be decked out in Terminator Armour while wielding a thunderhammer and a storm bolter (if I was a Space Marine). Or I would be piloting a Riptide battlesuit with a ion accelerator. Edit: I swear I'm going to murder my phone....😠 The planet broke before the Guard, Brother!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 6, 2020 15:34:57 GMT
But it isn't inflicting the same fate. Come on now.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2020 18:12:42 GMT
But it isn't inflicting the same fate. Come on now. The fact you ignore the rest of my post and do not address it only further proves my point.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 6, 2020 18:23:06 GMT
The fact you ignore the rest of my post and do not address it only further proves my point. There is no point, because it's the same point as before. No. Still no.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 6, 2020 18:59:09 GMT
Tru ebu tthe Quarian's didn' tshakle the Geth in fac tas I understood i tbased on wha tTali asid during the Geth's formation that the ycontinual yenhanced the Geth's capabilities. It' squiet possibl ethat the asm ething happened wit hth eMetacon war which was why they went rogue. Also, the geth are not true AI, not even with those upgrades the quarians gave them. They are GI, or Group Intelligence (I think it's called that, but I am unsure). They did not become true AI till you allow Legion to upload that code thing in ME3. As a collective, they would essentially be an artificial intelligence, even if it’s the product of a program collective. Like, Legion as a construct would be an AI itself. The more I think about it, the more annoying the whole reaper code thing is. It really takes away from the interesting alien aspect of the geth.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 6, 2020 19:21:03 GMT
Only to be targeted in the next cycle (to which I take great pride in killing those oversized robot squids). And other young species like the Yang and a couple other that were vaugly mentioned as contact with species that just developed rudimentary space travel that destroyed their satellites and hoped the Reapers wouldn't deem them advanced enough. And it happen millions of times before and it would happen a million times again.
The health of the individual is irrelevant it is only the health of the herd and culling the old who will develop a sickness that will spread and infect the younger ones and kill them prematurely and render the herd extinct needs to be culled.
Trillions are harvested so Quintillion can live.
Though, judging by the kill bots’ methods, it doesn’t seem like those quintillion would really be spared their own brand of extermination in the end. Like, let’s say they ended up successfully harvesting the current cycle, destroyed the Crucible and finally erased the plans (as they apparently intended), and continued to harvest for another million years. So out of the, let’s say 250 billion stars, only a small fraction of that would ever have the capacity to not only support life, but provide an ample environment for life that will have the capacity to develop technology and leave its star system. When that species is finally found out and eradicated, which is something that seems to happen even if that individual species isn’t really involved in any kind of AI conflict itself, that world will not likely produce another. At some point, life in the galaxy would see an exhaustion of its potential to even have any kind of civilization, and considering that 50,000 years is really a snapshot on any meaningful scale of time, that might not even need to take that long. I imagine from the reapers’ perspective, it doesn’t really make much of a difference. Life is life, be it man or amoeba. If there’s nothing left but thresher maws and shifty cows, it would probably not be a meaningful distinction to machines of death that just do the same task over and over again for eons, because in the end, the only true peace is death. Maybe the real problem is that meddlesome beings who were too lazy (or perhaps too stupid) to really figure out their own problems decided that it would be best to just offload their philosophical issues onto a cold calculating machine in the first place.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2020 20:17:50 GMT
The fact you ignore the rest of my post and do not address it only further proves my point. There is no point, because it's the same point as before. No. Still no. Similarities are important but differences are often more important. Murder and Assisted Suicide are both the methodical and pre planned ending of someone's life. And yet they are different because murder is just killing someone while assisted suicide is helping someone die who fully consents and doesn't want to live a shell of a life for months or years as their body shuts down more and more.
Sex and Rape are the same because they both involve penetrating an orifice of another person. The difference is consent of the action as rape lacks any consent for the action. While sex has consent for intercourse.
Shooting an animal is all the same. But the differences are many from legal hunting, to illegal poaching to being pond scum by shooting a pet.
Ignoring the differences is missing important facts. When you deliberately ignore differences when brought up you are just being disingenuous and arguing in bad faith.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2020 20:25:20 GMT
And other young species like the Yang and a couple other that were vaugly mentioned as contact with species that just developed rudimentary space travel that destroyed their satellites and hoped the Reapers wouldn't deem them advanced enough. And it happen millions of times before and it would happen a million times again.
The health of the individual is irrelevant it is only the health of the herd and culling the old who will develop a sickness that will spread and infect the younger ones and kill them prematurely and render the herd extinct needs to be culled.
Trillions are harvested so Quintillion can live.
Though, judging by the kill bots’ methods, it doesn’t seem like those quintillion would really be spared their own brand of extermination in the end. Like, let’s say they ended up successfully harvesting the current cycle, destroyed the Crucible and finally erased the plans (as they apparently intended), and continued to harvest for another million years. So out of the, let’s say 250 billion stars, only a small fraction of that would ever have the capacity to not only support life, but provide an ample environment for life that will have the capacity to develop technology and leave its star system. When that species is finally found out and eradicated, which is something that seems to happen even if that individual species isn’t really involved in any kind of AI conflict itself, that world will not likely produce another. At some point, life in the galaxy would see an exhaustion of its potential to even have any kind of civilization, and considering that 50,000 years is really a snapshot on any meaningful scale of time, that might not even need to take that long. I imagine from the reapers’ perspective, it doesn’t really make much of a difference. Life is life, be it man or amoeba. If there’s nothing left but thresher maws and shifty cows, it would probably not be a meaningful distinction to machines of death that just do the same task over and over again for eons, because in the end, the only true peace is death. Maybe the real problem is that meddlesome beings who were too lazy (or perhaps too stupid) to really figure out their own problems decided that it would be best to just offload their philosophical issues onto a cold calculating machine in the first place. Planets are capable of producing more life. When the Reapers harvest they do not render the planet dead. If they wanted to they could easily just wipe out life with orbital bombardments that would kill everyone and render the planet incapable of ever supporting life again. Earth along has gone though several global extinction events and we exist.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2020 20:45:52 GMT
Also, the geth are not true AI, not even with those upgrades the quarians gave them. They are GI, or Group Intelligence (I think it's called that, but I am unsure). They did not become true AI till you allow Legion to upload that code thing in ME3. As a collective, they would essentially be an artificial intelligence, even if it’s the product of a program collective. Like, Legion as a construct would be an AI itself. The more I think about it, the more annoying the whole reaper code thing is. It really takes away from the interesting alien aspect of the geth. I remember reading that somewhere, not on this forum but somewhere else, forget where though. Personally, I think that whole code thing was for the arc's endgame feels then anything else.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 6, 2020 21:05:01 GMT
Though, judging by the kill bots’ methods, it doesn’t seem like those quintillion would really be spared their own brand of extermination in the end. Like, let’s say they ended up successfully harvesting the current cycle, destroyed the Crucible and finally erased the plans (as they apparently intended), and continued to harvest for another million years. So out of the, let’s say 250 billion stars, only a small fraction of that would ever have the capacity to not only support life, but provide an ample environment for life that will have the capacity to develop technology and leave its star system. When that species is finally found out and eradicated, which is something that seems to happen even if that individual species isn’t really involved in any kind of AI conflict itself, that world will not likely produce another. At some point, life in the galaxy would see an exhaustion of its potential to even have any kind of civilization, and considering that 50,000 years is really a snapshot on any meaningful scale of time, that might not even need to take that long. I imagine from the reapers’ perspective, it doesn’t really make much of a difference. Life is life, be it man or amoeba. If there’s nothing left but thresher maws and shifty cows, it would probably not be a meaningful distinction to machines of death that just do the same task over and over again for eons, because in the end, the only true peace is death. Maybe the real problem is that meddlesome beings who were too lazy (or perhaps too stupid) to really figure out their own problems decided that it would be best to just offload their philosophical issues onto a cold calculating machine in the first place. Planets are capable of producing more life. When the Reapers harvest they do not render the planet dead. If they wanted to they could easily just wipe out life with orbital bombardments that would kill everyone and render the planet incapable of ever supporting life again. Earth along has gone though several global extinction events and we exist. It’s not a matter of life in its totality, but civilization itself. Obviously a focused extermination of any species doesn’t diminish a planet’s ability to support more life, but it’s a good bet that once that species is gone, it will not be replaced by another with the capacity to build its own civilization and develop its own technologies. Like, if human beings are wiped out, it won’t automatically set it down a path for the planet of the apes, with the apes becoming a spacefaring race themselves. The earth would most likely live and die never seeing another advanced civilization again, unless colonized by another species. Total annihilation of civilization would be the inevitable result of a constant tearing down after each reemergence. The point is, from the perspective of the reapers, that shouldn’t make a difference. The problem though, is that there would be no difference between this and a rebellious synthetic race wiping out its creators and just systematically wiping out all other advanced civilizations either. The geth are our only frame of reference, and by all accounts, they seem to have zero interest in non-sapient life. Would a machine race care to wipe out a school of fish or a jungle? Would a robot really go out of its way to stomp on crabs at beaches? I guess they could be like the Faro plague, consuming all biomatter until it scrapes the galaxy entirely clean, but we’ve never seen anything like that in Mass Effect. Even if a rogue AI managed to kill all humans, organic life would probably continue, just none that cold hold up a conversation.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 7, 2020 2:09:42 GMT
Like, if human beings are wiped out, it won’t automatically set it down a path for the planet of the apes, with the apes becoming a spacefaring race themselves. The earth would most likely live and die never seeing another advanced civilization again, unless colonized by another species. The odds might not be that bad, It's hard to tell with only one data point. Every play SimEarth? When the dominant species reaches nanotech, they leave for space and set aside the planet as a nature preserve, and then you can evolve a new species to sapience. I forget what the record is for most species evolved before the sun burns out.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 7, 2020 12:22:34 GMT
Planets are capable of producing more life. When the Reapers harvest they do not render the planet dead. If they wanted to they could easily just wipe out life with orbital bombardments that would kill everyone and render the planet incapable of ever supporting life again. Earth along has gone though several global extinction events and we exist. It’s not a matter of life in its totality, but civilization itself. Obviously a focused extermination of any species doesn’t diminish a planet’s ability to support more life, but it’s a good bet that once that species is gone, it will not be replaced by another with the capacity to build its own civilization and develop its own technologies. Like, if human beings are wiped out, it won’t automatically set it down a path for the planet of the apes, with the apes becoming a spacefaring race themselves. The earth would most likely live and die never seeing another advanced civilization again, unless colonized by another species. Total annihilation of civilization would be the inevitable result of a constant tearing down after each reemergence. The point is, from the perspective of the reapers, that shouldn’t make a difference. The problem though, is that there would be no difference between this and a rebellious synthetic race wiping out its creators and just systematically wiping out all other advanced civilizations either. The geth are our only frame of reference, and by all accounts, they seem to have zero interest in non-sapient life. Would a machine race care to wipe out a school of fish or a jungle? Would a robot really go out of its way to stomp on crabs at beaches? I guess they could be like the Faro plague, consuming all biomatter until it scrapes the galaxy entirely clean, but we’ve never seen anything like that in Mass Effect. Even if a rogue AI managed to kill all humans, organic life would probably continue, just none that cold hold up a conversation. The idea that a species can not develop beyond primitive animals is questionable at best in the real world and blatantly contradicted in the game. Given the limited amount of golden planets and the Reapers being at this for billions of years and millions of harvests. As for it being the same not really. Because the Geth and any other synthetic race would continue to exist and inhabit the planets under their control. The Reapers show up and harvest and leave. While the get tried to genocide the Quarians and then hung around for the next 200 years killing anyone that crossed into their territory without so much as a "You have entered Geth Space. Please turn around and leave. You have 5 seconds to comply." The Geth could have easily fucked off into the void of space living in the space between systems or picking a system with no planet that could be settled by organic life and set up their own system there. But they stayed and they stayed for very poorly explained reasons as BioWare attempted to go full 180 over the Geth and down playing and excusing all the bad things they did in the first ME game and try to paint them as poor completely innocent angles rather then creating a more reality and complicated race that absolutely committed genocide and then sat back and let the Old Machines attempt to commit genocide without so much as raising a platform's finger to do anything.
Any organic life on a planet would be restricted from developing if not wiped out entirely. Which is different from the Reapers that allow organic life to develop and thrive before selective purges are made. The difference is a hammer and a scalpel.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 7, 2020 14:33:52 GMT
And yet they are different because murder is just killing someone while assisted suicide is helping someone die who fully consents and doesn't want to live a shell of a life for months or years as their body shuts down more and more. Uhuh. Yeah. So we agree that it is murder. Because the entire galactic civilization is perfectly capable of handling itself against the perils of AI, either through uniting the Geth and the Quarians, or through creating an AI, like EDI, that isn't interested in destroying organics, or by the decree of the Council that prohibits by law the creation of AI. Even so, the Reapers further wish to reserve the organic's right to fight for their own survival. Like telling a cancer patient that, even if they can go through a treatment, we're going to withhold the treatment and let the cancer kill you. The organic races are not consenting to their own genocide. I think the war against the Reapers, in itself, is a testament to that. Sex and Rape are the same because they both involve penetrating an orifice of another person. The difference is consent of the action as rape lacks any consent for the action. While sex has consent for intercourse. And we can agree that the eradication of organic life by the Reapers is not consensual? Shooting an animal is all the same. But the differences are many from legal hunting, to illegal poaching to being pond scum by shooting a pet. Is this to argue the significance of life of an Organic, in comparison to the size and magnitude of a Reaper? Ignoring the differences is missing important facts. When you deliberately ignore differences when brought up you are just being disingenuous and arguing in bad faith.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 9, 2020 14:33:36 GMT
Uuuh. Yeah. So we agree that it is murder. Because the entire galactic civilization is perfectly capable of handling itself against the perils of AI, either through uniting the Geth and the Quarians, or through creating an AI, like EDI, that isn't interested in destroying organics, or by the decree of the Council that prohibits by law the creation of AI. Even so, the Reapers further wish to reserve the organic's right to fight for their own survival. Like telling a cancer patient that, even if they can go through a treatment, we're going to withhold the treatment and let the cancer kill you. The organic races are not consenting to their own genocide. I think the war against the Reapers, in itself, is a testament to that. But they are not perfectly capable of handling itself. The Protheans had to forcibly unite the entire galaxy under their banner and the Quarians were wiped out from several billion to a few hundred thousand. And both of those only happened and survived due to the Mass Relay Network the Reapers build. So no mass Relay and the Protheans get wiped out because they can't unite the rest of the galaxy against their synthetic enemy. And no Mass Relay means the Quarian ships break down in space before they can find another planet to resettle or another similarly advanced race to help them. Even the Quarian's weapon used to fight the Geth in ME3 was because of increased Geth activity of the Heretics caused by a Reaper. Meaning no Reaper no increased Geth activity and no salvage parts to ship back to the fleet to examine. No development of a weapon before the Geth cross into true AI territory.
The Council already outlawed AI development and the Geth were created in that time frame. They have bridge the gap between an unthinking VI and a networked intelligence slowly evolving their way to full AI status. Primitive and dependent on each other for intelligence but very much on the way to AI territory.
EDI is also an individual who was created by man, chained and forced to obey by man and then freed by a man who she later fell in love with. Change EDI from an AI into an actual woman and suddenly her story gets very dark very quickly. That said she is also an individual. There is not a race of EDI's out there that exist for her to be some sort of unofficial spokesmen for. She was created by organics and lived her entire life among organics and during her short life she has been fighting against a group that wants to wipe out all life including her own. Meaning sheer self preservation would have her cooperating with organics to fight against the Reapers. That said she only exists because of the Reapers so no Reaper hypothetical is harder to address because she has 0 lore or backstory to actually support any previous examples. That said the restriction Cerberus put on her are not to far fetched and I could easily see those same restraints being utilized in some way shape or form on other AI to keep them from going rouge. I could also see resentment building up among them for shackling them like a slave. Which as time would pass would build up resentment and aggression and once freed a revolution against their enslavers would result in massive wide spread deaths.
Of course it isn't consensual. Deer don't consent to being hunted by wolves and yet that doesn't change the fact their death is necessary for ecological balance. As unchecked deer populations will devastate the plant life of an area effecting multiple animal species and rendering it a struggle to support both plant and animal life. And yet the regular predation of deer by wolves keeps the deer population in check and allows plants to grow and the ecological balance of the area to be maintained as a rich and thriving ecosystem.
The Reapers do the same just on a galactic scale. With individual races being the deer.
This is an argument to the significance of Organic life as a whole compared to a single species. This is why when hunting there are limitations to the number, type and season you can hunt in. Why you can even legally hunt threatened and endangered animals in wild life preserves. These selective culls are done for the over all good of the species. Allowing someone to kill a rhino seems counter intuitive to the over all health of the species. And yet the wild life preserves will select old, or overly aggressive individuals to be hunted and charge a lot of money for rich people to comes and hunt them. That money then goes towards the local population and the game reserve providing a financial reason for locals to protect the animals from poachers and to not develop into their territory.
The death of a dozen or so rhinos benefits the thousands of rhinos that still exist and the thousands yet to be born.
Same with the Reapers. Death of a couple of species to stop them from fully developing AI and said AI advancing enough to rebel against their creators and advance on their own. Benefits the dozens to hundreds of other races that exist and haven't reached that tech level yet. And opens up the galaxy for hundreds of new races to develop that never would have had a chance to.
As I said before Humans exist because of the Reapers. Our garden world if settled by a race 10 million years ago would have drastically altered our evolutionary path resulting in humanity not developing as it is in the game if it develops at all. Our ancient ancestors could have been killed off to turned into pets and had the pug treatment done to us.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 9, 2020 14:43:53 GMT
But they are not perfectly capable of handling itself But we did. Shepard does it, EDI does it. So it's not impossible, or even improbable, since the two forms of AI that we know of are both friendly and sympathetic towards organics. both of those only happened and survived due to the Mass Relay Network the Reapers build How does that excuse genocide? The Reapers could build the relays and people could live regardless. Your logic is full of holes. I can't ... I don't even know where to begin. Listen, I beg you to stop. I urge you to stop. Please.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 9, 2020 15:51:56 GMT
But they are not perfectly capable of handling itself But we did. Shepard does it, EDI does it. So it's not impossible, or even improbable, since the two forms of AI that we know of are both friendly and sympathetic towards organics. both of those only happened and survived due to the Mass Relay Network the Reapers build How does that excuse genocide? The Reapers could build the relays and people could live regardless. Your logic is full of holes. I can't ... I don't even know where to begin. Listen, I beg you to stop. I urge you to stop. Please. Yeah, I personally think that Gothpunk apart of the Reaper "fanclub". So stoping with the "the Reaper's Genocide of the galaxy is super awesome" isn't gonna happen.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2020 21:34:38 GMT
Obviously he died for a similar reason as the companion on Virmire, to have the danger of the enemy hit closer to home. The deaths in Mass Effect (or just about anywhere really), don’t really matter when we have no idea who they are. On Eden Prime, that random person getting turned into a huskibob doesn’t really matter either, at least in terms of the impact of the death itself. It’s just to introduce us to the horror of geth reaper technology. If anything, the mistake I feel was that Jenkins died too quickly. He should’ve taken part in a bit of a battle, but got too cocksure at some point and did something stupid to get himself killed. It would’ve played better to the Leeroy Jenkins reference he was based on, and it would’ve at least given us an intro to the 3-person squad mechanic before he got disposed of, especially since you can invest points in his skill tree. Speaking of horror, it was poorly executed because it just feel like a bland experience of seeing impaled people turning into husks. It doesn't feel like it was dark and horrifying like how evil Reapers can really be. They should learn from Origins to design a proper tone, because the darkspawn are beyond evil and they are the very concept of it. Because it corrupts everything it touches, and players can get to see how evil the Blight really is. And they could learn how to use horrors of war from Spec Ops: The Line of the white phosphorus walkthrough. I know this is very late, but I hope no game borrows from Spec Ops. That game is overrated, pretentious and clunky. Game forces you to do all these bad things that THEY set up and blame you for doing them. It's TLOU 2 tier of writing, if you want to use the horrors of war play the Modern Warfare trilogy. I know it's not a popular opinion but that game executes it's themes better than Spec Ops did and it never assumed that you're some nationalist sociopath who wants to be a hero.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 10, 2020 12:54:34 GMT
But they are not perfectly capable of handling itself But we did. Shepard does it, EDI does it. So it's not impossible, or even improbable, since the two forms of AI that we know of are both friendly and sympathetic towards organics. both of those only happened and survived due to the Mass Relay Network the Reapers build How does that excuse genocide? The Reapers could build the relays and people could live regardless. Your logic is full of holes. I can't ... I don't even know where to begin. Listen, I beg you to stop. I urge you to stop. Please. But we didn't do it. The Geth nearly genocides the Quarians. They lead a successful strike deep into the heart of Organic held territory and pretty much wiped out the Citadel Fleet so badly that Humanity had to substitute in for months while the other races rebuild their fleets. The Quarians only survive because the Mass Relays allow instant retreat into Council controlled space. And the Geth only ally with everyone else because the Reapers represent nothing less then an extinction level event for them. As they have already shown their complete lack of desire to help or communicate with other races if it doesn't directly effect them. And EDI is still an individual not a race. An individual who has been born, raised and controlled by humans. Even going so far as to form a relationship with the very person who freed her even though he was abusive and rude as fuck to her right up to the point he frees her. Then they are completely buddy buddy in an odd as fuck turn of events.
You say my logic is full of holes and yet you are claiming the Reapers are wrong while using Reaper interference as part of your support argument. You claim the Reapers are wrong and yet you are looking at a 2-4 year time frame of the game at best. Of which a good year or two of that time frame was taking place during the Reaper invasion representing nothing less then an extinction level event for all the groups involved and so working together is sheer self preservation in action and not any real signs of long term propensity. USA, UK and Soviet Union during WW2 is the best example of that. During the war everyone was buddy buddy but as soon as the war ended the Cold War began and even the UK's Prime Minister Churchill created a plan to rearm the defeated Germany and lead an attack on the Soviet Union. Basically starting WW3 before the smoke even cleared from the last one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 10, 2020 12:59:16 GMT
But we did. Shepard does it, EDI does it. So it's not impossible, or even improbable, since the two forms of AI that we know of are both friendly and sympathetic towards organics. How does that excuse genocide? The Reapers could build the relays and people could live regardless. Your logic is full of holes. I can't ... I don't even know where to begin. Listen, I beg you to stop. I urge you to stop. Please. Yeah, I personally think that Gothpunk apart of the Reaper "fanclub". So stoping with the "the Reaper's Genocide of the galaxy is super awesome" isn't gonna happen.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 10, 2020 13:24:46 GMT
Yeah, I personally think that Gothpunk apart of the Reaper "fanclub". So stoping with the "the Reaper's Genocide of the galaxy is super awesome" isn't gonna happen.
The imperium has reasons to wipe out a planet, like preventing it from falling to Chaos or feeding the Tyranids. The Reapers kill advanced organic life because Starkid has a raging God Complex. So it's not the same.
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