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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 14:16:15 GMT
gothpunkboy89Alright, Bioware accommodated all these outcomes. And people still weren't satisfied and the title crashed and the broke the franchise along with it. It caused enough brand damage to put people off Bioware games and it killed Andromeda effectively on release. Andromeda isn't just an entirely different kettle of fish , it's a continuation of the franchise and the next step of a sci-fi gaming giant moving forward. I genuinely don't understand what the hell you mean by this And this is the end point of the conversation, because you continually do not understand, no matter how many times I've tried to explain.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 17, 2020 15:37:58 GMT
gothpunkboy89 Alright, Bioware accommodated all these outcomes. And people still weren't satisfied and the title crashed and the broke the franchise along with it. It caused enough brand damage to put people off Bioware games and it killed Andromeda effectively on release. Andromeda isn't just an entirely different kettle of fish , it's a continuation of the franchise and the next step of a sci-fi gaming giant moving forward. I genuinely don't understand what the hell you mean by this And this is the end point of the conversation, because you continually do not understand, no matter how many times I've tried to explain. BioWare didn't accommodate all of these outcomes. That is why I listed specific things I would personally change based on my opinion on what needed to be changed.
What do you mean broke the franchise and caused brand damage and killed Andromeda on release? You are making a lot of assumptions here. Since ME3 BioWare has released 3 games. DA Inquisition which sold roughly 6 million copies, Andromeda which sold roughly 5 million copies and Anthem sold around4-5 million copies. And from what I can find ME3 was the highest selling Mass Effect game and sold around 5 million copies No one has ever gone "Well I really liked DA:I but that Mass Effect 3 means I have to hate it now even though I had a good time." I've seen plenty of complaints about Anthem online and all of them are because of the faults of the game Anthem and none of them are because of ME3.
Hell I have my own problems with Andromeda but none of them are because of ME3 outside of my sheer bafflement at people getting so indignant over the suggestion that BioWare have a canonical ending to ME3 on which to build off Andromeda. My issues are a mediocre story that doesn't grab me the way it was with the MET. With a number of eye rollingly stupid moments. Like the ending were a group of lightly armed transport shuttles charge at a fleet of heavily armed Kett ships ans survives because plot reasons. Or the Initiative heads hundreds of years into the unknown armed with only small arms despite a wealth of knowledge about aggressive intelligent races in the Milky way. Only to run into the Kett who can easily wipe out the Initiative at any time but don't because plot reasons. Best highlighted when the Kett attack and take the Hyperion Ark hostage without any real difficulty. Or the Kett lacking any apparent equivalent to VI or AI and yet injects something into Ryder and then magically learns all about it and how to magically control SAM even though SAM as a fully realized AI would easily be able to contradict his orders without some programing requirement forcing SAM to do things.
You are making massive assumptions and forcing them to conform to your world view. Your statements have been the video game equivalent of flat earthers saying that the earth can not be round or all of the water would be gathered at the bottom and Australia would be under water and there would be no ocean up around Canada.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 15:45:48 GMT
DA Inquisition which sold roughly 6 million copies Source? Andromeda which sold roughly 5 million copies Source? Anthem sold around4-5 million copies Source? Also, are you going to argue the existence of brand damage? Are you going to argue that the reception of ME3 did not cause brand damage? Or that the brand damage sustained was contained within ME3 itself, with no long lasting effects in future Bioware titles? Because I can prove a downward trend across all Bioware properties, since the release of ME3. You are making massive assumptions and forcing them to conform to your world view You are disregarding real world effects and established concepts to fit your view. You're the flat earther.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 17, 2020 16:25:29 GMT
I don't really see the logic in the assumption about banter. Vega has banter with Joker and Garrus outside of his back and forth with Cortez and that one bit with Javik, so obviously a new character may interact with some old ones. And yet he has no dialogue with t'soni on the ship. Why is that? I would be interested in the dialogue between Williams, t'soni and Lawson. With Vakarian, I don't see them talking since he was not in favor of her wanting to be fireteam leader. They would likely keep their distance. Lawson wouldn't have too much of an issue talking with the edibot. I don't see her talking with Tali. Why is anyone’s guess, but I think more is being read into that than what’s really there. Vega has plenty of banter throughout the game, just not with Liara. Simplest explanation would probably be that the writers just overlooked any potential dynamic to establish between the two characters. That doesn’t mean that this would necessarily apply to another character that could have returned to the ship. One character doesn’t really establish a pattern.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 17, 2020 16:53:51 GMT
DA Inquisition which sold roughly 6 million copies Source?
Dragon Age: Inquisition debuted at No. 5 in UK in its first launch week. According to retail monitor Chart-Track, it had sold almost the exact amount of launch week copies as 2011's Dragon Age II.[92] This does not take into account direct digital download sales however,[93] which have been noted to be a "significant percentage of sales" by BioWare[94] and thus the true number of sales is higher. According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold.[95]
Mass Effect: Andromeda was the third-best-selling game of March 2017.[132] It led the United Kingdom in physical sales during its first two weeks of release.[133] As of August, it was the seventh best-selling game of the year.[134] However, it eventually dropped out of the year-end top ten.[135] The game had the second-best physical launch in the series after Mass Effect 3.[132] Andromeda’s digital revenues only increased by mid-single-digit percentages against 2012’s Mass Effect 3, despite substantial growth in digital sales since then. Further, Andromeda on PC sold less than the 349,000 PC digital units Mass Effect 3 sold in its launch month.[136]
Prior to the release of Mass Effect: Andromeda, Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Blake Jorgensen projected that it would sell 3 million units before the end of March, and 6 to 9 million units during its lifetime.[137] BioWare General Manager Aaryn Flynn predicted that it would sell at least 5 million copies worldwide.[138] Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter estimated that Mass Effect: Andromeda sold at least 2.5 million units in its opening quarter, resulting in $110 million in revenue.[139] The closest that EA has come to noting an exact figure was in their fourth quarter (Q4) of fiscal year 2017 (FY17) notes for investors, which stated that $53 million of the game's net sales related to its special editions were to be captured in Q1 FY18 instead of Q4 FY17 (the quarter of its release) for accounting purposes.[140]
During EA's Q3 FY18 earnings call on January 30, 2018, EA Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Andrew Wilson was asked a general question about the company's non-sports titles, which had performed below expectations. As part of his answer, Wilson noted, "...if you look at Mass Effect [Andromeda], while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong."[141]
Anthem has failed to meet Electronic Arts' sales expectations. With a target set at 6 million copies to be sold by the end of March, EA CEO Andrew Wilson said Anthem did not reach the sales goal, while EA CFO Blake Jorgensen admitted that more money was expected to come from the game's microtransactions as well.[55] In June 2019, Andrew Wilson reiterated how Anthem was not working as planned in keeping players engaged, although he stated that BioWare would continue to support the game.[56] Commercial performance
Anthem topped retail sales charts in the UK during its first week of release, although its total launch week retail sales matched half of those of BioWare's previous game Mass Effect: Andromeda.[57] In Japan, Anthem reached the top of the sales charts with 78,000 copies sold at launch.[58] In North America, according to NPD data tracking, "Anthem represents the second-highest launch month sales ever recorded for a BioWare developed game, trailing only the March 2012 release of Mass Effect 3".[59]
Anthem was at the top of PS4 downloaded video games via PlayStation Store by March 2019.[60] SuperData reported that the game had earned over $100 million in digital revenue in February 2019, of which $3.5 million came from in-game purchases.[61]
Sadly we do not have all the data and unless EA releases all of the data we will have an incomplete picture. However from what can be gathered on launch all 3 of these games were close if not out sold Mass Effect 3 for the same time period. And the sales drop off on ME:A and Anthem are due to the game specific issues that exist or existed. Like the shitty facial animation and lot of bugs on release for Andromeda. Or the aimless boring and repetitive story in Anthem. All of them were financial successes but not as much critical successes.
So if your logic that because of ME3 is broke the series and killed people's willingness to play games by BioWare then these games should not have been able to reach the same level as Mass Effect 3's launch. But they did reach that level and it was only AFTER players got their hands on the individual games and actually played them and reviews and opinions started to form around them based on the individual games did the sales drop off. Mass Effect 3 didn't hurt Andromeda. It was Andromeda that hurt Andromeda and the game sales prove this.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 17:18:59 GMT
Dragon Age: Inquisition debuted at No. 5 in UK in its first launch week. According to retail monitor Chart-Track, it had sold almost the exact amount of launch week copies as 2011's Dragon Age II.[92] This does not take into account direct digital download sales however,[93] which have been noted to be a "significant percentage of sales" by BioWare[94] and thus the true number of sales is higher. According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold.[95] No numbers and "most successful launch" is vague AF. Mass Effect: Andromeda sold at least 2.5 million units in its opening quarter, resulting in $110 million in revenue. Nowhere close to 5 million copies sold and it took an entire Quarter to reach that 2.5 million number, whereas Mass Effect 2, in the midst of a Great Recession sold, granted, in 2 million copies in its first week. So yes, it did worse. over $100 million in digital revenue in February 2019, of which $3.5 million came from in-game purchases Again, no numbers. So you have nothing. Your claims are unreliable, at best. So if your logic that because of ME3 is broke the series and killed people's willingness to play games by BioWare then these games should not have been able to reach the same level as Mass Effect 3's launch None of them did. But they did reach that level None of them did. All of them did worse. Even Anthem, that was targeting an entirely new market segment did worse and that's after lying about the entire game, to bolster initial sales, at any cost. Mass Effect 3 didn't hurt Andromeda I'm sorry you disagree that brand damage exists. Todd Howard said you're naive.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 17:21:49 GMT
gothpunkboy89 Stop feeding them. They're a troll who will never admit they are wrong about anything.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 17:28:07 GMT
They're a troll who will never admit they are wrong about anything Prove me wrong. I want to see those numbers. All the numbers so far prove me right.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 17, 2020 17:39:35 GMT
gothpunkboy89 Stop feeding them. They're a troll who will never admit they are wrong about anything. Yea at this point that seems to be the case. I went into this expecting someone with strong opinions that would be hesitant to view something that doesn't agree with them. But when I literally source my information and they claim the numbers are incorrect and yet their magical numbers are their sources it is pretty clear it is just a troll at this point.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 17, 2020 17:41:21 GMT
They're a troll who will never admit they are wrong about anything Prove me wrong. I want to see those numbers. All the numbers so far prove me right. I did. You said the numbers are false and never provided your own source. So by all means get your 100% accurate sources and show me how many copies ME 2, ME3, DA:I, ME:A and Anthem have sold in 1 year. I will await your sources. Otherwise you are pulling shit out of your ass trying to tell everyone it is roses.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 17:51:21 GMT
I did. You said the numbers are false and never provided your own source. So by all means get your 100% accurate sources and show me how many copies ME 2, ME3, DA:I, ME:A and Anthem have sold in 1 year. I will await your sources. Otherwise you are pulling shit out of your ass trying to tell everyone it is roses. So you're saying your "no numbers" are better than google's recorded interest of Bioware IPs? Declining market interest in IPs is indicative of brand damage. Can you disprove google's statistics?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 17, 2020 18:15:19 GMT
I did. You said the numbers are false and never provided your own source. So by all means get your 100% accurate sources and show me how many copies ME 2, ME3, DA:I, ME:A and Anthem have sold in 1 year. I will await your sources. Otherwise you are pulling shit out of your ass trying to tell everyone it is roses. So you're saying your "no numbers" are better than google's recorded interest of Bioware IPs? Declining market interest in IPs is indicative of brand damage. Can you disprove google's statistics? Source your google statistic. Because I think you might be confusing google search results and how often something is searched with sales.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 18:26:26 GMT
Source your google statistic. Because I think you might be confusing google search results and how often something is searched with sales I'm not saying interest=sales, but I'm saying waning interest=less sales. I've yet to see a case where waning interest=more sales. For a company that has been trending downward for nearly a decade now, to get an uptick in sales, with each new game, without the equivalent interest, is highly unlikely. You would also have to disprove that brand damage is a thing or, at least, that Bioware's brand has not been damaged by DA2's reception, SW:ToR's reception, ME3's reception, ME:A's reception and Anthem's reception. Or maybe Bioware are just that good, they're impervious to brand damage, no matter what.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 18:31:48 GMT
Source your google statistic. Because I think you might be confusing google search results and how often something is searched with sales I'm not saying interest=sales, but I'm saying waning interest=less sales. I've yet to see a case where waning interest=more sales. For a company that has been trending downward for nearly a decade now, to get an uptick in sales, with each new game, without the equivalent interest, is highly unlikely. You would also have to disprove that brand damage is a thing or, at least, that Bioware's brand has not been damaged by DA2's reception, SW:ToR's reception, ME3's reception, ME:A's reception and Anthem's reception. Or maybe Bioware are just that good, they're impervious to brand damage, no matter what. So in other words you have no sources. Your argument is worthless.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 17, 2020 18:54:26 GMT
Source your google statistic. Because I think you might be confusing google search results and how often something is searched with sales I'm not saying interest=sales, but I'm saying waning interest=less sales. I've yet to see a case where waning interest=more sales. For a company that has been trending downward for nearly a decade now, to get an uptick in sales, with each new game, without the equivalent interest, is highly unlikely. You would also have to disprove that brand damage is a thing or, at least, that Bioware's brand has not been damaged by DA2's reception, SW:ToR's reception, ME3's reception, ME:A's reception and Anthem's reception. Or maybe Bioware are just that good, they're impervious to brand damage, no matter what. I'm still waiting on that source. You asked for my sources and I provided them. Now provide your sources. Because I proved that all the game released post ME3 had nearly as good if not better releases as ME3 did. And it was only after the games were played and people saw the issues with the games that sales started to drop off.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 19:27:50 GMT
So in other words you have no sources. Your argument is worthless. Nope. No sources. Only google. You asked for my sources and I provided them The sources that don't back up your claims? Because I proved that all the game released post ME3 had nearly as good if not better releases as ME3 did You proved none of that. And it was only after the games were played and people saw the issues with the games that sales started to drop off. You have no sources that claim anything, other than that sales were down overall. Not a one of them claim that sales dropped off at any point. The only thing you are proving is that you are stuck in your ways and that Andromeda sold worse than ME2 did. That's it. Call that a success.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 19:42:17 GMT
So in other words you have no sources. Your argument is worthless. Nope. No sources. Only google. Then as I said, your argument is worthless and you aren't to be taken seriously.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 19:50:26 GMT
Then as I said, your argument is worthless and you aren't to be taken seriously. You are very bad at reading sarcasm. If the data from the premiere internet entity in the west, with the biggest search engine and the biggest ecosystem to support it, through a plethora of internet services, isn't a credible enough source, I suppose God himself coming down and slapping the data on your face is inadmissible. At which point everything is a lie, unless you state otherwise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 19:54:16 GMT
Then as I said, your argument is worthless and you aren't to be taken seriously. You are very bad at reading sarcasm. If the data from the premiere internet entity in the west, with the biggest search engine and the biggest ecosystem to support it, through a plethora of internet services, isn't a credible enough source, I suppose God himself coming down and slapping the data on your face is inadmissible. At which point everything is a lie, unless you state otherwise. Except you have yet to present said source. You say you have a source that agrees with you, but are not sharing access to it. That's not how these things works.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 19:57:26 GMT
Except you have yet to present said source It's fucking google. Google itself is the goddamn source. It's called GOOGLE fucking TRENDS! By fucking GOOGLE!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 20:00:53 GMT
Except you have yet to present said source It's fucking google. Google itself is the goddamn source. It's called GOOGLE fucking TRENDS! By fucking GOOGLE! So provide a link to the exact page that you are using like you did now. Was that so hard? You don't tell someone else to do the research for you, you idiot. Edit: Also Google isn't that credible a source, since it doesn't have data why there are the peaks and valleys. For example, did ME3 peak that much because it was a good game, or because it had such a large controversy that it actually made news.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 20:09:32 GMT
So provide a link to the exact page that you are using like you did now. Was that so hard? You don't tell someone else to do the research for you, you idiot It was right here. If you had just scrolled up, you would have seen it, already.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 17, 2020 20:31:27 GMT
So provide a link to the exact page that you are using like you did now. Was that so hard? You don't tell someone else to do the research for you, you idiot It was right here. If you had just scrolled up, you would have seen it, already. I mean let be honest. Almost none of us ever scroll UP in a forum man. Sometimes we do, But most of the time? Nah.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 20:45:38 GMT
I mean let be honest. Almost none of us ever scroll UP in a forum man. Sometimes we do, But most of the time? Nah. That's true. I don't even know which way is up.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 21:40:14 GMT
Edit: Also Google isn't that credible a source, since it doesn't have data why there are the peaks and valleys. For example, did ME3 peak that much because it was a good game, or because it had such a large controversy that it actually made news. Well, it peaks, because a new title releases and that generates more interest. And its true for all releases. And the peaks are somewhat close to the market reception of those titles. In terms of sales/trend ratio. Evident by how high DA:O and ME3 gets. But everything from ME3 and on is considerably lower. Which means less market interest in these titles. And while the google trends could be wrong, why do they peak higher with the better received games? And why do they happen to be better sellers? If the games after ME3 are well received, why don't they peak as high? If they sell well, why don't they peak as high? I find it hard to believe that googling Bioware games was the "hip" think to do, between 2009-2012 and then the fad just died down, so as to over-represent the old games in favour of the new games. It seems pretty spot on in the comparison of the MCU's popularity and, subsequently, earnings, although the Marvel Ent tag seem to be a more accurate depiction of it, than the MCU one. But it hits the same peaks, just at varying degrees of popularity. So I definitely wouldn't call it an outdated metric. While I don't think it's meant to be taken to heart, I don't think it's misleading. It's accurate enough to be worth your consideration.
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