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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 21:43:09 GMT
Edit: Also Google isn't that credible a source, since it doesn't have data why there are the peaks and valleys. For example, did ME3 peak that much because it was a good game, or because it had such a large controversy that it actually made news. Well, it peaks, because a new title releases and that generates more interest. And its true for all releases. And the peaks are somewhat close to the market reception of those titles. In terms of sales/trend ratio. Evident by how high DA:O and ME3 gets. But everything from ME3 and on is considerably lower. Which means less market interest in these titles. And while the google trends could be wrong, why do they peak higher with the better received games? And why do they happen to be better sellers? If the games after ME3 are well received, why don't they peak as high? If they sell well, why don't they peak as high? I find it hard to believe that googling Bioware games was the "hip" think to do, between 2009-2012 and then the fad just died down, so as to over-represent the old games in favour of the new games. It seems pretty spot on in the comparison of the MCU's popularity and, subsequently, earnings, although the Marvel Ent tag seem to be a more accurate depiction of it, than the MCU one. But it hits the same peaks, just at varying degrees of popularity. So I definitely wouldn't call it an outdated metric. While I don't think it's meant to be taken to heart, I don't think it's misleading. It's accurate enough to be worth your consideration. None of this answers my post you quoted. Also interesting how you say it peaks on all the best received titles, since I wouldn’t say the reception of DA2 and ME3 at release were positive. It’s a potential starting point for research, but not something you would use as a source for an argument. |
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 17, 2020 21:53:56 GMT
Well, it peaks, because a new title releases and that generates more interest. And its true for all releases. And the peaks are somewhat close to the market reception of those titles. In terms of sales/trend ratio. Evident by how high DA:O and ME3 gets. But everything from ME3 and on is considerably lower. Which means less market interest in these titles. And while the google trends could be wrong, why do they peak higher with the better received games? And why do they happen to be better sellers? If the games after ME3 are well received, why don't they peak as high? If they sell well, why don't they peak as high? I find it hard to believe that googling Bioware games was the "hip" think to do, between 2009-2012 and then the fad just died down, so as to over-represent the old games in favour of the new games. It seems pretty spot on in the comparison of the MCU's popularity and, subsequently, earnings, although the Marvel Ent tag seem to be a more accurate depiction of it, than the MCU one. But it hits the same peaks, just at varying degrees of popularity. So I definitely wouldn't call it an outdated metric. While I don't think it's meant to be taken to heart, I don't think it's misleading. It's accurate enough to be worth your consideration. None of this answers my post you quoted. Also interesting how you say it peaks on all the best received titles, since I wouldn’t say the reception of DA2 and ME3 at release were positive. It’s a potential starting point for research, but not something you would use as a source for an argument. Well thats about all anyones ever gonna get given that the whole gaming industry is legally allowed to operate with black ops levels of cloak and dagger in regards to their finances, and literally everything else related to gaming.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 17, 2020 22:00:55 GMT
None of this answers my post you quoted. Also interesting how you say it peaks on all the best received titles, since I wouldn’t say the reception of DA2 and ME3 at release were positive. It’s a potential starting point for research, but not something you would use as a source for an argument. Well thats about all anyones ever gonna get given that the whole gaming industry is legally allowed to operate with black ops levels of cloak and dagger in regards to their finances, and literally everything else related to gaming. I guess that’s really the biggest issue with these sorts of discussions. Google trends is no more a reliable source to determine the sales success of a product, especially with the way search habits and systems have changed over the years (especially with the increased use of social media), so all we can do is tons of guesswork and lots of “under” or “over” a certain amount from seemingly official sources. It’s pretty much a farce, since the publishers know precisely how many individual copies were sold; and the fuckers just won’t tell us.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 22:05:04 GMT
I wouldn’t say the reception of DA2 and ME3 at release were positive. I have a few theories. Which mostly have to do with pre-release hype and franchise health. It’s a potential starting point for research, but not something you would use as a source for an argument It's a lot of data to disregard and while not conclusive, it's definitely not dismissible. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 22:15:45 GMT
I guess that’s really the biggest issue with these sorts of discussions. Google trends is no more a reliable source to determine the sales success of a product, especially with the way search habits and systems have changed over the years (especially with the increased use of social media), so all we can do is tons of guesswork and lots of “under” or “over” a certain amount from seemingly official sources. It’s pretty much a farce, since the publishers know precisely how many individual copies were sold; and the fuckers just won’t tell us. While it's not a pinpoint accurate measure of success (afteral, seeing the trend going from ME1 to ME3, would you say Andromeda is going to tank?), being afforded the "bigger picture" and an outside view from having to dictate a narrative for the investors and the public image, we can see what caused what and how things can unfold. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 17, 2020 22:37:16 GMT
So in other words you have no sources. Your argument is worthless. Nope. No sources. Only google. You asked for my sources and I provided them The sources that don't back up your claims? Because I proved that all the game released post ME3 had nearly as good if not better releases as ME3 did You proved none of that. And it was only after the games were played and people saw the issues with the games that sales started to drop off. You have no sources that claim anything, other than that sales were down overall. Not a one of them claim that sales dropped off at any point. The only thing you are proving is that you are stuck in your ways and that Andromeda sold worse than ME2 did. That's it. Call that a success. So you have no source. My links directly said how well games launched and how they compared to ME3 and you are dismissing it.... Yea you are a worthless pathetic troll
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 17, 2020 23:36:58 GMT
So you have no source. My links directly said how well games launched and how they compared to ME3 and you are dismissing it.... Yea you are a worthless pathetic troll You ... do you, gothpunkboy89. You missed the entire conversation. |
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 25, 2020 12:05:59 GMT
Do not feed the trolls people.Some just come here to argue and insult the developers without suggesting any solutions to the problems they themselves are pointing out. They are unable to since they have nothing to offer in terms of skill, creativity or even imagination. I don't know if we've talked about the only thing that would actually be wrong with remaking the Mass Effect Trilogy: the short span between the last game and this supposed remake. To clarify, I don't think there is a method were one should say "For thy game to be remade thou must have at least a score of years before thy remake"... but it should probably be that one. I can still play and enjoy the entire trilogy and feel how it's up to date and still relevant in many respects. Saying it's aged like fine wine is an understatement to me. Thus, it just seems a bit too soon to even start thinking about remaking Mass Effect. Here's my question: Why are you here? |
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 31, 2020 14:47:25 GMT
Here's my question: Why are you here? To talk, criticize and discuss Bioware videogames with respect and consideration for the work involved in creating them. Simple as that Cloudy.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 31, 2020 19:09:57 GMT
It isn't insanity if it works and continues to work for millions of years. The Geth would like to introduce themselves. A group of collective intelligence that were slowly evolving their way to full AI status. All created without actually intending to create AI while it was illegal to create AI. What part of the bolded statement did you not understand? the Geth were created to replace manual labor, because the Quarian's didn't want to bother doing those jobs themselves anymore. The entire Geth problem is avoided if the Quarians just suck it up and, pardon my french, go Pick their own damn Cotton. Amen to that shit. |
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 31, 2020 19:11:42 GMT
Here's my question: Why are you here? To talk, criticize and discuss Bioware videogames with respect and consideration for the work involved in creating them. Simple as that Cloudy. Obviously, you have a problem with people criticizing BioWare by demeaning and berating people. If you can't handle the heat then get off the kitchen. It is simple as that. |
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 31, 2020 20:44:30 GMT
Obviously, you have a problem with people criticizing BioWare by demeaning and berating people. If you can't handle the heat then get off the kitchen. It is simple as that. Let me remind you that it was you who said Bioware and EA would be "fools" not to take on the Unreal instead of Frostbite. If that's the kind of heat you like to handle, then you'll just keep seeing more fire from me in the future 
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Post by NotN7 on Jul 31, 2020 22:02:15 GMT
Do not feed the trolls people.Some just come here to argue and insult the developers without suggesting any solutions to the problems they themselves are pointing out. They are unable to since they have nothing to offer in terms of skill, creativity or even imagination. I don't know if we've talked about the only thing that would actually be wrong with remaking the Mass Effect Trilogy: the short span between the last game and this supposed remake. To clarify, I don't think there is a method were one should say "For thy game to be remade thou must have at least a score of years before thy remake"... but it should probably be that one. I can still play and enjoy the entire trilogy and feel how it's up to date and still relevant in many respects. Saying it's aged like fine wine is an understatement to me. Thus, it just seems a bit too soon to even start thinking about remaking Mass Effect. Here's my question: Why are you here? Well (here comes the flames  ) it can be said about you? why are you here? but to keep rambling on and on, about Biowares handling of Mass effect Trilogy and want them to suit your vision of the trilogy? sorry I have been reading about it for over a year and you have not convinced me at all. and on that note you may or may not hear from me again chances are not.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 31, 2020 22:36:46 GMT
To talk, criticize and discuss Bioware videogames with respect and consideration for the work involved in creating themWith all due respect, have you seen how the gaming community has received Bioware's games over the past decade? Like, everything after ME2? Would you say, in spite of all the work put in those games, it's working out for them, overall? |
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 31, 2020 23:43:15 GMT
Despite all the hubbub by fans online, Mass Effect 3 was still actually very successful and still managed to wrangle up a fairly favorable reception overall. It was certainly successful enough to receive numerous DLC’s that added quite a few hours extra to it. After that, aside from stuff from BioWare Mythic or Victory, 2 out of 3 of the major releases were critical misses. That’s not a great track record, but it’s not the disaster some might play it up to be either.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 1, 2020 0:50:43 GMT
Despite all the hubbub by fans online, Mass Effect 3 was still actually very successful and still managed to wrangle up a fairly favorable reception overall. It was certainly successful enough to receive numerous DLC’s that added quite a few hours extra to it. After that, aside from stuff from BioWare Mythic or Victory, 2 out of 3 of the major releases were critical misses. That’s not a great track record, but it’s not the disaster some might play it up to be either. You are still forgetting DA2's reception, SW:TOR's reception and even dismiss the ME3 controversy itself. Inquisition was successful by avoiding a controversy. That's the best thing Bioware has achieved; not fucking up entirely a single game, out of 6 releases. That is a very bad record. ME3, in spite of its success, broke the franchise. TLJ was very successful, as well. It made 1.3 billion dollars. It broke Star Wars. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 1, 2020 1:47:24 GMT
Despite all the hubbub by fans online, Mass Effect 3 was still actually very successful and still managed to wrangle up a fairly favorable reception overall. It was certainly successful enough to receive numerous DLC’s that added quite a few hours extra to it. After that, aside from stuff from BioWare Mythic or Victory, 2 out of 3 of the major releases were critical misses. That’s not a great track record, but it’s not the disaster some might play it up to be either. You are still forgetting DA2's reception, SW:TOR's reception and even dismiss the ME3 controversy itself. Inquisition was successful by avoiding a controversy. That's the best thing Bioware has achieved; not fucking up entirely a single game, out of 6 releases. That is a very bad record. ME3, in spite of its success, broke the franchise. TLJ was very successful, as well. It made 1.3 billion dollars. It broke Star Wars.
I'm not forgetting DA2 or SW:TOR, since I'm clearly referring to BioWare's releases post-ME3, and I'm obviously not forgetting the controversy of ME3's ending. It's clearly suggested in the first sentence of the comment you're replying to. In any case, despite fan backlash we saw here and there, Dragon Age 2 still sold well, and even did well enough to warrant more expansions. From what I can tell, general opinions online seem to look back on the game more favorably than otherwise, despite its flaws. As for SW:TOR, that game had a shaky start to say the least, yet somehow managed to stay alive for more than 8 years now, and from what I understand, has improved since then.
If that narrative makes you feel better, then that's fine, but I'd be curious to see if long-time players in general actually support it. We'll never really know for sure, and we can only really guess at the long-term figures. Guess all we can do is wank off to whichever ideology we like more.
As for Star Wars, BioWare's yet to ever reach the depths of ineptitude and severe mismanagement on display with the sequel trilogy, due in part to how thoroughly it dismantled long-time pop culture characters, aside from just having stupid fucking stories from beginning to end. Regardless of how ME3 turned out, most fans would at least agree that many characters throughout largely stayed true to what we liked about them in the previous games. The Last Jedi, on the other hand, managed to turn Luke, probably the only character most people give a fuck about, into a grumbling hobo living with weird Vogon nuns, sucking weird sea sloth teets while Big Evil First Order molests the galaxy like a Galactus Weinstein. Then, his dumbass sister, apparently an adept Force wielder, apparently could have done a shit ton more with her power to perhaps persuade Darth Ross into joining the Friends, because Abrams in his epic ridiculousness decided to have a scene where she was trained by Luke in the Jedi arts all along and even had her own saber then they were young, retroactively creating a whole host of new problems. Look what you did, you have me ranting about fucking Star Wars again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 1, 2020 7:15:30 GMT
despite fan backlash we saw here and there, Dragon Age 2 still sold well It sold less than DA:O and burnt a lot of fan good will. It burnt enough of mine, I can tell you that. From what I can tell, general opinions online seem to look back on the game more favorably than otherwise, despite its flaws. I don't see that. Sorry. Even back in the day there were people that said the game was good. It's probably the same people. As for SW:TOR, that game had a shaky start to say the least, yet somehow managed to stay alive for more than 8 years now, and from what I understand, has improved since then. If a game takes, what was it, 7 years to turn a profit, it is a terrible investment. If that narrative makes you feel better, then that's fine, but I'd be curious to see if long-time players in general actually support it I have a friend that played it. Says the gameplay was terrible, but the stories were good. He's not touching it again. As for Star Wars, BioWare's yet to ever reach the depths of ineptitude and severe mismanagement on display with the sequel trilogy Regardless of how ME3 turned out, most fans would at least agree that many characters throughout largely stayed true to what we liked about them in the previous games Disagree on that. Strongly. The Last Jedi, on the other hand, managed to turn Luke, probably the only character most people give a fuck about, into a grumbling hobo living with weird Vogon nuns, sucking weird sea sloth teets while Big Evil First Order molests the galaxy like a Galactus Weinstein. Then, his dumbass sister, apparently an adept Force wielder, apparently could have done a shit ton more with her power to perhaps persuade Darth Ross into joining the Friends, because Abrams in his epic ridiculousness decided to have a scene where she was trained by Luke in the Jedi arts all along and even had her own saber then they were young, retroactively creating a whole host of new problems. Look what you did, you have me ranting about fucking Star Wars again. Yeah. |
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 2, 2020 10:36:08 GMT
Obviously, you have a problem with people criticizing BioWare by demeaning and berating people. If you can't handle the heat then get off the kitchen. It is simple as that. Let me remind you that it was you who said Bioware and EA would be "fools" not to take on the Unreal instead of Frostbite. If that's the kind of heat you like to handle, then you'll just keep seeing more fire from me in the future *looking at Anthem and Andromeda* You don't know what you are talking about. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 2, 2020 14:24:37 GMT
Let me remind you that it was you who said Bioware and EA would be "fools" not to take on the Unreal instead of Frostbite. If that's the kind of heat you like to handle, then you'll just keep seeing more fire from me in the future *looking at Anthem and Andromeda* You don't know what you are talking about. Of course, we’d need to establish that Frostbite was a main factor in how those games turned out. Inquisition fared better than those games, and it was the first to have Frostbite, and probably presented the greatest challenges for BioWare to get it to work.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 2, 2020 19:55:12 GMT
Of course, we’d need to establish that Frostbite was a main factor in how those games turned out. Inquisition fared better than those games, and it was the first to have Frostbite, and probably presented the greatest challenges for BioWare to get it to work. That's what baffles me the most. How can their first Frostbite game be their best one! Also the best looking one imo. Seriously, how do you spend so many years with an engine and not improve?? I don't get it... Hard to blame EA for it at this point. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 2, 2020 22:46:03 GMT
Of course, we’d need to establish that Frostbite was a main factor in how those games turned out. Inquisition fared better than those games, and it was the first to have Frostbite, and probably presented the greatest challenges for BioWare to get it to work. That's what baffles me the most. How can their first Frostbite game be their best one! Also the best looking one imo. Seriously, how do you spend so many years with an engine and not improve?? I don't get it... Hard to blame EA for it at this point. I don't know about best looking... The hair was still ugly looking. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 2, 2020 22:58:36 GMT
That's what baffles me the most. How can their first Frostbite game be their best one! Also the best looking one imo. Seriously, how do you spend so many years with an engine and not improve?? I don't get it... Hard to blame EA for it at this point. I don't know about best looking... The hair was still ugly looking. The hair options suck, but in fairness that’s a creativity fail than a technical one. Sure we wouldn’t get dynamic locks and such, but any artist worth a damn can find ways around that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 2, 2020 23:02:26 GMT
Of course, we’d need to establish that Frostbite was a main factor in how those games turned out. Inquisition fared better than those games, and it was the first to have Frostbite, and probably presented the greatest challenges for BioWare to get it to work. That's what baffles me the most. How can their first Frostbite game be their best one! Also the best looking one imo. Seriously, how do you spend so many years with an engine and not improve?? I don't get it... Hard to blame EA for it at this point. For all of Anthem’s deficiencies, I have to say that the actual character models and animation are actually superior to Inquisition and Andromeda. It’s just a shame that it was put in service of another GAAS system instead of a proper singleplayer. Of course, I’d prefer to ditch the first person hub travel entirely.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 3, 2020 7:05:41 GMT
That's what baffles me the most. How can their first Frostbite game be their best one! Also the best looking one imo. Seriously, how do you spend so many years with an engine and not improve?? I don't get it... Hard to blame EA for it at this point. For all of Anthem’s deficiencies, I have to say that the actual character models and animation are actually superior to Inquisition and Andromeda. It’s just a shame that it was put in service of another GAAS system instead of a proper singleplayer. Of course, I’d prefer to ditch the first person hub travel entirely. I played Anthem for only 3 hours so I'll take your word for the facial animations. I just thought the environments looked kinda ugly. Washed out. Missing shadows. And everything looked the same. So aesthetically I was not impressed at all with the world design. |
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) it can be said about you? why are you here? but to keep rambling on and on, about Biowares handling of Mass effect Trilogy and want them to suit your vision of the trilogy? sorry I have been reading about it for over a year and you have not convinced me at all. 
