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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 1, 2020 11:45:18 GMT
The thing about the Catalyst is that there was literally no need for it within the game. I always attributed it to personal hubris. Someone had a boy who had to be immortalised in the game. That's why the kid pops up all the time.
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 1, 2020 11:51:09 GMT
ow does it even know what the Crucible does? The Catalyst shouldn't even be able to interface with it. Which also means that the Crucible shouldn't fire, either, rig 1) the catalyst has always known that the crucible existed... at least the designs of a previous version of it. So it is not a complete novelty for him. 2) The catalyst evidently has, like all AI and sentient beings, "sensors" that allow it to detect and analyze the outside world. As it is able to understand to have in front of it Shepard and what shepard can or can't do (even without controlling it), so it can be able to understand to have in front of it the Crucible and what it can and can't do. Moreover, the Catalyst was created with precisely this purpose: analyze, calculate, collect datas, evaluate variables, make simulations. No surprise he's able to understand what the crucible is. 3) actually, he is not able to interface with it. Not actively at least. He told Shepard that: the crucible provides new possibilities, but I can't make them happen. A face scan technology can "interact" with my face, passively interface with it, recognize that my face is indeed a human male face and analyze every small detail and expression of it, but it can make my face smile of cry or split.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 1, 2020 13:05:59 GMT
The thing about the Catalyst is that there was literally no need for it within the game. But then it wouldn't be "artistic" enough.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 1, 2020 13:11:19 GMT
The thing about the Catalyst is that there was literally no need for it within the game. But then it wouldn't be "artistic" enough. Drumroll and fanfare have worked wonders in countless circus gigs.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 1, 2020 13:52:06 GMT
1) the catalyst has always known that the crucible existed... at least the designs of a previous version of it. So it is not a complete novelty for him. If it can't operate anything outside it's little black box, to avoid detection, the idea that a foreign system, docking into the Citadel would interface with the Catalyst, without anyone knowing that the Catalyst is there, why it is there or what it does, is beyond divination. Even if the Catalyst is aware of the existence of the Crucible, in some form, to it, it's just a big dildo that plugs on top of the Citadel. The Catalyst would have no way of knowing what it does. It can't interface or interact with it. At least, under the present fan theory, it would never have had the ability to. 2) The catalyst evidently has, like all AI and sentient beings, "sensors" that allow it to detect and analyze the outside world. As it is able to understand to have in front of it Shepard and what shepard can or can't do (even without controlling it), so it can be able to understand to have in front of it the Crucible and what it can and can't do. Moreover, the Catalyst was created with precisely this purpose: analyze, calculate, collect datas, evaluate variables, make simulations. No surprise he's able to understand what the crucible is. So assuming that is true. And the Catalyst just keeps at it, crunching numbers ad infinitum. What does it do with them? It can't communicate with anything. Its new data won't be integrated with the Reapers, if they are "like fire", i.e. not susceptible to new programming, it can't use any mechanism in the Citadel to do it, or even mobilize the Keepers for it. So its only option is that, someone, at some point, would discover it, after killing the Reapers, reconnect it to the network, fully trusting it to work independently and enacting whatever solution it saw more fit this time. Which solution could, just as well, be the Reapers again, but bigger. While stupidity is always growing, the idea that someone would be able to pull that off, in favour of the Catalyst, with less IQ than even I is ... wishful thinking. At least, I would know not to be this dumb, around an independent AI with no established affiliation or reason for being in the Citadel. Not to mention it would also be highly illegal to do so. 3) actually, he is not able to interface with it. Not actively at least. He told Shepard that: the crucible provides new possibilities, but I can't make them happen. A face scan technology can "interact" with my face, passively interface with it, recognize that my face is indeed a human male face and analyze every small detail and expression of it, but it can make my face smile of cry or split. But the face scan technology has been fed data, in order to be able to function. It has been programmed to recognize faces. How would the Catalyst understand what the Crucible is, without being fed any data? Even with advanced sensors, the Crucible is a gigantic machine of enormous magnitude. To be able to dissect and analyze it in just the small time it had available to it and come to such conclusion, without any knowledge of the technology behind it, or any ability to interact with it, if the Reapers have equal access to such a technology to scan and diagnose (why wouldn't they?), the Council fleets wouldn't stand a chance against them. Imagine if your enemy wasn't only impervious to your attacks, but could also, in minutes, scan your entire fleet and reverse engineer it. You'd be fucked. And since that is the purpose of the Reapers, to fuck your shit up, they would definitely have that technology built into them. In other words, in game events and logic dictates that even the Catalyst should not have access to such tools. I seriously doubt that such scanners wouldn't be built into highly advanced war machines that require them full scanning capabilities of their surroundings, because they went over the budget, or they didn't need them. Yes, they did.
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 1, 2020 16:00:55 GMT
But the face scan technology has been fed data, in order to be able to function. It has been programmed to recognize faces. How would the Catalyst understand what the Crucible is, without being fed any data? Even with advanced sensors, the Crucible is a gigantic machine of enormous magnitude. To be able to dissect and analyze it in just the small time it had available to it and come to such conclusion, without any knowledge of the technology behind it, or any ability to interact with it, if the Reapers have equal access to such a technology to scan and diagnose (why wouldn't they?), the Council fleets wouldn't stand a chance against them. Imagine if your enemy wasn't only impervious to your attacks, but could also, in minutes, scan your entire fleet and reverse engineer it. You'd be fucked. And since that is the purpose of the Reapers, to fuck your shit up, they would definitely have that technology built into them. In other words, in game events and logic dictates that even the Catalyst should not have access to such tools. I seriously doubt that such scanners wouldn't be built into highly advanced war machines that require them full scanning capabilities of their surroundings, because they went over the budget, or they didn't need them. Yes, they did. but all the advancend tech in the galaxy is based on reapers technology. so yeah, they are fucked indeed, like all those who came before I do not believe that the crucible is such a mystery for the catalyst, just an effective assembly of technologies and materials that the catalyst already knows. that's part of the masterplan: " your civilization develops along the paths we desire" If it can't operate anything outside it's little black box, to avoid detection, the idea that a foreign system, docking into the Citadel would interface with the Catalyst, without anyone knowing that the Catalyst is there, why it is there or what it does, is beyond divination. Even if the Catalyst is aware of the existence of the Crucible, in some form, to it, it's just a big dildo that plugs on top of the Citadel. The Catalyst would have no way of knowing what it does. It can't interface or interact with it. At least, under the present fan theory, it would never have had the ability to. mmm no, as I've said, after the reapers took over the citadel at the end of ME3, nothing prevents that whatever the protheans scientists did to the keepers and the citadel signals has finally been removed/undone, and so catalyst has been restored in all its previous functions, thus having now a relevant degree of control over the citadel and the surroundings. During the priority earth, nothing forbids the catalyst from having: - control over reapers (in the "weaker" form of collective intelligence, but control still) - control over the arms of the citadel (temporally override by Shepard) - control over the the elevator and the platforms - control over its systems of short-range and long-range scanner, data collection, perception and evaluation of the external world, calculation of the variables, strategy, simulation, planning abilities (additionally, being the collective intelligence of the reapers, is safe to assume that he knows everything that every single reaper knows) - the ability to interface (dialogue) with organic and the crucible the only thing that the catalyst explicitly admit it can't do, is that he cannot make the new solutions provided by the crucible happen. not even that it can't interact or interface with the crucible: just can't personally make its "possibilities" come true. For that, it needs Shepard special DNA/organic energy (green magic), or Shepard memories and thought (blue magic), or a demonstration of willingness to use the crucible in all its destructive power (red magic) With this last interpretation, if we really want and need to, we can even assume that the catalyt is practically omnipotent during priority Earth. He controls everything, the reapers, the citadel, the crucible, sees everything, knows everything, can interface with everything the crucible docked. according to catalyst calculations, this changed the variables, and shows that the reapers won't work anymore (why or how it reached that conclusion, or why he is so sure about it, we do not know, but ehy, so be it) There are new possibilities. But to walk these new paths, an act of will by Shepard is necessary. The free will of an individual cannot be forced. It is something precious, unique. Not even the most omnipotent and intelligent entity in the galaxy can recreate it artificially. The only thing we must assume that the catalyst cannot do during the Me3 finale, is to replace Shepard's free will. That's it. If Shepard (in the name and on behalf of this cycle) refuse to adress the Chaos Problem, the catalyst will turn off the crucible and the harvest will continue to the bitter end.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 1, 2020 16:21:08 GMT
but all the advancend tech in the galaxy is based on reapers technology. so yeah, they are fucked indeed, like all those who came before I do not believe that the crucible is such a mystery for the catalyst, just an effective assembly of technologies and materials that the catalyst already knows. that's part of the masterplan: " your civilization develops along the paths we desire" So you're saying that the Catalyst, then, could have developed the Crucible itself, since it is all based on Reaper tech, but opted not to. Instead, it opted to make the Reapers, so that it would force organics to develop the crucible, until eventually, one of them would know to make it into the Catalyst's room to activate one of the three choices, before you all get blown away, the Catalyst itself included. That doesn't sound pointlessly complex and contrived at all. mmm no, as I've said, after the reapers took over the citadel at the end of ME3, nothing prevents that whatever the protheans scientists did to the keepers and the citadel signals has finally been removed/undone, and so catalyst has been restored in all its previous functions, thus having now a relevant degree of control over the citadel and the surroundings. During the priority earth, nothing forbids the catalyst from having: - control over reapers (in the "weaker" form of collective intelligence, but control still) - control over the arms of the citadel (temporally override by Shepard) - control over the the elevator and the platforms - control over its systems of short-range and long-range scanner, data collection, perception and evaluation of the external world, calculation of the variables, strategy, simulation, planning abilities (additionally, being the collective intelligence of the reapers, is safe to assume that he knows everything that every single reaper knows) - the ability to interface (dialogue) with organic and the crucible Good. So we should be able to, at the very least, blackmail the Catalyst into standing down? Seems logical enough. the only thing that the catalyst explicitly admit it can't do, is that he cannot make the new solutions provided by the crucible happen. not even that it can't interact or interface with the crucible: just can't personally make its "possibilities" come true. Understood. For that, it needs Shepard special DNA/organic energy (green magic) One cup'o'jizz, coming right up. or Shepard memories and thought (blue magic), There are better people than Shepard, for that. or a demonstration of willingness to use the crucible in all its destructive power (red magic) Doesn't even have to be Shepard. With this last interpretation, if we really want and need to, we can even assume that the catalyt is practically omnipotent during priority Earth. He controls everything, the reapers, the citadel, the crucible, sees everything, knows everything, can interface with everything the crucible docked. according to catalyst calculations, this changed the variables, and shows that the reapers won't work anymore (why don't why or how it reached that conclusion, or why he is so sure of itbut hey, so be it) There are new possibilities. But to walk these new paths, an act of will by Shepard is necessary. The free will of the individual cannot be forced. It is something precious, unique. Not even the most omnipotent entity in the galaxy can recreate it artificially. The only thing we must assume that the catalyst cannot do during the Me3 finale, is to replace Shepard's free will. That's it. If Shepard (in the name and on behalf of this cycle) refuse to adress the Chaos Problem, the catalyst will turn off the crucible and the harvest will continue to the bitter end. Well, first of all, we can just take a few steps back to explore the room and the Catalyst takes that as a refusal. Secondly, We can't even ask it to temporarily tell its Reapers to stand down. Lastly, Shepard takes no leverage of the situation and takes the word of a very powerful, assuming omnipotent here, AI that created the very things that are trying to destroy us, at face value. So those are three strikes that I can think of, right off the top of my head. Again, I really love the time you take to address my arguments.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 1, 2020 17:00:46 GMT
The thing about the Catalyst is that there was literally no need for it within the game. I disagree. The Catalyst is what turns the ending from a boring cliche into the ending I actually rather enjoy.
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 1, 2020 18:11:52 GMT
So you're saying that the Catalyst, then, could have developed the Crucible itself, since it is all based on Reaper tech, but opted not to. Instead, it opted to make the Reapers, so that it would force organics to develop the crucible, until eventually, one of them would know to make it into the Catalyst's room to activate one of the three choices, before you all get blown away, the Catalyst itself included. That doesn't sound pointlessly complex and contrived at all. synthesis as been tried, but failed. So yeah somehow the catalyst tried to build some sort of super advanced tech to rewrite the dna of all life, but failed. it cannot be forced. You need the choosen one, Shepard. Ready, cyborg, death and reborn, willing to sacrifice, free, etc. control is the catalyst + the toughts and memories of that special guy Shepard. The sheparlyst cannot be forced too. Destroy is the is the final step that a worthy and special cycle must take. The demonstration that they will not hesitate when the time of Chaos will come. If Shepard, the avatar of this cycle, the best that there is in the galaxy, hesitates, it means that the organics are not ready yet. At the decisive moment, Shepard hesitated. He did not choose synthesis, he did not choose control, he did not even choose destroy. He refuse to take the baton from the catalyst If so, organics are still children, and they must be paternalistically harvested and protected from themselves, as long as possible. There are better people than Shepard, for that. really? who? Liara T'soni? Hackett? URDNOT WREX? yeah, of I were the catalyst, I would have surely choose Wrex to rule the Galaxy Good. So we should be able to, at the very least, blackmail the Catalyst into standing down? Seems logical enough. in order to do make him do... what? If you refuse to adress seriously the chaos problem, he will kill you all, like he has always done. There is nothing to blackmail him with, the reapers are worth little more than zero right now. from your prespective, maybe not. from the catalyst prespective, I would say yes. On a purely material level, even a half-broken mech can shoot the pipe and activate the crucible. but it is Shepard act if will that matters here. see it as mafia initiation rites. If you can't shoot a puppy or an innocent, you don't pass the test. it's not that the mafia boss needs you to kill the puppy or the innocent, it's not technically difficult as an operation, anyone could to it. but he needs to figure out if you have" what it takes" to take on certain burdens. Shepard is here on behalf of the whole cycle. What he chooses will be the fate of the entire galaxy. For better or for worse, whatever he does. Whether he argues, bargains, blackmails, refuses or chooses to act. It all depends on him. Well, first of all, we can just take a few steps back to explore the room and the Catalyst takes that as a refusal. Secondly, We can't even ask it to temporarily tell its Reapers to stand down. Lastly, Shepard takes no leverage of the situation and takes the word of a very powerful, assuming omnipotent here, AI that created the very things that are trying to destroy us, at face value. So those are three strikes that I can think of, right off the top of my head. 1) after quite some time, it must be said 2) it could be added as a dialogue, why not. But it does not seem so fundamental to me. The catalyst is offering you the possibility to destroy them all and/or enslave them all, which is much more than simply "step down". You can personally make them step down in 20 second. 3) have you ever seen the movie "the road" with viggo mortensen? Good stuff, I recommend it. The final scene of the movie is the answer to this question.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 1, 2020 20:34:42 GMT
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 1, 2020 20:45:29 GMT
Catalyst: Synthesis cannot be forced. Shepard: [forces Synthesis] Catalyst:
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 1, 2020 21:16:39 GMT
Catalyst: Synthesis cannot be forced. Shepard: [forces Synthesis] Catalyst: Syntesis has 2 main phases. 1. The organic energy of a single individua, is added to the crucible and spread through the galaxy 2. Every single living being is instantly affected and changed on a DNA level, from the mighty leviathan to the humble midge The first phase needs a ready, willing individual who freely chooses synthesis and transmits his special essence, his imprint, to the whole galaxy. The second phase is obviously and necessarily forced, it would make little sense if every leaf, every moss, every sardine, should be ready and could choose if accept or refuse a heavy genetic modification..
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 1, 2020 21:50:13 GMT
Catalyst: Synthesis cannot be forced. Shepard: [forces Synthesis] Catalyst: Syntesis has 2 main phases. 1. The organic energy of a single individua, is added to the crucible and spread through the galaxy 2. Every single living being is instantly affected and changed on a DNA level, from the mighty leviathan to the humble midge The first phase needs a ready, willing individual who freely chooses synthesis and transmits his special essence, his imprint, to the whole galaxy. The second phase is obviously and necessarily forced, it would make little sense if every leaf, every moss, every sardine, should be ready and could choose if accept or refuse a heavy genetic modification.. Yeah, gotta future proof those sardine in case they ever develop to mon calamari level and try to develop AI of their own. Fuck me, Synthesis sucks.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 1, 2020 21:56:46 GMT
Catalyst: Synthesis cannot be forced. Shepard: [forces Synthesis] Catalyst: Syntesis has 2 main phases. 1. The organic energy of a single individua, is added to the crucible and spread through the galaxy 2. Every single living being is instantly affected and changed on a DNA level, from the mighty leviathan to the humble midge The first phase needs a ready, willing individual who freely chooses synthesis and transmits his special essence, his imprint, to the whole galaxy. The second phase is obviously and necessarily forced, it would make little sense if every leaf, every moss, every sardine, should be ready and could choose if accept or refuse a heavy genetic modification.. Save for one problem, machines don't have DNA. So, how are AI's effected?
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 1, 2020 22:29:16 GMT
The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework.
What is exactly this "framework"? Who knows.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 1, 2020 22:32:57 GMT
What is this framework thing mentions? Don't know. Don't care. Shoot the tube. There you go. No need to worry about the framework crap.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 1, 2020 22:36:22 GMT
The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework. What is exactly this "framework"? Who knows. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Err, no it wouldn't. Last I checked Shepard didn't have an AI with him/her when they jumped into the Green Beam of Dumb Dumb. So in reality, it'd only effect organic lifeforms (since Shepard is organic).
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Post by DragonEffect on Dec 1, 2020 22:40:08 GMT
Someone mentioned somewhere MEA is the Synthesis ending turned real. IMO it isn't. SAM and Ryder haven't become a single entity with mixed physiology and hybrid DNA. SAM does have some measure of influence and control over Ryder's physiological functions, but Ryder's mind is still their own. That is to say, SAM cannot influence Ryder in any way, only offer his opinions and suggestions when prompted or whenever it's opportune (or at least that's what we are led to believe). The relationship between SAM and Ryder is, according to SAM himself, one where SAM is an OBSERVANT. He learns and grows from Ryder's experience. He's not an active participant (save when prompted to do so, as in the case where he stopped their heart and then brought them back to life). He's not the co-pilot in this AI+organic experiment. He's a passenger in the backseat of a car, one who MIGHT take the wheel with the driver's full consent should the need arise. Suffice to say, SAM and Ryder aren't a single entity. They are two beings joined in mind in a symbiotic relationship where the AI takes the submissive role of offering support. SAM can exist without Ryder, but due to how Alec modified him, the Ryder twins cannot exist without SAM anymore - although they still retain their full mental faculties and remain otherwise unaltered by SAM's presence in their brain -, proof that AI and organic haven't joined together to form a new hybrid form of life as it happens in the Synthesis ending. Not yet anyway.
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 1, 2020 22:46:40 GMT
The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework. What is exactly this "framework"? Who knows. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Err, no it wouldn't. Last I checked Shepard didn't have an AI with him/her when they jumped into the Green Beam of Dumb Dumb. So in reality, it'd only effect organic lifeforms (since Shepard is organic). Well, shepard is partly synthetic, he is some sort of cyborg.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 1, 2020 22:48:08 GMT
Someone mentioned somewhere MEA is the Synthesis ending turned real. IMO it isn't. SAM and Ryder haven't become a single entity with mixed physiology and hybrid DNA. SAM does have some measure of influence and control over Ryder's physiological functions, but Ryder's mind is still their own. That is to say, SAM cannot influence Ryder in any way, only offer his opinions and suggestions when prompted or whenever it's opportune (or at least that's what we are led to believe). The relationship between SAM and Ryder is, according to SAM himself, one where SAM is an OBSERVANT. He learns and grows from Ryder's experience. He's not an active participant (save when prompted to do so, as in the case where he stopped their heart and then brought them back to life). He's not the co-pilot in this AI+organic experiment. He's a passenger in the backseat of a car, one who MIGHT take the wheel with the driver's full consent should the need arise. Suffice to say, SAM and Ryder aren't a single entity. They are two beings joined in mind in a symbiotic relationship where the AI takes the submissive role of offering support. SAM can exist without Ryder, but due to how Alec modified him, the Ryder twins cannot exist without SAM anymore - although they still retain their full mental faculties and remain otherwise unaltered by SAM's presence in their brain -, proof that AI and organic haven't joined together to form a new hybrid form of life as it happens in the Synthesis ending. Not yet anyway. Plus everything that Starkid says is suspect, look at Saren, he promoted the Green. And what happened to him again?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 1, 2020 22:51:13 GMT
Err, no it wouldn't. Last I checked Shepard didn't have an AI with him/her when they jumped into the Green Beam of Dumb Dumb. So in reality, it'd only effect organic lifeforms (since Shepard is organic). Well, shepard is partly synthetic, he is some sort of cyborg. Those cybernetics didn't have an AI controling those implants last I checked. Unless you are suggesting that every machine in the MET uses those implants in their construction?
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 1, 2020 22:54:11 GMT
Catalyst: Synthesis cannot be forced. Shepard: [forces Synthesis] Catalyst: sorry but it was forced, the original endings were white Reaper wins Shepard dies along with everyone else and blue Shepard dies only and red the destroy Shepard and everyone lives so with the great cupcake controversy came green in the director cut
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Post by Phantom on Dec 1, 2020 23:02:07 GMT
Err, no it wouldn't. Last I checked Shepard didn't have an AI with him/her when they jumped into the Green Beam of Dumb Dumb. So in reality, it'd only effect organic lifeforms (since Shepard is organic). Well, shepard is partly synthetic, he is some sort of cyborg. Mass Effect has many cyborgs including Shepard. For example, All biotics will use implants to improve their overall biotics. Also Shepard will increase their cybernetic implant load within ME2 due to the intro. Reaper Husks are dark twisted version of Cyborgs.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 1, 2020 23:05:41 GMT
Well, shepard is partly synthetic, he is some sort of cyborg. Mass Effect has many cyborgs including Shepard. For example, All biotics will use implants to improve their overall biotics. Also Shepard will increase their cybernetic implant load within ME2 due to the intro. Reaper Husks are dark twisted version of Cyborgs. The Collectors have cybernetics as well, I think?
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 1, 2020 23:11:41 GMT
Well, shepard is partly synthetic, he is some sort of cyborg. Those cybernetics didn't have an AI controling those implants last I checked. Unless you are suggesting that every machine in the MET uses those implants in their construction? Mmm no but everything "alive" is affected by shepard "essence".. leaves and grass too. Why not AI? "The essence of who and what you are" is almost a metaphisical concept, and we don't know what exactly the green wave does. I would not restrict that concept to dna and/or implants. Let's say that synthesis is something super advanced even for the ME universe, and accept it as "magic", as Arthur C. Clarke suggested.
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