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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 15:02:32 GMT
If we are posting characters who are cute that we want, here are my two: Hopefully with Vaea being an Ace/Demi LI and Francesca having a non-sex route/ambiguous romance.
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Best girls. Must protect them from nasty sexualization and thirsty men.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 17:21:58 GMT
Hopefully with Vaea being an Ace/Demi LI and Francesca having a non-sex route/ambiguous romance. I don´t think that DA4 will feature more than one comic character as companion. Also i really doubt that we get Vaea because this kind of rogue partymember will already fulfill more or less Lace Harding.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 17:24:42 GMT
Hopefully with Vaea being an Ace/Demi LI and Francesca having a non-sex route/ambiguous romance. I don´t think that DA4 will feature more than one comic character as companion. Also i really doubt that we get Vaea because this kind of rogue partymember will already fulfill more or less Lace Harding.
We've had this discussion ad nauseam. I disagree on both fronts, both on there being only one comic character and the two being too similar. I also don't want Harding wasting a companion/LI slot. Or Calpernia a mage/LI. I think Vaea and Francesca are far better than those two.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 17:36:16 GMT
We've had this discussion ad nauseam. I disagree on both fronts, both on there being only one comic character and the two being too similar. I also don't want Harding wasting a companion/LI slot. Or Calpernia a mage/LI. I think Vaea and Francesca are far better than those two. I know but the great thing is that we are not the ones who are making the game. You may disagree with me and that´s fine but all previous rogues are complete different to each other. Both Harding and Vaea have the nice girl personality so i don´t see any room to have two nice girls companions.
And the most important fact about Harding and Calperina is that Bioware are liking both them. A lot i would say. So sorry Harding will without any doubt waste in your opinion a companion / LI slot and Calpernia has also a good chance to do this too.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 17:40:53 GMT
We've had this discussion ad nauseam. I disagree on both fronts, both on there being only one comic character and the two being too similar. I also don't want Harding wasting a companion/LI slot. Or Calpernia a mage/LI. I think Vaea and Francesca are far better than those two. I know but the great thing is that we are not the ones who are making the game. You may disagree with me and that´s fine but all previous rogues are complete different to each other. Both Harding and Vaea have the nice girl personality so i don´t see any room to have two nice girls companions.
And the most important fact about Harding and Calperina is that Bioware are liking both them. A lot i would say. So sorry Harding will without any doubt waste in your opinion a companion / LI slot and Calpernia has also a good chance to do this too. Thank goodness you're not involved. As for the rest, since you didn't seem to get the ad nauseam part I'll be clearer: I'm not interested in discussing this with you and I think you are completely wrong on every aspect. Either say something new or don't respond.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 22, 2020 17:42:02 GMT
Ah yes, the peepee character. When Bioware first showed her face, I thought they were going to change the title from Mass Effect to Clown Effect. In my nightmares, I always see Peebee's face.
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Post by ClarkKent on Apr 22, 2020 17:44:30 GMT
Were there any good looking dudes in Mass Effect Andromeda? I mean there was walmart Javik I guess.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 22, 2020 17:56:20 GMT
Were there any good looking dudes in Mass Effect Andromeda? I mean there was walmart Javik I guess. like with anything, it's up for debate
default Scott Ryder was attractive, I personally found Reyes good looking, Liam wasn't so bad to look at either *shrug*
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 17:56:50 GMT
Thank goodness you're not involved. I could say the same to you. So yeah i am glad that you are also not involved in any form. I really don´t like your companion ideas because you always picks the sympathetic ones over everyone who could be in your view unsympathetic. Therefore i welcome Bioware approach in designing companions. They should be interessing first and not that they all sympathetic to the player. Some characters aren´t for everybody.
As far as i remember you don´t even like Varric which is may i say unique.
You can disagree with me on Calpernia but Harding come on please. This is an absolute No Brainer like Cassandra before.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 22, 2020 17:59:01 GMT
Were there any good looking dudes in Mass Effect Andromeda? I mean there was walmart Javik I guess. No because every second rate character artist was working on that game, so they all looked bad. The 'A' team was on Inquisition.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 18:36:28 GMT
I think you are completely wrong on every aspect. You can disagree with me on Calpernia but Harding come on please. This is an absolute No Brainer like Cassandra before. With how all the post-DAI content has gone, I’d say Charter is looking more likely than Harding.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 18:41:11 GMT
With how all the post-DAI content has gone, I’d say Charter is looking more likely than Harding. Every DAI player knows Harding because unlike Charter there is no way to overlook her. So my money is on Harding. Also this more a Hrungr question but i don´t remember that Bioware writer have ever mention Charter in one of his / her tweets unlike Harding.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
With how all the post-DAI content has gone, I’d say Charter is looking more likely than Harding. Every DAI player knows Harding because unlike Charter there is no way to overlook her. So my money is on Harding. Also this more a Hrungr question but i don´t remember that Bioware writer have ever mention Charter in one of his / her tweets unlike Harding.
Ooh, a tweet. Meanwhile Charter’s been in comics and now the book. Not to mention Trespasser having her be Leliana’s heir of Spymaster (also tweets).
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 22, 2020 18:57:06 GMT
With how all the post-DAI content has gone, I’d say Charter is looking more likely than Harding. Every DAI player knows Harding because unlike Charter there is no way to overlook her. So my money is on Harding. Also this more a Hrungr question but i don´t remember that Bioware writer have ever mention Charter in one of his / her tweets unlike Harding.
Yeah, Harding also was Mike's pick if he could bring a DA:I character over to DA4 as a companion. There's also been some other talk here and there which makes me think she's very likely to show up. Charter hasn't seen the same amount of chatter, but after Tevinter Nights I wouldn't be surprised if she had some role either.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 19:05:20 GMT
Ooh, a tweet. Meanwhile Charter’s been in comics and now the book. Not every DAI and DA 4 player have read the comics and books. So the games are more important than the games. True but does it really matter if this kind of player hear the name of Charter here for the first and has no connection?
Its the same as Rector.
Also don´t you think its quite strange that almost nothing is said about Harding in the comics or books?
I would argue that they clearly save Harding for DA 4 and won´t write anything major about her because this shouldn´t intervene with Bioware vision of DA 4. Also doesn´t make Charters new job as Spymaster her unlikely as companion?
Last but not least least my most important argument i make for Harding. Why was she in the last cutscene for DAI / Trespasser?
What was the point to have and show Harding here?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 19:14:05 GMT
Yeah, Harding also was Mike's pick if he could bring a DA:I character over to DA4 as a companion. There's also been some other talk here and there which makes me think she's very likely to show up. I believe that she still make sense because every previous game has a bridge companion. And who can be easy for all world states better fulfill this role than Harding?
Maybe but my guess is that Charter´s purpose is just to not use Leliana (as Inquisition spymaster) anymore and simple solution for every possible world state.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 19:21:30 GMT
Ooh, a tweet. Meanwhile Charter’s been in comics and now the book. Not every DAI and DA 4 player have read the comics and books. So the games are more important than the games. True but does it really matter if this kind of player hear the name of Charter here for the first and has no connection?
Its the same as Rector.
Also don´t you think its quite strange that almost nothing is said about Harding in the comics or books?
I would argue that they clearly save Harding for DA 4 and won´t write anything major about her because this shouldn´t intervene with Bioware vision of DA 4. Also doesn´t make Charters new job as Spymaster her unlikely as companion?
Last but not least least my most important argument i make for Harding. Why was she in the last cutscene for DAI / Trespasser?
What was the point to have and show Harding here? You do realize your own arguments can be used against you, right? For example most players sided with the Mages so most don't ever hear of Calpernia, so by your logic that disqualifies her. I should point out my argument isn't saying that Harding wouldn't show up. It's just Charter is more likely than her. In all honesty I expect both. You're the one who goes there can only be one. As for Harding getting no mention, no I don't think it's quite strange. She wasn't needed, so why have her? You can argue that, though the argument makes no sense and holds no weight. Never said Charter would be a companion. I've always said I saw her as being an adviser, like Maevaris. My list so far is: Advisers: Combat: Intelligence: Charter Diplomacy: Maevaris
Mages: 1. Francesca 2. 3.
Rogues: 1. Vaea 2. Harding 3.
Warriors: 1. 2. 3.
As for the last cutscene, three things: 1. By that logic, every LI other than Solas will show up as a companion. 2. Things change over half a decade. 3. Again, never said Harding wouldn't be.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 19:22:47 GMT
Yeah, Harding also was Mike's pick if he could bring a DA:I character over to DA4 as a companion. There's also been some other talk here and there which makes me think she's very likely to show up. I believe that she still make sense because every previous game has a bridge companion. And who can be easy for all world states better fulfill this role than Harding? Dorian. Always alive, always in Tevinter, actually has been a companion to continue the tradition.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 22, 2020 19:43:19 GMT
I believe that she still make sense because every previous game has a bridge companion. And who can be easy for all world states better fulfill this role than Harding? Dorian. Always alive, always in Tevinter, actually has been a companion to continue the tradition. While they've definitely positioned Dorian to have some role in the next game, it's not likely as a companion. BW doesn't like having companions who were potential LI as companions again in a following game. Harding would be the more likely pick for a companion in DA4. Charter too if they wanted.
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Post by vertigomez on Apr 22, 2020 19:47:10 GMT
Kind of hope we get a break from all the f/f rogues tho. Pls.... toss us some warriors or mages...
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 19:54:29 GMT
You do realize your own arguments can be used against you, right? For example most players sided with the Mages so most don't ever hear of Calpernia, so by your logic that disqualifies her. That´s right if we are talking about Calpernia too but for the last two of my posts i focus only on Harding.
Who said that this? Of course both are in the Game but only Harding is a really companion in the DA 4 party. A follower if you will.
Charter is has a major NPC / Advisor kinda role but she isn´t an active party member.
Or should i better say DA 4 Harding = DAI Cassandra and DA 4 Charter = DAI Leliana
I get we all are getting it. You don´t like Harding and don´t want her in the DA 4 party. That is totally cool but i can´t
argue with me that Bioware is saving Harding for something big and they won´t tell much about her.
Also Hrungr already mentioned it but Mike Laidlaw really wanted Harding as companion when was working on first version of DA 4. And here i partly disagree i don´t tinnk they repeat the DAI system. New game new (gaming) rules). I believe more in a Major NPC or Faction system.
Of course not because Bioware won´t reuse former LI companions. Don´t you think if this wasn´t the rule i would pick Dorian instead of Harding? So nobody how can in DAI a LI (Blackwall, Cassandra, Cullen, Dorian, The Iron Bull, Josephine, Sera and of course Solas) and be Divine Victoria (Cassandra, Leliana and Vivienne)
can be a companion. Its almost impossible that they use Varric a third time. So they only have Cole as an option but with his different fates ifs quite unlikely that he will be back as companion. So Harding is the next and easy bet for all possible world states.
Sure you can´t rule out this but this doesn´t change that DAI and Trespasser was the last gaming experience for DA player.
They have to build a connection between DAI and DA4 like Varric (and Cassandra???) before. "I think you are completely wrong on every aspect." Sorry but wasn´t this quote from you?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 19:59:57 GMT
Dorian. Always alive, always in Tevinter, actually has been a companion to continue the tradition. Here of an old PC Gamer Interview about DAI. "PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?
Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that."
So Dorian like Leliana and Morrigan before is not an option as returning campanion. But doesn´t mean that Bioware haven´t big plans for Dorian in DA4. Dorian is likely a very important NPC in the game. The faction leader of the Lucerni faction.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 20:01:26 GMT
Dorian. Always alive, always in Tevinter, actually has been a companion to continue the tradition. While they've definitely positioned Dorian to have some role in the next game, it's not likely as a companion. BW doesn't like having companions who were potential LI as companions again in a following game. Harding would be the more likely pick for a companion in DA4. Charter too if they wanted. I don't think he will either. I'm just saying he is an answer to that question about who is a better option. Kind of hope we get a break from all the f/f rogues tho. Pls.... toss us some warriors or mages... But it's a tradition at this point. But another reason for Vaea. If she is Ace/DEmi, she'd be one of the extra romances while the lesbian and bi female LIs could be other classes.
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