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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 4:39:51 GMT
I always forget about the Warlord... I actually don't use him very much at all, he's so slow and hard to maneuver with, esp on console. I like the idea of the Warlod, but not so much the reality. Saying he's my least-used Krogan is a massive understatement (since he's one of my least-used kits in the entire game, and the other Krogan some of my most-used).
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Post by GruntKitterhand on May 4, 2020 10:07:21 GMT
Just to be clear, all my Krogans currently have full melee builds, and pretty much always have done. I was merely speculating that if I was ever to go against type, it would have to be with the Adept. As for Venom usage, well, if those dirty Salarians are so stupid as to leave their technology lying around, it would be pure pyjakery to ignore it, especially in the case of the Phantom-trivializer. Quarians, not so much. the soldier is probably the least melee-centric Krogan for me, just because its sort of pointless trying to melee stuff before it melts from Inferno Grenades.. in terms of melee focus its probably 1. Kroguard 2. Krentinel 3. Shaman 4. Soldier, with the first 2 waaaaaaaay ahead of the second 2 If all are specced to maximize melee, including Omniblade and Strength Enhancers and, for the sake of realistic comparison a Juggernaut Shield (although I would say Shock Trooper Gear in the case of the Soldier is always the way to go), the damage output league table is as follows, listing light melee and heavy melee numbers - Soldier - 2259/5271 (2205/5145 with Shock Trooper Gear) Vanguard/Sentinel - 1989/4641 Warlord - 2387/4475 Adept - 1809/4221 And just for reference, the QFI, who has the hardest hitting HM in the game - 995/5967. I take your point about the Inferno Grenades melting everything, but in the spirit of "The Joy of Headbutting", it should be noted that the Soldier's forehead is the most damaging, not counting the big idiot, whose headbutt attack is (from memory) slower and less accurate.
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Post by DistigousForest on May 4, 2020 11:33:32 GMT
And just for reference, the QFI, who has the hardest hitting HM in the game - 995/5967. Yes and no, kinda sorta since her melees get an armor penalty and this is being really really pedantic, I know, I'm sorry There's other kits that can do more damage depending on what you spec for, especially if you like min/maxing. The Shadow will do ~6100 heavy melee to armor if you take Fitness 6b and ~6100 to shield/barrier w/ 6A. A couple of the blue beauties will out damage her against armor since they get a bonus, and the Huntress comes close with ~5400 to armor/shield/barrier. All these take top row in fitness (except the Shadow taking 6B), Shotgun Omni-Blade, Berserker Package, and that Kalence isn't lying to me : ShadowValkyrie Just ekes out against armor Huntress
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Post by Alfonsedode on May 4, 2020 11:52:40 GMT
Nice, we need a spreadsheet with that shit ! As for my recent QFI melee experience, i suxked with it !, i blame the slow animation... Though i can make work other slow melee animation, so i dont know what i missed
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Post by GruntKitterhand on May 4, 2020 12:03:32 GMT
And just for reference, the QFI, who has the hardest hitting HM in the game - 995/5967. Yes and no, kinda sorta since her melees get an armor penalty and this is being really really pedantic, I know, I'm sorry There's other kits that can do more damage depending on what you spec for, especially if you like min/maxing. The Shadow will do ~6100 heavy melee to armor if you take Fitness 6b and ~6100 to shield/barrier w/ 6A. A couple of the blue beauties will out damage her against armor since they get a bonus, and the Huntress comes close with ~5400 to armor/shield/barrier. All these take top row in fitness (except the Shadow taking 6B), Shotgun Omni-Blade, Berserker Package, and that Kalence isn't lying to me : ShadowValkyrie Just ekes out against armor HuntressGood points. I'd forgotten about the QFI's armour penalty, but given that the melee Shadow is one of my favourite characters I really shouldn't have overlooked her - those Dragoons won't decapitate themselves!! I've never specced an Asari for melee, mainly because of the whole vulnerability thing. My Asarigasms are generally restricted to between waves. Note to self: Respec Valkyrie and Huntress at earliest opportunity.
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Post by muahmuah on May 4, 2020 12:14:30 GMT
Guys,pls. This game includes weapons and powers. If i want mele,i play Dark Souls series
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Post by DistigousForest on May 4, 2020 12:30:00 GMT
I've never specced an Asari for melee, mainly because of the whole vulnerability thing. My Asarigasms are generally restricted to between waves. Neither have I, exactly why I said I was being really pedantic I will say I've seen ctc91 run a Tech Armor detonating, Cryo Acolyte only, heavy melee Valkyrie and he absolutely ripped with it. If i want mele,i play Dark Souls series But it's soooooo difficult Black Knight Great Sword ftw!
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Post by GruntKitterhand on May 4, 2020 12:44:28 GMT
Guys,pls. This game includes weapons and powers. If i want mele,i play Dark Souls series Not familiar with "The Joy of Headbutting", then? Pyjakery detected*. Weapons and powers are OP, and you can't send Husks flying off the map on Dagger in a Dark Souls game. And it's short on laughs too, from what I know. I have Dark Souls. I've played it for all of 10 minutes. Not for me. Same with Bloodborne on PS4. I play games for fun, not some form of self-loathing masochism, which is how those games come across to me, undoubtedly brilliant though they may be to those who like them. * I jest, obviously, in your case
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Post by muahmuah on May 4, 2020 12:48:10 GMT
I've never specced an Asari for melee, mainly because of the whole vulnerability thing. My Asarigasms are generally restricted to between waves. Neither have I, exactly why I said I was being really pedantic I will say I've seen ctc91 run a Tech Armor detonating, Cryo Acolyte only, heavy melee Valkyrie and he absolutely ripped with it. If i want mele,i play Dark Souls series But it's soooooo difficult Black Knight Great Sword ftw! Git gud is the other name of DS.Did you beat it? I prefer claymore(for those who don't know,it's not a ME shotgun,but a great sword in DS),but in this game there isn't better or worse weapons,just prefernces.
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Post by DistigousForest on May 4, 2020 12:58:53 GMT
Git gud is the other name of DS.Did you beat it? I prefer claymore(for those who don't know,it's not a ME shotgun,but a great sword in DS),but in this game there isn't better or worse weapons,just prefernces. Lol not yet, but I do love the Claymore too and it's my fallback if the BKGS isn't working. 2 hand BKGS w/ Grass Crest on back and Havel's/Fap and I can get a decent chest piece (see Silver Knight) and still fast roll I got sucked back into ME3 for the last few weeks. Last time I played I was about to go against Manus in the DLC and after that is Kalameet, Seath, Lost Izalith, and then Gwyn and my 1st playthrough will be done...damn that's still a lot left to do I have Dark Souls. I've played it for all of 10 minutes. Not for me. Same with Bloodborne on PS4. I play games for fun, not some form of self-loathing masochism, which is how those games come across to me, undoubtedly brilliant though they may be to those who like them. It took a long time [several hours] for the game to click for me, but since then it's been great even if it's still punishing. Patience is the key and took a while for me to realize that; also skele-dogs are bullshit.
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Post by muahmuah on May 4, 2020 13:01:47 GMT
Guys,pls. This game includes weapons and powers. If i want mele,i play Dark Souls series Not familiar with "The Joy of Headbutting", then? Pyjakery detected*. Weapons and powers are OP, and you can't send Husks flying off the map on Dagger in a Dark Souls game. And it's short on laughs too, from what I know. I have Dark Souls. I've played it for all of 10 minutes. Not for me. Same with Bloodborne on PS4. I play games for fun, not some form of self-loathing masochism, which is how those games come across to me, undoubtedly brilliant though they may be to those who like them. * I jest, obviously, in your case Believe or not i absolutely love DS series and the most of the DS-like games. For me they are fun and enjoyable.The gameplay is, as you already pointed out ,brilliant. Well i raged during some boss fights when i was doing 1 level soul run,but it was just a challenge and did it for science's sake. One of my fav kits is Shaman and i've never builded him mele focused. In fact i don't have a single mele-based character. That said i've done few plat mele solos and only half enjoyed them.In other words,the mele is not my cup of tea. Will rephrase Grunt,i don't need a mele ,i have ammo.
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Post by Alfonsedode on May 4, 2020 14:51:47 GMT
That said i've done few plat mele solos and only half enjoyed them new request, asari or quarian or humans or geth (not the big one) melee run !!
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Post by muahmuah on May 4, 2020 15:09:11 GMT
That said i've done few plat mele solos and only half enjoyed them new request, asari or quarian or humans or geth (not the big one) melee run !! Wtf i told in the last few posts.I don't like mele.Alfonse pls.
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Post by xelander on May 4, 2020 16:17:30 GMT
the soldier is probably the least melee-centric Krogan for me, just because its sort of pointless trying to melee stuff before it melts from Inferno Grenades.. in terms of melee focus its probably 1. Kroguard 2. Krentinel 3. Shaman 4. Soldier, with the first 2 waaaaaaaay ahead of the second 2 If all are specced to maximize melee, including Omniblade and Strength Enhancers and, for the sake of realistic comparison a Juggernaut Shield (although I would say Shock Trooper Gear in the case of the Soldier is always the way to go), the damage output league table is as follows, listing light melee and heavy melee numbers - Soldier - 2259/5271 (2205/5145 with Shock Trooper Gear) Vanguard/Sentinel - 1989/4641 Warlord - 2387/4475 Adept - 1809/4221 And just for reference, the QFI, who has the hardest hitting HM in the game - 995/5967. I take your point about the Inferno Grenades melting everything, but in the spirit of "The Joy of Headbutting", it should be noted that the Soldier's forehead is the most damaging, not counting the big idiot, whose headbutt attack is (from memory) slower and less accurate. Theoretically, KroSol has the most damage, however that requires purging the Fortification armor, which gets clunky sometimes and eats into your Carnage cooldowns. Practically, the Krentinel is the best melee Krogan - stagger grenades and DR for days. I've played all the Krogans melee-specced extensively on Plat and that is what I've come to.
Ironically, the Warlaaard performs best when you play him like a Drell - hit and run.
p.s. The Shadow sucks hairy asses, I'd rather take my melee non-lamer Vorcha Soldier into Plat than this ... thing. And for the life of me, I don't understand what's the appeal that all the pugs find in the fake ninja. It's such a badly designed kit.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on May 4, 2020 16:45:02 GMT
If all are specced to maximize melee, including Omniblade and Strength Enhancers and, for the sake of realistic comparison a Juggernaut Shield (although I would say Shock Trooper Gear in the case of the Soldier is always the way to go), the damage output league table is as follows, listing light melee and heavy melee numbers - Soldier - 2259/5271 (2205/5145 with Shock Trooper Gear) Vanguard/Sentinel - 1989/4641 Warlord - 2387/4475 Adept - 1809/4221 And just for reference, the QFI, who has the hardest hitting HM in the game - 995/5967. I take your point about the Inferno Grenades melting everything, but in the spirit of "The Joy of Headbutting", it should be noted that the Soldier's forehead is the most damaging, not counting the big idiot, whose headbutt attack is (from memory) slower and less accurate. Theoretically, KroSol has the most damage, however that requires purging the Fortification armor, which gets clunky sometimes and eats into your Carnage cooldowns. Practically, the Krentinel is the best melee Krogan - stagger grenades and DR for days. I've played all the Krogans melee-specced extensively on Plat and that is what I've come to.
Ironically, the Warlaaard performs best when you play him like a Drell - hit and run.
p.s. The Shadow sucks hairy asses, I'd rather take my melee non-lamer Vorcha Soldier into Plat than this ... thing. And for the life of me, I don't understand what's the appeal that all the pugs find in the fake ninja. It's such a badly designed kit.
You're not the first person here to slag off the Shadow, and I daresay you won't be the last. I wouldn't be so rude as to hint at L2P issues with any of you, but I find her absolutely brilliant to play, skipping Electric Slash and rocking an Omniblade Piranha with AP ammo - admittedly much more frequently on Gold than Plat. I also play her (uniquely) with a Duration Cloak, because the damage bonus alternative is largely overkill, given that she can OHK on-host Phantoms already with Duration Cloak, and also because it's nice to be able to cap all the devices without breaking a sweat and reviving those poor pugs. I'd say she's perfect for Gold - almost indestructible in fact (twitchy SS finger notwithstanding - Ravagers/Abombs/Sync-Killers), while there are more obvious, easier ways of enduring Platinum. As for purging Fortification on the KroSol, you're right, and I should have acknowledged that. I'm used to toggling it regularly and don't find it interferes much with Carnage tbh. But I also agree with you that the Krentinel is the best (and by far my favourite) pure melee character in the game, and by extension my favourite character. He is a God.
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Post by mordokai on May 4, 2020 17:17:32 GMT
Note to self: Respec Valkyrie and Huntress at earliest opportunity. I've never tried melee huntress, that girl just loves her shotties and snipers too much.
But Valkyrie... she loves to get up close, dirty and personal I highly recommend you giving her a shot... much like anything else she puts her mind to, she excels at it.
...even when played by scrub like yours truly
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:20:34 GMT
the soldier is probably the least melee-centric Krogan for me, just because its sort of pointless trying to melee stuff before it melts from Inferno Grenades.. in terms of melee focus its probably 1. Kroguard 2. Krentinel 3. Shaman 4. Soldier, with the first 2 waaaaaaaay ahead of the second 2 If all are specced to maximize melee, including Omniblade and Strength Enhancers and, for the sake of realistic comparison a Juggernaut Shield (although I would say Shock Trooper Gear in the case of the Soldier is always the way to go), the damage output league table is as follows, listing light melee and heavy melee numbers - Soldier - 2259/5271 (2205/5145 with Shock Trooper Gear) Vanguard/Sentinel - 1989/4641 Warlord - 2387/4475 Adept - 1809/4221 And just for reference, the QFI, who has the hardest hitting HM in the game - 995/5967. I take your point about the Inferno Grenades melting everything, but in the spirit of "The Joy of Headbutting", it should be noted that the Soldier's forehead is the most damaging, not counting the big idiot, whose headbutt attack is (from memory) slower and less accurate. that's a fair point, I've just never been crazy about Fortification-based melee builds. And my KroSol usually gets a Power Amp instead of a Cyclonic, so its genuinely difficult to melee anything before it dies from Inferno cheese. That's not to say he doesn't melee stuff- he's a Krogan, of course he does! But its the least essential to the core playstyle, relative to the other Krogan. But this is almost entirely personal preference, so no question that YMMV
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:24:50 GMT
Theoretically, KroSol has the most damage, however that requires purging the Fortification armor, which gets clunky sometimes and eats into your Carnage cooldowns. Practically, the Krentinel is the best melee Krogan - stagger grenades and DR for days. I've played all the Krogans melee-specced extensively on Plat and that is what I've come to.
Ironically, the Warlaaard performs best when you play him like a Drell - hit and run.
p.s. The Shadow sucks hairy asses, I'd rather take my melee non-lamer Vorcha Soldier into Plat than this ... thing. And for the life of me, I don't understand what's the appeal that all the pugs find in the fake ninja. It's such a badly designed kit.
You're not the first person here to slag off the Shadow, and I daresay you won't be the last. I wouldn't be so rude as to hint at L2P issues with any of you, but I find her absolutely brilliant to play, skipping Electric Slash and rocking an Omniblade Piranha with AP ammo - admittedly much more frequently on Gold than Plat. I also play her (uniquely) with a Duration Cloak, because the damage bonus alternative is largely overkill, given that she can OHK on-host Phantoms already with Duration Cloak, and also because it's nice to be able to cap all the devices without breaking a sweat and reviving those poor pugs. I'd say she's perfect for Gold - almost indestructible in fact (twitchy SS finger notwithstanding - Ravagers/Abombs/Sync-Killers), while there are more obvious, easier ways of enduring Platinum. As for purging Fortification on the KroSol, you're right, and I should have acknowledged that. I'm used to toggling it regularly and don't find it interferes much with Carnage tbh. But I also agree with you that the Krentinel is the best (and by far my favourite) pure melee character in the game, and by extension my favourite character. He is a God. oh its definitely a L2P issue for me, I've been trying to use kits that I have neglected lately, but I'm just... not good with the Shadow. I really like that its a unique kit, with a unique core/gameplay-defining power... I just have yet to fully get the hang of it. Won't be rolling her out on plat anytime soon.
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Post by DistigousForest on May 5, 2020 10:52:21 GMT
You're not the first person here to slag off the Shadow, and I daresay you won't be the last. I wouldn't be so rude as to hint at L2P issues with any of you, but I find her absolutely brilliant to play, skipping Electric Slash and rocking an Omniblade Piranha with AP ammo - admittedly much more frequently on Gold than Plat. I also play her (uniquely) with a Duration Cloak, because the damage bonus alternative is largely overkill, given that she can OHK on-host Phantoms already with Duration Cloak, and also because it's nice to be able to cap all the devices without breaking a sweat and reviving those poor pugs. I'd say she's perfect for Gold - almost indestructible in fact (twitchy SS finger notwithstanding - Ravagers/Abombs/Sync-Killers), while there are more obvious, easier ways of enduring Platinum. As for purging Fortification on the KroSol, you're right, and I should have acknowledged that. I'm used to toggling it regularly and don't find it interferes much with Carnage tbh. But I also agree with you that the Krentinel is the best (and by far my favourite) pure melee character in the game, and by extension my favourite character. He is a God. oh its definitely a L2P issue for me, I've been trying to use kits that I have neglected lately, but I'm just... not good with the Shadow. I really like that its a unique kit, with a unique core/gameplay-defining power... I just have yet to fully get the hang of it. Won't be rolling her out on plat anytime soon. Here's the build I use if you're interested, it's the only infiltrator I take Duration Cloak and Bonus Power for that double cloak SS. It's my gold build for her and I'd love to take a PA, but having 675/675 for a melee kit is incredibly...squishy and frustrating. It's a melee kit so I take...suprise! ...a Venom. I've also used Wraith and Crusader [damage Cloak here], but the Raider is probably better if you're going to be in melee range. I know obbie1984 runs her on plat and doesn't really have any issues and I think he specs into ES too and uses melee quite often.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 23:07:08 GMT
oh its definitely a L2P issue for me, I've been trying to use kits that I have neglected lately, but I'm just... not good with the Shadow. I really like that its a unique kit, with a unique core/gameplay-defining power... I just have yet to fully get the hang of it. Won't be rolling her out on plat anytime soon. Here's the build I use if you're interested, it's the only infiltrator I take Duration Cloak and Bonus Power for that double cloak SS. It's my gold build for her and I'd love to take a PA, but having 675/675 for a melee kit is incredibly...squishy and frustrating. It's a melee kit so I take...suprise! ...a Venom. I've also used Wraith and Crusader [damage Cloak here], but the Raider is probably better if you're going to be in melee range. I know obbie1984 runs her on plat and doesn't really have any issues and I think he specs into ES too and uses melee quite often. this is pretty similar to how I typically spec her (and you know I use the Venom, heh)- Duration/Bonus on TC, though I usually take the Shield Drain on SS (6b), and I think I took 3 ranks of ES instead of rank 6 of passives. I've tried to do some Cerberus/Gold solos with her, but I have trouble staying alive and need to get better/more strategic about using SS. I usually go Venom, but have tried her with Piranha and that also works pretty well. Raider would be good too. May try that.
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Post by burningcherry on May 6, 2020 8:41:19 GMT
One of my three most played classes. If you're going to play her for melee on PC, this is IMO the best build for team games, alternatively you can skip Electric Trash completely and go for more WD but I prefer to keep it for stunning, detonating and clearing swarmers. 2.71s SS recharge allows to SS->shoot/dodge->SS without waiting for anything. If you want to play her for weapons and use SS only as a mobility mean then BW/Crusader are going to be better but then it's generally better to choose something with debuffs or grenades and move on the map carefully. She's not the highest scoring class on Platinum but if the team takes care of bosses, you can hunt for expensive targets and deplete lots of wave budgets.
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One of my three most played classes. If you're going to play her for melee on PC, this is IMO the best build for team games, alternatively you can skip Electric Trash completely and go for more WD but I prefer to keep it for stunning, detonating and clearing swarmers. 2.71s SS recharge allows to SS->shoot/dodge->SS without waiting for anything. If you want to play her for weapons and use SS only as a mobility mean then BW/Crusader are going to be better but then it's generally better to choose something with debuffs or grenades and move on the map carefully. She's not the highest scoring class on Platinum but if the team takes care of bosses, you can hunt for expensive targets and deplete lots of wave budgets. yeah I think this is my exact build at the moment (unfortunately I'm on ps3, not PC).. I find it useful to have 3 ranks of ES, especially since dealing with mobs is more the problem (i.e. using SS without then ending up smack-dab in the middle of a mob and getting murdered immediately afterwards), and its useful for Hacks/Escorts to have a power that doesn't transport you across the map (sort of the same as Vanguards, which is why I often spec first 3 ranks of e.g. Carnage on the Kroguard, BS on the Slayer, etc). Most of it is just being unfamiliar with the kit and the unique playstyle, its definitely one of my very least-used kits (which is why I'm making an effort to L2P and roll her out more often)
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Post by Urizen on May 6, 2020 9:18:03 GMT
Mah Shadow. Tried her with duration cloak. Never got to make the most out of it tbh. So this is the build I ultimately settled for. Except for the shotty. I'm trolling triggering you on this one
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Post by GruntKitterhand on May 6, 2020 11:43:29 GMT
oh its definitely a L2P issue for me, I've been trying to use kits that I have neglected lately, but I'm just... not good with the Shadow. I really like that its a unique kit, with a unique core/gameplay-defining power... I just have yet to fully get the hang of it. Won't be rolling her out on plat anytime soon. Here's the build I use if you're interested, it's the only infiltrator I take Duration Cloak and Bonus Power for that double cloak SS. It's my gold build for her and I'd love to take a PA, but having 675/675 for a melee kit is incredibly...squishy and frustrating. It's a melee kit so I take...suprise! ...a Venom. I've also used Wraith and Crusader [damage Cloak here], but the Raider is probably better if you're going to be in melee range. I know obbie1984 runs her on plat and doesn't really have any issues and I think he specs into ES too and uses melee quite often. My N7 HQ isn't loading but I'm pretty sure I have a very very similar approach, with the only difference going for the Shield-drain option on SS, and obviously as I said I prefer the Piranha to the Venom (heresy, I know - just blame old age and arthritis). Everything else is identical, at least on one account, while on the other I choose 6A in fitness so that I can host Cerberus games in a relaxed mood. All logic confirms that her armour damage boost is the way to go, but my ineptitude (with most other characters) against Phantoms is pretty full-on, so I just like knowing in advance that they can feck right off.
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Post by DistigousForest on May 6, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
Here's the build I use if you're interested, it's the only infiltrator I take Duration Cloak and Bonus Power for that double cloak SS. It's my gold build for her and I'd love to take a PA, but having 675/675 for a melee kit is incredibly...squishy and frustrating. It's a melee kit so I take...suprise! ...a Venom. I've also used Wraith and Crusader [damage Cloak here], but the Raider is probably better if you're going to be in melee range. I know obbie1984 runs her on plat and doesn't really have any issues and I think he specs into ES too and uses melee quite often. My N7 HQ isn't loading but I'm pretty sure I have a very very similar approach, with the only difference going for the Shield-drain option on SS, and obviously as I said I prefer the Piranha to the Venom (heresy, I know - just blame old age and arthritis). Everything else is identical, at least on one account, while on the other I choose 6A in fitness so that I can host Cerberus games in a relaxed mood. All logic confirms that her armour damage boost is the way to go, but my ineptitude (with most other characters) against Phantoms is pretty full-on, so I just like knowing in advance that they can feck right off. Hey man if the Venom ain't your cup of tea don't use it I won't fault you, I use it whenever I run melee because the stagger is great with melee kits. I do run a Disruptor Wraith from time to time off-host which is helpful for those Phantoms. A Raider would probably be great too, I should just take 4B cloak because I do prefer the damage over the extra time in cloak.
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