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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2020 19:36:31 GMT
That tactic wouldn't work on a line ship. The most that'll do is annoy the crew on that ship. And since the aliens of that galaxy don't use Mass Effect technology, chances are that the arks would be destroyed in seconds, along with their defense fighters.How do you figure? Simple. Mass Effect technology is only exclusive to the milky way due to it being a trap set by the Reapers. How else do you think they always won? Mass Effect technology is the Reapers cheat code to win.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 10, 2020 19:39:00 GMT
If that's true, then they are truly only a token force, totally ineffective against any real threat. Source? The fact that they are NEVER mentioned as being a defensive force for the Arks? Hell, I can't recall a single line of dialogue where they are mentioned! I'm even taking your word that we see them, and you aren't mistaking angaran fighters for AI ones.
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Post by natetrace on Aug 10, 2020 19:41:33 GMT
Saren’s treachery extends beyond the games, just look how mad he’s made you! Now that’s a villain. In that case Kai Leng is the best villain in the franchise. Hmm. Maybe he is after all. Truly the hate for him transcends the games.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2020 19:42:46 GMT
Simple. Mass Effect technology is only exclusive to the milky way due to it being a trap set by the Reapers. How else do you think they always won? Mass Effect technology is the Reapers cheat code to win. But how do you figure it would lead to them being wiped out in mere moments? Also the Mass Effect is more than just technology. It’s a law of physics.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2020 19:49:12 GMT
The fact that they are NEVER mentioned as being a defensive force for the Arks? Hell, I can't recall a single line of dialogue where they are mentioned! I'm even taking your word that we see them, and you aren't mistaking angaran fighters for AI ones. So unless something is forcefully spoonfed to you, it doesn't exist? Oh, and for example here: Yep. Totally confused these with Angaran fighters hours before we even know of the Angara. Also in the final fight with Avitus piloting a Trident (which look nothing like Angaran fighters btw).
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2020 19:49:38 GMT
Simple. Mass Effect technology is only exclusive to the milky way due to it being a trap set by the Reapers. How else do you think they always won? Mass Effect technology is the Reapers cheat code to win. But how do you figure it would lead to them being wiped out in mere moments? Also the Mass Effect is more than just technology. It’s a law of physics. Because from what I remember, there were mods that converts the rounds from Mass Effect guns into plasma. And since the shields in Mass Effect don't protect against heat, and plasma is a heat based weapon, it'd do major damage to the armour plating. And since armour plating in Mass Effect is so stupidity light, it wouldn't take much to destroy a ship with that technology.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 10, 2020 19:53:25 GMT
Those fighters only escorted them to the edge of the galaxy. After that the AI was on its own. Incorrect. They also had their own fighters as well. We see them in multiple cutscenes, from the Hyperion’s hangar as we get ready to go to Habitat 7 to being used in the Battle of Meridian. And where were those fighters when the Kett showed up to take the Hyperion? Why weren't they deployed when the Hyperion entered Andromeda to escort the ship to wherever? Saren’s treachery extends beyond the games, just look how mad he’s made you! Now that’s a villain. In that case Kai Leng is the best villain in the franchise. He is. He has the best hairstyle. He's very good at doing cart wheels. He's very good at crying like a baby on Thessia and Cronos. He sent the asari flying on Kai Leng Airlines though I would have had him stab the asari.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2020 19:53:26 GMT
But how do you figure it would lead to them being wiped out in mere moments? Also the Mass Effect is more than just technology. It’s a law of physics. Because from what I remember, there were mods that converts the rounds from Mass Effect guns into plasma. And since the shields in Mass Effect don't protect against heat, and plasma is a heat based weapon, it'd do major damage to the armour plating. And since armour plating in Mass Effect is so stupidity light, it wouldn't take much to destroy a ship with that technology. SPlasma isn't just heat though. It's also physical since it has mass (just look at stars which are massive despite being plasma), which shields do protect you from. Armor protects you from heat itself, and last I checked the ships have hulls built to withstand the dangers of space including heat. So combined they do protect. I agree that without them you wouldn't last long, hence my negative feelings about things like nor fully sealed outfits for some of the characters.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 10, 2020 19:59:59 GMT
In that case Kai Leng is the best villain in the franchise. Hmm. Maybe he is after all. Truly the hate for him transcends the games. Would it be possible for Bioware make a greater hate sink than Kai Leng? I do think they can. also I am sure that you, Hanako and me can create one and forward that character to Bioware.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2020 20:01:08 GMT
Because from what I remember, there were mods that converts the rounds from Mass Effect guns into plasma. And since the shields in Mass Effect don't protect against heat, and plasma is a heat based weapon, it'd do major damage to the armour plating. And since armour plating in Mass Effect is so stupidity light, it wouldn't take much to destroy a ship with that technology. SPlasma isn't just heat though. It's also physical since it has mass (just look at stars which are massive despite being plasma), which shields do protect you from. Armor protects you from heat itself, and last I checked the ships have hulls built to withstand the dangers of space including heat. So combined they do protect. I agree that without them you wouldn't last long, hence my negative feelings about things like nor fully sealed outfits for some of the characters. But not against repeated hits. I'm not sure how hot plasma burns, but I guess it's just as hot as a star. So, getting hit by repeating beams of plasma would melt a ships or a fighters hull quite quickly. And that's just plasma, lasers are far more worse since Mass Effect shields don't block against their hits.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 10, 2020 20:02:15 GMT
The fact that they are NEVER mentioned as being a defensive force for the Arks? Hell, I can't recall a single line of dialogue where they are mentioned! I'm even taking your word that we see them, and you aren't mistaking angaran fighters for AI ones. So unless something is forcefully spoonfed to you, it doesn't exist? Oh, and for example here: Yep. Totally confused these with Angaran fighters hours before we even know of the Angara. Also in the final fight with Avitus piloting a Trident (which look nothing like Angaran fighters btw). Yes, a single line of dialogue indicating the AI is armed with anything but pistols and rifles is "spoon-feeding" Particularly given their primary exploratory vehicles, which could be facing anything from first contact situations to hungry fauna, to space pirates, are completely unarmed. And where were these fighter in ANY situation where some firepower could be useful? Defending EOS? during the mutiny? Searching for missing ARKS? "Hey, I know, lets send the completely unarmed scout ship do do all that stuff!"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2020 20:16:25 GMT
SPlasma isn't just heat though. It's also physical since it has mass (just look at stars which are massive despite being plasma), which shields do protect you from. Armor protects you from heat itself, and last I checked the ships have hulls built to withstand the dangers of space including heat. So combined they do protect. I agree that without them you wouldn't last long, hence my negative feelings about things like nor fully sealed outfits for some of the characters. But not against repeated hits. I'm not sure how hot plasma burns, but I guess it's just as hot as a star. So, getting hit by repeating beams of plasma would melt a ships or a fighters hull quite quickly. And that's just plasma, lasers are far more worse since Mass Effect shields don't block against their hits. Depends on the plasma. And if there are things helping shape the blast so it doesn't disperse immediately. Overall yes eventually they would destroy the ships, hence why the ships need to be repaired every once in a while since the plasma and physical objects of the universe slowly wear at the aemor, but that can be said about anything. It all depends on the power when it comes to how quickly, like how the Normandy can take out the Collector ship either in a bunch of hits or a couple hits depending on the gun we have. However, likewise the enemy wouldn't have defenses made specifically for mass effect-based weaponry either. So what they have may be far more effective against the Kett or whoever compared to threats from our galaxy. It'd be interesting to see an enemy that uses lasers. We haven't had that in Mass Effect yet (the 'lasers' we see are like Star Wars in that they aren't actually lasers).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2020 20:17:49 GMT
So unless something is forcefully spoonfed to you, it doesn't exist? Oh, and for example here: Yep. Totally confused these with Angaran fighters hours before we even know of the Angara. Also in the final fight with Avitus piloting a Trident (which look nothing like Angaran fighters btw). Yes, a single line of dialogue indicating the AI is armed with anything but pistols and rifles is "spoon-feeding" Particularly given their primary exploratory vehicles, which could be facing anything from first contact situations to hungry fauna, to space pirates, are completely unarmed. And where were these fighter in ANY situation where some firepower could be useful? Defending EOS? during the mutiny? Searching for missing ARKS? "Hey, I know, lets send the completely unarmed scout ship do do all that stuff!" What's wrong with sending an unarmed scout ship? Planes like the SR-71 have done an amazing job without needing guns. Like the SR-71, the Tempest has speed (the SR-71's anti-missile policy being "Gun it". ) and stealth.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 10, 2020 20:27:58 GMT
What's wrong with sending an unarmed scout ship? Planes like the SR-71 have done an amazing job without needing guns. Like the SR-71, the Tempest has speed (the SR-71's anti-missile policy being "Gun it". ) and stealth. The tempest may have speed, but without the scrouge, the kett fighters would have disabled or destroyed the ship. And then when approaching Meridian, it's overcome by the firepower the kett has, but again the scrouge steps in to save the day.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2020 20:32:40 GMT
But not against repeated hits. I'm not sure how hot plasma burns, but I guess it's just as hot as a star. So, getting hit by repeating beams of plasma would melt a ships or a fighters hull quite quickly. And that's just plasma, lasers are far more worse since Mass Effect shields don't block against their hits. Depends on the plasma. And if there are things helping shape the blast so it doesn't disperse immediately. Overall yes eventually they would destroy the ships, hence why the ships need to be repaired every once in a while since the plasma and physical objects of the universe slowly wear at the aemor, but that can be said about anything. It all depends on the power when it comes to how quickly, like how the Normandy can take out the Collector ship either in a bunch of hits or a couple hits depending on the gun we have. However, likewise the enemy wouldn't have defenses made specifically for mass effect-based weaponry either. So what they have may be far more effective against the Kett or whoever compared to threats from our galaxy. It'd be interesting to see an enemy that uses lasers. We haven't had that in Mass Effect yet (the 'lasers' we see are like Star Wars in that they aren't actually lasers). It'd be hard to balance any true laser weapons in ME due to them being able to bypass shields due to lore, but yeah it'd be interesting to see.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 10, 2020 21:09:23 GMT
Another site with a 29th September release date has been sighted. Again, last game release day for Q3 2020, meaning that it's just a placeholder for a rumoured release. Just reminding everyone it's still not coming.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2020 21:14:06 GMT
Another site with a 29th September release date has been sighted. Again, last game release day for Q3 2020, meaning that it's just a placeholder for a rumoured release. Just reminding everyone it's still not coming. That is IF it was ever being released in the first place.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 10, 2020 21:42:48 GMT
That is IF it was ever being released in the first place. At this point, I am more inclined to believe that the two people who claim it is coming, Shinobi and Jeff Grub, were trying to stir up some interest through media to trigger it. Customer base interest does generate responses from companies, the Dark Souls release on PC is a testament to that, for those that remember the online petition and stuff that followed. I don't think this generated the engagement Bioware/EA wanted to see, therefore it was never greenlit.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2020 21:46:34 GMT
That is IF it was ever being released in the first place. At this point, I am more inclined to believe that the two people who claim it is coming, Shinobi and Jeff Grub, were trying to stir up some interest through media to trigger it. Customer base interest does generate responses from companies, the Dark Souls release on PC is a testament to that, for those that remember the online petition and stuff that followed. I don't think this generated the engagement Bioware/EA wanted to see, therefore it was never greenlit. Or those two were trying to shit stir.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 10, 2020 21:50:53 GMT
Or those two were trying to shit stir. A valid scenario, as well.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2020 21:58:36 GMT
Depends on the plasma. And if there are things helping shape the blast so it doesn't disperse immediately. Overall yes eventually they would destroy the ships, hence why the ships need to be repaired every once in a while since the plasma and physical objects of the universe slowly wear at the aemor, but that can be said about anything. It all depends on the power when it comes to how quickly, like how the Normandy can take out the Collector ship either in a bunch of hits or a couple hits depending on the gun we have. However, likewise the enemy wouldn't have defenses made specifically for mass effect-based weaponry either. So what they have may be far more effective against the Kett or whoever compared to threats from our galaxy. It'd be interesting to see an enemy that uses lasers. We haven't had that in Mass Effect yet (the 'lasers' we see are like Star Wars in that they aren't actually lasers). It'd be hard to balance any true laser weapons in ME due to them being able to bypass shields due to lore, but yeah it'd be interesting to see. They'd be perfect for an enemy that's meant to be ever scarier than the Reapers. Having weapons you can't detect or dodge even if you could just ripping apart even the strongest defenses in seconds would be absolutely terrifying. Just imagine a scene where you are in a ship with a fleet ready to engage something that seems to be heading towards where you are, and before you even pick them up on sensors some other ships in your fleet instantaneously start exploding or are sliced in half.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2020 22:17:41 GMT
It'd be hard to balance any true laser weapons in ME due to them being able to bypass shields due to lore, but yeah it'd be interesting to see. They'd be perfect for an enemy that's meant to be ever scarier than the Reapers. Having weapons you can't detect or dodge even if you could just ripping apart even the strongest defenses in seconds would be absolutely terrifying. Just imagine a scene where you are in a ship with a fleet ready to engage something that seems to be heading towards where you are, and before you even pick them up on sensors some other ships in your fleet instantaneously start exploding or are sliced in half. I do know one race that fits the bill, but they don't exist in the Mass Effect universe.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 11, 2020 6:11:26 GMT
But how do you figure it would lead to them being wiped out in mere moments? Also the Mass Effect is more than just technology. It’s a law of physics. Because from what I remember, there were mods that converts the rounds from Mass Effect guns into plasma. And since the shields in Mass Effect don't protect against heat, and plasma is a heat based weapon, it'd do major damage to the armour plating. And since armour plating in Mass Effect is so stupidity light, it wouldn't take much to destroy a ship with that technology. While I will preface what I am about to say by you are probably quite right about the Arks themselves since they are primarily colony/ exploration ships and not warships... We have seen plenty of examples of ME armor plating being quite reselient to energy weapons. I mean that almost *has to* be a thing given that there is energy weapons in the universe so any engagement would have to be very bloody and brief affairs otherwise. (And I never got the sense from what I did read from the lore that Mass Effect operated like the Honor Harrington series where you had to 'close' to energy range under extreme missile bombardment) But the SR-2 itself did tank the Collector ship's energy beam at the end of Mass Effect 2...which was at least a Cruiser likely using tech inspired by Reaper gun technology...with hardly any damage when its hull was upgraded. Edit: Also I just realized to Hanako's point...granted could be an example of gameplay/ story segregration...but we also know that the Kett plasma weapons do count as *kinetic* energy in the setting considering Ryder and the squad's suit shields are effective against the ground based equivalents...as I am quite sure are everyone else's milky way shields when you use them against the other Initiative races (though I have never used Kett weapons so I could be wrong....but that would be weird as hell).
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 11, 2020 10:50:26 GMT
Because from what I remember, there were mods that converts the rounds from Mass Effect guns into plasma. And since the shields in Mass Effect don't protect against heat, and plasma is a heat based weapon, it'd do major damage to the armour plating. And since armour plating in Mass Effect is so stupidity light, it wouldn't take much to destroy a ship with that technology. While I will preface what I am about to say by you are probably quite right about the Arks themselves since they are primarily colony/ exploration ships and not warships... We have seen plenty of examples of ME armor plating being quite reselient to energy weapons. I mean that almost *has to* be a thing given that there is energy weapons in the universe so any engagement would have to be very bloody and brief affairs otherwise. (And I never got the sense from what I did read from the lore that Mass Effect operated like the Honor Harrington series where you had to 'close' to energy range under extreme missile bombardment) But the SR-2 itself did tank the Collector ship's energy beam at the end of Mass Effect 2...which was at least a Cruiser likely using tech inspired by Reaper gun technology...with hardly any damage when its hull was upgraded. Edit: Also I just realized to Hanako's point...granted could be an example of gameplay/ story segregration...but we also know that the Kett plasma weapons do count as *kinetic* energy in the setting considering Ryder and the squad's suit shields are effective against the ground based equivalents...as I am quite sure are everyone else's milky way shields when you use them against the other Initiative races (though I have never used Kett weapons so I could be wrong....but that would be weird as hell). I think that they started to make heat resistant armour plating after the SR1 was destroyed by the Collectors. I'm unsure of what the Kett use to empower their plasma weapons (most plasma based weapons in other science fiction universes use fusion energy to power any plasma based weapons). But maybe it was to balance the gameplay?
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Post by Iakus on Aug 11, 2020 13:17:54 GMT
Edit: Also I just realized to Hanako's point...granted could be an example of gameplay/ story segregration...but we also know that the Kett plasma weapons do count as *kinetic* energy in the setting considering Ryder and the squad's suit shields are effective against the ground based equivalents...as I am quite sure are everyone else's milky way shields when you use them against the other Initiative races (though I have never used Kett weapons so I could be wrong....but that would be weird as hell). Shields and kinetic barriers have essentially been blue/purple hit points ever since ME2.
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