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Post by RedCaesar97 on Nov 2, 2020 22:39:22 GMT
Well you could also glitch the laser drill when rescuing Liara. That bug is entirely separate from deliberate reducing exp when utilizing the very tank they give you to kill enemies. Killing a thresher maw with the mako only gave you like 40 exp. mean while if you damaged it 99% of the way and got out and shot it and killed it they gave like 200 exp. Given the there are a hard limit to the number that appear in each play though and the fact it can very quickly wreck the mako like no other non mass swarming enemy in the game. It is a design choice that makes no sense. They literally hand you an space ACP with a cannon and then penalize your exp gain by utilizing it. And considering how the level up system worked in ME1 it is something I would hope they address with any possible remaster.
I have also wondered at this bizarre decision before. Now that being said, there is only about a 2-3 level difference if you killed enemies with the Mako versus all on foot. Generally not a big difference in your build by that point, but still it sucks.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 3, 2020 1:23:25 GMT
That bug is entirely separate from deliberate reducing exp when utilizing the very tank they give you to kill enemies. Killing a thresher maw with the mako only gave you like 40 exp. mean while if you damaged it 99% of the way and got out and shot it and killed it they gave like 200 exp. Given the there are a hard limit to the number that appear in each play though and the fact it can very quickly wreck the mako like no other non mass swarming enemy in the game. It is a design choice that makes no sense. They literally hand you an space ACP with a cannon and then penalize your exp gain by utilizing it. And considering how the level up system worked in ME1 it is something I would hope they address with any possible remaster.
I have also wondered at this bizarre decision before. Now that being said, there is only about a 2-3 level difference if you killed enemies with the Mako versus all on foot. Generally not a big difference in your build by that point, but still it sucks. If you are going for that level 50 trophy/achievement it really does matter. That is actually the source of my annoyance once I realized how much potential exp I lost on my first play though. And it is just one of those little things that really stuck in my craw for some reason. And save an over haul of the level up system to something more like ME2/3 I really hope they would address this in any potential remaster.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 3, 2020 4:22:45 GMT
That bug is entirely separate from deliberate reducing exp when utilizing the very tank they give you to kill enemies. Killing a thresher maw with the mako only gave you like 40 exp. mean while if you damaged it 99% of the way and got out and shot it and killed it they gave like 200 exp. Given the there are a hard limit to the number that appear in each play though and the fact it can very quickly wreck the mako like no other non mass swarming enemy in the game. It is a design choice that makes no sense. They literally hand you an space ACP with a cannon and then penalize your exp gain by utilizing it. And considering how the level up system worked in ME1 it is something I would hope they address with any possible remaster.
I have also wondered at this bizarre decision before. Now that being said, there is only about a 2-3 level difference if you killed enemies with the Mako versus all on foot. Generally not a big difference in your build by that point, but still it sucks. Risk vs reward I guess. But if one is really desperate to get to level 50, just do NG+
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 3, 2020 4:53:13 GMT
I have also wondered at this bizarre decision before. Now that being said, there is only about a 2-3 level difference if you killed enemies with the Mako versus all on foot. Generally not a big difference in your build by that point, but still it sucks. Risk vs reward I guess. But if one is really desperate to get to level 50, just do NG+ That's what I did. Then again, I used NG+ in order to exploit ME2's import system for level 60 bonuses and the Paragon/Renegade points score.😈
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 3, 2020 17:08:49 GMT
Risk vs reward I guess. But if one is really desperate to get to level 50, just do NG+ That's what I did. Then again, I used NG+ in order to exploit ME2's import system for level 60 bonuses and the Paragon/Renegade points score.😈 I edit my Paragon/Renegade score in ME2 with the save game editor. Not necessarily because I have to, just because I want to boycott the stupid persuasion system in that game.
And I never leave the MAKO just for the XP. Breaks my immersion too much to just willfully leave my Tank behind in any fight.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Nov 3, 2020 23:26:21 GMT
I have also wondered at this bizarre decision before. Now that being said, there is only about a 2-3 level difference if you killed enemies with the Mako versus all on foot. Generally not a big difference in your build by that point, but still it sucks. If you are going for that level 50 trophy/achievement it really does matter. That is actually the source of my annoyance once I realized how much potential exp I lost on my first play though. And it is just one of those little things that really stuck in my craw for some reason. And save an over haul of the level up system to something more like ME2/3 I really hope they would address this in any potential remaster. I got to level 50 in my first playthrough (no DLC), and I killed pretty much everything I could with the Mako. But I did everything I could before going to Ilos. I did not even know there was an XP penalty for using the Mako until some time after ME2 was released. I did not join any Mass Effect forums until I had run through ME2 a few times. Anyway, all that to say that I do not think the XP matters as much as some of us make it out to be. It would probably would make a difference if you could reach level 60 in one playthrough, but you cannot.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 4, 2020 1:22:51 GMT
Risk vs reward I guess. But if one is really desperate to get to level 50, just do NG+ That's what I did. Then again, I used NG+ in order to exploit ME2's import system for level 60 bonuses and the Paragon/Renegade points score.😈 One thing I particularly liked about NG+ was the fact that the bonus abilities seemed to be entirely universal across classes, and I gave my Soldier biotic push, essentially creating a quasi-Vanguard that could use every weapon in the game. Honestly, soldier in ME1 is probably my favorite just for that.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 4, 2020 2:43:24 GMT
That's what I did. Then again, I used NG+ in order to exploit ME2's import system for level 60 bonuses and the Paragon/Renegade points score.😈 One thing I particularly liked about NG+ was the fact that the bonus abilities seemed to be entirely universal across classes, and I gave my Soldier biotic push, essentially creating a quasi-Vanguard that could use every weapon in the game. Honestly, soldier in ME1 is probably my favorite just for that. It sucks that ME2's NG+ resets the paragon/Renegade points score to zero.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 4, 2020 9:31:35 GMT
One thing I particularly liked about NG+ was the fact that the bonus abilities seemed to be entirely universal across classes, and I gave my Soldier biotic push, essentially creating a quasi-Vanguard that could use every weapon in the game. Honestly, soldier in ME1 is probably my favorite just for that. It sucks that ME2's NG+ resets the paragon/Renegade points score to zero. I really don’t like ME2’s implementation of NG+ in general. Maybe this is a bug, but armor accessories you bought in a previous playthrough like the ones that boost ammo capacity will disappear if you toggle to different armor sets on the customization kiosk, requiring you to buy them again.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 4, 2020 12:39:35 GMT
It sucks that ME2's NG+ resets the paragon/Renegade points score to zero. I really don’t like ME2’s implementation of NG+ in general. Maybe this is a bug, but armor accessories you bought in a previous playthrough like the ones that boost ammo capacity will disappear if you toggle to different armor sets on the customization kiosk, requiring you to buy them again. I don't remember that happening, but what annoyed me with NG+ and why I never used it for Insanity difficulty was that all the upgrades you bought during the game disappeared and you had to grind for those materials and "plans" again.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 4, 2020 13:28:30 GMT
I really don’t like ME2’s implementation of NG+ in general. Maybe this is a bug, but armor accessories you bought in a previous playthrough like the ones that boost ammo capacity will disappear if you toggle to different armor sets on the customization kiosk, requiring you to buy them again. I don't remember that happening, but what annoyed me with NG+ and why I never used it for Insanity difficulty was that all the upgrades you bought during the game disappeared and you had to grind for those materials and "plans" again. Aye, to this day ME2 is the only game in the MET that I've not done a NG+ playthough on.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 4, 2020 13:36:45 GMT
If you are going for that level 50 trophy/achievement it really does matter. That is actually the source of my annoyance once I realized how much potential exp I lost on my first play though. And it is just one of those little things that really stuck in my craw for some reason. And save an over haul of the level up system to something more like ME2/3 I really hope they would address this in any potential remaster. I got to level 50 in my first playthrough (no DLC), and I killed pretty much everything I could with the Mako. But I did everything I could before going to Ilos. I did not even know there was an XP penalty for using the Mako until some time after ME2 was released. I did not join any Mass Effect forums until I had run through ME2 a few times. Anyway, all that to say that I do not think the XP matters as much as some of us make it out to be. It would probably would make a difference if you could reach level 60 in one playthrough, but you cannot. I also did everything I could. Did all the DLC open to PS3. And still ended up needing to play though New Game Plus and reaching up to Virmire before the trophy popped for level 50.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 4, 2020 15:35:44 GMT
That's what I did. Then again, I used NG+ in order to exploit ME2's import system for level 60 bonuses and the Paragon/Renegade points score.😈 One thing I particularly liked about NG+ was the fact that the bonus abilities seemed to be entirely universal across classes, and I gave my Soldier biotic push, essentially creating a quasi-Vanguard that could use every weapon in the game. Honestly, soldier in ME1 is probably my favorite just for that. Yeah that's one o fthe things about the bonus powers I like in that you can personalize your characters abilities a little bit. For example th eAdept Shepard I started last night can use Assault rifles as well as pistols due to picking Assault rifles as my bonus power. Admittedly i tcan be a pain in tha tyo ud oneed to unlock it first and the fact you aer limited to 1 power but it's something. Having said that there does need to be some limitations so in that sense I think they got it right.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 4, 2020 15:57:08 GMT
I got to level 50 in my first playthrough (no DLC), and I killed pretty much everything I could with the Mako. But I did everything I could before going to Ilos. I did not even know there was an XP penalty for using the Mako until some time after ME2 was released. I did not join any Mass Effect forums until I had run through ME2 a few times. Anyway, all that to say that I do not think the XP matters as much as some of us make it out to be. It would probably would make a difference if you could reach level 60 in one playthrough, but you cannot. I also did everything I could. Did all the DLC open to PS3. And still ended up needing to play though New Game Plus and reaching up to Virmire before the trophy popped for level 50. It makes the game a major slog. Having to basically drive right up on enemies and shotgun them to death just to get that precious XP rather than mowing through them to get to my real objectives sucks the fun out of it.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 4, 2020 16:56:46 GMT
I also did everything I could. Did all the DLC open to PS3. And still ended up needing to play though New Game Plus and reaching up to Virmire before the trophy popped for level 50. It makes the game a major slog. Having to basically drive right up on enemies and shotgun them to death just to get that precious XP rather than mowing through them to get to my real objectives sucks the fun out of it. I've only done that on subsequent play through where I am trying to max things out. The first time on PC through I hit 50 without it(on xbox way back when I honestly don't remember). I've since modified my method to 2 fast runs to get the free persuasion/intimidate points usually hitting 40ish first run, 53ish 2nd run, then one real one shooting for 60. All of which is unnecessary as I only did it so I'd be level 60 transferring over to ME2, and now with all the DLC its easy to hit level 30 even if you start at level 1. I haven't had any renegade/paragon check misses in a while as I unconsciously just play the game maxing that system out and still not going off my character concept. As you can go paragon or renegade a few times and still hit all the checks. That being said its a dumb system. Not only does it force you into almost full renegade, the when you do it matters as the check is not based on your total renegade score but the % of renegade points you could possibly obtain by that point in the game. Obviously transferring in with a big chunk of points and taking the level 4 class ability that increases your points more helps that quite a bit.(luckily I usually play adept and I prefer bastion anyways, the adept is Crowd control so the increased duration is key for my personal take on the adept) Back when it first game out I used the save game editor a lot, no longer feel the need.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 4, 2020 20:34:45 GMT
HmmmThis is really happening I think...
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 4, 2020 23:33:26 GMT
HmmmThis is really happening I think... I assumed they’d have to do something with that inventory system, because it was shit even then.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 5, 2020 20:13:29 GMT
HmmmThis is really happening I think... Sounds more like Hakon to m ebefoer I kick his ass.
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HmmmThis is really happening I think...
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 5, 2020 23:57:46 GMT
Daniel Ahmad @zhugeexEA also said they plan to release a new EA Originals title (Indie) and Remaster before March 31, 2021. It's not officially confirmed what these titles are, but I would imagine the latter is the heavily rumored Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 6, 2020 0:08:55 GMT
Daniel Ahmad @zhugeexEA also said they plan to release a new EA Originals title (Indie) and Remaster before March 31, 2021. It's not officially confirmed what these titles are, but I would imagine the latter is the heavily rumored Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster. Just to clarify, they just simply mean Fallen Order is coming to Stadia right? They don't mean dlc?
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Daniel Ahmad @zhugeexEA also said they plan to release a new EA Originals title (Indie) and Remaster before March 31, 2021. It's not officially confirmed what these titles are, but I would imagine the latter is the heavily rumored Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster. *Sigh* you have heard of the story about the boy who cried wolf right?
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Daniel Ahmad @zhugeexEA also said they plan to release a new EA Originals title (Indie) and Remaster before March 31, 2021. It's not officially confirmed what these titles are, but I would imagine the latter is the heavily rumored Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster. *Sigh* you have heard of the story about the boy who cried wolf right? Yet, it's been rated by a South Korean ratings board. Who leaked Hot Pursuit remastered and checks notes HP remastered is real.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 6, 2020 11:28:24 GMT
*Sigh* you have heard of the story about the boy who cried wolf right? Yet, it's been rated by a South Korean ratings board. Who leaked Hot Pursuit remastered and checks notes HP remastered is real. So? Doesn't mean that this "ME remaster" is real. Until it's been officially declared by EA or Bioware, it's just a rumour. A rumour that's hasn't been confirmed by the said people.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 6, 2020 11:52:53 GMT
Yet, it's been rated by a South Korean ratings board. Who leaked Hot Pursuit remastered and checks notes HP remastered is real. So? Doesn't mean that this "ME remaster" is real. Until it's been officially declared by EA or Bioware, it's just a rumour. A rumour that's hasn't been confirmed by the said people. You realize that their ratings board is from their government right? It's like the equivalent of the ESRB. They can't rate fake games that don't exist.
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