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Post by cloud9 on Nov 8, 2020 6:44:58 GMT
I'm not talking about their current projects. They're lazy for doing a remaster instead of a remake. -Remake the trilogy -Produce new games Can’t do both. The idea that the developer is lazy only works if they don’t have other major projects currently in development. It is lazy because they want to retain the ending and choices that would not matter, anyway. It's like they learned nothing from their mistakes.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2020 10:48:57 GMT
Anyone who believes that a Milk Way game would have been better with all the issues that led to BioWare’s dip in production quality (some of which due to the bad decision of using Frostbite), is being hopelessly naive. I'm not arguing that. Mass Effect committed franchise suicide with ME3. And it's OK if the developers choose not to touch the franchise again. But that's not what happened. ME:A was the only other option and the execution was less than stellar. Making the game in the Milky Way would also not have helped, indeed. The franchise suicide would still remain. Even if you un-suicide it, at this point, you've lost people for good, but you've also ensured that your franchise will never be a big thing again. ME, just like DA, will be a mediocre franchise, with some following going forward and it will never again be as big as it were, or as it could be. The best thing Bioware could do, is walk away from it.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2020 16:27:24 GMT
Hah, it’s true. And then we have Illium, an actual hellhole encased in a glitzy paintjob. At least on Omega, you know everyone’s out to get you, or sell you off as a slave. Indentured servitude. Get the hell outta here you blue slave drivers. I do enjoy how Shepard constantly says slave and the asari tries in vain to correct them. But yeah, when you really look at the history of the stuff that went on before humans entered the scene, I can only think “Damn, Ashley was right!” This is why she’s my favorite companion in ME1. If it wasn't for the fact that Ashley was blindly loyal to the very same people who dragged her family name in the dirt, I would have liked led her. She was loyal to the ALLIANCE, not to political opportunists. She specifically says she hates politicians. You can be loyal to a cause while disliking those at the helm.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2020 16:29:33 GMT
And the game currently in development isn’t? Let’s not kid ourselves here, however well (or badly) the new game in development fares is all that matters, not creating a full-blown do-over of a product nearly a decade old. Despite what a lot of the people complaining online want us to believe, quite a few people still actually love the trilogy as a whole. But they did fucked up the ending. Which it's still one of the biggest fuck ups that BioWare has ever done. Nono, it's ART! You just don't get it!
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Post by ahglock on Nov 8, 2020 16:34:43 GMT
But they did fucked up the ending. Which it's still one of the biggest fuck ups that BioWare has ever done. Nono, it's ART! You just don't get it! I wish someone would explain the deep mystery of art I missed. Like, I'm not a deep person so its totally possible I'm missing something in the endings. The people who non sarcastically say you don't get it never illuminate people with what they don't get.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 8, 2020 18:00:45 GMT
If it wasn't for the fact that Ashley was blindly loyal to the very same people who dragged her family name in the dirt, I would have liked led her. She was loyal to the ALLIANCE, not to political opportunists. She specifically says she hates politicians. You can be loyal to a cause while disliking those at the helm. Even if said cause sells out the human race? Then she should recheck her loyalties.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 8, 2020 20:44:49 GMT
I'm on the Xbox One so I'll never get to play it. Along with Fallout 3 remake mod and Fallout Miami mod. I'm getting a PC this coming year just to play Skyrim and Fallout with mods.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2020 5:24:27 GMT
She was loyal to the ALLIANCE, not to political opportunists. She specifically says she hates politicians. You can be loyal to a cause while disliking those at the helm. Even if said cause sells out the human race? Then she should recheck her loyalties. The Systems Alliance is intended to protect the human race. Selling them out isn't their cause, and she would have no respect for anyone who would (I always let her shoot Udina)
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2020 5:25:21 GMT
Nono, it's ART! You just don't get it! I wish someone would explain the deep mystery of art I missed. Like, I'm not a deep person so its totally possible I'm missing something in the endings . The people who non sarcastically say you don't get it never illuminate people with what they don't get. You would not know them, and there is no time to explain.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 9, 2020 5:29:01 GMT
-Remake the trilogy -Produce new games Can’t do both. The idea that the developer is lazy only works if they don’t have other major projects currently in development. It is lazy because they want to retain the ending and choices that would not matter, anyway. It's like they learned nothing from their mistakes. I can't remember anymore -- what exactly is it you're saying that they should be doing?
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 9, 2020 5:36:14 GMT
Hey, have all the remaster skeptics checked in yet? There's a lot of crow to be eaten.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 5:53:29 GMT
Nah, no crow to be eaten, too busy moving the goal posts and/or changing the subject.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2020 6:18:25 GMT
Even if said cause sells out the human race? Then she should recheck her loyalties. The Systems Alliance is intended to protect the human race. Selling them out isn't their cause, and she would have no respect for anyone who would (I always let her shoot Udina) Well, that's what they do repeatedly by putting the needs of the Council races first. Hell, they promoted a guy who let a whole colony get taken by the Collectors! Any other military that I can think of would have court-martialed him and/or had him face a firing squad.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2020 6:20:23 GMT
Hey, have all the remaster skeptics checked in yet? There's a lot of crow to be eaten. Crow's too feathery, got any beef?
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 9, 2020 6:55:45 GMT
Hey, have all the remaster skeptics checked in yet? There's a lot of crow to be eaten. Crow's too feathery, got any beef? A lot of people have a beef around here. Not sure you want to partake.
I thought news of a trilogy remaster and a new Mass Effect game should be cause for celebration. Until last year we thought Mass Effect was done for good.
Of course I have my druthers (I'd prefer MEA2 to a sequel, sidequel or reboot of the OT), but I see people cancelling their preorders for a game that hasn't even been made yet.
2020 has been a shitty year and we're all on edge, but I feel as though we should wait to see what Bioware has planned before getting all riled up.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 9, 2020 9:06:04 GMT
Crow's too feathery, got any beef? A lot of people have a beef around here. Not sure you want to partake.
I thought news of a trilogy remaster and a new Mass Effect game should be cause for celebration. Until last year we thought Mass Effect was done for good.
Of course I have my druthers (I'd prefer MEA2 to a sequel, sidequel or reboot of the OT), but I see people cancelling their preorders for a game that hasn't even been made yet.
2020 has been a shitty year and we're all on edge, but I feel as though we should wait to see what Bioware has planned before getting all riled up.
Precisely I'm no tgettin excited about anything until we hav emore info on their plans.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Nov 9, 2020 12:25:19 GMT
Crow's too feathery, got any beef? but I feel as though we should wait to see what Bioware has planned before getting all riled up.
I think asking for peace on Earth is much, much easier.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2020 14:28:06 GMT
I thought news of a trilogy remaster and a new Mass Effect game should be cause for celebration. Until last year we thought Mass Effect was done for good. I've said it before, I dread each new Bioware announcement. That they announced a new game, can just as easily end up being the start of a new Bioware controversy. It's not like Bioware hasn't got a track record with them. They've been getting them since DA2, with each new release. Why would this be any different? Of course I have my druthers (I'd prefer MEA2 to a sequel, sidequel or reboot of the OT), but I see people cancelling their preorders for a game that hasn't even been made yet. It would imply people would have preordered in the first place, or even wanted the product Bioware was making. As I've said, this only serves to take us back to 2012. Last I recall, 2012 wasn't a good time for Bioware's reputation. Which is why I don't think it's a good PR move for Bioware and I don't think it will have much commercial outreach.
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Post by regack on Nov 9, 2020 14:51:37 GMT
I thought news of a trilogy remaster and a new Mass Effect game should be cause for celebration. Until last year we thought Mass Effect was done for good. I've said it before, I dread each new Bioware announcement. That they announced a new game, can just as easily end up being the start of a new Bioware controversy. It's not like Bioware hasn't got a track record with them. They've been getting them since DA2, with each new release. Why would this be any different? Of course I have my druthers (I'd prefer MEA2 to a sequel, sidequel or reboot of the OT), but I see people cancelling their preorders for a game that hasn't even been made yet. It would imply people would have preordered in the first place, or even wanted the product Bioware was making. As I've said, this only serves to take us back to 2012. Last I recall, 2012 wasn't a good time for Bioware's reputation. Which is why I don't think it's a good PR move for Bioware and I don't think it will have much commercial outreach. Why do you dread it? BioWare/EA is a corporation, it's not your friend. If they make a good product, buy it. If they don't... well... don't spend your money or your time on it. I don't meant this to sound harsh, I'm just wondering why it's a cause for such apprehension. I'm pretty sure Shinobu was being hyperbolic about the pre-orders, mostly picking fun at the people who get all huffy and say something along the lines of "the box is fuchsia! pre-order cancelled!" extending that even further to them pre-cancelling their pre-order prematurely. Back on topic, I'm fine with whatever they do. I'd like to wrap up the MEA story, because I think my biggest problem with MEA is that the story just doesn't feel complete. But I'd also be happy to go back to the Milky Way and have a story set during the interim. Doesn't have to be a prequel, or sequel, it can be a midquel, just tell a good story set in the universe. That's what I really want. A. Good. Story. You don't have to save the galaxy to have a good story. If you think about how huge the Citadel actually is... you could have that be the setting for the entire game... assuming the story is well written. If I'm perfectly honest though, I've pretty much given up any hope of that being the case, and thus... if the product is good, I'll buy it. If not, I'll look for something else.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2020 15:52:40 GMT
Why do you dread it? BioWare/EA is a corporation, it's not your friend. If they make a good product, buy it. If they don't... well... don't spend your money or your time on it. I don't meant this to sound harsh, I'm just wondering why it's a cause for such apprehension. I've been a fan of Bioware since 1998. It's been a while. Some of my fondest gaming memories include skipping school (lel) to play Baldur's Gate 1. Baldur's Gate 2 has been one of, if not the, best RPG I've ever played. And yes, I know, times have changed, it's old, it's dated etc. Baldur's Gate 2 still is a benchmark for RPGs, for what it did and how it achieved it for the genre, at its time, with the tech that was available to it. Very few games manage to measure up to it and most of those few that do, are other Bioware games. So when Bioware's games fall short of that level, sometimes it's OK. NWN OC wasn't that great. Jade Empire, eh, was OK, nothing great, but still fun. But every single release since DA2 has been met with some controversy. I know Bioware are not my friends, I've never had such delusions. But the name itself carries a weight. So when I see it getting trashed in the mud, it hurts. It's like your favourite football (soccer, for my American friends) team. I know that Brazil, for example, is not the team that I grew up with anymore. Romario and Bebeto left the sport decades ago. But it still hurt seeing them trashed by Germany. Even as I criticize the team myself. Brazil's football team, to me, still stands for something. And so does Bioware. But I trust neither, at this point. I'm pretty sure Shinobu was being hyperbolic about the pre-orders, mostly picking fun at the people who get all huffy and say something along the lines of "the box is fuchsia! pre-order cancelled!" extending that even further to them pre-cancelling their pre-order prematurely. I understand that. I'm just saying Shinobu is dismissing something, without understanding the why. Or perhaps even caring to understand it. Back on topic, I'm fine with whatever they do. I'd like to wrap up the MEA story At this point, with what I know, I'd rather that, too. They can fuck up Andromeda as much as they want, it'll be merciful for the Milky Way legacy of Mass Effect. Not that they left that in any good state, but they can't fuck it up any worse, if they don't touch it. because I think my biggest problem with MEA is that the story just doesn't feel complete. Agreed. But I'd also be happy to go back to the Milky Way and have a story set during the interim I'd rather not. Doesn't have to be a prequel, or sequel, it can be a midquel, just tell a good story set in the universe. That's what I really want. A. Good. Story. It might be a good premise, but the implementation will be subpar. As is usual the case. You don't have to save the galaxy to have a good story. I never implied we did. If you think about how huge the Citadel actually is... you could have that be the setting for the entire game... assuming the story is well written. That's a big assumption. If I'm perfectly honest though, I've pretty much given up any hope of that being the case, and thus... if the product is good, I'll buy it. If not, I'll look for something else. I don't know. Where would you look?
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Post by regack on Nov 9, 2020 16:30:53 GMT
Why do you dread it? BioWare/EA is a corporation, it's not your friend. If they make a good product, buy it. If they don't... well... don't spend your money or your time on it. I don't meant this to sound harsh, I'm just wondering why it's a cause for such apprehension. I've been a fan of Bioware since 1998. It's been a while. Some of my fondest gaming memories include skipping school (lel) to play Baldur's Gate 1. Baldur's Gate 2 has been one of, if not the, best RPG I've ever played. And yes, I know, times have changed, it's old, it's dated etc. Baldur's Gate 2 still is a benchmark for RPGs, for what it did and how it achieved it for the genre, at its time, with the tech that was available to it. Very few games manage to measure up to it and most of those few that do, are other Bioware games. So when Bioware's games fall short of that level, sometimes it's OK. NWN OC wasn't that great. Jade Empire, eh, was OK, nothing great, but still fun. But every single release since DA2 has been met with some controversy. I know Bioware are not my friends, I've never had such delusions. But the name itself carries a weight. So when I see it getting trashed in the mud, it hurts. It's like your favourite football (soccer, for my American friends) team. I know that Brazil, for example, is not the team that I grew up with anymore. Romario and Bebeto left the sport decades ago. But it still hurt seeing them trashed by Germany. Even as I criticize the team myself. Brazil's football team, to me, still stands for something. And so does Bioware. But I trust neither, at this point. I'm pretty sure Shinobu was being hyperbolic about the pre-orders, mostly picking fun at the people who get all huffy and say something along the lines of "the box is fuchsia! pre-order cancelled!" extending that even further to them pre-cancelling their pre-order prematurely. I understand that. I'm just saying Shinobu is dismissing something, without understanding the why. Or perhaps even caring to understand it. Back on topic, I'm fine with whatever they do. I'd like to wrap up the MEA story At this point, with what I know, I'd rather that, too. They can fuck up Andromeda as much as they want, it'll be merciful for the Milky Way legacy of Mass Effect. Not that they left that in any good state, but they can't fuck it up any worse, if they don't touch it. because I think my biggest problem with MEA is that the story just doesn't feel complete. Agreed. But I'd also be happy to go back to the Milky Way and have a story set during the interim I'd rather not. Doesn't have to be a prequel, or sequel, it can be a midquel, just tell a good story set in the universe. That's what I really want. A. Good. Story. It might be a good premise, but the implementation will be subpar. As is usual the case.
You don't have to save the galaxy to have a good story. I never implied we did. Ahh, sorry, I wasn't intending to suggest that you said anything about saving the galaxy being a requirement, those were just my stray thoughts separate from anything you had said. If you think about how huge the Citadel actually is... you could have that be the setting for the entire game... assuming the story is well written. That's a big assumption. Yes, too big of an assumption. I've just always thought that the Citadel would be a really interesting setting to explore in depth, again, my thoughts were wandering to "What if..." If I'm perfectly honest though, I've pretty much given up any hope of that being the case, and thus... if the product is good, I'll buy it. If not, I'll look for something else. I don't know. Where would you look? Where would I look for other games? Or where would I look to see if it's any good or not? I don't dispute anything else you've said, I was just curious why you felt such apprehension, which I think you've framed perfectly. I understand where you're coming from. I think I was there at one point, but sadly, I gave up. It is disappointing to see the BioWare-that-was change to ... something else. As an aside, I still have my original Baldur's Gate cds, I did throw out the boxes years ago to save some space while moving. I did keep the tome-like manuals... I miss the fact that games used to come with books and maps and stuff like that in the box.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2020 17:24:09 GMT
Ahh, sorry, I wasn't intending to suggest that you said anything about saving the galaxy being a requirement Nor did I mean to insinuate that. I just meant we're on the same page. Yes, too big of an assumption. I've just always thought that the Citadel would be a really interesting setting to explore in depth, again, my thoughts were wandering to "What if..." It's a good idea and a great setting. One with merit. As most things worth exploring. It won't be an easy sell, though. Where would I look for other games? Yes. I see some rising stars in the genre. InXile seems to be doing well, with Microsoft's backing. Obsidian could make a big comeback with Avowed, there's Bethesda's Starfield hoping to step into ME's shoes and Spiders, though relatively small and not as impressive so far, are growing and improving on a per game basis. Of course, there are other genres as well and other studios for them. If not for Tecmo Koei making Warriors Orochi 3 (Warriors Orochi 2 for Japan) and Harebrained Schemes making Shadowrun,, after ME3, I would have dropped out of gaming completely. ME3 was the Germany - Brazil moment for me, as I referenced earlier.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2020 17:28:15 GMT
The Systems Alliance is intended to protect the human race. Selling them out isn't their cause, and she would have no respect for anyone who would (I always let her shoot Udina) Well, that's what they do repeatedly by putting the needs of the Council races first. Hell, they promoted a guy who let a whole colony get taken by the Collectors! Any other military that I can think of would have court-martialed him and/or had him face a firing squad. Wait, who are we talking about? And those colonies were outside Alliance space (assuming you're talking about Horizon) so there's not a whole hell of a lot to be done there, given they had no idea who was abducting the colonies, or how to defend against them.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2020 20:57:51 GMT
Well, that's what they do repeatedly by putting the needs of the Council races first. Hell, they promoted a guy who let a whole colony get taken by the Collectors! Any other military that I can think of would have court-martialed him and/or had him face a firing squad. Wait, who are we talking about? And those colonies were outside Alliance space (assuming you're talking about Horizon) so there's not a whole hell of a lot to be done there, given they had no idea who was abducting the colonies, or how to defend against them. James Vega.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 9, 2020 23:38:01 GMT
I've said it before, I dread each new Bioware announcement. That they announced a new game, can just as easily end up being the start of a new Bioware controversy. It's not like Bioware hasn't got a track record with them. They've been getting them since DA2, with each new release. Why would this be any different? It would imply people would have preordered in the first place, or even wanted the product Bioware was making. As I've said, this only serves to take us back to 2012. Last I recall, 2012 wasn't a good time for Bioware's reputation. Which is why I don't think it's a good PR move for Bioware and I don't think it will have much commercial outreach. I'm pretty sure Shinobu was being hyperbolic about the pre-orders, mostly picking fun at the people who get all huffy and say something along the lines of "the box is fuchsia! pre-order cancelled!" extending that even further to them pre-cancelling their pre-order prematurely. Yes, this. It just struck me as funny that Bioware officially announced that Mass Effect is not, in fact, dead, and instead of getting the explosion of joy they were no doubt hoping for, they got: "Mass Effect isn't dead? Preorder cancelled!"
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise?
Well, I'm happy, and I'll most likely buy whatever they make if it's good, even if it's not exactly what I'm hoping for. I love Shepard AND Ryder and I just want a fun game, wherever it takes place.
Not sure I'll get the legendary edition since I'm on PC, but if it offers stuff that I want I'm open to getting it.
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