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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2020 23:51:20 GMT
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise? I'd like to, but I don't think I can.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 10, 2020 0:01:47 GMT
I'm pretty sure Shinobu was being hyperbolic about the pre-orders, mostly picking fun at the people who get all huffy and say something along the lines of "the box is fuchsia! pre-order cancelled!" extending that even further to them pre-cancelling their pre-order prematurely. Yes, this. It just struck me as funny that Bioware officially announced that Mass Effect is not, in fact, dead, and instead of getting the explosion of joy they were no doubt hoping for, they got: "Mass Effect isn't dead? Preorder cancelled!"
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise?
Well, I'm happy, and I'll most likely buy whatever they make if it's good, even if it's not exactly what I'm hoping for. I love Shepard AND Ryder and I just want a fun game, wherever it takes place.
Not sure I'll get the legendary edition since I'm on PC, but if it offers stuff that I want I'm open to getting it.
I'm more in the camp of "Mass Effect isn't dead? Meh, pass on the remaster". As for ME next, time will tell if it interests me into buying it or passing on it.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 10, 2020 0:29:57 GMT
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise? I'd like to, but I don't think I can. I'm sorry to hear that.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 10, 2020 3:28:20 GMT
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise?
Well, I'm happy, and I'll most likely buy whatever they make if it's good, even if it's not exactly what I'm hoping for. I love Shepard AND Ryder and I just want a fun game, wherever it takes place. These two lines I'm with you on. I'm really excited for the ME Remaster, even with the horrible ending. Because it'd be awesome to play them again. However, too many on here just want to yell and shout at others for enjoying something they don't (both fans of the OT and fans of Andromeda - both sides are guilty of this). And it's not everyone; which really is an improvement from the time of the end of ME3/start of Andromeda. Not a huge one, but an improvement all the same (I realize some will say I'm crazy or don't know what I'm talking about, but I read threads, and I still see those who, while might be negative, still don't offer a "blind hatred/obedience style response). Not everyone liked Andromeda, and that's perfectly okay! There were valid criticisms about it, but was it all horrible? No! I'd be willing to give an Andromeda sequel a chance. I'd want to see story/plot and some idea on how profiles will work before I jump into it with excitement. As for a side-quell in the Milky Way? Again - same answer. I'd want to see story/gameplay mechanics before I jump into any sort of excitement. But if the story can at least be entertaining and enjoyable, I'd settle for that. And again, yeah - I'm looking forward to the Legendary Edition of the OT
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Post by helios969 on Nov 10, 2020 7:59:27 GMT
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise? I'll join hands and sing Kumbaya with you. I'm going to buy it even though I own every little thing from the series. Better textures? Hell, yes.
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 10, 2020 11:42:07 GMT
Crow's too feathery, got any beef? A lot of people have a beef around here. Not sure you want to partake.
I thought news of a trilogy remaster and a new Mass Effect game should be cause for celebration. Until last year we thought Mass Effect was done for good.
Of course I have my druthers (I'd prefer MEA2 to a sequel, sidequel or reboot of the OT), but I see people cancelling their preorders for a game that hasn't even been made yet.
2020 has been a shitty year and we're all on edge, but I feel as though we should wait to see what Bioware has planned before getting all riled up.
Consider me not on edge, and largely free of lingering resentment, but also largely free of a celebratory mood. I feel...mild anticipation.
The problem is this: ME3's ending casts its shadow back through the trilogy. When I start ME1 and see Sovereign lift off of Eden Prime, I will think of how it all ends, and then my motivation to play on is severely curbed. So I haven't touched an MET game since 2013, and it is unlikely that I will again, remastered or not.
The reasons for this have been discussed up and down and I won't repeat them. It's a shame, really, since otherwise ME3 is a high point in Bioware's storytelling. All the minor threads come together rather nicely, and the integration of gameplay and story is exemplary. But they made a serious mistake about how players perceived what it was all about, and/or how much they could redirect the dominant theme, and the outcome is that many of those invested most in the trilogy lost their connection. So it is my impression that the remaster is not for us, but for those who heard of ME and would like to play it, but would be put off by the dated visuals. And if you are less invested to start with, you won't be as affected by the ending.
As for a new game, I'll give it the same chance as I give other games, but it seems to me that Bioware has not been very creative after ME3. DAI was good, but formulaic and had a disappointingly simplistic main plot, and it annoyed with an epilogue that forced you to lose. MEA was.... mediocre. Other developers have also caught up to what made Bioware's best games great, and if I want to play games reminescent of Bioware's great successes (and whatever my misgivings, the MET is among those), I now have a significant number of other options. Bioware's dialogue scenes are still unmatched in presentation, if not in content, as far as I can see, but that alone can't carry a storytelling game to success.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2020 16:20:11 GMT
So it is my impression that the remaster is not for us, but for those who heard of ME and would like to play it, but would be put off by the dated visuals. And if you are less invested to start with, you won't be as affected by the ending. You know, I do talk to people who play the games for the first time and I ... their reaction isn't exactly positive. Like, they like the gameplay, but they always talk about how the story is shit and we shouldn't have expected better of Bioware. The games, whether it is because they didn't have to wait for so long between them or Bioware's current reputation, they don't capture them. Bioware hasn't been making fans and the trilogy doesn't seem to capture them, retroactively. New character models won't help, either. They're not what makes or breaks the games. Which is why I don't think this remaster is, basically, for anyone, other than to remind people that ME existed, but Bioware is still alive, somehow, for some reason. Yes, there are people who will buy the remaster, yes there are people who wanted the remaster for a very long time, though it offers nothing new, basically, but if this is what Bioware expects will reignite the old generation of fans and create a new one as well, this isn't it. This is life support.
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Post by biggydx on Nov 10, 2020 16:53:58 GMT
Dude, I must really be in the minority here since I never let the final 20-30 minutes of ME3 sour my entire experience with the franchise; which is still my favorite. Was the ending a good one? No. But what could they have done? The board was set the moment ME1 introduced Sovereign as an envoy to an even great threat. I don't even think Drew Karpashyn had any ideas as to how to resolve the ending. People had all their various fan-fictions, but I think a lot of them would have been contentious for much of the die-hard fanbase; including the Indoctrination theory.
I wont continue delving deeper into those those old scars though. I just want to reinforce the point that these games are meant for those who want back on the nostalgia train, a means to build up their collections, or to introduce a new audience to the franchise.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 10, 2020 17:06:09 GMT
No one loathed the ending more than me but I’ve gone back through the trilogy countless times since.
Completely sympathise with those soured by the experience, but on balance my feelings for the ending are massively offset by my adoration for the rest of the trilogy.
I will, without doubt pick up the remaster. I probably won’t get the new game though. I found MEA to be such a hollow experience. The bugs were irritating but it went beyond that, it just felt like a chore to play through a large proportion of the game to get to the bits that I genuinely enjoyed. I had planned on multiple play throughs, just like I’d done with ever other ME, but tbh, within an hour or two of restarting I’d had enough and I’ve never been back since.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2020 18:08:43 GMT
I just want to reinforce the point that these games are meant for those who want back on the nostalgia train, a means to build up their collections, or to introduce a new audience to the franchise. Doubt it.
Edit: Also, from what I read, some of the biggest mods, EGM and MEHEM among them, will not be seeing a compatible version for the remaster. So the PC remaster offers nothing other than the updated character models. You can get better textures and better gameplay on the already existing games on the PC, with mods, than anything this remaster has to offer. The modding community is simply not following along.
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Post by Felya87 on Nov 10, 2020 19:31:42 GMT
I just want to reinforce the point that these games are meant for those who want back on the nostalgia train, a means to build up their collections, or to introduce a new audience to the franchise. Doubt it.
Edit: Also, from what I read, some of the biggest mods, EGM and MEHEM among them, will not be seeing a compatible version for the remaster. So the PC remaster offers nothing other than the updated character models. You can get better textures and better gameplay on the already existing games on the PC, with mods, than anything this remaster has to offer. The modding community is simply not following along.
I think you overestimate the modder community...is actually a really small number of pc gamers. Most pc players don't waste time with older games at all. Even less with mods. The only exeptions of really engaging modding communityes even years after the game was out are The Elders Scrolls and The Sims 3/4. Otherwise, is such a small percentage that is no worth looking at.
I look at my PS4 (and Switrch and steam) catalogue, and there are a big number of remasters (not remake. Remasters) there. From both PS1, PS2, and PS3 era. I doubt they all do it just for little gain. A remaster of Mass Effect trilogy is a very profitable thing. You can deny it all you want, but it is. Lots of new players will get the trilogy, even just for the fact that is an old glory that for a number of reasons didn't get to play at the time.
And even if players don't buy it... it's still a way to have people talk about the IP. It's a way to have people interested. Let the brand known, never forgotten. From every point of view, the remaster is a good move on Bio part. Could be done better? Probably. Could they add more? Of course. Do we know if more is done, tho? No. Let's just wait and see.
I gain nothing in being negative, so I'll be curiously optimist.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2020 23:22:26 GMT
I think you overestimate the modder community. Maybe. But it's just that the mods, especially ones like EGM, make for a vastly superior experience to base ME3. Maybe the mod community is very small, but Skyrim would beg to differ. Most pc players don't waste time with older games at all. So they won't be looking forward to the Remaster, either, then. I don't understand the point you're trying to make. I look at my PS4 (and Switrch and steam) catalogue, and there are a big number of remasters (not remake. Remasters) there. From both PS1, PS2, and PS3 era. I doubt they all do it just for little gain. Yes, they do. The number of successful remasters are TLoU1 and Skyrim. Literally no other remaster has hit huge numbers, outside of, maybe, several hundred thousands, at best. The Command & Conquer remaster we got recently, I read sold something like 500k? I doubt ME has a bigger audience, at this point. The NFS remasters did similar numbers, Sleeping Dogs as well, the Assassins Creed 3 remaster went by and nobody realized it, BamHam remaster ... did it even release? If it did, it must have sold like shit. The Silent Hill 2 remaster effectively killed itself with the job done to it and don't even get me started on Warcraft 3: Reblundered. Yes, they turn a profit, because they are made on shoestring budget, but that's the appeal of these titles to these companies. Like, the ME remaster won't cost $10 million CAD a year, but even at 500k copies sold, at $60 a piece, it's $30 million USD in total revenue, with at least $15 of those going back to EA. The margins in these title are huge. I doubt this remaster has a budget larger than $1 million CAD. Of which, EA is probably going to get 30% of it back, through their tax cut deals with Canada and even so, $1 CA is like $0.75 US? This is peanuts for EA, for a guaranteed profit. And even if players don't buy it... it's still a way to have people talk about the IP People talked about Andromeda, too. Not all talk is good talk. I talk to new kids that went through the trilogy and they overwhelmingly laugh at the writing in ME3. Hearsay, sure, but that was the reaction back in the day, why would it be any different today? I expect equal division from any new number of players, as back in 2012. It's what I see and what I expect. It's a way to have people interested. Let the brand known, never forgotten I'd argue, at this point, it's better left forgotten. It'd be merciful. No more dragging through the mud. Hasn't ME gone through enough? Could they add more? Of course. Do we know if more is done, tho? No. Let's just wait and see. The VAs confirmed they haven't been contacted for new content and Casey basically confirmed it's a texture pack with reshade. I gain nothing in being negative, so I'll be curiously optimist. You gain not being disappointed.
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Post by melbella on Nov 11, 2020 1:26:15 GMT
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise? I'll join hands and sing Kumbaya with you. I'm going to buy it even though I own every little thing from the series. Better textures? Hell, yes.
I figure it will be yet another game/set of games I can't play on my current PC so won't buy on release since I can't play it anyway. I'm waiting for DA4 to have a release date before I start looking into new hardware (and software, damn Win10 anyway).
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Post by ahglock on Nov 11, 2020 2:53:57 GMT
Dude, I must really be in the minority here since I never let the final 20-30 minutes of ME3 sour my entire experience with the franchise; which is still my favorite. Was the ending a good one? No. But what could they have done? The board was set the moment ME1 introduced Sovereign as an envoy to an even great threat. I don't even think Drew Karpashyn had any ideas as to how to resolve the ending. People had all their various fan-fictions, but I think a lot of them would have been contentious for much of the die-hard fanbase; including the Indoctrination theory. I wont continue delving deeper into those those old scars though. I just want to reinforce the point that these games are meant for those who want back on the nostalgia train, a means to build up their collections, or to introduce a new audience to the franchise. Same for me. I hate the ending but love the trilogy. I've played through them more times than I can count. If the ending ruined it for me I'd of stopped doing that.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 11, 2020 7:02:22 GMT
I'll join hands and sing Kumbaya with you. I'm going to buy it even though I own every little thing from the series. Better textures? Hell, yes.
I figure it will be yet another game/set of games I can't play on my current PC so won't buy on release since I can't play it anyway. I'm waiting for DA4 to have a release date before I start looking into new hardware (and software, damn Win10 anyway). I wouldn't think upping the textures should impede anyone from taking advantage on an older rig...unless we're talking early 2010's maybe.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 11, 2020 10:41:43 GMT
I'll join hands and sing Kumbaya with you. I'm going to buy it even though I own every little thing from the series. Better textures? Hell, yes.
I figure it will be yet another game/set of games I can't play on my current PC so won't buy on release since I can't play it anyway. I'm waiting for DA4 to have a release date before I start looking into new hardware (and software, damn Win10 anyway). Yo ushould b eOK because it's only a remastre not a remak eand it i sbein greleased on current gen so a slon gas you rsystem you play on can handle PS4/XB1 games you should be fine.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 11, 2020 11:22:23 GMT
I was wrong. I thought the remaster was bogus rumour. Because I can't see much benefit in better texture version. I still don't. Maybe for a version that has all the DLC, I only ever played ME3 DLC. But honestly, I played the trilogy a lot and they are still on my Origin account. They should maybe have checked their DLC pricing before - it never looked very attractive to me.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 11, 2020 11:46:29 GMT
I was wrong. I thought the remaster was bogus rumour. Because I can't see much benefit in better texture version. I still don't. Maybe for a version that has all the DLC, I only ever played ME3 DLC. But honestly, I played the trilogy a lot and they are still on my Origin account. They should maybe have checked their DLC pricing before - it never looked very attractive to me. Wanna place a bet that Bioware will still screw up the hair textures? 😆
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Post by Felya87 on Nov 11, 2020 12:27:25 GMT
The VAs confirmed they haven't been contacted for new content and Casey basically confirmed it's a texture pack with reshade. A - the VA may not have been contacted yet to voice a few lines. B - No new lines are needed for the new content, be it because the new content is not voiced, or because unused lines may be used. You gain not being disappointed. At least I will cry (I don't have reason to, but let's say there should be a reason to)one time only instead of cry from now every day until the day the trilogy is out. Remasters need little resources, and don't need great sales to be remunerative. Some even get to sell more than expected, like the FFIX very basic remaster, who just got the honor of a pisical edition after being out for years on Switch, PS4 and PC. Or the Okami remaster, who have now jumped almost three generation of consoles between the PS3, PS4, Swich and I think PC too since it was out for the PS2. And it will came to PS5 surely too. The remasters are a plus, useful for new pc (since most pc games are allergice to newer machines)and new console players. I don't really understand why people are so negative about it just to be negative.
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Post by melbella on Nov 11, 2020 12:33:45 GMT
I figure it will be yet another game/set of games I can't play on my current PC so won't buy on release since I can't play it anyway. I'm waiting for DA4 to have a release date before I start looking into new hardware (and software, damn Win10 anyway). I wouldn't think upping the textures should impede anyone from taking advantage on an older rig...unless we're talking early 2010's maybe.
We are (2011 pc build, 2014 graphics upgrade), and considering installing the hi res mod for ME1 caused the game to freeze up on Noveria, I'm not convinced this wouldn't cause similar issues for all 3 games. I had to uninstall the mod to finish the game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 11, 2020 13:52:36 GMT
B - No new lines are needed for the new content, be it because the new content is not voiced, or because unused lines may be used. Then what is the point of mute content, in an RPG? It's not story content, so who is going to care? At least I will cry (I don't have reason to, but let's say there should be a reason to)one time only instead of cry from now every day until the day the trilogy is out. You assume too much. Are we at the point where being critical of something, being considered triggered? I am supposed to blindly accept everything? I don't understand your reasoning. I see it as a bad move and until " someone" explains to us the thought process behind such a decision, or why they expect something different than last time, then maybe I can be on board with it. Remasters need little resources, and don't need great sales to be remunerative. Some even get to sell more than expected, like the FFIX very basic remaster, who just got the honor of a pisical edition after being out for years on Switch, PS4 and PC. Or the Okami remaster, who have now jumped almost three generation of consoles between the PS3, PS4, Swich and I think PC too since it was out for the PS2. And it will came to PS5 surely too. The remasters are a plus, useful for new pc (since most pc games are allergice to newer machines)and new console players. I don't really understand why people are so negative about it just to be negative. I am negative because the trilogy is still being regarded in a negative light, as long as it remains associated to ME3. Largely. Just as it was back in the day. It hasn't changed and expecting it to change, just because, isn't going to happen, no matter the wishful thinking. Bioware is still going to get ridiculed, again, by the new players, so long as ME3, or at the very least its ending, remain in its current form, both the franchise's and Bioware's reputation will remain tarnished. If the point is for EA to make an easy buck, congrats. It shows me exactly the mentality behind the studio and the publisher and it is not done in a consumer friendly manner, for me to endorse it. I still have the freedom of will to choose and reject it.
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 11, 2020 14:16:21 GMT
Not all talk is good talk. How very true. Back in 2012, they said they wanted ME3's ending to be memorable and wanted people to talk about it. So...yeah, they got that, but I doubt it's what they wanted. They did say they were ok with it....but of course they did. I said be careful what you wish for and all that. Personally, I'd rather have a new game than a remaster. MEA was mediocre, but the setting had potential, and a new game wouldn't be affected as much by any MET baggage players carry around. It's not that the setting has lost its attraction for me, but rather that I'm not seeing Bioware delivering a satisfying experience any more compared to games made by certain other developers. So...we'll see. If they manage to make a good DA4 I might get a little excited once again, but EA's business model seems to leave less and less room for what I'd like to see.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 11, 2020 14:26:20 GMT
Not all talk is good talk. How very true. Back in 2012, they said they wanted ME3's ending to be memorable and wanted people to talk about it. So...yeah, they got that, but I doubt it's what they wanted. They did say they were ok with it....but of course they did. I said be careful what you wish for and all that. Personally, I'd rather have a new game than a remaster. MEA was mediocre, but the setting had potential, and a new game wouldn't be affected as much by any MET baggage players carry around. It's not that the setting has lost its attraction for me, but rather that I'm not seeing Bioware delivering a satisfying experience any more compared to games made by certain other developers. So...we'll see. If they manage to make a good DA4 I might get a little excited once again, but EA's business model seems to leave less and less room for what I'd like to see. Indeed.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 11, 2020 14:38:18 GMT
I'm pretty sure Shinobu was being hyperbolic about the pre-orders, mostly picking fun at the people who get all huffy and say something along the lines of "the box is fuchsia! pre-order cancelled!" extending that even further to them pre-cancelling their pre-order prematurely. Yes, this. It just struck me as funny that Bioware officially announced that Mass Effect is not, in fact, dead, and instead of getting the explosion of joy they were no doubt hoping for, they got: "Mass Effect isn't dead? Preorder cancelled!"
Seriously, can we all just be happy together for 5 minutes before going back to anticipating a bleak future for the franchise?
Well, I'm happy, and I'll most likely buy whatever they make if it's good, even if it's not exactly what I'm hoping for. I love Shepard AND Ryder and I just want a fun game, wherever it takes place.
Not sure I'll get the legendary edition since I'm on PC, but if it offers stuff that I want I'm open to getting it.
The online reaction is why I was doubtful of the remaster happening in the first place. I guess BioWare just hasn't learned their lesson yet or I consider the online community to have a stronger impact on the game then they really do. I do agree, I am not sure about buying the Legendary Edition for myself yet, but if there is something added that I think improves my experience with the games I will consider purchasing it since I still go back and replay BioWare games when there isn't a new release that interests me.
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