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Post by OdanUrr on May 8, 2020 22:51:18 GMT
The only place this could sell, is PS5, but ME never had much of a fanbase on PS. I'm not saying the title isn't going to sell a single copy. I'm saying this will sell a lot less than people expect. People who wanted to get into ME, already have, either on PC or XBONE. The games aren't as old, but neither as fresh, anymore, to sell like the TLoU remaster, early last gen. With the new consoles on the horizon and the new games that come along with them, most people will want to see that new tech in action. A late era UE3 game, with updated textures won't be it. EA would need to make a considerable revamp of the game, to make it worthwhile to the greater gaming public and I don't believe EA has that much faith in this, but rather want a quick, easy buck. Perhaps, perhaps not. Mass Effect is certainly older than TLoU so that's a title worth remastering. If I were EA, I'd release them one at a time to gauge the market and pull the plug if there's not enough interest. A remake doesn't make a lot of sense at this time, maybe in the next generation (if there is one).
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 8, 2020 22:52:20 GMT
Sorry but there people would love to play mass effect remastered in updated graphics on the next generation. if it's not for you then don't buy it. That's fine. But if they were smart, it would be wise to go with the remake and start with the first game and start from there. Take a look at DOOM 2016, for example. Where a reboot thought it was going to be a disaster, but it ended up one of the best reboots of the DOOM franchise by new and old players alike. Actually, Doom 2016 and Enteral is a sequel to Doomguy's last game.
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Post by cloud9 on May 8, 2020 22:52:41 GMT
I don't know what to say at this point, except whoever decided to use Frostbite is very incompetent. 😤😤 That was EA, they wanted all their games made in Frostbite which they own EA got to fuck it up for everybody, don't they?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 22:53:20 GMT
Basically some people want something impossible to do, a game made to cater all their whims. I think you're making a disservice to people's complaints with this. I don't expect a game that caters to all my whims. Because that would be pandering. And I don't want to be pandered to. I would like a logical continuation of the things I did in the previous game, though. A remaster would go a long way on creating interest with a new generation of gamers while preparing the way for a new game in the future. It is the best option for the trilogy in case they decide to do something with it. I talk with a ton of people who get into the trilogy for the first time, these days, as they were too young back then or just skipped ME at the time. The only thing I get from them is "the MP of ME3 was great, hence why I believe it was the best, the story sucks, but people were dumb to believe it could be done well". In other words, they hate the SP, but love the MP and MP is all they like. I don't think an always online ME is what ME fans want, but the "new" fans seem to want it. I don't think there's much of a fanbase to be discovered beyond us and what fanbase there is to be discovered, want AntheM Effect.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 23:00:12 GMT
Perhaps, perhaps not. Mass Effect is certainly older than TLoU so that's a title worth remastering. If I were EA, I'd release them one at a time to gauge the market and pull the plug if there's not enough interest. A remake doesn't make a lot of sense at this time, maybe in the next generation (if there is one). Unless we'd be talking complete, total overhaul, nobody would buy a 13-14 year old game for a texture pack. TLoU was a late PS3 era game that got an immediate remake for PS4, so that everyone that had played it recently, could enjoy it again, with a more grandiose visual experience and anyone who missed it, had a chance to discover it. And the TLoU remaster, if I recall, sold more than the original. Didn't it? Oh, no, it only sold 1 million copies, according to wikipedia. Yeah, no. I don't see ME remaster hitting that 1 million.
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Post by cloud9 on May 8, 2020 23:02:49 GMT
Sounds like a bunch of excuses. If BioWare want people to play their games, then they should be able to use tools that produces high quality games. Have You ever actually worked? I mean, anywhere? Are you hiring?
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Post by OdanUrr on May 8, 2020 23:14:58 GMT
Unless we'd be talking complete, total overhaul, nobody would buy a 13-14 year old game for a texture pack. TLoU was a late PS3 era game that got an immediate remake for PS4, so that everyone that had played it recently, could enjoy it again, with a more grandiose visual experience and anyone who missed it, had a chance to discover it. And the TLoU remaster, if I recall, sold more than the original. Didn't it? Oh, no, it only sold 1 million copies, according to wikipedia. Yeah, no. I don't see ME remaster hitting that 1 million. I took a look at those figures. According to Polygon, somewhere around the end of August 2014, combined sales for TLoU across both consoles hit 8 million, with sales for the Remastered version accounting for only 1 million, having released at the end of July 2014. However, according to this tweet from Naughty Dog on June 2018, the game had already sold 17 million copies as of April 2018. I couldn't find concrete numbers for the PS3 and PS4 versions, but I would imagine people bought the Remastered version once it became available. If so, the Remastered version seems to have sold as well as the original, if not better. PS: According to VGChartz, as of May 2019, TLoU Remastered has shipped (not sold) 11,780,000 units. And Wikipedia lists TLoU Remastered as the 4th best-selling PS4 title with 10 million copies sold.
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Post by cloud9 on May 8, 2020 23:27:24 GMT
Unless we'd be talking complete, total overhaul, nobody would buy a 13-14 year old game for a texture pack. TLoU was a late PS3 era game that got an immediate remake for PS4, so that everyone that had played it recently, could enjoy it again, with a more grandiose visual experience and anyone who missed it, had a chance to discover it. And the TLoU remaster, if I recall, sold more than the original. Didn't it? Oh, no, it only sold 1 million copies, according to wikipedia. Yeah, no. I don't see ME remaster hitting that 1 million. I took a look at those figures. According to Polygon, somewhere around the end of August 2014, combined sales for TLoU across both consoles hit 8 million, with sales for the Remastered version accounting for only 1 million, having released at the end of July 2014. However, according to this tweet from Naughty Dog on June 2018, the game had already sold 17 million copies as of April 2018. I couldn't find concrete numbers for the PS3 and PS4 versions, but I would imagine people bought the Remastered version once it became available. If so, the Remastered version seems to have sold as well as the original, if not better. PS: According to VGChartz, as of May 2019, TLoU Remastered has shipped (not sold) 11,780,000 units. And Wikipedia lists TLoU Remastered as the 4th best-selling PS4 title with 10 million copies sold. Because The Last of Us is a high quality game. It has an engaging story, morally gray characters, solid gameplay, and good graphics. That's why it is the best remaster, because Naughty Dog made a high quality game to begin with.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 23:28:01 GMT
I took a look at those figures. According to Polygon, somewhere around the end of August 2014, combined sales for TLoU across both consoles hit 8 million, with sales for the Remastered version accounting for only 1 million, having released at the end of July 2014. However, according to this tweet from Naughty Dog on June 2018, the game had already sold 17 million copies as of April 2018. I couldn't find concrete numbers for the PS3 and PS4 versions, but I would imagine people bought the Remastered version once it became available. If so, the Remastered version seems to have sold as well as the original, if not better. None of that matters, really. EA looks to sales on launch, up to six week periods. After that, unless the game sells gangbusters, it is considered a failure, because it didn't sell to EA's expectations. Sure, it may, eventually, sell 20 million copies, even. Even Anthem had sold, by August 5 million copies. At $5 a pop, at wallmart. And, out of that money, the publisher sees 30%, because the retailer has to accommodate for promotion, storage space, shelf space, etc. while to publisher has to facilitate production costs, reservation of individual product keys, shipping, packagging etc. Maybe it will sell well digitally, like Anthem did, maybe lifetime sales will, eventually, reach high enough, however ... lifetime sales will reach a certain number of copies sold, because of gradual price drops and, in TLoU's case, in addition to no controversies to its standalone title, from a well liked studio, a PS exclusive and being out for 8 years, 6 years by April 2018, when the 17 million copies number had been reached. Are Bioware and EA going to wait 6 years to see what sales the MET remaster is going to sell, before making their next move? No. Initial sales is what will define this. And maybe, if it doesn't do that well on release, the lifetime sales, should they reach over 10 million copies sold, which I doubt, then maybe EA will rethink their ME tactics. Make no mistake, interest for ME is high. People are thirsty for more good ME, but this is the George Lucas specialized OT edition release, after TRoS. Collectors will buy it, some randoms will buy it, some fans might show some interest in it. It won't make records. People want something new.
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Post by OdanUrr on May 8, 2020 23:33:30 GMT
None of that matters, really. Okay.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 23:41:35 GMT
You know what I mean. I wasn't being dismissive, nor attempting to. I'm sorry if I came off that way. It's just that long term sales don't matter to EA, that's what I meant. TLoU sold 1 million copies on release and the MET remaster will be lucky to reach those numbers. EA will not be impressed. Even if long term sales, over 8 years reach TLoU's 12 million copies, EA is appreciative of that slow trickle, but I doubt the MET remaster will make half of that, in the same time. This isn't the title that will blow everyone away about how awesome ME is.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 8, 2020 23:43:52 GMT
I took a look at those figures. According to Polygon, somewhere around the end of August 2014, combined sales for TLoU across both consoles hit 8 million, with sales for the Remastered version accounting for only 1 million, having released at the end of July 2014. However, according to this tweet from Naughty Dog on June 2018, the game had already sold 17 million copies as of April 2018. I couldn't find concrete numbers for the PS3 and PS4 versions, but I would imagine people bought the Remastered version once it became available. If so, the Remastered version seems to have sold as well as the original, if not better. None of that matters, really. EA looks to sales on launch, up to six week periods. After that, unless the game sells gangbusters, it is considered a failure, because it didn't sell to EA's expectations. Sure, it may, eventually, sell 20 million copies, even. Even Anthem had sold, by August 5 million copies. At $5 a pop, at wallmart. And, out of that money, the publisher sees 30%, because the retailer has to accommodate for promotion, storage space, shelf space, etc. while to publisher has to facilitate production costs, reservation of individual product keys, shipping, packagging etc. Maybe it will sell well digitally, like Anthem did, maybe lifetime sales will, eventually, reach high enough, however ... lifetime sales will reach a certain number of copies sold, because of gradual price drops and, in TLoU's case, in addition to no controversies to its standalone title, from a well liked studio, a PS exclusive and being out for 8 years, 6 years by April 2018, when the 17 million copies number had been reached. Are Bioware and EA going to wait 6 years to see what sales the MET remaster is going to sell, before making their next move? No. Initial sales is what will define this. And maybe, if it doesn't do that well on release, the lifetime sales, should they reach over 10 million copies sold, which I doubt, then maybe EA will rethink their ME tactics. Make no mistake, interest for ME is high. People are thirsty for more good ME, but this is the George Lucas specialized OT edition release, after TRoS. Collectors will buy it, some randoms will buy it, some fans might show some interest in it. It won't make records. People want something new. I know that I sure as shit don't wanna have to listen to Starkid's BS for the 13th time, deal with the Blue Creeper's creepyness AGAIN, and have to be the Council's bitch once more. Along with many, many more that I can't be bothered to list. I'd rather spend my cash on other things then go through all that again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 23:48:00 GMT
I know that I sure as shit don't wanna have to listen to Starkid's BS for the 13th time, deal with the Blue Creeper's creepyness AGAIN, and have to be the Council's bitch once more. Along with many, many more that I can't be bothered to list. I'd rather spend my cash on other things then go through all that again. I have no problem going through those things again. Well, except ME3 in its entirety. It's just that the remaster has nothing new to offer me. I don't need Bioware's high rez texture pack and a lot of other players don't need it, either. And it plays just as well, whether you're playing on Windows 7 or Windows 10. I don't remember owing EA $60 for something I can mod to look better with virtually no effort. If anything, I am excited to look for mods and try them on my game. Even if it breaks it on occasion.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 8, 2020 23:50:17 GMT
I know that I sure as shit don't wanna have to listen to Starkid's BS for the 13th time, deal with the Blue Creeper's creepyness AGAIN, and have to be the Council's bitch once more. Along with many, many more that I can't be bothered to list. I'd rather spend my cash on other things then go through all that again. I have no problem going through those things again. Well, except ME3 in its entirety. It's just that the remaster has nothing new to offer me. I don't need Bioware's high rez texture pack and a lot of other players don't need it, either. And it plays just as well, whether you're playing on Windows 7 or Windows 10. I don't remember owing EA $60 for something I can mod to look better with virtually no effort. If anything, I am excited to look for mods and try them on my game. Even if it breaks it on occasion. And that $60 could go to something better. Or save it for a rainy day.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 23:54:00 GMT
Or save it for a rainy day. Yeah ... these are rather frequent.
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Post by themikefest on May 9, 2020 0:30:02 GMT
All this talk about a remaster being released, then if it does actually happen, that time from when it's confirmed until and after release, the trilogy will be front and center with attention while the game calling itself MEA is forgotten. When asked, people will say they remember some game that took place in Andromeda. Maybe that's EA's intention, to forget MEA.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 9, 2020 0:38:58 GMT
All this talk about a remaster being released, then if it does actually happen, that time from when it's confirmed until and after release, the trilogy will be front and center with attention while the game calling itself MEA is forgotten. When asked, people will say they remember some game that took place in Andromeda. Maybe that's EA's intention, to forget MEA. Now that would be funny, if true. (And it'll piss off the MEA fangroup to no end😈).
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Post by themikefest on May 9, 2020 0:43:21 GMT
I know that I sure as shit don't wanna have to listen to Starkid's BS for the 13th time, deal with the Blue Creeper's creepyness AGAIN, and have to be the Council's bitch once more. Along with many, many more that I can't be bothered to list. I'd rather spend my cash on other things then go through all that again. Here's a way to cushion the blow. When playing ME1, rescue t'soni last. Then on the ship make sure to choose the dialogue that has Shepard wanting to throw her sorry a** back in the volcano since that's the only time Shepard can talk to her like that in the trilogy. Ignore her in ME2. In ME3, choose the bottom right dialogue. It makes her dialogue shorted than choosing the upper right dialogue. Skip through all her dialogue during the first and second dreams and any cutscene with her in it. One thing I would add is bring Javik, yes I know, smurfette is required for the ashes dlc, but I like having Javik during the Thessia mission to talk smack to t'soni. Do not talk to her at all in the game. Give her the bird when walking by her at the forward operating base. When it comes to thing, download themikefest mod. What it does is as soon as thing shows up, the player laughs the whole time until Shepard has to make a choice. With the council, I tell Moreau I don't want to talk to them.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 9, 2020 0:53:49 GMT
I know that I sure as shit don't wanna have to listen to Starkid's BS for the 13th time, deal with the Blue Creeper's creepyness AGAIN, and have to be the Council's bitch once more. Along with many, many more that I can't be bothered to list. I'd rather spend my cash on other things then go through all that again. Here's a way to cushion the blow. When playing ME1, rescue t'soni last. Then on the ship make sure to choose the dialogue that has Shepard wanting to throw her sorry a** back in the volcano since that's the only time Shepard can talk to her like that in the trilogy. Ignore her in ME2. In ME3, choose the bottom right dialogue. It makes her dialogue shorted than choosing the upper right dialogue. Skip through all her dialogue during the first and second dreams and any cutscene with her in it. One thing I would add is bring Javik, yes I know, smurfette is required for the ashes dlc, but I like having Javik during the Thessia mission to talk smack to t'soni. Do not talk to her at all in the game. Give her the bird when walking by her at the forward operating base. When it comes to thing, download themikefest mod. What it does is as soon as thing shows up, the player laughs the whole time until Shepard has to make a choice. With the council, I tell Moreau I don't want to talk to them. I actually do rescue her last. Then I just hammer the skip button once the debrief starts. ME 2 I just give her the shadow broker data, so I don't have keep talking to her (I pretty much don't do the DLC). I don't actually talk to her on Mars and simply skip it. Then I ignore her till from Ashes and the Blueskin homeworld mission start (which I always bring Javik along and always side with him post mission). I can't use mods due to being on the 360 back in the day.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 9, 2020 1:07:00 GMT
Depends on how much they'd have been charged for UE4, doesn't it? Anyone know what those fees look like? (Although considering how much easier UE4 is to use, maybe you don't end up with any extra costs on that route.) Meh, I am pretty sure BioWare would have run face first into the issues that other developers have been having with UE4. I don't see other developers having the same problems that BioWare did with Frostbite which to me is an indicator of BioWare made mistakes using the engine not that the engine is flawed like so many want to make the narrative. Not to mention the graphical setting video (which is why BioWare is hesitant to show anything anymore for people will use anything to whine about) are choices that are made as well. Its not always the engine, but I guess people need some justification to complain.
Fans will complain. I'm a fan complaining about it because it's IMHO a waste of time, money, and resources that could be better used I don't know like making Mass Effect: Andromeda 2 a reality instead of trying to please a bunch of butt hurt trolls that will NEVER forgive them for the ME3 endings. I can play all 3 games and all of the DLC on my Xbox One and even though Xbox Series X is coming out my Xbox One S and PS4 are still going to be my main gaming boxes for the foreseeable future and honestly all those trailers that I've seen for Xbox Series X and graphically there isn't a damn bit of difference between the current gen and the next gen for most people who aren't ultra hardcore graphic nuts.
So I'm not impressed by either Xbox Series X, The PS5, and next gen PCs.
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Post by themikefest on May 9, 2020 1:19:38 GMT
I can't use mods due to being on the 360 back in the day. I can't use mods either on the ps3. I just laugh the whole time while catalyst talks.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 9, 2020 1:22:30 GMT
CyberstrikeBuddy, I don't know if you understand what this remaster is. It's a rerelease of the games with a texture pack and an ENB/reshade. And it's being made to justify ME's existence in Bioware's portfolio of franchises, going forward, after Andromeda buried the franchise. If you want Andromeda 2, Bioware wants you to spend your $60 in droves for a texture pack, so they can believe that you still care. They don't give two shits about the people that cried foul with ME3.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 9, 2020 1:24:15 GMT
I can't use mods due to being on the 360 back in the day. I can't use mods either on the ps3. I just laugh the whole time while catalyst talks. Oh, after my 8 or 12th playthough, I muted the game's sound and just played the music on my 360 so I didn't have to listen to Starkid's or Tim's dialog anyone.
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Post by burningcherry on May 9, 2020 1:24:29 GMT
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 9, 2020 1:48:45 GMT
CyberstrikeBuddy, I don't know if you understand what this remaster is. It's a rerelease of the games with a texture pack and an ENB/reshade. And it's being made to justify ME's existence in Bioware's portfolio of franchises, going forward, after Andromeda buried the franchise. If you want Andromeda 2, Bioware wants you to spend your $60 in droves for a texture pack, so they can believe that you still care. They don't give two shits about the people that cried foul with ME3. Nor do they care for their fanbase, they just want your money. But I guess Fanbois gotta rage about something, I guess.
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