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Post by cloud9 on May 8, 2020 15:24:14 GMT
I don't know what to say at this point, except whoever decided to use Frostbite is very incompetent. 😤😤 Depends on how much they'd have been charged for UE4, doesn't it? Anyone know what those fees look like? (Although considering how much easier UE4 is to use, maybe you don't end up with any extra costs on that route.) Sounds like a bunch of excuses. If BioWare want people to play their games, then they should be able to use tools that produces high quality games.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 8, 2020 15:28:19 GMT
For Mass Effect 1, sure. The gameplay is definitely clunchy, and Kaidan would need to be bisexual from the start. Plus Garrus as romance right from the first game. But gameplay aside, those are little things that would just fit in a "simple" remaster. And they can add a lot more like be able to play playable back stories of what is like to be a colonist who lost everything to slavers and raiders, a Spacer as a military best, or an Earthborn as a criminal. I want to experience and role play Shepard on those back stories, and be able to play events of a War Hero on Skyllian Blitz, a Survivor on Akuze, or Ruthless. And so much more. No thanks. I like how I get to choose, even if only headcanon, how Shepard's past was rather than being limited to three choices.
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Post by cloud9 on May 8, 2020 17:20:54 GMT
And they can add a lot more like be able to play playable back stories of what is like to be a colonist who lost everything to slavers and raiders, a Spacer as a military best, or an Earthborn as a criminal. I want to experience and role play Shepard on those back stories, and be able to play events of a War Hero on Skyllian Blitz, a Survivor on Akuze, or Ruthless. And so much more. No thanks. I like how I get to choose, even if only headcanon, how Shepard's past was rather than being limited to three choices. You have a great taste. 🙄😏
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Post by fredvdp on May 8, 2020 17:22:46 GMT
Have you reached Peak 15 yet? I heard that all Ryzen CPUs still have the issue, but if this isn't the case, that's pretty big news. I have not. Apparently, it's still an issue, though I had heard otherwise. Thankfully, there's a mod that fixes it, linked in that very reddit post. It's on the Nexus. I know about the mod, but I hear fairly often that it's not advisable to use it, such as over here.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 8, 2020 17:26:48 GMT
Depends on how much they'd have been charged for UE4, doesn't it? Anyone know what those fees look like? (Although considering how much easier UE4 is to use, maybe you don't end up with any extra costs on that route.) Meh, I am pretty sure BioWare would have run face first into the issues that other developers have been having with UE4. I don't see other developers having the same problems that BioWare did with Frostbite which to me is an indicator of BioWare made mistakes using the engine not that the engine is flawed like so many want to make the narrative. Not to mention the graphical setting video (which is why BioWare is hesitant to show anything anymore for people will use anything to whine about) are choices that are made as well. Its not always the engine, but I guess people need some justification to complain. Neither do I tbh both |Fifa and NFS work just fine on Frostbite. I nfac tmos tof the games I'v eplayed that use the Frostbite engine ar egood so I don't think that Frostbite is the problem tbh.
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Post by DoctorDAM on May 8, 2020 17:38:45 GMT
I'll go even more cynical and say that it will be the modded PC version without DLC. You want the DLC, you buy it the same way as always. That sounds about right, for Bio at least. Hell, they've already done that before with that MET boxset. For me, that would be a deal-breaker. Heck, I've already bought all the DLC for both XBOX and PC, LOL.
Otherwise, I find myself surprisingly giddy on reading the rumor
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Post by turianlannister on May 8, 2020 18:03:26 GMT
They had, initially. Then they switched engines. Remember the first demos? They were on UE4. Can't find them, but Yong made a video about them. I don't know what to say at this point, except whoever decided to use Frostbite is very incompetent. 😤😤 That was EA, they wanted all their games made in Frostbite which they own
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Post by smilesja on May 8, 2020 18:12:35 GMT
Why the hell BioWare didn't just use UE4 to use Andromeda? They had, initially. Then they switched engines. Remember the first demos? They were on UE4. Can't find them, but Yong made a video about them. I thought graphics didn't make the game Yongyea.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on May 8, 2020 18:14:25 GMT
I don't know what to say at this point, except whoever decided to use Frostbite is very incompetent. 😤😤 That was EA, they wanted all their games made in Frostbite which they own Even if they own them, why they didn't just continue with ue4 seems very weird to me. If EA wanted it to be done on frostbite, they would have done that from the beginning.
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Post by OdanUrr on May 8, 2020 20:09:18 GMT
That was EA, they wanted all their games made in Frostbite which they own Even if they own them, why they didn't just continue with ue4 seems very weird to me. If EA wanted it to be done on frostbite, they would have done that from the beginning. Bear in mind that the development of Andromeda was a bit of a clusterfuck. It's possible that the decision to use Frostbite for everything came after they had already started preliminary work using Unreal.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on May 8, 2020 20:40:57 GMT
Even if they own them, why they didn't just continue with ue4 seems very weird to me. If EA wanted it to be done on frostbite, they would have done that from the beginning. Bear in mind that the development of Andromeda was a bit of a clusterfuck. It's possible that the decision to use Frostbite for everything came after they had already started preliminary work using Unreal. I know the development was a mess but changing engine was a very bad decision, even if that's bioware's fault, EA's fault or both of them.
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Post by alanc9 on May 8, 2020 20:57:54 GMT
Depends on how much they'd have been charged for UE4, doesn't it? Anyone know what those fees look like? (Although considering how much easier UE4 is to use, maybe you don't end up with any extra costs on that route.) Sounds like a bunch of excuses. If BioWare want people to play their games, then they should be able to use tools that produces high quality games. Have You ever actually worked? I mean, anywhere?
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Post by jamierose95 on May 8, 2020 21:19:22 GMT
For me personally, a remaster of the MET this would be a rainy day purchase than a "must buy it on day 1" type of purchase. Not only that, it will get buried under releases of new titles, for the next gen consoles and games people haven't played. The remaster will offer no new content, besides some graphical updates, that will most likely be along the lines of the Silent Hill 2 remake and the Batman remakes, which ruined atmosphere and other effects, in the process. This is neither the project that will stir up interest, nor the one that will sell gangbusters. If Bioware/EA want to gauge interest in ME, this is the wrong way to go about it. I don't know. Crowdfund a TBS/RTwP title. This will stir more interest. Sorry but there people would love to play mass effect remastered in updated graphics on the next generation. if it's not for you then don't buy it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 21:44:04 GMT
I thought graphics didn't make the game Yongyea They definitely don't. It's all about art-style. On the other hand, you have a superior version of the same scene in one engine and an inferior one in the other, for practically no reason. I mean, it's a no brainer.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 21:58:42 GMT
Sorry but there people would love to play mass effect remastered in updated graphics on the next generation. if it's not for you then don't buy it. It's going to be higher rez textures, with a reshade filter. In the meantime, Series X will have upscaling, RIS and all the other goodies, all set up for the version you already own and costs $0 to play, on the PC, it's not even a contest, with the variety of mods, texture packs, videos, gameplay tweaks and cut content restoring mods. The only place this could sell, is PS5, but ME never had much of a fanbase on PS. I'm not saying the title isn't going to sell a single copy. I'm saying this will sell a lot less than people expect. People who wanted to get into ME, already have, either on PC or XBONE. The games aren't as old, but neither as fresh, anymore, to sell like the TLoU remaster, early last gen. With the new consoles on the horizon and the new games that come along with them, most people will want to see that new tech in action. A late era UE3 game, with updated textures won't be it. EA would need to make a considerable revamp of the game, to make it worthwhile to the greater gaming public and I don't believe EA has that much faith in this, but rather want a quick, easy buck. If it is also the means with which EA/Bioware get to gauge interest in the franchise, they should be prepared to be underwhelmed. From the purely business scope of this move, I can't see the gaming world going nuts over it. They'll probably think "oh, they're remastering the MET. That's nice. Yeah, I'll probably pick it up when it's $20 with all the DLC". This isn't what the franchise needs. This isn't what saves ME. I'm sure there are people that want it and that they people that want it, will enjoy it. As a PC gamer, I already have it and chances are future Series X owners already have it as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 22:12:41 GMT
I just can't see how you could justify a remake for the Mass Effect games. They look and play fine. Mass Effect 1 especially also has a very unique feel that could be ruined with a remake. People want a remake, because they feel the ending isn't the only problem with the trilogy. They want Bioware to go back and fix every single lore/writing issue from the start in ME1 until the end of ME3. As well as a whole bunch of other things such as having ME3 combat in ME1 and ME2. They might call it a "remake", but it's essentially a "redo". I don't think any such thing will ever be made. It will only satisfy those who want a "remake" *cough* I mean "redo" if the fans have complete control over the creative process of the game from start to finish. Like I said, people should just buy the IP from EA, or suck it up and deal with the issues.
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Post by alanc9 on May 8, 2020 22:31:36 GMT
The only place this could sell, is PS5, but ME never had much of a fanbase on PS. I'm not saying the title isn't going to sell a single copy. I'm saying this will sell a lot less than people expect. People who wanted to get into ME, already have, either on PC or XBONE. The games aren't as old, but neither as fresh, anymore, to sell like the TLoU remaster, early last gen. With the new consoles on the horizon and the new games that come along with them, most people will want to see that new tech in action. A late era UE3 game, with updated textures won't be it. EA would need to make a considerable revamp of the game, to make it worthwhile to the greater gaming public and I don't believe EA has that much faith in this, but rather want a quick, easy buck. It's interesting to speculate whether such a considerable revamp would actually earn out. But I agree that we're not likely to see this put to the test.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 22:32:20 GMT
Like I said, people should just buy the IP from EA We already had Mac himself admit that the endings were a bad idea. It's OK to have complaints about something, it's OK, when you're the recipient of those complaints, to act on them. For example; if Jacob, Thane, Miranda and Jack got a fleshed out romance, as a continuation of their romances from ME2, or even the ability to spring up a romance with them in ME3, would that be so terrible?
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Post by link2twenty on May 8, 2020 22:33:42 GMT
Do you think it will be a free update for PC like Bioshock was?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 22:36:49 GMT
It's interesting to speculate whether such a considerable revamp would actually earn out I don't think it would. It would require an overhaul across all three games, to bring them up to modern standards, in both gameplay and graphics. The entire ME3 journal system would have to be reworked and the encumbrance/cooldown system from ME3 would need to be scrapped. And still, you'd have already played the story, already made the choices and, let's be honest, there's not that much variety to the game.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 8, 2020 22:37:11 GMT
I just can't see how you could justify a remake for the Mass Effect games. They look and play fine. Mass Effect 1 especially also has a very unique feel that could be ruined with a remake. People want a remake, because they feel the ending isn't the only problem with the trilogy. They want Bioware to go back and fix every single lore/writing issue from the start in ME1 until the end of ME3. As well as a whole bunch of other things such as having ME3 combat in ME1 and ME2. They might call it a "remake", but it's essentially a "redo". I don't think any such thing will ever be made. It will only satisfy those who want a "remake" *cough* I mean "redo" if the fans have complete control over the creative process of the game from start to finish. Like I said, people should just buy the IP from EA, or suck it up and deal with the issues. Or, they can just spend their money on other, better things. That, as Todd Howard would say: "It just works." *Wizard:
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Post by bshep on May 8, 2020 22:37:27 GMT
I just can't see how you could justify a remake for the Mass Effect games. They look and play fine. Mass Effect 1 especially also has a very unique feel that could be ruined with a remake. People want a remake, because they feel the ending isn't the only problem with the trilogy. They want Bioware to go back and fix every single lore/writing issue from the start in ME1 until the end of ME3. As well as a whole bunch of other things such as having ME3 combat in ME1 and ME2. They might call it a "remake", but it's essentially a "redo". I don't think any such thing will ever be made. It will only satisfy those who want a "remake" *cough* I mean "redo" if the fans have complete control over the creative process of the game from start to finish. Like I said, people should just buy the IP from EA, or suck it up and deal with the issues. Basically some people want something impossible to do, a game made to cater all their whims.
A remaster would go a long way on creating interest with a new generation of gamers while preparing the way for a new game in the future. It is the best option for the trilogy in case they decide to do something with it.
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Post by OdanUrr on May 8, 2020 22:44:56 GMT
Do you think it will be a free update for PC like Bioshock was? No way EA's going to leave money on the table like that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 8, 2020 22:45:11 GMT
Do you think it will be a free update for PC like Bioshock was? I'd be surprised if it even saw an release on PC, to be honest. It would be entirely pointless. A paid "update" to contest with the free mods, that add a ton more and will be incompatible to the new version? At best, you'll get the version pirated to check it out and people will just go back to the originals, that support the mods. Like I said, it will sell, it will make a good, low risk buck for EA, as long as the costs are kept to a minimum. If they try to make this huge overhaul, they run the risk of selling ME:A volume of copies for a much harder job. It'll still not cost $100 million CAD like ME:A did, maybe not even $50, but the sheer scope of 3 games, being ported to either UE4 or, worse yet, Frostbite, it's not happening in the next 9 months, even if it started 3 months ago. tl;dr No, it will cost too much, across all three games, to be free and EA wants to make as much money as possible.
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Post by cloud9 on May 8, 2020 22:48:51 GMT
Not only that, it will get buried under releases of new titles, for the next gen consoles and games people haven't played. The remaster will offer no new content, besides some graphical updates, that will most likely be along the lines of the Silent Hill 2 remake and the Batman remakes, which ruined atmosphere and other effects, in the process. This is neither the project that will stir up interest, nor the one that will sell gangbusters. If Bioware/EA want to gauge interest in ME, this is the wrong way to go about it. I don't know. Crowdfund a TBS/RTwP title. This will stir more interest. Sorry but there people would love to play mass effect remastered in updated graphics on the next generation. if it's not for you then don't buy it. That's fine if people prefer remaster. But if they were smart, it would be wise to go with the remake and start with the first game and start from there. Take a look at DOOM 2016, for example. Where a reboot thought it was going to be a disaster, but it ended up one of the best reboots of the DOOM franchise. And it was loved by new and old players alike.
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