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Post by Phantom on Jun 10, 2020 0:32:01 GMT
I see people are still having trouble grasping that resurrections are not normal in this setting. A common trope of Cerberus is bleed edge science and nercomancy. So We as Mass Effect gamers will not bat an eye at Bleed edge Science of Cerberus when talking anything about Cerberus.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 10, 2020 2:12:13 GMT
My shep wouldn't have said that but it is really hilarious (would have pay to see that scene ;-)) As for a remake I never like Shep dying at the beginning so if they could remove that that would be more that welcomme. I always wanted to be able to choose between working for the Alliance or for Cerberus. It was silly to force us to work for Cerberus only to made them the second main villain of the 3rd game. The only thing I don't want to change is the suicide mission. If you're able to work with Cerberus in this ME3 remake, I'm game. Always wanted to work with someone who wasn't inept like the Alliance is. So you'd want to work with the group whose every experiment backfired on them?
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 10, 2020 2:18:46 GMT
I see people are still having trouble grasping that resurrections are not normal in this setting. A common trope of Cerberus is bleed edge science and nercomancy. So We as Mass Effect gamers will not bat an eye at Bleed edge Science of Cerberus when talking anything about Cerberus. That depends on knowledge that we the players have but which is not known to the characters in the story. This lack of knowledge among the characters will inform how they react.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 10, 2020 2:41:02 GMT
If you're able to work with Cerberus in this ME3 remake, I'm game. Always wanted to work with someone who wasn't inept like the Alliance is. So you'd want to work with the group whose every experiment backfired on them? Compared to the Alliance, who has no problems with allowing the every people it was sworn to protect to be turned into Reaper goo? Edit: also, compared to the fact that the Alliance was in the position to finally destroy the Batarian slave trade for good but desided to half ass it and allow it to continue on remote human colonies.
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Post by Sonya on Jun 10, 2020 8:22:33 GMT
If you're able to work with Cerberus in this ME3 remake, I'm game. Always wanted to work with someone who wasn't inept like the Alliance is. If am not not mistaken somewhere here was a poll thread about whom would you prefer to work with in ME3 given a choice: Cerberus, Alliance, on your own. The time I was reading it, many players wanted to work with Crberus in ME3. What happened later do not know. That depends on knowledge that we the players have but which is not known to the characters in the story. This lack of knowledge among the characters will inform how they react. The players know about something, but character do not live in "the Sone Age" (hope the meaning is clear here). They know not everything is studied, something new could be done, it is not impossible. Such facts should at least make characters think that maybe it is true, not that it is not impossible. Difficult to accept? But they live in a developing world - one of the thoughts any character in MEU should not forget and react accordingly.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 10, 2020 8:53:40 GMT
That depends on knowledge that we the players have but which is not known to the characters in the story. This lack of knowledge among the characters will inform how they react. The players know about something, but character do not live in "the Sone Age" (hope the meaning is clear here). They know not everything is studied, something new could be done, it is not impossible. Such facts should at least make characters think that maybe it is true, not that it is not impossible. Difficult to accept? But they live in a developing world - one of the thoughts any character in MAU should not forget and react accordingly. What precedent is there, among any space-faring species, for the resurrection of someone who has been dead for two years?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 10, 2020 9:53:49 GMT
The players know about something, but character do not live in "the Sone Age" (hope the meaning is clear here). They know not everything is studied, something new could be done, it is not impossible. Such facts should at least make characters think that maybe it is true, not that it is not impossible. Difficult to accept? But they live in a developing world - one of the thoughts any character in MAU should not forget and react accordingly. What precedent is there, among any space-faring species, for the resurrection of someone who has been dead for two years? Cloning? Followed by imprinting memories of said dead person?
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Post by Sonya on Jun 10, 2020 10:07:45 GMT
What precedent is there, among any space-faring species, for the resurrection of someone who has been dead for two years? That is the point: no precedent is required in the developing world of MEU. Anything new can happen and characters always should remember that. Thus reaction to the person that should be dead but is standing right in front of you should be adequate. There is always some starting point for everything, where those precedents can come from in that case? The main thing for characters that can help act accordingly in different cases - keep in mind they live in developing universe with many unknowns.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 10, 2020 19:49:11 GMT
What precedent is there, among any space-faring species, for the resurrection of someone who has been dead for two years? That is the point: no precedent is required in the developing world of MEU. Anything new can happen and characters always should remember that. Thus reaction to the person that should be dead but is standing right in front of you should be adequate. There is always some starting point for everything, where those precedents can come from in that case? The main thing for characters that can help act accordingly in different cases - keep in mind they live in developing universe with many unknowns. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It doesn't get much more extraordinary than the first proven resurrection in recorded history, especially when there is far more precedence for people simply faking their deaths.
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Post by Sonya on Jun 11, 2020 6:47:26 GMT
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It doesn't get much more extraordinary than the first proven resurrection in recorded history, especially when there is far more precedence for people simply faking their deaths. At some point nothing is already extraodinary. New, surprising, hard to trust - to figure out more necerassary reaction and behavior are required.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 11, 2020 7:38:45 GMT
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It doesn't get much more extraordinary than the first proven resurrection in recorded history, especially when there is far more precedence for people simply faking their deaths. At some point nothing is already extraodinary. New, surprising, hard to trust - to figure out more necerassary reaction and behavior are required. First it must be proven that it is new, as opposed to the already well-known practice of people faking their deaths for various reasons.
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Post by Sonya on Jun 11, 2020 9:41:50 GMT
First it must be proven that it is new, as opposed to the already well-known practice of people faking their deaths for various reasons. That is why 'question" and "figure out" - at least it is something, not just "emotion outburst and bye".
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 11, 2020 10:44:53 GMT
First it must be proven that it is new, as opposed to the already well-known practice of people faking their deaths for various reasons. That is why 'question" and "figure out" - at least it is something, not just "emotion outburst and bye". You're still relying on information that is not available to the characters.
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Post by Sonya on Jun 11, 2020 10:54:39 GMT
You're still relying on information that is not available to the characters. I am talking about the characters who can get at least some information with certain action we do not see in the game.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 11, 2020 12:52:57 GMT
;My shep wouldn't have said that but it is really hilarious (would have pay to see that scene ;-)) For me, implying Shepard as a traitor is disrespectful and an insult especially since neither knew the full details. I don't give a crap how much I like the character, I still would have smacked them upside the head. The whole death thing was crap. The worst part is learning about stuff in the broker dlc that Shepard cannot question. So I'm more than happy for a remake to have Shepard survive the beginning to not having the broker dlc. There wereothers who liked to have had that choice, me included. Not sure how it would happen. Maybe in a remake or if ME3 is remade. My Shepard has no problem working with Cerberus. It's unfortunate they were turned into the keystone cops in ME3. If we still get Kelly and some of the other crew like Gabby if we choose the Alliance in the remake, I’m not against it. It would be possible. Have Gabby and Ken show up in ME1. Sam and Steve would show up in ME1. Kelly could be in ME1 as Chakwas's assistant. I see people are still having trouble grasping that resurrections are not normal in this setting. Your right. After the reapers are destroyed, the galaxy learns that Cerberus can resurrect people. So what happens, with the few Cerberus personnel remaining, build a building to house all the ones who died, not counting the ones turned to goo and vaporized. Over the years those people are resurrected. Thousands of years later, the galaxy will look back saying Cerberus ended up being the good guys that fell victim to the reapers.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 11, 2020 15:20:15 GMT
;My shep wouldn't have said that but it is really hilarious (would have pay to see that scene ;-)) For me, implying Shepard as a traitor is disrespectful and an insult especially since neither knew the full details. I don't give a crap how much I like the character, I still would have smacked them upside the head. The whole death thing was crap. The worst part is learning about stuff in the broker dlc that Shepard cannot question. So I'm more than happy for a remake to have Shepard survive the beginning to not having the broker dlc. There wereothers who liked to have had that choice, me included. Not sure how it would happen. Maybe in a remake or if ME3 is remade. My Shepard has no problem working with Cerberus. It's unfortunate they were turned into the keystone cops in ME3. If we still get Kelly and some of the other crew like Gabby if we choose the Alliance in the remake, I’m not against it. It would be possible. Have Gabby and Ken show up in ME1. Sam and Steve would show up in ME1. Kelly could be in ME1 as Chakwas's assistant. I see people are still having trouble grasping that resurrections are not normal in this setting. Your right. After the reapers are destroyed, the galaxy learns that Cerberus can resurrect people. So what happens, with the few Cerberus personnel remaining, build a building to house all the ones who died, not counting the ones turned to goo and vaporized. Over the years those people are resurrected. Thousands of years later, the galaxy will look back saying Cerberus ended up being the good guys that fell victim to the reapers. Then can we purge the Xenos scum?
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jun 11, 2020 15:53:27 GMT
ME2's whole initial setup is crap, including Shepard's death, the crew running off after that, the humans suddenly not caring about their locust-style colonisation efforts anymore and the various other idiot balls handed to people (including the VS). All that was just made as dumb excuse for shoehorning Cerberus into the story.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 12, 2020 0:01:42 GMT
The whole intro for ME2 is terrible. Even if you have the ship blow up, why isn't anyone looking for bodies. The alliance should have been there in hours. If they had gone through with it, a way to make it more palatable would be Shepard isn't dead just wrecked. The alliance recovers his body but basically abandons him accepting that he can;t be fixed. They leave him in a hospital room to be in a coma forever. Its known there is a way to fix him but its crazy expensive, they say fuck that. Cerberus steps in maybe through Liara so you can still fold in LotSB. Have him wake up with Cerberus but have the choice to go with Cerberus or the Alliance. You also avoid resurrection as a story point.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 12, 2020 5:56:20 GMT
The whole intro for ME2 is terrible. Even if you have the ship blow up, why isn't anyone looking for bodies. The alliance should have been there in hours. If they had gone through with it, a way to make it more palatable would be Shepard isn't dead just wrecked. The alliance recovers his body but basically abandons him accepting that he can;t be fixed. They leave him in a hospital room to be in a coma forever. Its known there is a way to fix him but its crazy expensive, they say fuck that. Cerberus steps in maybe through Liara so you can still fold in LotSB. Have him wake up with Cerberus but have the choice to go with Cerberus or the Alliance. You also avoid resurrection as a story point. Sounds just like what the Alliance would do, seeing as how they got what they wanted from Shepard.
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Post by michaeln7 on Jun 13, 2020 9:36:00 GMT
Perhaps I'm echoing or repeating, but it's worth noting that Cerberus is a HUMAN organization.
The Alliance News Network is arguably THE premier news source in the galaxy, and I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus didn't have a hand in that pie.
We circumvented the limitation on the greatest weapons in space (dreadnoughts) by a TECHNICALITY.
We fought a Turian invasion force to a STANDSTILL.
After that, we threatened to declare war on THE ENTIRE GALAXY when faced with enough red-tape to bureaucratize us back to the Stone Age, and WON.
We have less than 2% of our population serving in the military, and that scares everyone who pauses to consider the implications if we went "all-in". We can operate independently but we ALSO hunt in packs. Our core strategy involves adaptation and coordination.
Following all this, I'm not surprised that Cerberus, with it's persistent focus on human advancement (a compelling argument for me) whatever the cost (okay, could go either way) no matter who gets hurt (and... you lost me) would be able to leverage some of that to paint the narrative they want to whomever they want.
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