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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 24, 2020 22:38:40 GMT
The less Liara the better. Her voice appearing in MEA for no legitimate reason is annoying. Some datapads would have been far better. That would have even better to make it more inclusive of other characters from the MET. That said, it wasn't necessary to refer to anything from the MET beyond allusions to accelerating plans so they could avoid the Reapers. None of the events from the MET are otherwise that relevant. I don't quite follow this. Which other MET character would be more useful when the plot point in question is what the AI leadership knew about the Reapers and the of the MW. Hostility to Liara isn't a compelling argument for not giving her the assignment. Do you have a better candidate? That was a plot point they chose. It was unnecessary. It's not like Liara was the only person who knew about the Reapers. Everyone knew. That the Council later discredited it is a separate issue. All it would take is for literally anyone to believe in the Reapers. We don't know who the Benefactor is. Could easily have been a believer and so decided to pushed the Andromeda Initiative's timetable to ASAP rather than some point down the road. Liara is entirely irrelevant except that BioWare decided to make her important. As for you else, anyone? Tali told her people and it got out. Garrus told his people and it got out. Or whoever. You've got recordings about it from anyone who was in ME1, including Anderson. This is not a stretch by any means. I'd prefer NO person from the MET "appearing" in MEA. It wasn't needed. All we needed was the Benefactor had reason to believe it and we go from there.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 24, 2020 22:40:17 GMT
In places where people recount how they joined the initiative they frequently describe it as being brought into this secret project. Specific examples? Again, all the ones I recall had it be very open. I can't recall but I'm pretty sure it's true. It even factored into a fanfic I wrote where characters met Scott and Gil (separately). They told the characters but said it was supposed to be a secret. I suppose I could have made that up but I'm pretty sure I drew it from MEA. But no citation that I can remember.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 24, 2020 22:41:59 GMT
I was pissed when I got ninjamanced by Liara in ME1 one time. Prior to mods, I cheated on her ASAP when Kaidan became available in ME3. She didn't like it but got over it. Kaiden is always a good choice for a Love Interest. Just curious, how would you feel if the bad guys clone Kaiden and make them work for them? I'd rather we not have clones at all. Rapid aging aside (if we had that, we'd also have the reverse, and no one would grow old), the idea of the memories being there is also problematic. I know ME lore has a race that downloaded their memories onto some server or something but that was a choice. What are the odds Shepard also did that?
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 24, 2020 22:43:10 GMT
I was pissed when I got ninjamanced by Liara in ME1 one time. Prior to mods, I cheated on her ASAP when Kaidan became available in ME3. She didn't like it but got over it. You should always get Liara last in ME1. That way, you won't get ninjamanced. I do. Therum is done after Virmire. In some ways it works because then she's the "replacement" for A/K.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 24, 2020 23:07:49 GMT
Kaiden is always a good choice for a Love Interest. Just curious, how would you feel if the bad guys clone Kaiden and make them work for them? I'd rather we not have clones at all. Rapid aging aside (if we had that, we'd also have the reverse, and no one would grow old), the idea of the memories being there is also problematic. I know ME lore has a race that downloaded their memories onto some server or something but that was a choice. What are the odds Shepard also did that? Personally I do think Clones as a Main Story Element should be limited. And i can see players being upset by killing their favorite characters thru their respective clones conversely i see others enjoying kills of popular characters's clones.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 24, 2020 23:32:14 GMT
You should always get Liara last in ME1. That way, you won't get ninjamanced. I do. Therum is done after Virmire. In some ways it works because then she's the "replacement" for A/K. I like rescuing her last. Cuts down on the number of mind-melding scenes Shepard has with the asari. Once is enough, not counting the one with Shiala
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 25, 2020 1:45:12 GMT
I do. Therum is done after Virmire. In some ways it works because then she's the "replacement" for A/K. I like rescuing her last. Cuts down on the number of mind-melding scenes Shepard has with the asari. Once is enough, not counting the one with Shiala Shiala makes sense, since she had an important piece of the puzzle. Once with Liara was enough to connect to Ilos. Nothing more is required. If we can skip it then all the better.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 25, 2020 3:20:25 GMT
In places where people recount how they joined the initiative they frequently describe it as being brought into this secret project. Specific examples? Again, all the ones I recall had it be very open. I'd have to play it again to find them. It being secret on some level is the only thing that really makes sense. Arcs of every race leaving before the reapers would be big news for the people who were still in the MW. Ridiculously massive news, the kind of thing it not existing in ME1-3 would make little to no sense. Especially once the reapers arrived, you'd be happy to know at least some people escaped. And on top of that given that a major reason it got funding was to escape the reapers, it being common knowledge when the reapers would then have that information day one would wreck any chance of escape. They would just send one reaper and it would get to Andromeda before them and kill them all as soon as they arrived.
The only thing that makes any kind of sense for the story given we had ME1-3 obviously with no mention of it as it was before MEA was even a thought. and with how the Reapers operated, is it was kept hidden, maybe not top secret but at least hidden and then covered up afterwards.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2020 3:25:17 GMT
Specific examples? Again, all the ones I recall had it be very open. I'd have to play it again to find them. It being secret on some level is the only thing that really makes sense. Arcs of every race leaving before the reapers would be big news for the people who were still in the MW. Ridiculously massive news, the kind of thing it not existing in ME1-3 would make little to no sense. Especially once the reapers arrived, you'd be happy to know at least some people escaped. And on top of that given that a major reason it got funding was to escape the reapers, it being common knowledge when the reapers would then have that information day one would wreck any chance of escape. They would just send one reaper and it would get to Andromeda before them and kill them all as soon as they arrived.
The only thing that makes any kind of sense for the story given we had ME1-3 obviously with no mention of it as it was before MEA was even a thought. and with how the Reapers operated, is it was kept hidden, maybe not top secret but at least hidden and then covered up afterwards.
As you mentioned, this game was conceived after the Shepard Trilogy was finished hence why it wasn't mentioned in those games. That's why I think if they remaster the Shepard Trilogy they should add a news story, either in ME2 talking about the venture or in ME3 with a mention of how they left before the invasion.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 25, 2020 3:34:54 GMT
I don't quite follow this. Which other MET character would be more useful when the plot point in question is what the AI leadership knew about the Reapers and the of the MW. Hostility to Liara isn't a compelling argument for not giving her the assignment. Do you have a better candidate? That was a plot point they chose. It was unnecessary. It's not like Liara was the only person who knew about the Reapers. Everyone knew. That the Council later discredited it is a separate issue. All it would take is for literally anyone to believe in the Reapers. We don't know who the Benefactor is. Could easily have been a believer and so decided to pushed the Andromeda Initiative's timetable to ASAP rather than some point down the road. Liara is entirely irrelevant except that BioWare decided to make her important. As for you else, anyone? Tali told her people and it got out. Garrus told his people and it got out. Or whoever. You've got recordings about it from anyone who was in ME1, including Anderson. This is not a stretch by any means. I'd prefer NO person from the MET "appearing" in MEA. It wasn't needed. All we needed was the Benefactor had reason to believe it and we go from there. They used Liara and other MET references so the story felt connected to the IP instead of feeling like a new IP with the same window dressing. Liara was specifically being used as a anthropologist or archaeologist and for that none of the others big characters would fit. I guess they could of used the dude form Leviathan or something but hes small and from a optional DLC, Liara fir for that role. And yes data pads could have worked as well, but they wanted more see its still mass effect moments.
I'm sure maybe they could have linked another character to some other point of expertise but I can't think of any that would necessarily be potentially famous for that skill set. Like Garus wasn't a noted detective or something. A/K could be dead, and again neither really famous. Maybe Wrex could have left some Krogan words of wisdom found at the Krogan colony or something, but again he could be dead before he became a clan chief. Tali was just a kid. ME2 characters as this was before suicide mission, maybe mordin as a expert on alien biology or something but that's about it. While everyone else was maybe famous it was just for being a bad ass, not for any skill set that really fit for colonists.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 25, 2020 3:41:47 GMT
I'd have to play it again to find them. It being secret on some level is the only thing that really makes sense. Arcs of every race leaving before the reapers would be big news for the people who were still in the MW. Ridiculously massive news, the kind of thing it not existing in ME1-3 would make little to no sense. Especially once the reapers arrived, you'd be happy to know at least some people escaped. And on top of that given that a major reason it got funding was to escape the reapers, it being common knowledge when the reapers would then have that information day one would wreck any chance of escape. They would just send one reaper and it would get to Andromeda before them and kill them all as soon as they arrived.
The only thing that makes any kind of sense for the story given we had ME1-3 obviously with no mention of it as it was before MEA was even a thought. and with how the Reapers operated, is it was kept hidden, maybe not top secret but at least hidden and then covered up afterwards.
As you mentioned, this game was conceived after the Shepard Trilogy was finished hence why it wasn't mentioned in those games. That's why I think if they remaster the Shepard Trilogy they should add a news story, either in ME2 talking about the venture or in ME3 with a mention of how they left before the invasion. Yes, MEA didn't exist yet which is why they couldn't mention it. Given how implausible hiding something of this size and never mentioning it would be once the reapers arrived, it not being hidden is a borderline retcon for the trilogy. And it would still make less sense than it being kept hidden. The reapers can get access to our information quickly and easily. Their ships are faster than ours and capable of going through dark space. Part of the reason for funding for the initiative was to escape the reapers. You'd keep it hidden and clean it up afterwards.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 25, 2020 4:03:08 GMT
As you mentioned, this game was conceived after the Shepard Trilogy was finished hence why it wasn't mentioned in those games. That's why I think if they remaster the Shepard Trilogy they should add a news story, either in ME2 talking about the venture or in ME3 with a mention of how they left before the invasion. Yes, MEA didn't exist yet which is why they couldn't mention it. Given how implausible hiding something of this size and never mentioning it would be once the reapers arrived, it not being hidden is a borderline retcon for the trilogy. And it would still make less sense than it being kept hidden. The reapers can get access to our information quickly and easily. Their ships are faster than ours and capable of going through dark space. Part of the reason for funding for the initiative was to escape the reapers. You'd keep it hidden and clean it up afterwards. I concur, thinking about it when we did the mission on the moon in ME1 you would think the base would be there but it wasn't if I remember right that was a little over a year when Andromeda launched so to me the time line was dorked 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2020 4:29:20 GMT
Yes, MEA didn't exist yet which is why they couldn't mention it. Given how implausible hiding something of this size and never mentioning it would be once the reapers arrived, it not being hidden is a borderline retcon for the trilogy. And it would still make less sense than it being kept hidden. The reapers can get access to our information quickly and easily. Their ships are faster than ours and capable of going through dark space. Part of the reason for funding for the initiative was to escape the reapers. You'd keep it hidden and clean it up afterwards. I concur, thinking about it when we did the mission on the moon in ME1 you would think the base would be there but it wasn't if I remember right that was a little over a year when Andromeda launched so to me the time line was dorked The Moon is a big place. Plus the Arks were docked at space stations not the lunar surface. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 25, 2020 13:48:58 GMT
They used Liara and other MET references so the story felt connected to the IP instead of feeling like a new IP with the same window dressing. Liara was specifically being used as a anthropologist or archaeologist and for that none of the others big characters would fit. I guess they could of used the dude form Leviathan or something but hes small and from a optional DLC, Liara fir for that role. And yes data pads could have worked as well, but they wanted more see its still mass effect moments. Except she felt flat and emotionless. As someone else said, it was like the VA was "phoning it in". How was that useful? As I said, I could have done without her. If you want a connection, show standard male or female Shep. Or import your Shep from the MET if you've never played before. There were options. All that aside, being an archaeologist or anthropologist doesn't have anything to do with the arrival of the Reapers. I mean, Chorban figured that out on his own but also knew this just from the events of ME1. Like I said, she wasn't important other than the BioWare made her important. |
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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2020 19:59:46 GMT
That was a plot point they chose. It was unnecessary. It's not like Liara was the only person who knew about the Reapers. Everyone knew. That the Council later discredited it is a separate issue. All it would take is for literally anyone to believe in the Reapers. We don't know who the Benefactor is. Could easily have been a believer and so decided to pushed the Andromeda Initiative's timetable to ASAP rather than some point down the road. Liara is entirely irrelevant except that BioWare decided to make her important. As for you else, anyone? Tali told her people and it got out. Garrus told his people and it got out. Or whoever. You've got recordings about it from anyone who was in ME1, including Anderson. This is not a stretch by any means. I'd prefer NO person from the MET "appearing" in MEA. It wasn't needed. All we needed was the Benefactor had reason to believe it and we go from there. They used Liara and other MET references so the story felt connected to the IP instead of feeling like a new IP with the same window dressing. Liara was specifically being used as a anthropologist or archaeologist and for that none of the others big characters would fit. I guess they could of used the dude form Leviathan or something but hes small and from a optional DLC, Liara fir for that role. And yes data pads could have worked as well, but they wanted more see its still mass effect moments.
I'm sure maybe they could have linked another character to some other point of expertise but I can't think of any that would necessarily be potentially famous for that skill set. Like Garus wasn't a noted detective or something. A/K could be dead, and again neither really famous. Maybe Wrex could have left some Krogan words of wisdom found at the Krogan colony or something, but again he could be dead before he became a clan chief. Tali was just a kid. ME2 characters as this was before suicide mission, maybe mordin as a expert on alien biology or something but that's about it. While everyone else was maybe famous it was just for being a bad ass, not for any skill set that really fit for colonists. It's their way of trying to have it both ways: reboot the franchise without REALLY rebooting anything. Didn't work really. Just made a big (well, bigger) mess out of the lore.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 26, 2020 1:11:02 GMT
They used Liara and other MET references so the story felt connected to the IP instead of feeling like a new IP with the same window dressing. Liara was specifically being used as a anthropologist or archaeologist and for that none of the others big characters would fit. I guess they could of used the dude form Leviathan or something but hes small and from a optional DLC, Liara fir for that role. And yes data pads could have worked as well, but they wanted more see its still mass effect moments. Except she felt flat and emotionless. As someone else said, it was like the VA was "phoning it in". How was that useful? As I said, I could have done without her. If you want a connection, show standard male or female Shep. Or import your Shep from the MET if you've never played before. There were options. All that aside, being an archaeologist or anthropologist doesn't have anything to do with the arrival of the Reapers. I mean, Chorban figured that out on his own but also knew this just from the events of ME1. Like I said, she wasn't important other than the BioWare made her important. Sure, it was poorly executed. But using her makes sense, just hopefully with better dialogue and voice acting.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 26, 2020 5:29:37 GMT
Except she felt flat and emotionless. As someone else said, it was like the VA was "phoning it in". How was that useful? As I said, I could have done without her. If you want a connection, show standard male or female Shep. Or import your Shep from the MET if you've never played before. There were options. All that aside, being an archaeologist or anthropologist doesn't have anything to do with the arrival of the Reapers. I mean, Chorban figured that out on his own but also knew this just from the events of ME1. Like I said, she wasn't important other than the BioWare made her important. Sure, it was poorly executed. But using her makes sense, just hopefully with better dialogue and voice acting. Probably the fact that I'm not a Liara fan plays into my feelings on the subject. I'd honestly have found a leak from Cerberus more interesting.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 27, 2020 17:49:24 GMT
They used Liara and other MET references so the story felt connected to the IP instead of feeling like a new IP with the same window dressing. Liara was specifically being used as a anthropologist or archaeologist and for that none of the others big characters would fit. I guess they could of used the dude form Leviathan or something but hes small and from a optional DLC, Liara fir for that role. And yes data pads could have worked as well, but they wanted more see its still mass effect moments. Except she felt flat and emotionless. As someone else said, it was like the VA was "phoning it in". How was that useful? As I said, I could have done without her. If you want a connection, show standard male or female Shep. Or import your Shep from the MET if you've never played before. There were options. All that aside, being an archaeologist or anthropologist doesn't have anything to do with the arrival of the Reapers. I mean, Chorban figured that out on his own but also knew this just from the events of ME1. Like I said, she wasn't important other than the BioWare made her important. T'soni has more dialogue in MEA than some of the ME2 characters had in ME3. Anyways. What is interesting is her message she sent to Alec in 2186. She says it's been years since they corresponded. So how did she know Alec's private terminal number to send the message while he was sleeping on the Hyperion? If not, wouldn't Dunn have received the message as well? Of course why would she send that message? Alec and the others won't be returning to the Milky Way. As far as sounding flat and emotionless. Listening to the message she does. She sounds like a robot. Hmmm. Maybe Liara could replace the edibot, if the trilogy were to be remade. hahaha 
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 27, 2020 21:14:58 GMT
Arcs of every race leaving before the reapers would be big news for the people who were still in the MW. Ridiculously massive news, the kind of thing it not existing in ME1-3 would make little to no sense. Especially once the reapers arrived, you'd be happy to know at least some people escaped. How many convos would actually need to be changed? I can only think of a couple where extinction is explicitly discussed. Edit: come to think of it, at least one of those convos is with Liara, so that would need a rewrite anyway. |
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Post by ahglock on Sept 27, 2020 22:20:25 GMT
Arcs of every race leaving before the reapers would be big news for the people who were still in the MW. Ridiculously massive news, the kind of thing it not existing in ME1-3 would make little to no sense. Especially once the reapers arrived, you'd be happy to know at least some people escaped. How many convos would actually need to be changed? I can only think of a couple where extinction is explicitly discussed. Edit: come to think of it, at least one of those convos is with Liara, so that would need a rewrite anyway. Its not the volume of conversations, heck they could just mention it in the elevator rides to cover it as news. Its that the lack of them previously makes more sense if this was treated as a hidden project, intentionally avoiding publicity. So I feel if you add anything it should be more around that, so it feels more like reinforcing it and not like you are retconning something in. Like if I were to add something it would be a discovery of the remains of the facilities and people who worked their after the benefactor cleaned up.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 27, 2020 23:34:20 GMT
Sure, it was poorly executed. But using her makes sense, just hopefully with better dialogue and voice acting. Probably the fact that I'm not a Liara fan plays into my feelings on the subject. I'd honestly have found a leak from Cerberus more interesting. that is very normal to feel that way about Liara.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2020 1:43:48 GMT
I don't quite follow this. Which other MET character would be more useful when the plot point in question is what the AI leadership knew about the Reapers and the of the MW. Hostility to Liara isn't a compelling argument for not giving her the assignment. Do you have a better candidate? That was a plot point they chose. It was unnecessary. It's not like Liara was the only person who knew about the Reapers. Everyone knew. That the Council later discredited it is a separate issue. All it would take is for literally anyone to believe in the Reapers. We don't know who the Benefactor is. Could easily have been a believer and so decided to pushed the Andromeda Initiative's timetable to ASAP rather than some point down the road. Liara is entirely irrelevant except that BioWare decided to make her important. As for you else, anyone? Tali told her people and it got out. Garrus told his people and it got out. Or whoever. You've got recordings about it from anyone who was in ME1, including Anderson. This is not a stretch by any means. I'd prefer NO person from the MET "appearing" in MEA. It wasn't needed. All we needed was the Benefactor had reason to believe it and we go from there. If you weren't interested in when and what the AI leadership knew about the Reapers, that's fine. But judging from prerelease forum chatter, a lot of players were interested in this question. And sure, Liara could have ben replaced by Unknown Prothean Expert #26, or they could have contrived a reason to use a different known character. What's the advantage of doing so, for anyone who doesn't hate Liara because reasons?
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2020 1:49:31 GMT
How many convos would actually need to be changed? I can only think of a couple where extinction is explicitly discussed. Edit: come to think of it, at least one of those convos is with Liara, so that would need a rewrite anyway. Its not the volume of conversations, heck they could just mention it in the elevator rides to cover it as news. Its that the lack of them previously makes more sense if this was treated as a hidden project, intentionally avoiding publicity. So I feel if you add anything it should be more around that, so it feels more like reinforcing it and not like you are retconning something in. Like if I were to add something it would be a discovery of the remains of the facilities and people who worked their after the benefactor cleaned up. OK, sure. I just don't think it's all that big of a continuity problem. As for logic, I agree WRT Reapers going to Andromeda. OTOH, they've had plenty of time to get there in the intervening millions of years; we\re just going to have to swallow that they had a MW-only directive for some reason.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 28, 2020 6:56:28 GMT
If you weren't interested in when and what the AI leadership knew about the Reapers, that's fine. But judging from prerelease forum chatter, a lot of players were interested in this question. And sure, Liara could have ben replaced by Unknown Prothean Expert #26, or they could have contrived a reason to use a different known character. What's the advantage of doing so, for anyone who doesn't hate Liara because reasons? I like Liara (in ME1 though). Also I liked we got some callbacks to MW with some people. Also think Liara was much better than rando expert #26 would've been. She was even younger in the first audio clips (I'm young and asari  ).
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