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Post by fairdragon on Aug 1, 2020 6:43:54 GMT
Hi, in dragon age inquisition i have the feeling not many of my descision from Dragon age origions matter. So i was disappointed. Than i ask my self which one are importent to me. Connor, Bevin, Prisoner, Deygen, Dagna, Mardy. What is your opinion? What would you like to have an influence in the next game.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 1, 2020 6:54:41 GMT
I would like it if the Well of Sorrows decision has some actual consequences, and the Old God soul plays a big enough role that you can tell the difference between World States where it exists and World States where it doesn't. But I think the foreshadowing with Flemeth in Inquisition suggests they both will?
I would also like it if whoever winds up leading the Dalish clan in Origins (Zathrian if you side with the elves, Lanaya if you broker peace, or the Lady of the Forest if you kill the healthy elves and let the infected ones turn into werewolves) has a semi-major role.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 1, 2020 9:15:24 GMT
They can minimise most of our decisions because they occurred in the South and most of the action in the next game is likely to take place in the North, so can restrict most of our choices to differing codices. They pretty much ignored our choices and even the whole premise in DAA in DAI, particularly when it came to the Grey Warden plot. If Leliana wanted to know what was up with the Wardens then first call should have been to Vigil's Keep. Why was Clarel asking Teagan permission to enter Ferelden when the Wardens had a legitimate base in Ferelden authorised by the monarch? Why were Wardens in Ferelden taking orders from her and not Vigil's Keep? Even if the HoF had left on the own mission, they would have authorised a deputy to act in their place. (I would note that in the novel Last Flight apparently Vigil's Keep is running normally during the time period in question and it is only the Wardens in Orlais, led by Clarel, that have gone silent on the HQ). Previously the writers had conveniently overlooked the anomalies in the timeline and epilogue to DAA regarding Anders when they carried him over to DA2. So if they can ignore their own entire expansion story, our choices are minor by comparison.
I do hope the Well of Sorrows choice does have an impact going forward. Of course they could wipe it out altogether by claiming Mythal was absorbed by Solas but in that case she still exists and there was also that piece of her that she appeared to place in the eluvian in the epilogue to DAI. I'm anticipating some sort of twist involving the Well, particularly if it was the Inquisitor who drank as their plans are more likely to run contrary to those of Mythal than Morrigan's would.
It seems likely that our choice with regard to working with the Qun is not going to have much bearing on the future plot bearing in mind the way they have chosen to go with the Qun in Tevinter Nights. However, I suppose it might alter some of the dialogue with other characters depending on the choices we made.
If they decided to run with the Grey Warden discontent with the leadership in Weisshauppt then our decision may determine the attitude of various Wardens towards us and who, if anyone, we encounter at HQ, depending on who survived the Fade. However, the Trespasser epilogue seemed to have Hawke already back in Kirkwall, so I'm not sure where they might be going on this one. However, Tevinter Nights seems to suggest that we will be involved with the Wardens again in some way.
Another Warden related item that I would like resolved is the whole business of the HoF (if they survived DAO) heading off into the west in search of a cure for the taint. I might have been content that this was just a device to explain why they weren't around for the events of DAI and that would be the last we would hear of them, except if they were in a romance with Leliana they are back with her at the end of Trespasser. So did they find a cure? If not, did they discover anything useful? Why did they think there was useful information to be found in the west in the first place? Where exactly did they go: The Tirashan, Urthemiel Plateau, Sea of Ash or somewhere off the map? I'd definitely like some answers to this.
The other choice that may impact is how we finally left things with Solas in Trespasser. However, I'm hoping our next PC will not be too constrained by the decisions of their predecessor.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 1, 2020 9:54:11 GMT
They can minimise most of our decisions because they occurred in the South and most of the action in the next game is likely to take place in the North, so can restrict most of our choices to differing codices. They pretty much ignored our choices and even the whole premise in DAA in DAI, particularly when it came to the Grey Warden plot. If Leliana wanted to know what was up with the Wardens then first call should have been to Vigil's Keep. Why was Clarel asking Teagan permission to enter Ferelden when the Wardens had a legitimate base in Ferelden authorised by the monarch? Why were Wardens in Ferelden taking orders from her and not Vigil's Keep? Even if the HoF had left on the own mission, they would have authorised a deputy to act in their place. (I would note that in the novel Last Flight apparently Vigil's Keep is running normally during the time period in question and it is only the Wardens in Orlais, led by Clarel, that have gone silent on the HQ). Previously the writers had conveniently overlooked the anomalies in the timeline and epilogue to DAA regarding Anders when they carried him over to DA2. So if they can ignore their own entire expansion story, our choices are minor by comparison.
I do hope the Well of Sorrows choice does have an impact going forward. Of course they could wipe it out altogether by claiming Mythal was absorbed by Solas but in that case she still exists and there was also that piece of her that she appeared to place in the eluvian in the epilogue to DAI. I'm anticipating some sort of twist involving the Well, particularly if it was the Inquisitor who drank as their plans are more likely to run contrary to those of Mythal than Morrigan's would.
It seems likely that our choice with regard to working with the Qun is not going to have much bearing on the future plot bearing in mind the way they have chosen to go with the Qun in Tevinter Nights. However, I suppose it might alter some of the dialogue with other characters depending on the choices we made.
If they decided to run with the Grey Warden discontent with the leadership in Weisshauppt then our decision may determine the attitude of various Wardens towards us and who, if anyone, we encounter at HQ, depending on who survived the Fade. However, the Trespasser epilogue seemed to have Hawke already back in Kirkwall, so I'm not sure where they might be going on this one. However, Tevinter Nights seems to suggest that we will be involved with the Wardens again in some way.
Another Warden related item that I would like resolved is the whole business of the HoF (if they survived DAO) heading off into the west in search of a cure for the taint. I might have been content that this was just a device to explain why they weren't around for the events of DAI and that would be the last we would hear of them, except if they were in a romance with Leliana they are back with her at the end of Trespasser. So did they find a cure? If not, did they discover anything useful? Why did they think there was useful information to be found in the west in the first place? Where exactly did they go: The Tirashan, Urthemiel Plateau, Sea of Ash or somewhere off the map? I'd definitely like some answers to this.
The other choice that may impact is how we finally left things with Solas in Trespasser. However, I'm hoping our next PC will not be too constrained by the decisions of their predecessor.
That isn't what i meant. I want to know what you would like not what they do. I want them to change this. i want them to see that the keep and the decisions we make mean something for us (the player) and that we want to make a difference over games. If the spirit Leliana isn't importent in the next game i don't know why they do it. it is annoying to make decisions and they overlooked or bent it. There for what would you like to make a differens for the next game/s?
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Post by Frost on Aug 1, 2020 13:53:43 GMT
I would like to see consequences for the choices at the end of Trespasser (how to approach Solas and what to do with the Inquisition). These seem directly relevant to DA4. I would also like to see some negative consequences from doing the dark ritual. As it stands, if you don't do it, it seems like the Warden's sacrifice was for nothing. If there is nothing bad about it, why call it the dark ritual and why did Morrigan refuse to explain it?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 1, 2020 14:05:38 GMT
Well many of the choices you reference are not really world changing, so only really significant on a local level and thus no real reason for them to carry them forward. Still I see what you mean. Bevin: I seem to recall Bevin is said to go to be an adventurer in the epilogue, so there is a possibility he could turn up somewhere in our adventures. Actually that would be good if he played a part in the events going forward.
Dagna: It was good to see Dagna playing a part in events in DAI and may still do in the future.
Zerlinda: Remember this dwarven lady who was rejected by her family for refusing to abandon her son of a casteless in the Deep Roads? That son would be around 20 or so now, quite old enough to be out in the world. I'd really like to see him Topside.
From DA2: Ella; Feynriel (since it is possible to reverse tranquillity, why not? Either way he could have ended up in Tevinter)
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 1, 2020 14:17:33 GMT
I would also like to see some negative consequences from doing the dark ritual. As it stands, if you don't do it, it seems like the Warden's sacrifice was for nothing. If there is nothing bad about it, why call it the dark ritual and why did Morrigan refuse to explain it?
I agree with this. Kieran seemed a little strange as the OGB but nothing sinister about him and then the soul can transfer from him with no ill effects. If the Warden and Morrigan were in a relationship, then it is happy families thereafter. There should have been a definite downside to taking this path.
However, they seem to like doing this, making you believe that taking the risky looking path is a bad idea and then it actually working out better than the other one. Look at the decision whether to banish the Grey Wardens or not. They make it clear they will still be at risk from Corypheus if they stay in Orlais, so it seemed only sensible to send them away for their own safety if nothing else. Then not only do you get extra War Table missions if you keep them with the Inquisition but that also gives you the better epilogue. Also if you specifically tell Leliana NOT to use the events at Adamant against the banished Wardens, the writers ignore this and have everyone in wider Thedas turn against them. If we had chosen not to banish the Wardens I feel they should have turned against us later in the game because Corypheus is still controlling them. The Wardens in the Arbor Wilds don't count because they are there regardless of the choice you made.
It was the same back in DAO with the decision about Connor. If you haven't already dealt with the problems at the Circle Tower then leaving him running loose should have had a downside owing to the amount of time it takes you dealing with the Broken Circle. Yet all the negatives attach to the decision to deal with the possessed child before leaving the castle.
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Post by Frost on Aug 1, 2020 14:40:22 GMT
I agree with this. Kieran seemed a little strange as the OGB but nothing sinister about him and then the soul can transfer from him with no ill effects. If the Warden and Morrigan were in a relationship, then it is happy families thereafter. There should have been a definite downside to taking this path.
However, they seem to like doing this, making you believe that taking the risky looking path is a bad idea and then it actually working out better than the other one. Look at the decision whether to banish the Grey Wardens or not. They make it clear they will still be at risk from Corypheus if they stay in Orlais, so it seemed only sensible to send them away for their own safety if nothing else. Then not only do you get extra War Table missions if you keep them with the Inquisition but that also gives you the better epilogue. Also if you specifically tell Leliana NOT to use the events at Adamant against the banished Wardens, the writers ignore this and have everyone in wider Thedas turn against them. If we had chosen not to banish the Wardens I feel they should have turned against us later in the game because Corypheus is still controlling them. The Wardens in the Arbor Wilds don't count because they are there regardless of the choice you made.
It was the same back in DAO with the decision about Connor. If you haven't already dealt with the problems at the Circle Tower then leaving him running loose should have had a downside owing to the amount of time it takes you dealing with the Broken Circle. Yet all the negatives attach to the decision to deal with the possessed child before leaving the castle. Yes, I dislike that style of choice. It seems cheap. I don't mind having happy outcomes, but I would like the happy outcome to follow logically from the choices presented, or be based on choices made earlier in the game, rather than them presenting the happy choice as if it will have negative outcomes and then not having any. If a choice is presented with negative outcomes, I would like to see those negative outcomes as a consequence of the choice in the game.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 2, 2020 0:30:38 GMT
I say none of them. All the characters from all the previous games should get together in Orlais or someplace to discuss the latest threat to the existence of Thedas, only to be crushed mid-conversation by an enormous Titan foot.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 2, 2020 1:47:16 GMT
I say none of them. All the characters from all the previous games should get together in Orlais or someplace to discuss the latest threat to the existence of Thedas, only to be crushed mid-conversation by an enormous Titan foot. Well, you're probably going to be disappointed. Edit: Speaking of disappointment, I would like it if the choice as to whether or not the Warden murders Genitivi in the Temple of Sacred Ashes was respected. But there's no slide in the Keep for it, and Genitivi is alive and well and passing information to the heroes in Tevinter Nights, so you're probably not the only one who's going to be disappointed come DA:tDWR.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 2, 2020 5:18:30 GMT
Well for a lot of the choices we've made the consequences of are probably going to be too far south for us to see but there's still some that it'd be nice to get a look at.
Dagna, with mention of her Sera romance in world states where it happens could show up as her magic research is probably going to be relevant and so in use by the secret inquisition.
It would be great to see Velanna and how she's grown and, if you gave her the empty Journal, to see that she's filled it with stories.
We've had multiple run ins with Dalish clans where we can help them out or end up the death of them over the previous games, it would be cool to see members of these clans if they are alive. Maybe fighting against solas, maybe some have been recruited by him. Or maybe at an Arlathvhen in Nevarra or Antiva where the clans are gathered to discuss this rise of fen'harel.
It would also be good to see some consequences for the Well of Sorrows. Which seems very do-able, since it's just a binary choice between Morrigan and the Inquisitor, both of whom are alive.
You can send Feynriel to Tevinter in Da2 so it would be great to see him.
If you make friends with Shale she decides to travel Minrathous to consult their store of arcane knowledge and try to become a dwarf again. So it could be interesting to run into her either during her search, or after if she's moved on to looking elsewhere, or given up/finished entirely and now just knows alot of info from the search.
Divine Victoria is based in orlais but her reach stretches to all of the non-Tevinter Chantry. So we could hear different rumours/ambient dialogue about what they're doing depending on who we elected.
If Dorian's still investigating his father's murder come da4 then his dialogue may change based on whether you took him to meet his father and whether or not you encouraged them to reconcile or not.
Whether the Iron Bull turned tal vashoth or tried to kill the Inquisitor should have an effect, if only on the dialogue of a romanced dorian (or inquisitor).
Feel like whose the Emperor/empress of orlais should be something we hear mentioned atleast once even though it probably won't effect anything.
If Fenris isn't dead then one way or another he's in Tevinter. Initially fighting slavers, and now dealing with some red lyrium bullshit. Or reenslaved to Danarius if you actually picked that option. So that seems like a decision whose consequences we can see.
Whether we were friends, disliked or romancing Solas should make a difference somewhere too. Even if we're a new pc and it just changes a few of his lines.
And we have indeed now moved far enough in time from the first game that Bevin the adventurer can be adventuring. Huh, he could be a Lord of Fortune, that would be fun.
This was all i could think of, don't imagine I'll see all of it come to pass though.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 2, 2020 11:55:47 GMT
Edit: Speaking of disappointment, I would like it if the choice as to whether or not the Warden murders Genitivi in the Temple of Sacred Ashes was respected. But there's no slide in the Keep for it, and Genitivi is alive and well and passing information to the heroes in Tevinter Nights, so you're probably not the only one who's going to be disappointed come DA:tDWR. Bah, yeah. Every warden of mine who is either an elf or mage (except my first Amell) killed the guy, both for the reason Morrigan states as well as his motivation for his work at least partially boiling down to "more understanding = easier conversion", regardless of what was actually done with the urn. Is it too much to hope that they might at least just mention the other members of his group in DA4 as to keep it ambigous?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 2, 2020 12:57:37 GMT
only choices I can see having impact are: - who you picked as Divine (even if we're going to Tevinter there should be some reference, especially if Vivienne was made Divine (I mean, she's a mage...imo. I think that Tevinter would approve) - who drank from the Well of Sorrows (it's a big decision which could have major consequences) - fate of the Inquisition and your decision concerning Solas (stop/redeem)
All other choices in the Keep were resolved in one way or another in previous games, and most will likely have no impact on the next game (depending on where we'll be heading of course)
however, I sincerely hope we'll get some conclusion to the choice of killing or sparing the Architect
(I heard/read there was going to be a plot in Inquisition which would've addressed it, but it needs to be resolved damnit! )
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 2, 2020 16:16:14 GMT
None. BioWare should set DA4 about 20 years after the events of DAI to lessen the impact of the previous choices of the previous games (the choices and their consequences have happened but are no longer big deals) and allow for a clean state.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 2, 2020 19:19:52 GMT
None. BioWare should set DA4 about 20 years after the events of DAI to lessen the impact of the previous choices of the previous games (the choices and their consequences have happened but are no longer big deals) and allow for a clean state. That is something what i hope will not happend. I like the choices and the more consequences they have over several games the better. But it is interessting what other gamers thing.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 2, 2020 19:35:05 GMT
Well for a lot of the choices we've made the consequences of are probably going to be too far south for us to see but there's still some that it'd be nice to get a look at. Dagna, with mention of her Sera romance in world states where it happens could show up as her magic research is probably going to be relevant and so in use by the secret inquisition. It would be great to see Velanna and how she's grown and, if you gave her the empty Journal, to see that she's filled it with stories. We've had multiple run ins with Dalish clans where we can help them out or end up the death of them over the previous games, it would be cool to see members of these clans if they are alive. Maybe fighting against solas, maybe some have been recruited by him. Or maybe at an Arlathvhen in Nevarra or Antiva where the clans are gathered to discuss this rise of fen'harel. It would also be good to see some consequences for the Well of Sorrows. Which seems very do-able, since it's just a binary choice between Morrigan and the Inquisitor, both of whom are alive. You can send Feynriel to Tevinter in Da2 so it would be great to see him. If you make friends with Shale she decides to travel Minrathous to consult their store of arcane knowledge and try to become a dwarf again. So it could be interesting to run into her either during her search, or after if she's moved on to looking elsewhere, or given up/finished entirely and now just knows alot of info from the search. Divine Victoria is based in orlais but her reach stretches to all of the non-Tevinter Chantry. So we could hear different rumours/ambient dialogue about what they're doing depending on who we elected. If Dorian's still investigating his father's murder come da4 then his dialogue may change based on whether you took him to meet his father and whether or not you encouraged them to reconcile or not. Whether the Iron Bull turned tal vashoth or tried to kill the Inquisitor should have an effect, if only on the dialogue of a romanced dorian (or inquisitor). Feel like whose the Emperor/empress of orlais should be something we hear mentioned atleast once even though it probably won't effect anything. If Fenris isn't dead then one way or another he's in Tevinter. Initially fighting slavers, and now dealing with some red lyrium bullshit. Or reenslaved to Danarius if you actually picked that option. So that seems like a decision whose consequences we can see. Whether we were friends, disliked or romancing Solas should make a difference somewhere too. Even if we're a new pc and it just changes a few of his lines. And we have indeed now moved far enough in time from the first game that Bevin the adventurer can be adventuring. Huh, he could be a Lord of Fortune, that would be fun. This was all i could think of, don't imagine I'll see all of it come to pass though. I don't thing that is a metter. Even a bird can chance a live if he flies past at the wrong moment. (it's just a lot of programming work)
What did i mean, an exampel: The prisionor is a good Thief. If we need in DA4 something importent from the inqusion what they want to give to us but it doesn't come out of the south because it's stolen, then we have a problem. Let's say if we killed him, nothig would happen. If we let him be, he would steal it. If we gave him food, he have leaved the land and we hear later from him.
The same i have hoped for Leliana and Dagna.
When Dagna stayed with her Dad she learn magic but wouldn't leave orzama. So the fight without acanistin is automatically heavier. Leliana when she is dead she wouldn't be our spiemaster. (Exception her spirit being mean something.) We have an other spiemaster who has an other setting, making some things easier, others more difficult.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 2, 2020 21:29:39 GMT
Edit: Speaking of disappointment, I would like it if the choice as to whether or not the Warden murders Genitivi in the Temple of Sacred Ashes was respected. But there's no slide in the Keep for it, and Genitivi is alive and well and passing information to the heroes in Tevinter Nights, so you're probably not the only one who's going to be disappointed come DA:tDWR. Bah, yeah. Every warden of mine who is either an elf or mage (except my first Amell) killed the guy, both for the reason Morrigan states as well as his motivation for his work at least partially boiling down to "more understanding = easier conversion", regardless of what was actually done with the urn. Diana Mahariel did it exclusively for the latter reason: she brought Wynne with her everywhere instead of Morrigan because she had more use for a Spirit Healer than a Shapechanger, so she never even heard Morrigan's reason. (And yeah, Wynne chewed her the hell out for knifing Genitivi.) (What was Morrigan's reason? The wiki doesn't say, and I only made a habit of bringing Morrigan everywhere on my first playthrough.)It probably is. Even if they don't hint at his survival in any other way, we now know that the "Randy Dowager" who first appeared in DA:I was Genitivi under a psuedonym, and we're probably going to hear at least a little from "her." Besides, I'm kind of hoping that (Formerly) Sister Laudine will be a companion, and if I get my wish there then there's no way she won't bring up the events of that story in some detail.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 3, 2020 1:32:52 GMT
I don't think the Randy dowager codex entries have dates on them, so even if genitivi is telling the truth about writing them and not just messing with Philliam, the books we see in Inquisition could have been published years ago. And any further publications after his death could be the result of genitivi's publisher hiring a ghost writer so as to keep profits incoming. Something they couldn't get away with with his historical works since he is known to be dead. But can do with his smut works that are under a pseudonym. Again this is assuming it's not just a lie.
And of course the events of the scholors expedition are only Canon to the world state they're in, similar events happened differently in other world states, for example without the involvment of dead genitivi. Same as the other books, it doesn't invalidate your would state.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 3, 2020 1:54:39 GMT
Bah, yeah. Every warden of mine who is either an elf or mage (except my first Amell) killed the guy, both for the reason Morrigan states as well as his motivation for his work at least partially boiling down to "more understanding = easier conversion", regardless of what was actually done with the urn. Diana Mahariel did it exclusively for the latter reason: she brought Wynne with her everywhere instead of Morrigan because she had more use for a Spirit Healer than a Shapechanger, so she never even heard Morrigan's reason. (And yeah, Wynne chewed her the hell out for knifing Genitivi.) (What was Morrigan's reason? The wiki doesn't say, and I only made a habit of bringing Morrigan everywhere on my first playthrough.) Wait, does that mean at least your Dalish agrees with that reasoning? Can't believe it. In other situations, I'm usually making myself very unpopular with being rather pessimitic about the motivations of some andrastians. Well, when lacking Wynne for some reason I usually opted to give Spirit Healer to Morrigan as her second spec. Usually do urn late anyway. There you go: Oh, I did not even know that. Does not sound well.
I do like the idea of Laudine and the double heresy potential about EX-sister and... wasn't there some rumor about her being a mage? I hit a roadblock when reading TN after hitting the first few pages of that story to be honest, as my previous fear about Genitivi just being "alive and well" was immediately confirmed. Guess I have to bring up the courage to finish the damn book, especally since I like some of the other stories ("Down among the dead men", "Luck in the Gardens", the one with Neve Gallus freezing a blood sacrifice), but first that reckless Mary Sue of an Antivan Crow Dellamorte as well as the prospect of having to see him again and then "Genitivi's still alive, lol!" really kicked me out.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 3, 2020 2:42:29 GMT
Diana Mahariel did it exclusively for the latter reason: she brought Wynne with her everywhere instead of Morrigan because she had more use for a Spirit Healer than a Shapechanger, so she never even heard Morrigan's reason. (And yeah, Wynne chewed her the hell out for knifing Genitivi.) (What was Morrigan's reason? The wiki doesn't say, and I only made a habit of bringing Morrigan everywhere on my first playthrough.) Wait, does that mean at least your Dalish agrees with that reasoning? Can't believe it. In other situations, I'm usually making myself very unpopular with being rather pessimitic about the motivations of some andrastians. Shouldn't she be a little worried about stuff that might make the Chantry stronger? She is Dalish. I imagine even the ones who don't think it's worth killing Genitivi over this have a little worry in the backs of their minds about where this is going. Mind you, I'm not sure Genitivi's deliberately trying to help the Chantry: I think he might just be spreading the location of the Temple because he thinks the Andrastians the Chantry serves deserve to know it. But he could be doing it at least partially to help the Chantry, and even if he's not, that doesn't mean his work won't strengthen the Chantry... and it doesn't make Diana any more okay with that outcome. Thanks. I don't remember if the rationale that the Urn would eventually run dry occurred to her: Alistair might have mentioned it, but if he did, Diana and I didn't pay any attention. The idea that this would increase the Chantry's legitimacy had already occurred to her, and Diana didn't need any other reason to stop this. Andrastianism was already way too popular and powerful for her tastes (especially among elves) without this boost. (Also, I have made Morrigan a Spirit Healer at least once, but I still don't like using her as much as I like using Wynne: I don't have much use for the Shapechanger spec, and Morrigan's stuck with that one. I can make Morrigan either a Spirit Healer or an Arcane Warrior, but with Wynne, I can do both.) If you haven't read it and are still relatively unspoiled, then I probably shouldn't have told you that Genitivi is (or claims to be) the Randy Dowager or let on that Laudine's still a potential companion. (My bad.) Anyway, if you have it, then you should probably get back to reading it. I don't think the Randy dowager codex entries have dates on them, so even if genitivi is telling the truth about writing them and not just messing with Philliam, the books we see in Inquisition could have been published years ago. And any further publications after his death could be the result of genitivi's publisher hiring a ghost writer so as to keep profits incoming. Something they couldn't get away with with his historical works since he is known to be dead. But can do with his smut works that are under a pseudonym. Again this is assuming it's not just a lie. And of course the events of the scholors expedition are only Canon to the world state they're in, similar events happened differently in other world states, for example without the involvment of dead genitivi. Same as the other books, it doesn't invalidate your would state. All true. So if the only reason to worry was that he appeared in Tevinter Nights, I wouldn't worry at all. But there's also the fact that the Keep doesn't ask what I did with Genitivi, which means Inquisition didn't know what I'd done and the next game likely won't either. If you combine those two, it looks like the decision's being retconned.
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Post by Zemgus on Aug 3, 2020 5:11:01 GMT
DAO: If Shale is awakened and alive I hope she has an cameo appearance. She said she wanted to go to Tevinter to try to become a dwarf again... could be a fun side quest for us to help her do that.
Whether Sten was recruited or not... I feel like this would have a meaningful impact... for example if he was recruited he would have positive experiences outside of the Qun but if he wasn't how was he able to return home and become the Arishok without his sword?
Who rules Ferelden. I feel like this is one of the choices that hasn't had enough consequences. It seems like Ferelden should be headed for a succession crisis sooner or later because Anora is barren and Alistair/Cousland is also infertile thanks to the taint. So it can't be all roses and rainbows no matter what choice you made... I would very much like to see that addressed. Also, if Kieran is Cousland's son and no longer has the Old God Soul or "destiny" as his mother put it... then he's still an heir to the throne and I could see Morrigan wanting to do something about that.
DAA: If the Architect was spared then maybe it's time to solve that plot thread. Did he succeed in his plan? How did Corypheus and the Breach affect him?
DA2: If Fenris is a free man or a slave. This is one of my favorites. I want to see slave!Fenris cameo appearance where he's running errands for Danarius and maybe later in the game is freed & recruited by the Dread Wolf. If he's not a slave and has all his memories & personality from DA2 then I can't see him siding with Solas, but perhaps could be a returning companion?
Anders' fate. I feel like this choice should've been dealt with in DAI. If Anders is still alive I hope he gets a cameo appearance and we get to deal with him and Justice.
(Former) Arishok's fate. If he was killed or if Hawke gave him Isabela and he left peacefully. If the latter choice was made then is he still alive or did the Qunari kill him for failing to return the Tome of Koslun to them? We need answers. Would be fun to encounter rogue ex-Arishok exiled in the wilds and maybe even recruit him.
DAI: Well of Sorrows. I truly hope this choice has a meaningful impact on the story of DA4. It's one of my favorite choices from the entire Dragon Age series - I'm so glad we weren't forced to watch smug Morrigan drink from it - and from elven Inquisitors pov (especially if they were the First) it just made perfect sense for them to be the one to preserve it. I hope this choice doesn't get diminished/taken away (like the Kieran choice kind of was). I would love to see the Inquisitor tame more dragons!
Who rules Orlais. If it's Celene then there will probably be no significant consequences, but if it's Briala or Gaspard then I imagine things could get very interesting. Will Gaspard start another war with Ferelden? Will Briala be able to stay in power now that her biggest supporter - the Inquisition - is no longer in power? These are the questions I would like answers to.
The Fade choice. Who was left behind... I've seen some theories about this (that they actually survived somehow even though I'm pretty sure we saw the Nightmare kill Hawke/the Warden right before we left the Fade). I hope that whoever was left behind is actually dead. Just like the player could choose whether the Warden did the heroic sacrifice or lived as a living legend. I think it was nice to be able to make that choice for Hawke/Alistair/Loghain. So what I'm hoping is that the dead stay dead. If Hawke's LI makes a cameo appearance in DA4 then I would love to see how they have dealt with Hawke's death: Merril, Anders, Fenris, etc,... I imagine it would affect all of them in different ways.
If Solas was romanced. I loved the Solavellan romance and would like to see it continued in DA4.
Trespasser: Romanced Qun!Bull's betrayal. This may be minor compared to the other choice/consequences... but I think it's a very interesting one because a betrayal like that would leave it's mark I imagine. If the Inquisitor returns in a meaningful role and they have to deal with Qunari in some way... then I imagine that would a natural time to bring it up (I remember the epilogue mentioning something about this being public knowledge and everyone making fun of the poor Inquisitor).
Whether the Inquisition was disbanded or became the Divine's honor guard. This seems like something that naturally should have consequences in DA4.
Whether the Inquisitor decided to redeem or kill Solas. Same as before.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 3, 2020 5:34:02 GMT
DA2: If Fenris is a free man or a slave. This is one of my favorites. I want to see slave!Fenris cameo appearance where he's running errands for Danarius and maybe later in the game is freed & recruited by the Dread Wolf. If he's not a slave and has all his memories & personality from DA2 then I can't see him siding with Solas, but perhaps could be a returning companion? I suspect that Fenris is going to rebel again if he has been re-enslaved. For one thing, the cop-out would make things appreciably easier for Bioware: he'd be in the same basic position and he'd be able to fill the same narrative role, and they'd just need him to speak different lines while he did it. For another, it's not that much of a cop-out: it isn't at all out-of-character for Fenris to rebel against Danarius again, and it shouldn't be surprising. I mean, he did it once before, after he'd been mindwiped the first time. Danarius seems to think that doing the same thing twice will give him a better result the second time around, but why would or should that be the case? The Fade choice. Who was left behind... I've seen some theories about this (that they actually survived somehow even though I'm pretty sure we saw the Nightmare kill Hawke/the Warden right before we left the Fade). I hope that whoever was left behind is actually dead. Just like the player could choose whether the Warden did the heroic sacrifice or lived as a living legend. I think it was nice to be able to make that choice for Hawke/Alistair/Loghain. So what I'm hoping is that the dead stay dead. If Hawke's LI makes a cameo appearance in DA4 then I would love to see how they have dealt with Hawke's death: Merril, Anders, Fenris, etc,... I imagine it would affect all of them in different ways. Yeah, we did. Whoever's left behind collapses under the Nightmare's body just as everyone else is leaving through the rift. So they're dead at best, possessed by a god-like superdemon at worst. (Although given how kickass a bossfight that would be, maybe we should hope they lived.)
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2020 7:39:17 GMT
All true. So if the only reason to worry was that he appeared in Tevinter Nights, I wouldn't worry at all. But there's also the fact that the Keep doesn't ask what I did with Genitivi, which means Inquisition didn't know what I'd done and the next game likely won't either. If you combine those two, it looks like the decision's being retconned. Basically if you die on the holy mountain, you don't, unless you are heretics. Finally proof of the Maker. They already had ignored the decision in DAI because even though you wanted it kept quiet apparently somehow it got out and within the space of 10 years it had become the site of a major pilgrimage. In fact it didn't take that long because if you read the biography for Tamar, one of the multi-player characters, after the " Hero of Ferelden's discovery of the temple, the Chantry took great interest in the area and sent soldiers to reclaim it." So at least one of your companions who didn't die there spilled the beans regardless of your wishes on the matter. Thus poor old Genitivi died in vain and if the purpose of you killing him was removed, why not ignore his death as well? The Chantry gaining knowledge of the site was explained in DAO epilogue by the fact that the ashes were used to heal Arl Eamon. Naturally word of that would have got out, particularly considering the importance of the individual. I dare say if Leliana was on the case (who also cannot die) on behalf of her friend, Chantry Mother Dorothea (not yet Divine) it wouldn't have taken them long to be pointed in the right direction. The choices made at the sacred ashes site were all essentially overridden by the use of the Temple of Sacred Ashes as the location of the Conclave. In the epilogue to DAO, if you don't kill the dragon it eventually destroys the temple, leaving only ruins, but I suppose they could argue that the Chantry re-built it. I believe the codex in DAI also explains that the Guardian and the ashes had disappeared before the Chantry got there, so whatever you did to them was effectively side-stepped as well.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 3, 2020 17:39:59 GMT
All true. So if the only reason to worry was that he appeared in Tevinter Nights, I wouldn't worry at all. But there's also the fact that the Keep doesn't ask what I did with Genitivi, which means Inquisition didn't know what I'd done and the next game likely won't either. If you combine those two, it looks like the decision's being retconned. Basically if you die on the holy mountain, you don't, unless you are heretics. Finally proof of the Maker. They already had ignored the decision in DAI because even though you wanted it kept quiet apparently somehow it got out and within the space of 10 years it had become the site of a major pilgrimage. In fact it didn't take that long because if you read the biography for Tamar, one of the multi-player characters, after the " Hero of Ferelden's discovery of the temple, the Chantry took great interest in the area and sent soldiers to reclaim it." So at least one of your companions who didn't die there spilled the beans regardless of your wishes on the matter. Thus poor old Genitivi died in vain and if the purpose of you killing him was removed, why not ignore his death as well? The Chantry gaining knowledge of the site was explained in DAO epilogue by the fact that the ashes were used to heal Arl Eamon. Naturally word of that would have got out, particularly considering the importance of the individual. I dare say if Leliana was on the case (who also cannot die) on behalf of her friend, Chantry Mother Dorothea (not yet Divine) it wouldn't have taken them long to be pointed in the right direction. The choices made at the sacred ashes site were all essentially overridden by the use of the Temple of Sacred Ashes as the location of the Conclave. In the epilogue to DAO, if you don't kill the dragon it eventually destroys the temple, leaving only ruins, but I suppose they could argue that the Chantry re-built it. I believe the codex in DAI also explains that the Guardian and the ashes had disappeared before the Chantry got there, so whatever you did to them was effectively side-stepped as well. And that is disappointing.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 4, 2020 1:05:36 GMT
Wait, does that mean at least your Dalish agrees with that reasoning? Can't believe it. In other situations, I'm usually making myself very unpopular with being rather pessimitic about the motivations of some andrastians. 1) Shouldn't she be a little worried about stuff that might make the Chantry stronger? She is Dalish. I imagine even the ones who don't think it's worth killing Genitivi over this have a little worry in the backs of their minds about where this is going. Mind you, I'm not sure Genitivi's deliberately trying to help the Chantry: I think he might just be spreading the location of the Temple because he thinks the Andrastians the Chantry serves deserve to know it. But he could be doing it at least partially to help the Chantry, and even if he's not, that doesn't mean his work won't strengthen the Chantry... and it doesn't make Diana any more okay with that outcome. Thanks. I don't remember if the rationale that the Urn would eventually run dry occurred to her: Alistair might have mentioned it, but if he did, Diana and I didn't pay any attention. The idea that this would increase the Chantry's legitimacy had already occurred to her, and Diana didn't need any other reason to stop this. Andrastianism was already way too popular and powerful for her tastes (especially among elves) without this boost. (Also, I have made Morrigan a Spirit Healer at least once, but I still don't like using her as much as I like using Wynne: I don't have much use for the Shapechanger spec, and Morrigan's stuck with that one. I can make Morrigan either a Spirit Healer or an Arcane Warrior, but with Wynne, I can do both.)2) If you haven't read it and are still relatively unspoiled, then I probably shouldn't have told you that Genitivi is (or claims to be) the Randy Dowager or let on that Laudine's still a potential companion. (My bad.) Anyway, if you have it, then you should probably get back to reading it. 1) Oh, I totally agree. I was just surprised that someone else gets that reasoning, as I'm usually expecting "But defenseless old innocent. That's eeeevil" or "Omg, how dare you murder a Chantry brother?" being tossed in my direction. On the other hand, what I would consider as downright "evil" is handing the records from Din'an Hanin over to the Chantry sister in ValRoy. They abuse it immediately if I recall right.
2) I took Alistair's comment as mostly cynical to be honest, but you are right otherwise, my elves/mages did not "need" Morrigan to recognise that either, she just sums it up better than I could. I tend to mercilessly mod the characters when I feel like. The most extreme thing I did was probably taking Zevran and shuffling all his stats around via save editor so he would make a better lockpicker. I was really tired of needing to bring Leliana along for everything at that time. And switching fighting styles around for the warriors. Two-handed templars smite better anyway, due to all the willpower I like to give to that fighting style. Spec I never touched though.
3) Nah, no problem. I was spoilered on some details even before the book was released back in March and my copy was stuck in corona delay. There are quite a few other candidates for companions, enough to fill up the whole roster. I'd like Neve, as long as she stays on an interesting middle path, so to speak. Bioware as of late (i.e. DAI) went to deep into the binary "evil cackler" or "andrastian" with regards to mages (excluding Solas obviously). I still vehemently insist that there is more to magic in Thedas' cultures than "evil Tevinters" and "southerners with (prison-style) circles and templars".
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