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Post by Rascoth on Sept 8, 2020 16:56:14 GMT
Aah yey I was waiting for a full pic/clearer detail of the one with Badass Elf in it Looks like he's wielding a simple staff. Either mage or a simple staff-fighter like Irian Cestes. I was guessing staff-fighter too. Simple staff + trying to hit someone with it. And given the long dust trail behind speedy on the left, I wonder if that's a class feature or something specific to that character. I'm all for hitting people with staves. Considering what some of them have on top, it might hurt more than getting hit with normal melee weapons *sigh* I wish they'd bring back close-combat animations for ranged characters.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 8, 2020 17:00:30 GMT
I was guessing staff-fighter too. Simple staff + trying to hit someone with it. And given the long dust trail behind speedy on the left, I wonder if that's a class feature or something specific to that character. I'm all for hitting people with staves. Considering what some of them have on top, it might hurt more than getting hit with normal melee weapons *sigh* I wish they'd bring back close-combat animations for ranged characters. I long for cutscene head bops with a staff/stave. Sure, murder knife is nice, but sometimes I just want to give someone a noogie with my wooden kill stick.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 8, 2020 17:06:21 GMT
Aah yey I was waiting for a full pic/clearer detail of the one with Badass Elf in it Looks like he's wielding a simple staff. Either mage or a simple staff-fighter like Irian Cestes. I was guessing staff-fighter too. Simple staff + trying to hit someone with it. And given the long dust trail behind speedy on the left, I wonder if that's a class feature or something specific to that character. I think the idea that the next game is classless is just the right one. For example, Speedy might be using haste there despite being a "rogue". Also, it would explains the lack of Dwarves, they can't use magic.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 8, 2020 17:11:11 GMT
There could never really be such a thing as a true classless system in DA, much like there couldn’t be in Mass Effect. You’re either a magic-wielder or not. Even if you could invest in magic on every character, you can’t acquire spell-casting abilities, just magic resistance, like a Templar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 17:11:41 GMT
I was guessing staff-fighter too. Simple staff + trying to hit someone with it. And given the long dust trail behind speedy on the left, I wonder if that's a class feature or something specific to that character. I think the idea that the next game is classless is just the right one. For example, Speedy might be using haste there despite being a "rogue". Also, it would explains the lack of Dwarves, they can't use magic. That’s a hard no for me. Requiring us to have magic as an option, and therefore eliminating dwarf race option, is a terrible horrible idea from my perspective. The dwarf fandom is small but mighty. Just give us our dwarves and we are happy and content.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 8, 2020 17:12:24 GMT
I'm all for hitting people with staves. Considering what some of them have on top, it might hurt more than getting hit with normal melee weapons *sigh* I wish they'd bring back close-combat animations for ranged characters.I long for cutscene head bops with a staff/stave. Sure, murder knife is nice, but sometimes I just want to give someone a noogie with my wooden kill stick. I just want "headbutt" to be Qunari option in all converstions.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 8, 2020 17:14:17 GMT
I think the idea that the next game is classless is just the right one. For example, Speedy might be using haste there despite being a "rogue". Also, it would explains the lack of Dwarves, they can't use magic. That’s a hard no for me. Requiring us to have magic as an option, and therefore eliminating dwarf race option, is a terrible horrible idea from my perspective. The dwarf fandom is small but mighty. Just give us our dwarves and we are happy and content. Dwarves might all be mindlessly hugging their daddy/mommy Titans by the time DA4 release...
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 8, 2020 17:15:29 GMT
That’s a hard no for me. Requiring us to have magic as an option, and therefore eliminating dwarf race option, is a terrible horrible idea from my perspective. The dwarf fandom is small but mighty. Just give us our dwarves and we are happy and content. Dwarves might all be mindlessly hugging their daddy/mommy Titans by the time DA4 release... Oh boy I sure hope they don’t start going down that road. The whole Titan thing is intriguing, but that’s a thing that can easily go off the rails and totally ruin dwarves forever. There’s a lot of charms to the way their society is written that I’d rather they didn’t suddenly abandon. Their universal resistance to magic is one of those things that adds to that charm.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 8, 2020 17:19:14 GMT
I was guessing staff-fighter too. Simple staff + trying to hit someone with it. And given the long dust trail behind speedy on the left, I wonder if that's a class feature or something specific to that character. I think the idea that the next game is classless is just the right one. For example, Speedy might be using haste there despite being a "rogue". Also, it would explains the lack of Dwarves, they can't use magic. I think it's been hinted that classes are sticking around, though hybrid classes might appear? I expect combat to be significantly revamped at any rate. Yeah, not many dwarves in the concept art. Though as he's kneeling, she might be a dwarf in this CA. Hard to say...
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 8, 2020 17:20:33 GMT
I long for cutscene head bops with a staff/stave. Sure, murder knife is nice, but sometimes I just want to give someone a noogie with my wooden kill stick. I just want "headbutt" to be Qunari option in all converstions. Yes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 8, 2020 17:36:03 GMT
That is not very hard to do at all. Dragon Age: Origins had sexual assault in it, and supposedly the sexual abuse of city elves in particular is common, but BioWare didn't have Alistair say "actually I think rape is fine, especially when it happens to those filthy city elves", even though, given the bigoted nature of the setting, it would have "made sense" for him to have that opinion. No they just gave the PC the option to take the money to look the other way over what Vaughan did, which could be said to be endorsing sexual abuse (let's call it what was actually implied here and that is it was rape). Likewise, later on you can look the other way and get some minor benefit from letting Caladrius walk away with the elven slaves. I never did either of these things but clearly there are players that do. Surely letting those be options are far worse than just have Dorian defend slavery when that was in keeping with the context of his background? Of course it has now been revealed that he did in fact free all his slaves through the influence of "someone" in the south, so why not let him have that epiphany actually in the game if the Inquisitor objects strongly enough to his attitude ? (which actually I do not feel we were allowed to do).
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 8, 2020 17:46:01 GMT
If they were trying to make DA remotely like real history,* slavery would be practiced almost everywhere, to a greater or lesser extent. Dorian has a point that someplace like Orlais is no better, because even if you set aside serfs not really being free men and women, claiming that Fantasy Ancien Regime is on morally superior ground to Fantasy Byzantium because you've artificially extirpated slavery from the former is plainly cheating. Actually there is a codex somewhere that makes this very point. The writer, I think it is the scholar Sister Petrine, actually makes the point that Orlais thinks they have the moral high ground because they don't actually call their servants slaves but the treatment of the lower classes by the nobility is often little better than that of master and slave, particularly the attitude of the Chevaliers, who hold absolute power of those of commoner rank and can treat them as they please. Remember the story of that girl in the marketplace in DAO about how she and her brother had to flee the country after he had hit a Chevalier in defending his sister from rape.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 8, 2020 17:55:14 GMT
Ashe⁷ ladyinsanityStill working on the #DragonAge analysis, sorry. Lots of new discoveries in past 48 hours. No comms til finished. In the meantime, fun discovery: Solas's new symbol looks to be 3 wolf heads around a circle, similar look to the Fen'harel statue we've seen before. - Three wolf heads you say...?
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Post by azarhal on Sept 8, 2020 17:58:43 GMT
Dwarves might all be mindlessly hugging their daddy/mommy Titans by the time DA4 release... Oh boy I sure hope they don’t start going down that road. The whole Titan thing is intriguing, but that’s a thing that can easily go off the rails and totally ruin dwarves forever. There’s a lot of charms to the way their society is written that I’d rather they didn’t suddenly abandon. Their universal resistance to magic is one of those things that adds to that charm. Unfortunately, the events of The Descent should have ramifications and it was all about a Titan partially waking-up and being pissed he was missing his children. Also, Seven times seventy men of stone immense Rose up from the earth like sleepers waking at the dawn, Crossing the land with strides immeasurable, And in the hollows of their footprints Paradise was stamped, indelible.
It's part of a vision in the Chant of Light, a bit later it mention the Black City gates being destroyed and the Blight covering both the Fade and reality. Fun times are coming
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Post by azarhal on Sept 8, 2020 18:02:45 GMT
Ashe⁷ ladyinsanity Still working on the #DragonAge analysis, sorry. Lots of new discoveries in past 48 hours. No comms til finished. In the meantime, fun discovery: Solas's new symbol looks to be 3 wolf heads around a circle, similar look to the Fen'harel statue we've seen before. - Three wolf heads you say...? I was expecting the 3-headed monster statues from DAO. "dog""dragon" (also the head of the staff of Violation)
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 8, 2020 18:07:27 GMT
if Davrin is a Warden companion, it'd be cool if he was a Rogue. We've had maingame Warrior Warden companion (Blackwall EDIT: and Alistair. tfw you forget Alistair ) and Warden mage companion (Anders). Not including our Warden companions in the expansion Surely you haven't forgotten Sigrun, who was also Legion of the Dead, so doubly special? Also, Nathaniel, who was pretty good too. Oghran became a warrior and Velanna was another Warden mage. I know they were only companions in DAA but Anders spent most of DA2 not wanting to be a Warden, so I don't really think that counts. Blackwall wasn't even a real Warden, only a nearly one. So really we've had Alistair as a Warrior in DAO; Oghran as a Warrior, Sigrun, Nathaniel as rogues, Velanna and Anders as mages in DAA. That makes numbers pretty much even up to now, with us due a proper dedicated Warden whatever their class. I suspect Davrin is more likely going to be a Warrior though.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 8, 2020 18:10:36 GMT
If they were trying to make DA remotely like real history,* slavery would be practiced almost everywhere, to a greater or lesser extent. Dorian has a point that someplace like Orlais is no better, because even if you set aside serfs not really being free men and women, claiming that Fantasy Ancien Regime is on morally superior ground to Fantasy Byzantium because you've artificially extirpated slavery from the former is plainly cheating. Actually there is a codex somewhere that makes this very point. The writer, I think it is the scholar Sister Petrine, actually makes the point that Orlais thinks they have the moral high ground because they don't actually call their servants slaves but the treatment of the lower classes by the nobility is often little better than that of master and slave, particularly the attitude of the Chevaliers, who hold absolute power of those of commoner rank and can treat them as they please. Remember the story of that girl in the marketplace in DAO about how she and her brother had to flee the country after he had hit a Chevalier in defending his sister from rape. ...and dear Petrine is also a very example of it herself.
If the Warden is a not a City nor Dalish elf or in Dragon Age II... "When the holy Exalted March of the Dales resulted in the dissolution of the elven kingdom, leaving a great many elves homeless once again, the Divine Renata I declared that all lands loyal to the Chantry must give the elves refuge within their own walls. Considering the atrocities committed by the elves at Red Crossing, this was a great testament to the Chantry's charity. There was one condition, however--the elves were to lay aside their pagan gods and live under the rule of the Chantry.
Some of the elves refused our goodwill. They banded together to form the wandering Dalish elves, keeping their old elven ways--and their hatred of humans--alive. To this day, Dalish elves still terrorize those of us who stray too close to their camps. Most of the elves, however, saw that it was wisest to live under the protection of humans.
And so we took the elves into our cities and tried to integrate them. We invited them into our own homes and gave them jobs as servants and farmhands. Here, in Denerim, the elves even have their own quarter, governed by an elven keeper. Most have proven to be productive members of society. Still, a small segment of the elven community remains dissatisfied. These troublemakers and malcontents roam the streets causing mayhem, rebelling against authority and making a general nuisance of themselves."
--From Ferelden: Folklore and History, by Sister Petrine, Chantry scholar
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 8, 2020 18:11:13 GMT
Ashe⁷ ladyinsanity Still working on the #DragonAge analysis, sorry. Lots of new discoveries in past 48 hours. No comms til finished. In the meantime, fun discovery: Solas's new symbol looks to be 3 wolf heads around a circle, similar look to the Fen'harel statue we've seen before. I may have to get the t-shirt after all
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 8, 2020 18:15:09 GMT
Here is a higher quality (and more complete) version of the "Action Shot" concept art.
The Qunari lady reminds me of the Arishok. He wielded two big clevers and I remember people arguing about whether he was a warrior or a rogue because by then they had removed being a dual wielding warrior from the options for our PC.
Also in this enhanced image, is the shading on the elf's forehead simply meant to be shadow or is it implying vallaslin?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 8, 2020 18:18:06 GMT
There could never really be such a thing as a true classless system in DA, much like there couldn’t be in Mass Effect. You’re either a magic-wielder or not. Even if you could invest in magic on every character, you can’t acquire spell-casting abilities, just magic resistance, like a Templar. Unless you're Ryder and have an annoying talking superman implant that conveniently makes you a combat god... *rolled eyes* The inquisitor had a special magic hand. I wouldn't be surprised to see another bogus justification for getting rid of classes in DA4 because nobody cares about role-playing and replaying anymore... I'd personally hate that. Andromeda's profile system was terrible. I want to keep classes so that it feels like I'm actually playing different characters in combat.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 8, 2020 18:23:31 GMT
Why should Bioware avoid controversy? If anything, they should explore slavery and the complexities surrounding it. That would be interesting. The only problem is I don't think Bioware is capable of delivering that level of nuance and complexity anymore.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 8, 2020 18:24:06 GMT
Here is a higher quality (and more complete) version of the "Action Shot" concept art.
The Qunari lady reminds me of the Arishok. He wielded two big clevers and I remember people arguing about whether he was a warrior or a rogue because by then they had removed being a dual wielding warrior from the options for our PC.
Also in this enhanced image, is the shading on the elf's forehead simply meant to be shadow or is it implying vallaslin?
Oddly enough, the Arishok was a Rogue. And yeah, I think it's just a shadow on the elf's head. I'm sure he would have made it more obvious if it was vallaslin. But as Patrick said, this concept art was more about establishing a certain mood.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 8, 2020 18:24:45 GMT
It's part of a vision in the Chant of Light, a bit later it mention the Black City gates being destroyed and the Blight covering both the Fade and reality. Fun times are coming It should never have been in the Chant of Light since it was never anything that Andraste taught but a "vision" that Drakon conveniently had when wanting to create an empire by spreading the Chant across the world as instructed by the Maker/Andraste. So if the things in this come true, who in the hell was giving him the vision? It can't be the Maker because he doesn't interact with the world and stopped doing so after the burning of Andraste, according to the Chantry, which is why the Chantry making Drakon anointed and including his vision is a contradiction in terms to the rest of their doctrine. In any case the writers are never going to confirm the Maker's existence, so a very accurate vision of future history has to come from someone else, presumably the same one who gave Sandal his vision. Solas? Flemeth? An Old God? Take your pick.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 8, 2020 18:25:03 GMT
You know after all this speculation, we'll end up killing Solas in the opening cut scene then catching a boat to Tevinter with a lot of sheepish looking elves and yet that would probably be the least surprising thing they can do. I don't trust marketing anymore. Though could you imagine? "What will they call you when this is-" wa bam arrow to the face. mark my words: the Solas issue will be dealt with by the end of the first act. Just like the much-anticipated mage-templar was was largely dealt with in DAI before you even reach Skyhold.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 8, 2020 18:27:38 GMT
and yet that would probably be the least surprising thing they can do. I don't trust marketing anymore. Though could you imagine? "What will they call you when this is-" wa bam arrow to the face. mark my words: the Solas issue will be dealt with by the end of the first act. Just like the much-anticipated mage-templar was was largely dealt with in DAI before you even reach Skyhold. Given how DAI turned out this wasn't a bad thing though and really not sure itwouldn't be a bad thing here.
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