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Post by Solas on Sept 13, 2020 17:33:02 GMT
thinkin about Skeleton and on if the he's Audric stuff, the dual aspects of Curiosity/Anger, etc and got to thinking for whatever reason of the Rage demon that possessed Scout Grandin in JoH. It expresses a wish to protect the Inquisition's people and fight its enemies, and you can choose to kill the demon or allow the entity to serve. Rage demons are usually simpler and less devious than other kinds of demons, and this was obviously a different entity to Audric's Anger, but the Scout Grandin one was a bit more complex and interesting than the ones we usually encounter. We've explored stuff like Compassion/Despair, Wisdom/Pride and Justice/Vengeance. Curiosity/Anger would be pretty interesting too. I remember David Gaider talking about how a Rage demon that focuses on Retribution can be especially powerful due to how complex Retribution is compared to simple anger. Maybe the rage demon the possessed the scout focused on Retribution? This seems likely!! Grandin was very angry that the Hakkonites had killed his dear friend and then ambushed and killed the patrol he was in, that he let himself be possessed willingly and wanted to kill a bunch of Hakkonites in response. seems Retribution-y to me for sure
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 13, 2020 17:43:51 GMT
We've explored stuff like Compassion/Despair, Wisdom/Pride and Justice/Vengeance. Curiosity/Anger would be pretty interesting too. I find it odd how they have paired these aspects up though. Justice/Vengeance I can understand; it is easy enough for justice to tip over into vengeance, although I still have my doubts about the way they dealt with this with Anders because the majority of the time he isn't vengeance, just a very intense focus on justice. However, compassion and despair don't really go together; that should be hope and despair and presumably there is much more despair in Thedas than hope which is why the latter spirits have not yet been encountered. Wisdom and pride are not really opposites as such. A person can be unduly prideful about how much they know and expect everyone to listen to them but why would making a Wisdom spirit act against its nature turn it into a pride demon? Why not a demon of ignorance or foolishness, particularly since that is what the mages were guilty of in harnessing it in that way? As for curiosity and anger, that is something I do not understand at all. It is like pairing Purpose with Desire. The opposite of curiosity and purpose is surely Sloth? The opposite of rage is calm. So really it is impossible to know what a particular spirit will become or what a demon once was because there is no pattern to it. If it is simply a case of the attribute being felt too strongly, so purpose becomes desire if you do this, how do you explain curiosity becoming rage? I think part of the difficulty here is that the Chantry’s classifications for spirits/demons are too broad, so they don’t specify exactly what flavor of rage is being referred to — or what flavor of curiosity. There are aspects of curiosity that are almost protective: “if I learn enough facts about the world around me, I’ll be able to predict it and survive”. If the world does not behave as predicted, those lists of facts aren’t doing their job. It’s curiosity being frustrated, just as desire is purpose being pointed toward something it can’t have. For some curiosity spirits, maybe their demon expression would be fear: “if I can’t predict the world, I am in danger.” But for others, that same sentiment could be expressed as rage: “if I can’t predict the world, the world is wrong and I need to change it.” Or it could even go the other way: “I need to fix the world, but first I need data.” Admittedly, architectural data is not super useful for addressing what this spirit wants to change. But that’s how it works, a lot of the times. People will bury themselves in research that’s only vaguely related to their problem, because usually the problem is big and scary and out of their control. A curiosity/rage spirit is basically a spirit who sees “accept the things you cannot change” cross-stitched on a pillow, yells “No!”, and chucks it through the window. Sometimes, that response is necessary, and the spirit’s curiosity unearths some creative solution to the problem. But other times, that curiosity just keeps the rage alive, blocking people from achieving closure on stuff that truly was unpreventable.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 13, 2020 17:58:13 GMT
I don't think that the Chantry is the best authority when it comes to information about spirits. I am curious if the Mortalitasi are related to Falon'Din in some fashion. Solas makes it clear he doesn't hold him in high regard and he finds the Necromancer's practices distasteful. I wonder if they remind too much about the vast undead armies Falon used. We know that the sect originates from a Tevinter mage, and the Tevinter Imperium is (ironically) a human version of the Evanuris' empire. I wouldn't be surprised if that human mage found secret texts about an Elven Necromancer God King and his vast undead armies, then he sets himself up in a relatively safe place, establishing the belief of spirits being displaced and slowly building up his own undead army to conquer Thedas, or he is preparing them for the inevitable return of his master. If Mythal can cheat death and escape from what the Evanuris did to her, would it be such a surprise that one of the Evanuris decided to go undercover as a human mage, body hopping for centuries in preparation for his revenge against the Dread Wolf or Mythal.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 13, 2020 21:09:09 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if that human mage found secret texts about an Elven Necromancer God King and his vast undead armies, then he sets himself up in a relatively safe place, establishing the belief of spirits being displaced and slowly building up his own undead army to conquer Thedas, or he is preparing them for the inevitable return of his master. If Mythal can cheat death and escape from what the Evanuris did to her, would it be such a surprise that one of the Evanuris decided to go undercover as a human mage, body hopping for centuries in preparation for his revenge against the Dread Wolf or Mythal.
This idea had occurred to me too. I felt that the connection made between Lusacan and Falon'Din in them having the same constellation might also be significant, particularly as we are yet to encounter the Watchman of the Night. Also, the statue in the Emerald Graves that is said to be the Watcher is I seem to recall also meant to be linked to Falon'Din. So when Solas tears down the Veil and floods the world with Fade magic, what do you suppose is going to happen with all those bodies in the Grand Necropolis? Someone is definitely going to have a gigantic army of the dead at their disposal.
Another thought has occurred to me, if Solas dropping the Veil kills millions of people, then Falon'Din is going to have an even bigger army of the dead. Do you suppose Solas has thought of that?
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 13, 2020 21:46:22 GMT
I am veeeeerry convinced that the leggy lady on the left is Andarateia from Eight Little Talons, and that she'll be a romance option for male characters. A bronze-skinned, golden-eyed elven assassin who is a relatively good person, who wears fancy, revealing gowns when she's not in rogue leathers? She's definitely interested in men, and maybe there'd be that long sought-after female elf romance for hetero male elf players.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 13, 2020 21:48:46 GMT
I am veeeeerry convinced that the leggy lady on the left is Andarateia from Eight Little Crows, and that she'll be a romance option for male characters. A bronze-skinned, golden-eyed elven assassin who is a relatively good person, who wears fancy, revealing gowns when she's not in rogue leathers? She's definitely interested in men, and maybe there'd be that long sought-after female elf romance for hetero male elf players. I approve this theory.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 21:49:11 GMT
I am veeeeerry convinced that the leggy lady on the left is Andarateia from Eight Little Crows, and that she'll be a romance option for male characters. A bronze-skinned, golden-eyed elven assassin who is a relatively good person, who wears fancy, revealing gowns when she's not in rogue leathers? She's definitely interested in men, and maybe there'd be that long sought-after female elf romance for hetero male elf players. She made Francesca sad. She must die!
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Post by ellehaym on Sept 13, 2020 21:56:07 GMT
Solas says he "had plans" for the Evnuris when he removes the Veil. So it looks like he might have contingencies to keep them locked up ... but will they actually work?
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Post by Reznore on Sept 13, 2020 21:56:17 GMT
She made Francesca sad. She must die! Hell no ! Have you seen her hairdo and dress !? I want a party who looks fabulous.
And if on top of it she's CrowWoman in leather by night. How cool is that!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 21:59:04 GMT
She made Francesca sad. She must die! Hell no ! Have you seen her hairdo and dress !? I want a party who looks fabulous.
And if on top of it she's CrowWoman in leather by night. How cool is that!
I have seen her, yes. None of that interests me. From my point of view, she is a very ugly woman.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 13, 2020 22:00:00 GMT
She made Francesca sad. She must die! Hell no ! Have you seen her hairdo and dress !? I want a party who looks fabulous.
And if on top of it she's CrowWoman in leather by night. How cool is that!
wait we know what Teia looks like?
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Post by Reznore on Sept 13, 2020 22:02:30 GMT
wait we know what Teia looks like? Not really, it's speculation times.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 13, 2020 22:03:29 GMT
wait we know what Teia looks like? Not really, it's speculation times. oh I agree then. Her description in TVN *smolder*
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 22:04:41 GMT
We see her and her partner in Dragon Age: Deception.
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Post by Solas on Sept 13, 2020 22:06:43 GMT
I like their ship tho
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 13, 2020 22:23:09 GMT
I like their ship tho she's so 😍 me too a little but STILL
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 13, 2020 22:24:14 GMT
She made Francesca sad. She must die! Are man-eating plants a thing? If so, then I propose a five-meter Venus Flytrap Mantrap. And if on top of it she's CrowWoman in leather by night. Now that I think of it, there was this old crow killing 'vint assholes (not that I would disagree with that). She was also said to smile quite often. Do Crows do psycho smile by default? Anyway, the only good Crow is either dead or gone AWOL.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 22:26:42 GMT
She made Francesca sad. She must die! Are man-eating plants a thing? If so, then I propose a five-meter Venus Flytrap Mantrap. They are indeed. Just look at the Qunari next to Vaea and Autumn.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 13, 2020 23:07:08 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if that human mage found secret texts about an Elven Necromancer God King and his vast undead armies, then he sets himself up in a relatively safe place, establishing the belief of spirits being displaced and slowly building up his own undead army to conquer Thedas, or he is preparing them for the inevitable return of his master. If Mythal can cheat death and escape from what the Evanuris did to her, would it be such a surprise that one of the Evanuris decided to go undercover as a human mage, body hopping for centuries in preparation for his revenge against the Dread Wolf or Mythal. This idea had occurred to me too. I felt that the connection made between Lusacan and Falon'Din in them having the same constellation might also be significant, particularly as we are yet to encounter the Watchman of the Night. Also, the statue in the Emerald Graves that is said to be the Watcher is I seem to recall also meant to be linked to Falon'Din. So when Solas tears down the Veil and floods the world with Fade magic, what do you suppose is going to happen with all those bodies in the Grand Necropolis? Someone is definitely going to have a gigantic army of the dead at their disposal.
Another thought has occurred to me, if Solas dropping the Veil kills millions of people, then Falon'Din is going to have an even bigger army of the dead. Do you suppose Solas has thought of that? The dead bodies in the Necropolis all have spirits in them already and with the amount of spirits, magic and death/dead, the Veil is probably very thin in the Grand Necropolis and the surrounding area already. So someone already has a gigantic army of the dead at their disposal (it's one of the reason the Mortalitasis are feared).
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 14, 2020 0:06:27 GMT
We've explored stuff like Compassion/Despair, Wisdom/Pride and Justice/Vengeance. Curiosity/Anger would be pretty interesting too. I find it odd how they have paired these aspects up though. Justice/Vengeance I can understand; it is easy enough for justice to tip over into vengeance, although I still have my doubts about the way they dealt with this with Anders because the majority of the time he isn't vengeance, just a very intense focus on justice. However, compassion and despair don't really go together; that should be hope and despair and presumably there is much more despair in Thedas than hope which is why the latter spirits have not yet been encountered. Wisdom and pride are not really opposites as such. A person can be unduly prideful about how much they know and expect everyone to listen to them but why would making a Wisdom spirit act against its nature turn it into a pride demon? Why not a demon of ignorance or foolishness, particularly since that is what the mages were guilty of in harnessing it in that way? As for curiosity and anger, that is something I do not understand at all. It is like pairing Purpose with Desire. The opposite of curiosity and purpose is surely Sloth? The opposite of rage is calm. So really it is impossible to know what a particular spirit will become or what a demon once was because there is no pattern to it. If it is simply a case of the attribute being felt too strongly, so purpose becomes desire if you do this, how do you explain curiosity becoming rage? According to the despair demon codex hope and despair do go together. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Despair_DemonIt also indicates that Valor and Justice as the antithesis of Sloth demons(which feed on doubt and apathy). It's a templar order source, so ymmv. But it makes sense. Of course Justice also turns to Vengeance. And the Faith wiki entry had a link to this Gaider post saying Faith becomes Pride: web.archive.org/web/20151105065606/http://forum.bioware.com/topic/476525-cole-asunder-what-kind-of-spoiler/?bioware=1So if more then one spirit can become the same type of demon, and a spirit can become more then one type demon. Then I'd say it's about how the spirit gets corrupted, what they end up being. Some changes are presumably easier/more common than others. Eg. Justice was driven too far into Vengeance by Anders anger or whatever, what if he'd stayed in the rotting corpse and sunk into the apathy of Sloth instead? As for Audric, that 'Higher Dead' had memories of living Audric, he remembered being attacked and murdered, that made him angry. Not enough that it overwhelmed his desire to learn about the world in the end - something he also remembered. I'm not sure if he is meant to be a simple case of a curiosity spirit that was almost corrupted into anger/rage due human memories. Myrna said some of her colleagues think the higher dead really have their mortal souls, and others think they are caught between two spirits. She also said an entity as complete as him is rare (by that i guess she means a possessed dead who can think clearly and remember) so I'm not sure that we can take him as a typical example of a curiosity spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 2:22:52 GMT
I am veeeeerry convinced that the leggy lady on the left is Andarateia from Eight Little Talons, and that she'll be a romance option for male characters. A bronze-skinned, golden-eyed elven assassin who is a relatively good person, who wears fancy, revealing gowns when she's not in rogue leathers? She's definitely interested in men, and maybe there'd be that long sought-after female elf romance for hetero male elf players. I’m intrigued...... Also, let’s say that she is who you say that she is. And if Harding is the crossbow wielding gal. Well that would mean that sexy Qun lady would be more likely to be open to some lady loving. I’m sure that this would be a terrible outcome for you.......
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Post by Tanyara on Sept 14, 2020 7:31:05 GMT
Until killed. They are like ageless immortal kinda like the ancient elves were. Or like cancer cells. Darkspawn get really interesting if you look at them as a disease, metaphorically.
Information that you really don't need to know: Red lyrium growths really is like cancer, there actually is a real life equivalent to this on dogs called TVT (advice from the BSNveterinarian: for love of god don't google it). Usually cancer is your OWN cells going bananas, but in TVT the cancer cells area actually someone elses(with their DNA) that just travels between hosts. Imagine: 1. the horror of finding you have cancer (or red lyrium growths) and then 2. it is someone elses cancer growing on you. Gross
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Post by smilesja on Sept 14, 2020 7:35:02 GMT
I am veeeeerry convinced that the leggy lady on the left is Andarateia from Eight Little Talons, and that she'll be a romance option for male characters.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 14, 2020 7:36:18 GMT
Or like cancer cells. Darkspawn get really interesting if you look at them as a disease, metaphorically.
Information that you really don't need to know: Red lyrium growths really is like cancer, there actually is a real life equivalent to this on dogs called TVT (advice from the BSNveterinarian: for love of god don't google it). Usually cancer is your OWN cells going bananas, but in TVT the cancer cells area actually someone elses(with their DNA) that just travels between hosts. Imagine: 1. the horror of finding you have cancer (or red lyrium growths) and then 2. it is someone elses cancer growing on you. Gross And there goes my dinner.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 14, 2020 9:59:05 GMT
Are man-eating plants a thing? If so, then I propose a five-meter Venus Flytrap Mantrap. They are indeed. Just look at the Qunari next to Vaea and Autumn. damn... I'm both terrified and intrigued
is it bad of me to imagine that's how I always thought the Keeper specialization from Awakening should look? I mean, I know Francesca has no elven blood and that her magic is unique...but it looks awesome and terrifying at the same time
now I really hope they bring back unique specializations for the companions (I mean, imagine someone with these abilities)
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