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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 20, 2020 21:52:46 GMT
so no water magic confirmed??? This Tekehu's booty is let me be a Sailor Mercury mage bioghur!! why just Sailor Mercury though? Sailor Neptune could command the seas (though Sailor Saturn for life )
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 20, 2020 22:03:29 GMT
Sorry, but it's just way too late here for me to respond to this kind of post and do it anything resembling justice. Which I want to, because you've obviously put a lot of thought and effort into it. Thank you for that, by the way. I'll try to make time to respond by PM at some point tomorrow, if that's okay.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 20, 2020 22:18:11 GMT
You may have to enlighten me as to why you find my statement arrogant. I'm not trying to claim that people "don't get" nuance. Even though I'm inclined to passive-aggressively claim that some one the fandom don't seem to "get" how harmful a minor amount of shifted blame can be to marginalised groups, but whatever. Have you felt that maybe I have considered you as someone who 'doesn't get' nuance? ...I think most people here are capable of grasping it, which is why we can have this nuanced discussion btw - but I think I'm warranted to think that *on particular issue* some people have a stance I don't agree with, even if their intentions are noble (preventing harmful behaviors that shifts blame on marginalized groups). Also... while there is discussion to be had about privilege and existence of ideological bubbles on continent of Europe as a whole, Europe itself is not a monolith where everyone has the same history or is on the same level in terms of wealth, or access to things, or mentality, etc. I'm from the first generation in my country that can consider itself free and independent, for example. Lot of BS before that and still quite a bit of BS at places. And as a member of few political minorities, and living in a very conservative country, I too know a little bit about being marginalized and having eagerly shifted blame for tiniest transgressions, or even wholly invented sins. It hurts especially when it's done by people who - through events in history that should make them more sensitive to plight of others - *should know better*. Yet I still don't think the solution to it is writing stories where victims are blameless and perpetrators as wholly evil (at all times and in all situations), because I think it's counter-productive to the effort of understanding hurt and blame, and how minorities are wholly human like the rest and are allowed to make mistakes, or be even wrong at places, and yet still not deserve AT ALL the blame-shifting or severity of the 'punishment' and definitely not downright bigotry and oppression.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2020 22:25:20 GMT
colfoley Hanako Ikezawa So the locations we've listed so far are (in rough proximity to each other): - Tevinter Locations: Minrathous, Ambassadoria, Vyrantium, Ventus/Quarinus, Silent Plains
- Qunari Locations: Seheron, Qunadar, Deep Jungle Pyramids
- Anderfells: Weishaupt, Wandering Hills, support supply city.
- Dwarf Specific: Kal Sharok and Deep Roads section
- Antiva City, Antiva
- Fade: Crossroads or 100% Fade scape
- Nevarra City, Nevarra
- Dairsmuid, Rivain (as a possibility)
16 areas but some of them I'm not so certain they will be resource intensive nor whether they get their own map. Then we need our base of operations as well. The base of operations I doubt will be too resource intensive. I loved Skyhold, ut with what we've heard so far about not having power and all that I imagine more something on the size of the Tempest in MEA or maybe the Normandy SR1. Cutting out the Antiva, Nevarra, and Rivain areas leaves us with 13 with a couple possibly being smaller sized.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 20, 2020 22:25:41 GMT
Sorry, but it's just way too late here for me to respond to this kind of post and do it anything resembling justice. Which I want to, because you've obviously put a lot of thought and effort into it. Thank you for that, by the way. I'll try to make time to respond by PM at some point tomorrow, if that's okay. It's fine, don't feel obliged to respond and thank you for allowing me to take mind off something else and use it on a bit more involved discussion about stuff from one of my favorite game franchises, haha
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Post by phoray on Sept 20, 2020 22:28:39 GMT
Cutting out the Antiva, Nevarra, and Rivain areas leaves us with 13 with a couple possibly being smaller sized. Why do we have to cut though? DAI had 11 major areas with a large number of other smaller maps to supplement.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2020 22:32:24 GMT
I would stress that any areas we do not get in the main game could always be added later on in expansions.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2020 22:33:49 GMT
Cutting out the Antiva, Nevarra, and Rivain areas leaves us with 13 with a couple possibly being smaller sized. Why do we have to cut though? DAI had 11 major areas with a large number of other smaller maps to supplement. And people still complain about them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2020 22:34:37 GMT
I would stress that any areas we do not get in the main game could always be added later on in expansions. There's this too. Either expansions or...God forbid, the game is a live service that will update over years.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2020 22:36:25 GMT
I would stress that any areas we do not get in the main game could always be added later on in expansions. There's this too. Either expansions or...God forbid, the game is a live service that will update over years. What's the difference?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2020 22:43:01 GMT
A live service game that hasn't seen a story update in a year and a half.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2020 22:54:28 GMT
A live service game that hasn't seen a story update in a year and a half. Yes, Anthem has so far failed to live up to its road map mandates and release any other major story expansions since its launch, but Hanako's post was talking about a theoretical sucessful application of such things. Which could have very little difference from what we have got in the past in terms of DLC and expansions, we could easily get more expansions and maps along the lines of JOH moving forward in a LS model for DA 4...in fact I find that one of the most likely outcomes.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2020 22:58:49 GMT
Yes, Anthem has so far failed to live up to its road map mandates and release any other major story expansions since its launch, but Hanako's post was talking about a theoretical sucessful application of such things. Which could have very little difference from what we have got in the past in terms of DLC and expansions, we could easily get more expansions and maps along the lines of JOH moving forward in a LS model for DA 4...in fact I find that one of the most likely outcomes. While Bioware may like to call all their games the past 15 years or so to be "live service", the one that did get the branding ... well, it's not so live, is it? So the one official example of a Bioware live service isn't inspiring much confidence. Theoretically, if it can be a perfect launch to a perfect game, then sure. But reality is far from perfect, usually. To put it another way, I don't believe, nor operate, under best case scenarios.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2020 23:09:54 GMT
Yes, Anthem has so far failed to live up to its road map mandates and release any other major story expansions since its launch, but Hanako's post was talking about a theoretical sucessful application of such things. Which could have very little difference from what we have got in the past in terms of DLC and expansions, we could easily get more expansions and maps along the lines of JOH moving forward in a LS model for DA 4...in fact I find that one of the most likely outcomes. While Bioware may like to call all their games the past 15 years or so to be "live service", the one that did get the branding ... well, it's not so live, is it? So the one official example of a Bioware live service isn't inspiring much confidence. Theoretically, if it can be a perfect launch to a perfect game, then sure. But reality is far from perfect, usually. To put it another way, I don't believe, nor operate, under best case scenarios. Meh I try and go for both realism and optomism when dealing with such things. Reasons to be optomistic: 1. BioWare has already 'failed' once at making a live service game with Anthem means they should be able to learn what went wrong and do better next time. 2. BioWare already has some experience making games with live service elements with them in it. Pretty much everything with a DLC up to even TOR which is essentially a full on Live Service game without the title applied...constantly releasing updates...etc. 3. Dragon Age is an established world with three games in it already plus a lot of supplementary material which means a lot of the 'leg work' has been done that they hadn't with Anthem. 4. Maybe more of a shot in the dark but I think partially for the above reason hopefully they will avoid the issue which has plagued them for the last three games: Objective creep. Hopefully they have spent all this time deciding exactly what DA 4 is going to be and exactly how they will do their LS...though I hope they don't release any fraking road maps...seems those promises are very hard to keep. Reasons to be pessimistic: 1. Anthem did fail to deliver on its road map and LS potential. 2. While I do not have hard numbers per se on this I get the feeling that BioWare is still small, so they may not have the resources to execute a LS game road map long term.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 20, 2020 23:10:17 GMT
I do hope we get a better spell repertoire. Tevinter is supposed to be the most advanced nation in Thedas when it comes to magic, so hopefully, we get more spells that can be used out of combat as well. A slight flick of the wrist here to compell someone. Discuss magical theory with a Senior Enchanter of a Tevinter Circle of Magi. Interrogate spirits/demons on what they know of the Dread Wolf. Help build our own house using magic or repair one in need of restoration? I eagerly await.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2020 23:12:14 GMT
I do hope we get a better spell repertoire. Tevinter is supposed to be the most advanced nation in Thedas when it comes to magic, so hopefully, we get more spells that can be used out of combat as well. A slight flick of the wrist here to compell someone. Discuss magical theory with a Senior Enchanter of a Tevinter Circle of Magi. Interrogate spirits/demons on what they know of the Dread Wolf. Help build our own house using magic or repair one in need of restoration? I eagerly await. "These aren't the nugs you're looking for?"
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2020 23:13:09 GMT
Meh I try and go for both realism and optomism when dealing with such things. I'd rather operate at a scenario, where being proven wrong is good and if proven right, it's exactly what I expected, so I am not let down. I am a proud owner of a full AMD PC, after all. And don't forget, AMD doesn't stand for Advanced Micro Devices. It stands for Another Massive Disappointment.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2020 23:15:43 GMT
Meh I try and go for both realism and optomism when dealing with such things. I'd rather operate at a scenario, where being proven wrong is good and if proven right, it's exactly what I expected, so I am not let down. I am a proud owner of a full AMD PC, after all. And don't forget, AMD doesn't stand for Advanced Micro Devices. It stands for Another Massive Disappointment. I guess its just in my nature to get overly hyped for things rather then under hyped...or maybe even vice versa ... and that way I also have to almost go looking for flaws to temper my potential enthusiasm.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2020 23:56:12 GMT
There's this too. Either expansions or...God forbid, the game is a live service that will update over years. What's the difference? Expansions are just a couple things. Live service means to get DA5, 6, etc. you need to get DA4. Also means years more until the next game if any.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 21, 2020 0:17:10 GMT
You know, what I try to do when I leave a thread in the middle of a discussion I no longer like to be a part of is promise to at least read the next response made by the other party, even if I won't respond to it. To make it clear that I'm not just cowardly and self-importantly trying to get the last word by running off immediately after making a post. I'm not sure if your second sentence is aimed at me, but I do tend to read all posts that tag or quote me, even if I don't respond. Have you felt that maybe I have considered you as someone who 'doesn't get' nuance?
Yes, I did to be honest. It might have something to do with some sort of trench mentality going on in topics at times and as, to my impression, I was among the few posters "on the other side" of the argument. I'm not intending to devalue your experiences. But I cannot help but think Bioware is overcompensating things a bit at times. I would stress that any areas we do not get in the main game could always be added later on in expansions. There's this too. Either expansions or...God forbid, the game is a live service that will update over years. "Fear-of-missing-out" is something I already have sufficiently without DA also going for it, thanks.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2020 0:17:20 GMT
What's the difference? Expansions are just a couple things. Live service means to get DA5, 6, etc. you need to get DA4. Also means years more until the next game if any. Before I answer your post in depth I wanna make sure I know where we are in the argument: By 'to get' do you mean physically? IE you think in Live Service we have to buy DA4 to get the next games. Or do you mean 'to get' as in metaphorically...IE you have to play the games to understand the plot?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 21, 2020 1:33:10 GMT
Expansions are just a couple things. Live service means to get DA5, 6, etc. you need to get DA4. Also means years more until the next game if any. Before I answer your post in depth I wanna make sure I know where we are in the argument: By 'to get' do you mean physically? IE you think in Live Service we have to buy DA4 to get the next games. Or do you mean 'to get' as in metaphorically...IE you have to play the games to understand the plot? I mean physically. For example, like how Halo Infinite is going to be the last Halo game for a decade because they will keep adding story content to it. Or to use a Bioware example SWTOR where each expansion requires the base game. Which, if this game is a giant slap to the face like it is for me, is not something I want.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 21, 2020 2:25:02 GMT
I'm not sure if your second sentence is aimed at me, but I do tend to read all posts that tag or quote me, even if I don't respond. Then that would be a good idea to mention when you're pulling the disappearing act, to avoid the impression of doing the ever-classy "here you go, I'm done now, don't even bother replying, I'm not even gonna be here to read it lol", which wouldn't seem like the first time. As it is I have no idea if there's any point to responding to your last post, or if you were just trying to bait me into discussing fucking rape politics with the empty air on a Bioware fan thread for no reason. So sorry if I've impugned your character by accusing you of something you wouldn't and haven't done before. I'm with you on the subject of live-service and all such nonsense, if that helps at all.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 21, 2020 3:00:41 GMT
There's this too. Either expansions or...God forbid, the game is a live service that will update over years. What's the difference?
I guess a distinction would be an example of another typical live service game to compare, like, say, Destiny. That would be the worst case scenario for something like Dragon Age. Live service games, by their very nature, promote a hamster wheel approach to keeping players engaged. Drip feed content over time rather than front-loading a whole lot of it straight away, like our normal singleplayer campaigns we're used to with Bio games. This is why I always harbor a bit of concern whenever that phrase pops up, because "live service" this day and age, does not mean anything like the old singleplayer + DLC model we've gotten in the past.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2020 3:22:43 GMT
Before I answer your post in depth I wanna make sure I know where we are in the argument: By 'to get' do you mean physically? IE you think in Live Service we have to buy DA4 to get the next games. Or do you mean 'to get' as in metaphorically...IE you have to play the games to understand the plot? I mean physically. For example, like how Halo Infinite is going to be the last Halo game for a decade because they will keep adding story content to it. Or to use a Bioware example SWTOR where each expansion requires the base game. Which, if this game is a giant slap to the face like it is for me, is not something I want. Ah in that case: 1. In general I support more content for these games as long as they continue to maintain quality. 2. Now in theory the main benefit of this sort of thing is to make it easier to wait in between these massive games. I have heard that DLC takes less people/ resources to develop then a full game so they can move on a team to DA 5 and we get more content on 4 in the meantime. Of course this whole model might require a little adjustment in the chain and it might not be for every franchise but at this point we'll just have to see... 3. If we do not get a DA 5 this could drip feed us content over an extended period of time and give us a chance to wrap up Dragon Age in future years within this game's lifespan. What's the difference?
I guess a distinction would be an example of another typical live service game to compare, like, say, Destiny. That would be the worst case scenario for something like Dragon Age.
I've never played Destiny before so I am not aware of the specific live service elements of it, nor am I aware of the quality of its expansions... But in general from what I am aware of that Destiny does do the pretty typical live service thin of story expansions and content expansions over 'seasons', which include brand new stories for a player to play and enjoy, new missions/ quests, new adventures...new challenges. And I don't view that as a worst case scenario, in fact nothing could make me happier.
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