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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 4, 2024 12:13:31 GMT
I've also been watching Emmrich's personal quest. Has anyone finished this yet? Cause I think it is another case of something totally at variance with the lore being shoehorned in. I am speaking, of course, of Emmrich becoming a lich. So the Mourn Watch have altered from a group of dedicated guardians of the Grand Necropolis and experts in the funeral rites to create the mummified bodies that live there to a group where the ultimate aim is to become an immortal undead. Why were we never told this before? I thought it a stretch that they established their alternative burial rites under the noses of the Chantry but this? Are they trying to tell us that no one, absolutely no one ever suspected them? That the Templars didn't sense something weird going on even if they continued to walk around with the glamour hiding their true appearance? Yet when Emmrich presents himself to the team, they are all really chilled about it. It's not a problem. Really! Couldn't they have just one person go "I'm out of here" or at least "Just stay way from me, okay".
Presumably this is what they meant when people asked can you sleep with a skeleton (meaning Manfred) and they said not quite, wait and see. So, yes, you can continue on the romance with this weird skeleton undead guy who sleeps in a coffin. Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
However, the lore implications are just enormous and, once again, another nail in the coffin of the Maker. Clearly, they threw the whole "we're never going to reveal whether he exists on not" into the trash along with the rest of the lore. Non evil liches and tame demons do not belong in Thedas. This is not morally grey, it is stupid.
This is not a soft reboot. This is a whole new setting using old names and places. No wonder they wanted to dump the Keep. Why yes I have completed Emmrich's personal quest! necrophiliac rights! But the whole setting has been completely defanged from... well, everything, it seems. And not just defanged, a complete reset would be a more fitting word.
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Post by parsival on Nov 4, 2024 12:16:06 GMT
I think the voice actor for Neve was directed to portray someone cynical and world-weary - a typical gumshoe. Most of the time, I think she pulled it off. Sometimes though, she just comes across as bored.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 4, 2024 12:22:02 GMT
Also I'm calling bullshit on the whole '' our companions are proud and open pansexuals and will have their own wants and needs and whatever whatever '' Nothing how sexuality is handled is much different from DA2. I haven't heard or seen much of anything about this supposed non-playersexuality outside of Neve and Lucanis getting together, and Taash and Harding getting together. Also who is surprised that neither of these companion relationship is a male x male. It's very modern liberal game development: we love the trans and the lesbians, but none of us want to write gay male relationships unless it's a completely irrelevant side quest where one or both of them die. NEVERMIND, I was wrong on that. Granted though, I'm sure I have missed tons of banter and at this point I'm tired of listening through quest dialogue. So maybe I'm the wrong person to make this argument lol.
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Post by Reznore on Nov 4, 2024 12:22:11 GMT
I think the voice actor for Neve was directed to portray someone cynical and world-weary - a typical gumshoe. Most of the time, I think she pulled it off. Sometimes though, she just comes across as bored. Can you blame her?
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Post by andorvex on Nov 4, 2024 12:32:51 GMT
I think most companions I saw grew on me quite a bit. Even Bellara which I think is still very bad at least had a good moment of character background (even if the execution leaves a lot to be desired).
But I hate what they Did to Harding. It's like they cast a spell on her to make her a child. Harding had more personality in the short talks you had with her in inquisition than in all of the conversations I've seen of her here.
And she was kinda to the point no nonsense kind of girl with a bit of wit. Now she is just a quirky princess who talks like a child.
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 4, 2024 12:36:14 GMT
Couple that with rumors that BioWare will not be making DLC tells me that this game is underwhelming from a sales perspective and it will be forgotten like Andromeda. That begs the question: what will happen with BioWare in a year? I would not rule out a patched in-game store at some point, like Anthem had, in order to bring in some extra cash. Though I have a feeling that the worse the game does sale-wise and the more Bioware desperately needs it to do better, the less likely they will implement it due to the inevitable backlash. As for what will happen to Bioware, I presume downsizing is inevitable. A next Mass Effect will happen, but there will be less people working on it.
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Nov 4, 2024 12:37:26 GMT
I think most companions I saw grew one quite a bit. Even Bellara which I think is still very bad at least had a good moment of character background (even if the execution leaves a lot to be desired). But I hate what they Did to Harding. It's like they cast a spell on her to make her a child. Harding had more personality in the short talks you had with her in inquisition than in all of the conversations I've seen of her here. And she was kinda to the point no nonsense kind of girl with a bit of wit. Now she is just a quirky princess who talks like a child. I've seen some Harding moments in the Nuhre videos. Sigrun was soooooo much better, and actual adult, cool tatooed female rogue dwarf belonging to not one but two Orders of doomed men and women fighting Darkspawn 'till death, that still had comic relief moments despite the dead seriousness. Why can't get get stuff like that anymore?!?
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 4, 2024 12:38:43 GMT
Davrin is hot though. Probably my favorite companion and even his writing is not the best. It does its job though, and the VA sells it. I am also liking the character, and his VA is pretty good and reminds me of Jacob from Mass Effect. Is it the same VA?
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Post by Reznore on Nov 4, 2024 12:40:16 GMT
Davrin is hot though. Probably my favorite companion and even his writing is not the best. It does its job though, and the VA sells it. I am also liking the character, and his VA is pretty good and reminds me of Jacob from Mass Effect. Is it the same VA? Nope it's the Standing in the ashes of the dead guy, Javrik? Maybe . can't remember ME 3. But I liked that ruthless alien.
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Nov 4, 2024 12:40:56 GMT
Also I'm calling bullshit on the whole '' our companions are proud and open pansexuals and will have their own wants and needs and whatever whatever '' Nothing how sexuality is handled is much different from DA2. I haven't heard or seen much of anything about this supposed non-playersexuality outside of Neve and Lucanis getting together, and Taash and Harding getting together. Also who is surprised that neither of these companion relationship is a male x male. It's very modern liberal game development: we love the trans and the lesbians, but none of us want to write gay male relationships unless it's a completely irrelevant side quest where one or both of them die. Granted though, I'm sure I have missed tons of banter and at this point I'm tired of listening through quest dialogue. So maybe I'm the wrong person to make this argument lol. Honestly I've seen way better lgbt characters in non-politically correct works than these so called "woke" and "liberal" ones. Namely ASOIAF, Starz Spartacus... among others.
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Post by journey95 on Nov 4, 2024 12:43:46 GMT
Also I'm calling bullshit on the whole '' our companions are proud and open pansexuals and will have their own wants and needs and whatever whatever '' Nothing how sexuality is handled is much different from DA2. I haven't heard or seen much of anything about this supposed non-playersexuality outside of Neve and Lucanis getting together, and Taash and Harding getting together. Also who is surprised that neither of these companion relationship is a male x male. It's very modern liberal game development: we love the trans and the lesbians, but none of us want to write gay male relationships unless it's a completely irrelevant side quest where one or both of them die. Granted though, I'm sure I have missed tons of banter and at this point I'm tired of listening through quest dialogue. So maybe I'm the wrong person to make this argument lol. Honestly thats a good thing, if everyone was fucking everyone it would have been forced. The companions are player sexual for the most part, not pan sexual. I also appreciate that they aren't constantly horny like everyone in BG3
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 4, 2024 12:53:22 GMT
I think most companions I saw grew on me quite a bit. Even Bellara which I think is still very bad at least had a good moment of character background (even if the execution leaves a lot to be desired). But I hate what they Did to Harding. It's like they cast a spell on her to make her a child. Harding had more personality in the short talks you had with her in inquisition than in all of the conversations I've seen of her here. And she was kinda to the point no nonsense kind of girl with a bit of wit. Now she is just a quirky princess who talks like a child.Yep. You nailed it. There was something off from the get go, about her dialogue discussion with Neve in the Ritual quest. Couldn't quite pin it down. Same feeling in the Lighthouse.
Thanks for pointing this bizarre Bio decision to lower Harding's IQ.... either that or the writer is dumb.... worse... Bio management (ie: Busche) approved Harding's dialogues !!
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 4, 2024 12:57:17 GMT
Also I'm calling bullshit on the whole '' our companions are proud and open pansexuals and will have their own wants and needs and whatever whatever '' Nothing how sexuality is handled is much different from DA2. I haven't heard or seen much of anything about this supposed non-playersexuality outside of Neve and Lucanis getting together, and Taash and Harding getting together. Also who is surprised that neither of these companion relationship is a male x male. It's very modern liberal game development: we love the trans and the lesbians, but none of us want to write gay male relationships unless it's a completely irrelevant side quest where one or both of them die. Granted though, I'm sure I have missed tons of banter and at this point I'm tired of listening through quest dialogue. So maybe I'm the wrong person to make this argument lol. Honestly thats a good thing, if everyone was fucking everyone it would have been forced. The companions are player sexual for the most part, not pan sexual. I also appreciate that they aren't constantly horny like everyone in BG3 I'm just pointing out that they made a clear distinction how they are treating their companions as pansexual and how that is an important part of their identity, and they definitely aren't playersexual NO NO NO. But.. I'm not seeing it. Not really. Whether that's good or bad is up to any individual to determine, I'm just saying they seemed to have talked out their asses when marketing the game and their decision to go all bi/pan route once more.
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Post by journey95 on Nov 4, 2024 13:03:05 GMT
I think most companions I saw grew on me quite a bit. Even Bellara which I think is still very bad at least had a good moment of character background (even if the execution leaves a lot to be desired). But I hate what they Did to Harding. It's like they cast a spell on her to make her a child. Harding had more personality in the short talks you had with her in inquisition than in all of the conversations I've seen of her here. And she was kinda to the point no nonsense kind of girl with a bit of wit. Now she is just a quirky princess who talks like a child. Davrin is probably my favourite so far, appreciate having a more mature companion. Emmrich is also pretty interesting Agree about Harding, she is way too childish and different compared to Inquisition.
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 4, 2024 13:08:59 GMT
I am also liking the character, and his VA is pretty good and reminds me of Jacob from Mass Effect. Is it the same VA? Nope it's the Standing in the ashes of the dead guy, Javrik? Maybe . can't remember ME 3. But I liked that ruthless alien. That was Javik "Their sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire". It's probably coincidence that I like both him and Davrin, who is - as opposed to most other DAV companions - someone I like to have around.
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Post by Nimlowyn on Nov 4, 2024 13:10:10 GMT
I've also been watching Emmrich's personal quest. Has anyone finished this yet? Cause I think it is another case of something totally at variance with the lore being shoehorned in. I am speaking, of course, of Emmrich becoming a lich. So the Mourn Watch have altered from a group of dedicated guardians of the Grand Necropolis and experts in the funeral rites to create the mummified bodies that live there to a group where the ultimate aim is to become an immortal undead. Why were we never told this before? I thought it a stretch that they established their alternative burial rites under the noses of the Chantry but this? Are they trying to tell us that no one, absolutely no one ever suspected them? That the Templars didn't sense something weird going on even if they continued to walk around with the glamour hiding their true appearance? Yet when Emmrich presents himself to the team, they are all really chilled about it. It's not a problem. Really! Couldn't they have just one person go "I'm out of here" or at least "Just stay way from me, okay".
Presumably this is what they meant when people asked can you sleep with a skeleton (meaning Manfred) and they said not quite, wait and see. So, yes, you can continue on the romance with this weird skeleton undead guy who sleeps in a coffin. Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
However, the lore implications are just enormous and, once again, another nail in the coffin of the Maker. Clearly, they threw the whole "we're never going to reveal whether he exists on not" into the trash along with the rest of the lore. Non evil liches and tame demons do not belong in Thedas. This is not morally grey, it is stupid.
This is not a soft reboot. This is a whole new setting using old names and places. No wonder they wanted to dump the Keep. Ugh, do I *have* to go along with this? In the past there could be several outcomes for a character. I cannot believe how much this setting is getting destroyed. In real Thedas there would be an Exalted March on Nevarra.
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 4, 2024 13:10:14 GMT
It's worth noting that Gamalytic only use Steam figures ignoring other outlets. On PC a large amount of the fandom are going to be using the EA App as that's what they are used to (however terrible it may be). And DA has always had a larger console user base than PC. This isn't like BG3 where the console ports came after the PC release. Suffice to say I think those numbers mean very little at this stage. Do you have a source for this? Also you can mostly account for consoles and Origin by multiplying the highest figure reported figures by three.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 4, 2024 13:16:19 GMT
I've also been watching Emmrich's personal quest. Has anyone finished this yet? Cause I think it is another case of something totally at variance with the lore being shoehorned in. I am speaking, of course, of Emmrich becoming a lich. So the Mourn Watch have altered from a group of dedicated guardians of the Grand Necropolis and experts in the funeral rites to create the mummified bodies that live there to a group where the ultimate aim is to become an immortal undead. Why were we never told this before? I thought it a stretch that they established their alternative burial rites under the noses of the Chantry but this? Are they trying to tell us that no one, absolutely no one ever suspected them? That the Templars didn't sense something weird going on even if they continued to walk around with the glamour hiding their true appearance? Yet when Emmrich presents himself to the team, they are all really chilled about it. It's not a problem. Really! Couldn't they have just one person go "I'm out of here" or at least "Just stay way from me, okay".
Presumably this is what they meant when people asked can you sleep with a skeleton (meaning Manfred) and they said not quite, wait and see. So, yes, you can continue on the romance with this weird skeleton undead guy who sleeps in a coffin. Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
However, the lore implications are just enormous and, once again, another nail in the coffin of the Maker. Clearly, they threw the whole "we're never going to reveal whether he exists on not" into the trash along with the rest of the lore. Non evil liches and tame demons do not belong in Thedas. This is not morally grey, it is stupid.
This is not a soft reboot. This is a whole new setting using old names and places. No wonder they wanted to dump the Keep. Ugh, do I *have* to go along with this? In the past there could be several outcomes for a character. I cannot believe how much this setting is getting destroyed. In real Thedas there would be an Exalted March on Nevarra. Nope. It's a choice.
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Post by Nimlowyn on Nov 4, 2024 13:17:24 GMT
Ugh, do I *have* to go along with this? In the past there could be several outcomes for a character. I cannot believe how much this setting is getting destroyed. In real Thedas there would be an Exalted March on Nevarra. Nope. It's a choice. Yay! Thanks.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 4, 2024 13:23:19 GMT
Also who is surprised that neither of these companion relationship is a male x male. It's very modern liberal game development: we love the trans and the lesbians, but none of us want to write gay male relationships unless it's a completely irrelevant side quest where one or both of them die. Yup, I noticed this years go. It's simple really. It's all about WOMEN. Strong lesbian women, women who become men. It's so transparent it's hilarious. I can play Netflix bingo with this and get drunk real fast guessing which character is a lesbian within five seconds of their introduction. Obviously lesbians are the best women because they don't need men to be fulfilled so we can completely ignore men. Gay men are higher tier than straight men but they are still men so let's not give them too much attention. But this is dangerous mod hammer territory again so best drop it...
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Nov 4, 2024 13:26:03 GMT
Yeh, well that figures. Incidentally, Maevaris clearly got her name because DG was originally basing her on Mae West, except as a transwoman. Mae in his comic series was great and really channeled Mae West. Yet, she was also unapologetic about slavery, even more so than Dorian in DAI. "Everyone has slaves in Tevinter, darling." It instantly made her about something more than the fact she was trans and there was something that people like Isabella could kick back against. The comment by Mae was in response to a sarcastic comment by Isabella about the Magister pointing out her slaves. That's why Mae worked. You discover more about her later but it was never the main aspect of her personality or even her story. In other words, David Gaider knew how to do it well.
From what I've seen of Mae in Veilguard she doesn't even look like comic Mae. I know she is 12 years older and had a bit of a fall from grace but the old Mae would still have kept that air of swagger and style, as did the real Mae West who had her setbacks and challenges in life. It would have been interesting to actually see those political machinations in the Magisterium and how Mae was undermined along with the Lucerni. Instead there was just a few lines of dialogue (or is there more I haven't seen?).
That's what is so disappointing about the game when it comes to returning characters or even, as in the case of Mae, characters we have never seen in game but know from other media and by reputation. There was so much potential when it came to the politics of Tevinter and it was just reduced to Venatori corrupted everyone but a handful of good guys. Great! You should really see what they have done with Isseya. She was one of my favorite characters from the books. One of the coolest examples of a blood mage done right. Yet Veilguard brought her back and I REALLY don't like it at all.
Same way I wouldn't want them to bring back Garahel just for some cheap tragic tale or whatever.
She deserved the honor to rest in peace at least, but no. She had to come back and do the opposite of all she did in life.
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Post by Eysbrandt on Nov 4, 2024 13:29:53 GMT
The more I read and see, the more it looks like the despised original trailer and the Netflix anime were very representative of what Dragon Age has become. Explains all the wailing and gnashing of teeth...
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Post by bachtr on Nov 4, 2024 13:37:21 GMT
Hey I just registered, i've only played origins for now but i'm disappointed at the new game being safe in writing bit I guess I should've seen it coming with the artstyle. But I also I wanna correct something, if you don't romance Emmrich he will get together with a male NPC. so the claim that there's no gay relationship isn't true
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Nov 4, 2024 13:41:05 GMT
Do you have a source for this? I'm afraid not as I'm going by stuff I saw well over a decade ago, probably shortly after DAO came out, which showed approximately even distribution between PC/Xbox/PS and DA has only become more console friendly since then.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 4, 2024 13:45:20 GMT
Hey I just registered, i've only played origins for now but i'm disappointed at the new game being safe in writing bit I guess I should've seen it coming with the artstyle. But I also I wanna correct something, if you don't romance Emmrich he will get together with a male NPC. so the claim that there's no gay relationship isn't true Oh? That's nice. But I have no idea who this NPC might be... I don't remember anyone close to him like that while doing his quests
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