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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 29, 2024 20:20:50 GMT
"It gets good eventually" is cope language for the game is shit, and I refuse to admit it. The Starfield fanboys did the same thing for literal months post release. Oh, I know. And I could draw a lot of parallels between the two games, like your companions all nice law abiding citizens and there are no morally gray or outright evil companions like in previous games. No real conflict. Just super lame sanitized boredom with mediocre to bad writing. And everything I used to love about their games is absent. At least BioWare hasn't gone full corporate greedy scumbags who basically admitted they designed Starfield as a SP live service game where you expected to buy the rest of the game over the next few years like a tool. Like the first DLC for 30€ that was a probably a cut faction questline. They got everyone to buy a skeleton of a game for 70€ so they could sell you everything piecemeal for insulting prices like they did in the FO76 atomic shop. And they tell to your face that this was a brilliant idea of theirs. So there is zero hope for Bethesda. They're completely creatively and morally bankrupt now. And I have no words for how disgusted I am. I guess BioWare being run by activists now is cute in comparison. At least they're well meaning while they destroy their legacy. DAV at least doesn't have micro transactions anymore and all the other usual greedy EA bullshit. Hooray. See, silver lining! This is me being positive, lol.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 29, 2024 20:21:41 GMT
Review views doesn't equal interest. The game is selling like hotcakes anyway, it seems. Most preordered game on Steam now, I think. I'm honestly surprised given the extremely bad PR at the beginning with the teaser. All the anti woke rage bait doesn't seem to have done any damage. Nor the Pixar art style. Probably because the people who buy BioWare games are super LGBTQ friendly and like BioWare for it. So that rage machine is falling on deaf ears. The very positive review scores are probably helping a lot with people on the fence. People don't actually have to watch lengthy YT videos, they just have to look at the review scores and read a bunch of summaries to be convinced this game isn't a complete failure. And that's good enough for s purchase. Going to be interesting if DAV is another game where the professional reviews don't match user scores at all or if us here are the outliers. Will people have the patience to stick with the boring beginning that seems to range from 30-75% of the game, no less! I still can't wrap my head around that... Getting such high praise despite that. Really feels fishy as hell, not gonna lie. Either this is the biggest bought review campaign ever or the last act REALLY blows it out of the water somehow. Or maybe people are extremely forgiving of a beloved franchise and don't want BioWare to get shut down so everybody has collectively decided to praise the hell out of it to ensure this game sells well enough to make EA happy. It's 3rd top selling on Steam above Factorio, War Thunder, Sons of the Forest, a bunch of other old games, a rerelease of the original RDR, Rust. No indication how it's selling atm but it could sell well. Being 3rd on the Steam Charts as a preorder isn't by itself a fantastic result store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellersIt's beating out Monster Hunter Wilds ... that doesn't release til February next year It'll depend a lot of what kind of sales expectation EA has for the game. The only data we have is that it was matching their expectation in the last (I think?) financial report in terms of preorders, and it was way down in the Steam charts (but quite high on PSN sales). If the target is the 12m DAI sold, I don't think it'll reach it. But it could be much lower.
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Post by river82 on Oct 29, 2024 20:22:05 GMT
I legit don't get it.. why do people have such a hate boner for this game? I mean I have my reasons for concern but I get the sense all these YouTubers are just really riding the hate train, but I really don't understand what fuels it Skillup's review speaks to old Bioware fans. He didn't have a hate boner, he's reviewing it with old Bioware expectations in mind and people resonate. There are legitimate concerns yup, and people are also jumping on for sure, but not all or most youtubers have a hate boner
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Post by river82 on Oct 29, 2024 20:23:36 GMT
It's 3rd top selling on Steam above Factorio, War Thunder, Sons of the Forest, a bunch of other old games, a rerelease of the original RDR, Rust. No indication how it's selling atm but it could sell well. Being 3rd on the Steam Charts as a preorder isn't by itself a fantastic result store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellersIt's beating out Monster Hunter Wilds ... that doesn't release til February next year It'll depend a lot of what kind of sales expectation EA has for the game. The only data we have is that it was matching their expectation in the last (I think?) financial report in terms of preorders, and it was way down in the Steam charts (but quite high on PSN sales). If the target is the 12m DAI sold, I don't think it'll reach it. But it could be much lower. It could reach 12m but it'd take a number of years to do so. It won't at launch
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Post by themikefest on Oct 29, 2024 20:23:46 GMT
The marvelisation of Dragon Age started with Inquisition and that's why I assume die hard Inquisition fans are gonna like Veilguard Looks more like Mass Effect: Andromeda to me. Let's take a look MEA remove choices/features/options that were in the trilogy. DAV removed features from previous games. No control companion mechanic. Reduction in companions to take on quest's MEA squadmates were like decorations causing them to do very little damage DAV while having an ability wheel, the companions still do very little damage. When they do some damage, it's because Rook wanted to use the ability wheel to have a combo MEA main character was a wimp. Lacked a pair. DAV looks like rook might be slightly better than a lame duck MEA has a voice in the head DAV has a nutjob who will be annoying
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Post by therevanchist25 on Oct 29, 2024 20:24:23 GMT
Based on the dragon age community in Reddit I'm sure many Dragon Age fans will do the same THe Dragon Age Reddit has been a toxic positivity echo chamber for about a decade now.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 29, 2024 20:25:07 GMT
So I guess we're the crazy haters and everyone else is totally unbothered by the kindergarten tone. WTF. It seems only two or three reviews mention the tone in a way that might put people off. So it's possible we'll see it mentioned more often after release. One hopes. Some, like Mortym, may be genuinely less bothered by it than you and me, but still recognize the tone as a flaw, but I'm afraid there are too many people these days who've lost their cognitive abilities in all the tribal warfare.
Meanwhile, I'm replaying The Witcher 3, and hope I won't die from culture shock or drown in the ocean of fluff when I get to DAV.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2024 20:25:40 GMT
Am i the only one thinking the ending is going to be 'Dragon Age Suicide mission' Judging by the video of all companions listing all the quests Rook still need to make before they can take on the Evanuris in a very blatant and obvious way, much worse than Jacobs in ME2
maybe, might even be a carbon copy of it. If everyone is praising the end people might even die, Idk.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Oct 29, 2024 20:25:41 GMT
It's beating out Monster Hunter Wilds ... that doesn't release til February next year Can't wait!
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Post by themikefest on Oct 29, 2024 20:29:50 GMT
Given that some negative review still praised the third Act/final hours of the game, it is possible that it’ll be a very positive part of the game. Some of the positive reviews mentioned the game takes a while to get more interesting/good. Regardless of the actual overall quality of the game, it could be true that the initial part is the worst part and the final part the best. Am i the only one thinking the ending is going to be 'Dragon Age Suicide mission' and the illusive man is now a bald egg What? That's Blasphemy. Chuckles is nowhere near the greatness of TIM. ALL HAIL TIM If this is some kind of suicide like mission, I would hope chuckles will be counted as one of the possible casualties
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Oct 29, 2024 20:33:10 GMT
I forgot who speculated that there are no Greatswords in Veilguard, it seems they are correct.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Oct 29, 2024 20:34:56 GMT
So I guess we're the crazy haters and everyone else is totally unbothered by the kindergarten tone. WTF. It seems only two or three reviews mention the tone in a way that might put people off. So it's possible we'll see it mentioned more often after release. One hopes. Some, like Mortym, may be genuinely less bothered by it than you and me, but still recognize the tone as a flaw, but I'm afraid there are too many people these days who've lost their cognitive abilities in all the tribal warfare.
Meanwhile, I'm replaying The Witcher 3, and hope I won't die from culture shock or drown in the ocean of fluff when I get to DAV.
It's important to remember, the last 20 years of Marvel writing has normalized this garbage in people's heads. Most don't know better anymore. This crap has been uniformly shoved down our throats for so long people forgot what good writing is. A whole generation has grown up knowing literally nothing but this Swill.
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Post by teaspoons on Oct 29, 2024 20:35:44 GMT
It's beating out Monster Hunter Wilds ... that doesn't release til February next year Can't wait! monster hunter wilds has a open beta on steam on the 31st. i’ll be curious to see how it’ll do against veilguard on release day
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 29, 2024 20:35:56 GMT
Meanwhile, I'm replaying The Witcher 3, and hope I won't die from culture shock or drown in the ocean of fluff when I get to DAV. Ha, me too! At the end of Blood And Wine now and I think I appreciate the game even more upon replaying. It's still a marvel. Still pretty much unmatched to me. But I'm extremely biased as a big fan of the novels.
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Post by andorvex on Oct 29, 2024 20:36:33 GMT
I legit don't get it.. why do people have such a hate boner for this game? I mean I have my reasons for concern but I get the sense all these YouTubers are just really riding the hate train, but I really don't understand what fuels it Skillup's review speaks to old Bioware fans. He didn't have a hate boner, he's reviewing it with old Bioware expectations in mind and people resonate. There are legitimate concerns yup, and people are also jumping on for sure, but not all or most youtubers have a hate boner Again, I'm not talking about Skillup or Matty or wolfheartFPS... I'm talking about all these low effort anty woke dudes that are simply Littering my feed with videos. I can pull ten different videos from the last several hours that are all like "Bioware EPIC fail! dragon Age Wokenes kills the studio!" And they are fucking everywhere.
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Post by abedsbrother on Oct 29, 2024 20:36:49 GMT
When people - have been playing a game franchise for 15 years - are treated to something that doesn't fit the tone of past entries - AND disrespects player agency (a prominent feature of those past entries) - AND disrespects (via ignoring or altering) existing lore - AND disrespects (via ignoring or altering) existing characters then there will be a LOT of disappointment. Some people are "riding the hate train," but Skillup and MrMattyPlays are not. MrMattyPlays in particular sometimes goes out of his way to make excuses for games that are mid at best (one of my criticisms of him, and why I'm not subscribed to him though I still watch his stuff sometimes). A lot of people feel the same way about both of them: not fans, but Skillup and Matty usually have opinions worth hearing. That both their reviews were negative is extremely telling, because both of them have enough gaming knowledge to say more than "I just didn't like it." Matty's is more of a talking-head video imo, but Skillup's review is incredibly well-rounded. So there are a lot of misgivings right now from a lot of people (many of them long-time franchise fans), and in their disappointment some emotions are running high. But that's not the people I talk about. All the YouTubers that are littering YouTube now talking about how woke everything in the game is don't seem to me to be the same people you talk about (and I agree with most of your concerns). I'm saying there are two groups of people bashing the game right now, one is not as legitimate as the other, and it seems like the later is the one dominating YouTube right now... Or maybe it's just something with the algorithm that fills my feed with them... I suspect having this conversation in the depth it deserves would take us significantly off-topic. However... Without touching sensitive topics, aspects of Veilguard are politically charged, I don't think anyone can disagree with that. So there are additional haters who will focus on the socio-political implications of a game like Veilguard, and recommend or condemn based on those factors. That happened with Baldur's Gate 3 as well, but that game is good and most gamers didn't wind up caring about the "politics" of BG3. This is proven by the fact that a lot of people bought the game anyway. If Veilguard is a genuinely good game, I believe the same will hold true. tl;dr I think a lot of the noise you are hearing right now is just that, noise.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Oct 29, 2024 20:39:52 GMT
Skillup's review speaks to old Bioware fans. He didn't have a hate boner, he's reviewing it with old Bioware expectations in mind and people resonate. There are legitimate concerns yup, and people are also jumping on for sure, but not all or most youtubers have a hate boner Again, I'm not talking about Skillup or Matty or wolfheartFPS... I'm talking about all these low effort anty woke dudes that are simply Littering my feed with videos. I can pull ten different videos from the last several hours that are all like "Bioware EPIC fail! dragon Age Wokenes kills the studio!" And they are fucking everywhere. The thing you are talking about, is the thing we aren't allowed to discuss. On this forum, or anywhere else. Because it's Wrong Think.
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It should play at the right time, otherwise 13:31 for Dorian stuff Thank you. This basically confirms what we already knew, they chose the direct sequel of DAI to begin a soft reboot in the series. Only one choice actually matters of the 3 they chose to import.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 29, 2024 20:40:30 GMT
Am i the only one thinking the ending is going to be 'Dragon Age Suicide mission' Judging by the video of all companions listing all the quests Rook still need to make before they can take on the Evanuris in a very blatant and obvious way, much worse than Jacobs in ME2
maybe, might even be a carbon copy of it. If everyone is praising the end people might even die, Idk. I'm sure some will/could die(though i do wonder if they'll ensure the qunari is safe given the politics.)
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Post by river82 on Oct 29, 2024 20:40:42 GMT
Skillup's review speaks to old Bioware fans. He didn't have a hate boner, he's reviewing it with old Bioware expectations in mind and people resonate. There are legitimate concerns yup, and people are also jumping on for sure, but not all or most youtubers have a hate boner Again, I'm not talking about Skillup or Matty or wolfheartFPS... I'm talking about all these low effort anty woke dudes that are simply Littering my feed with videos. I can pull ten different videos from the last several hours that are all like "Bioware EPIC fail! dragon Age Wokenes kills the studio!" And they are fucking everywhere. Clickbait will always be there, but they probably won't bring in a million viewers like Skillup
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Post by spacev3gan on Oct 29, 2024 20:45:35 GMT
DAV removed features from previous games. No control companion mechanic. Reduction in companions to take on quest's DAV has gone a lot further than that. Once I learned that companions don't have a health bar, they can't take damage and can't die, I had to take a moment just to digest it. Companions also do not draw aggro, all aggro is directed towards Rook.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Oct 29, 2024 20:46:44 GMT
Skillup's review speaks to old Bioware fans. He didn't have a hate boner, he's reviewing it with old Bioware expectations in mind and people resonate. There are legitimate concerns yup, and people are also jumping on for sure, but not all or most youtubers have a hate boner Again, I'm not talking about Skillup or Matty or wolfheartFPS... I'm talking about all these low effort anty woke dudes that are simply Littering my feed with videos. I can pull ten different videos from the last several hours that are all like "Bioware EPIC fail! dragon Age Wokenes kills the studio!" And they are fucking everywhere. When ever I get anything clickbaity on my Youtube feed, I simply click the 3 dots, and "Don't recommend channel". It keeps my feed nice and clean with only stuff I'm interested in.
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Post by andorvex on Oct 29, 2024 20:50:44 GMT
Again, I'm not talking about Skillup or Matty or wolfheartFPS... I'm talking about all these low effort anty woke dudes that are simply Littering my feed with videos. I can pull ten different videos from the last several hours that are all like "Bioware EPIC fail! dragon Age Wokenes kills the studio!" And they are fucking everywhere. When ever I get anything clickbaity on my Youtube feed, I simply click the 3 dots, and "Don't recommend channel". It keeps my feed nice and clean with only stuff I'm interested in. At this point this is just a slightly weird interest in what makes people gravitate so much towards this lame content... The content makers I get, they are completely cynical, but I don't get how come so many people watch these videos... But it's not big deal, just curiousity
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2024 20:52:30 GMT
Judging by the video of all companions listing all the quests Rook still need to make before they can take on the Evanuris in a very blatant and obvious way, much worse than Jacobs in ME2
maybe, might even be a carbon copy of it. If everyone is praising the end people might even die, Idk. I'm sure some will/could die(though i do wonder if they'll ensure the qunari is safe given the politics.) The Qunari is the Joker of the situation I bet.
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Post by abedsbrother on Oct 29, 2024 20:52:54 GMT
Companions also do not draw aggro, all aggro is directed towards Rook. wait WHAT
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