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Post by yarus on Oct 30, 2024 11:04:09 GMT
>Isabela is a leader of, or affiliated with, the Lords of Fortune
>Taash will pursue Harding if neither are romanced by the player
>The Antaam are blighting the dragons on behalf of the Evanuris
>More vague memberberries/references to DA2 that implicitly decanonize certain choices from that game (betraying Isabela to the Qunari, for example)
>There's a really dumb subboss/offshoot of the Antaam called the Dragon King who is so 2 dimensionally cartoonish that I have no idea what the devs were thinking
First wave of spoilers. A lot of it's really, really dumb
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Post by 10k on Oct 30, 2024 11:06:07 GMT
I would assume internally there still are two teams. Separate writers, separate producers. Why else would Mike Gamble try to separate the two in his post? Will it matter if they have HR standing over their shoulder telling them which boxes to check with the companions and to take out anything that might offend anyone in anyway? I personally don't think HR has a say in what's going to be added into their games. There's no evidence of that. I think it comes down to who the writers are working on the project period. They are the people who decide what ultimately is put into the game. To what the characters say, to how the overall story will unfold, it's mostly up to the writers. And when your lead writer is Patrick Weekes or Mac Walter. You get games like Veilguard or Andromeda.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 30, 2024 11:08:55 GMT
I'm going to hijack this Mass Effect tweet because it's comedy gold to me: Michael Gamble @gamblemikeRegarding tone questions: Mass Effect will maintain the mature tone of the original Trilogy. This is all I'm gonna say for now. It's hilarious how BioWare is already doing damage control for their next game because of the pushback against Veilguard. They're already throwing their not released game under the bus in a desperate attempt to keep people interested in Mass Effect. So is this admitting Veilguard's tone was a grave mistake? Veilguard is a gift that will keep on giving for years. Popcorn is popping! I saw that on the ME thread. It appears he's admitting MEA didn't have a mature tone. I agree. It didn't. A poster said, shortly after the release of the game, it's like a bunch of kids on spring break.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 30, 2024 11:10:40 GMT
Man I saw the Taash stuff... It's cliche, doesn't say anything about gender role, doesn't challenge anything. It's sad.
You don't fit your gender role, don't challenge it, just disown it, just "they" yourself away. Problem solved. Brand new you, brand new world.
It's twitter level of depth.
Add some cliché pathos I saw coming from several miles away.
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Post by yarus on Oct 30, 2024 11:13:34 GMT
Man I saw the Taash stuff... It's cliche, doesn't say anything about gender role, doesn't challenge anything. It's sad.
You don't fit your gender role, don't challenge it, just disown it, just "they" yourself away. Problem solved. Brand new you, brand new world.
It's twitter level of depth.
Add some cliché pathos I saw coming from several miles away.
I liked Taash some things about her are cool, but damn this is disappointing. The Qunari, the actual Qunari not the Vashoth or Tal Vashoth, are defined by their culture being the most antagonistic and fearful to magic and who were zealously opposed to the idea of elven Gods via trespasser are now their mooks and servants.
This is so unbelievably stupid and I hate everything about this
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Post by helios969 on Oct 30, 2024 11:23:34 GMT
Will it matter if they have HR standing over their shoulder telling them which boxes to check with the companions and to take out anything that might offend anyone in anyway? I personally don't think HR has a say in what's going to be added into their games. There's no evidence of that. I think it comes down to who the writers are working on the project period. They are the people who decide what ultimately is put into the game. To what the characters say, to how the overall story will unfold, it's mostly up to the writers. I'm not sure I believe that but I do hope you are right. ME-next (if it is allowed to move forward) might be going head-to-head with Exodus. It's a super intriguing concept with some incredible writers attached to the project. The problem with ME is that it is saddled with MET and MEA...which they're trying to mesh together instead of simply throwing out MEA. It's gonna end up being some convoluted Frankenstory. They'll need some serious writing magic to make it work. I'll be hoping...I'm far more attached to ME than DA...so it's easier for me to walk away from DAV even if I'm working my way through the five stages of grief...I think I'm almost to acceptance. 
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 30, 2024 11:26:32 GMT
>Isabela is a leader of, or affiliated with, the Lords of Fortune
>Taash will pursue Harding if neither are romanced by the player
>The Antaam are blighting the dragons on behalf of the Evanuris
>More vague memberberries/references to DA2 that implicitly decanonize certain choices from that game (betraying Isabela to the Qunari, for example)
>There's a really dumb subboss/offshoot of the Antaam called the Dragon King who is so 2 dimensionally cartoonish that I have no idea what the devs were thinking
First wave of spoilers. A lot of it's really, really dumb So the world's ending, two 'gods' are on the loose tearing shit up and we're worried about bare midriffs and making our mothers happy. Wow. And they're still carrying on about it. Holy shit. Can you imagine 40 or 50 hours of this inane, irrelevant, babble? At times like this, I ask myself. What would Sten do?
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Post by helios969 on Oct 30, 2024 11:29:34 GMT
I saw that on the ME thread. It appears he's admitting MEA didn't have a mature tone. I agree. It didn't. A poster said, shortly after the release of the game, it's like a bunch of kids on spring break. I think that's an apt description...though I always likened the Andromeda Initiative (at least the leadership) to a hippy commune deciding to go and colonize a different solar system...spreading peace and love and naively believing others conform to that ideal. Dude, we're explorers...we don't need any weapons on our ships.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 30, 2024 11:41:35 GMT
In regards to the video about Taash that yarus posted: This dialogue is so horrendous. I legitimately believe middle schoolers can do a much better job. If she says "I'm a dragon slayer" one more fucking time... Setting aside the complete character assassination of the Antaam. This is so much worse than I thought it was going to be. It's narcissistic, self inserted, masturbatory garbage that belongs nowhere near a video game let alone a damned Dragon Age game. No wonder Gamble spoke out and got ahead of this trash. |
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Post by yarus on Oct 30, 2024 11:45:28 GMT
I do not understand the logic in pre ordering a digital product, but I must ask those lurking this thread to ask themselves seriously if paying 60$ for this game is worth it. You can buy Tyranny, DAO, DA2, DAI, Greedfall, New Vegas, and so many other solid games with that money - but is spending 60$ *really* worth it?
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Post by Reznore on Oct 30, 2024 12:07:23 GMT
>Isabela is a leader of, or affiliated with, the Lords of Fortune
>Taash will pursue Harding if neither are romanced by the player
>The Antaam are blighting the dragons on behalf of the Evanuris
>More vague memberberries/references to DA2 that implicitly decanonize certain choices from that game (betraying Isabela to the Qunari, for example)
>There's a really dumb subboss/offshoot of the Antaam called the Dragon King who is so 2 dimensionally cartoonish that I have no idea what the devs were thinking
First wave of spoilers. A lot of it's really, really dumb So the world's ending, two 'gods' are on the loose tearing shit up and we're worried about bare midriffs and making our mothers happy. Wow. And they're still carrying on about it. Holy shit. Can you imagine 40 or 50 hours of this inane, irrelevant, babble? At times like this, I ask myself. What would Sten do? Sten would kick all the Veilguard asses. Hell he want to duel you if he feels your warden is wasting time.
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Post by helios969 on Oct 30, 2024 12:08:36 GMT
I do not understand the logic in pre ordering a digital product, but I must ask those lurking this thread to ask themselves seriously if paying 60$ for this game is worth it. You can buy Tyranny, DAO, DA2, DAI, Greedfall, New Vegas, and so many other solid games with that money - but is spending 60$ *really* worth it? Instead of purchasing DAV, I just bought TLOU, Hogwarts Legacy, and Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri for 57$ off Steam. Played TLOU on PS a couple times years ago but have been wanting it for PC, and loved Alpha Centauri too...even if it's dated for 2.50 I figured why the hell not. Haven't played Hogwarts but I've heard only positive things. So I think I got 3 good products instead of a crappy one.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 30, 2024 12:19:22 GMT
Regarding the problem I'm having with Taash as a character vs previously written companions: Taash's loyalty missions seem to be all about Taash and her identity and how she feels and what's important for her. It's 'me, me, me' to the extreme. When the stakes have never been higher and the world never more hostile, she can only focus on her identity and others just get in the way. Versus lets say Miranda Lawson. What was her loyalty quest about? It was about other people. Namely her sister and her controlling father. It was about making sure that Oriana was safe and happy. By focusing on that, you the player are able to see beneath the 'ice queen's' exterior. You are able to see her depth and understand that there's much more to her than being a prickly perfectionist, professional, who's almost loyal to a fault.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 30, 2024 12:36:23 GMT
I do not understand the logic in pre ordering a digital product, but I must ask those lurking this thread to ask themselves seriously if paying 60$ for this game is worth it. You can buy Tyranny, DAO, DA2, DAI, Greedfall, New Vegas, and so many other solid games with that money - but is spending 60$ *really* worth it? Speaking strictly for myself, if this wasn't Dragon Age, I wouldn't even say a single sentence about this game but ignore it. But it is, I still like the world, I want to finish this story arc, and I feel I owe it to myself to see it for myself. And since time is a bigger constraint for me than money with regard to gaming, I'll buy the game and play it on the easiest setting. Since I will dislike the combat anyway, I'll not have lost anything.
And with regard to spending my time, I expect to have a very hard time in spring, with games coming out like Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, Avowed, Clair Obscur Expedition 33 and one or two others. But very much unlike 2023, 2024 hasn't been a good year for the kind of games I like.
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 30, 2024 12:43:52 GMT
I've seen some screenshots about that imply that you will have to do companion quests (or other side activities) before you are able to continue with the main story (presumably the final mission?). Like '' we won't be able to face the gods with other worries weighing us down '' etc.
Like I have to first go through Taash's ridiculously vain, lame and blatant gender journey mission before I can face the unbelievable threat before us?
I sure would hope that isn't the case and whatever side stuff you have to do to progress isn't related to the companions, because what if I just don't like a companion enough to do their personal missions? Feels like you are being shackled to your '' found family '' if that's the case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2024 12:47:01 GMT
Weapons are just ability/combo tools now - hammers and axes can do a "slam the ground" ability animation but for greatswords that would look silly. That's probably all it is. In other words: Lazy. And we're probably not talking about something complex like perfecting the plot to accomodate the worldstate choices they left out.
Or maybe we are and its extremely hard ot animate greatswords? Idk, still amazing how everything is taken away from us in this game the more we look at it.
I feel less excited to play this than I am to go back to my current Skyrim playthrough.
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Post by sentinel87 on Oct 30, 2024 12:52:43 GMT
I had a feeling this game was going to be divisive, but I'm surprised by just how much it's shaping up to be. Still playing day 1, but my expectations have been set low. This may help my enjoyment of the game. I hope.
Haven't gotten any real spoilers so far. This launch is shaping up so weird. MEA felt like a slow car wreck over it's extended release. A lot of that was focusing on how buggy the game was. Haven't seen any bugs mentioned with DAV and it looks like it's the writing that's going to cause the most problems.
MrMattyPlays review was pretty much in line with what I had a feeling the game would be from the previews.
If there is any game developer where the writers have the biggest sway internally it's Bioware from what I've read and heard in interviews. If the game does poorly on it's writing that only on them.
I found MEA's writing to be poor. I'm expecting DAV's to be bad.
Still looking forward to playing a new Bioware game. That's mostly to see what they do with Solas, Morrigan and Varric. But I am, and haven't been for a while, actually excited given all the previews that we've seen. I get the feeling I'll have some thoughts to unpack when I've completed the game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2024 12:56:08 GMT
>Isabela is a leader of, or affiliated with, the Lords of Fortune
>Taash will pursue Harding if neither are romanced by the player
>The Antaam are blighting the dragons on behalf of the Evanuris
>More vague memberberries/references to DA2 that implicitly decanonize certain choices from that game (betraying Isabela to the Qunari, for example)
>There's a really dumb subboss/offshoot of the Antaam called the Dragon King who is so 2 dimensionally cartoonish that I have no idea what the devs were thinking
First wave of spoilers. A lot of it's really, really dumb Kind of weird that Isabella never mentioned that in any of her conversations or even that the Lords of Fortune were a thing back then. Of course, they weren't. They sprang into existence for this game, which is why they featured in Tevinter Nights. Just as the Antaam suddenly mutinied against Par Vollen and apparently the Ben'Hassrath did nothing about it. That is their main purpose in life, to police the Qun and hunt down dissidents. I wonder if they explain what happened to Arishok Sten.
We already knew about Taash and Harding from the Devs.
Why are the Antaam blighting dragons on behalf of the Evanuris? Are they still operating from free will or are they now enslaved to them?
Nothing from earlier games matters now except the canon choice the current writers preferred. We already had signs of that in DAI with Hawke prejudiced against blood magic even though they had been a blood mage in DA2 and in associated media with Fenris. Then they dumped the entire Keep for DAV. Face it, this is not the Thedas you knew but a totally new world with some of the old names slapped on it.
So instead of coming up with some really interesting lore concerning the Kossith dragon heritage, they go with the Dragon King. Sheesh!
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2024 13:05:06 GMT
I had a feeling this game was going to be divisive, but I'm surprised by just how much it's shaping up to be. Still playing day 1, but my expectations have been set low. This may help my enjoyment of the game. I hope. Good for you. I hope you can enjoy it. Treat it as an entirely new game rather than a continuation of the old one and you will probably find it better. That's what I said I was going to do originally but now I just can't face it. I think it would be bad for my blood pressure. Since I would have to spend money on upgrading my PC or buying a console before I could play it, that will make it easier. I remember I had the same problem around the time Andromeda came out and was sad I couldn't play it (because I was waiting to see what spec I would need for DA4 before committing myself) and then a colleague at work said I had dodged a bullet on that one. So I'm getting a definite feeling of deja vu. I will just lurk here on the boards picking up snippets of story until I have to replace my aging PC. Then if the last five hours do make up for all the rest, perhaps I will buy it then. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2024 13:05:25 GMT
Regarding the problem I'm having with Taash as a character vs previously written companions: Taash's loyalty missions seem to be all about Taash and her identity and how she feels and what's important for her. It's 'me, me, me' to the extreme. When the stakes have never been higher and the world never more hostile, she can only focus on her identity and others just get in the way. Versus lets say Miranda Lawson. What was her loyalty quest about? It was about other people. Namely her sister and her controlling father. It was about making sure that Oriana was safe and happy. By focusing on that, you the player are able to see beneath the 'ice queen's' exterior. You are able to see her depth and understand that there's much more to her than being a prickly perfectionist, professional, who's almost loyal to a fault.
She didn't need to tell us that she identifies as a good sister. She showed us. You know who Taash reminds me of? Poochie, you know, that dog from the Simpsons.
"We need a new Qunari, we're talking the original Qunari from hell!!"
For the first time since Rey I'm seeing a Mary Sue, and I sure as shit didn't expect it to be in Dragon Age.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 30, 2024 13:07:04 GMT
I've heard nothing but good things about Emmrich, even from the negative reviews. So there's that. Maybe he'll be fun to watch in someone's playthrough.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 30, 2024 13:08:29 GMT
I had a feeling this game was going to be divisive, but I'm surprised by just how much it's shaping up to be. Still playing day 1, but my expectations have been set low. This may help my enjoyment of the game. I hope. Good for you. I hope you can enjoy it. Treat it as an entirely new game rather than a continuation of the old one and you will probably find it better. That's what I said I was going to do originally but now I just can't face it. I think it would be bad for my blood pressure. Since I would have to spend money on upgrading my PC or buying a console before I could play it, that will make it easier. I remember I had the same problem around the time Andromeda came out and was sad I couldn't play it (because I was waiting to see what spec I would need for DA4 before committing myself) and then a colleague at work said I had dodged a bullet on that one. So I'm getting a definite feeling of deja vu. I will just lurk here on the boards picking up snippets of story until I have to replace my aging PC. Then if the last five hours do make up for all the rest, perhaps I will buy it then. Gervaise if you have a somewhat good internet connexion, just play on Geforce now. You'll have to buy the game and pay a monthly fee (like 20 euro for high quality graphic or something) you can cancel the thing after one month.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2024 13:13:24 GMT
Gervaise if you have a somewhat good internet connexion, just play on Geforce now. You'll have to buy the game and pay a monthly fee (like 20 euro for high quality graphic or something) you can cancel the thing after one month. Huh, well that's a possibility. My internet connection is generally excellent. Okay, I'll look into that. Thank you. |
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Post by Biotic Commando on Oct 30, 2024 13:15:35 GMT
So the world's ending, two 'gods' are on the loose tearing shit up and we're worried about bare midriffs and making our mothers happy. Wow. And they're still carrying on about it. Holy shit. Can you imagine 40 or 50 hours of this inane, irrelevant, babble? At times like this, I ask myself. What would Sten do? Sten would kick all the Veilguard asses. Hell he want to duel you if he feels your warden is wasting time. A prostitute from The Pearl with a broken wooden sword would wipe the floor with the entire Veilguard tbh |
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Post by Biotic Commando on Oct 30, 2024 13:18:52 GMT
Regarding the problem I'm having with Taash as a character vs previously written companions: Taash's loyalty missions seem to be all about Taash and her identity and how she feels and what's important for her. It's 'me, me, me' to the extreme. When the stakes have never been higher and the world never more hostile, she can only focus on her identity and others just get in the way. Versus lets say Miranda Lawson. What was her loyalty quest about? It was about other people. Namely her sister and her controlling father. It was about making sure that Oriana was safe and happy. By focusing on that, you the player are able to see beneath the 'ice queen's' exterior. You are able to see her depth and understand that there's much more to her than being a prickly perfectionist, professional, who's almost loyal to a fault.
She didn't need to tell us that she identifies as a good sister. She showed us. You know who Taash reminds me of? Poochie, you know, that dog from the Simpsons.
"We need a new Qunari, we're talking the original Qunari from hell!!"
For the first time since Rey I'm seeing a Mary Sue, and I sure as shit didn't expect it to be in Dragon Age.
At least from Rey I enjoyed Daisy Ridley's acting, but here? Nothing. To think we could have had an actual female Qunari companion and romance. Hell that girl from the animated series was a more enjoyable character |
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