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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 21:06:07 GMT
They changed it because of rabid horny fans mostly, I guarantee it I think these people have the potential to ruin RPGs. In his latest video about DAV, Spell&Shield called them tourists that should stick to playing The Sims. I like my occasional romance, but if one becomes important, it's for other reasons than, as he put it, copulating with pixels, and characters in epic fantasy rpgs should not be made with "romanceability" in mind.
I think I watched this video and I somewhat agree. I think the Veilguard approach makes it virtually impossible to write characters like Wynne, Shale, HK47, Jolee, wild flower, and Henpecked Hou. I'm not 100% comfortable with the gatekeeping implications though
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 13, 2024 21:09:50 GMT
Playing Human Noble origin now. Having fun just talking to NPCs in Ostagar. I actually found some I never talked to before. They are all cool What do you need to play DAO on present-day hardware? I heard it's difficult to get to run, and my last run was 2017.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 13, 2024 21:12:19 GMT
Things only matter if you make them matter to yourself. The game doesn't insist anything upon you, and I kind of need it to, otherwise I will have a hard time caring. Perhaps that's a weakness of character from my part that I can't just roleplay and find things that matter on my own though. I understand that. Having a hook for your imagination pulls you into the story more easily, and makes your character stick. I had a great deal of fun with my BG3 characters, but I've already forgotten all of their their names but one because nothing intrinsically linked them to the story. Meanwhile, I remember at least four of my DAO characters by name after 15 years, plus their motivations for the decisions they made. That is perfectly put. I also had tons of fun with BG3, but that fun didn't involve wanting to listen to banter videos 8 years after first playing the game. It didn't mean wanting to play the game through once almost every year. It had no profound effect that other RPGs have had, despite having lots of fun with it.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 21:13:16 GMT
Playing Human Noble origin now. Having fun just talking to NPCs in Ostagar. I actually found some I never talked to before. They are all cool What do you need to play DAO on present-day hardware? I heard it's difficult to get to run, and my last run was 2017. You need the 4gb patch (I don't know exactly what it does, only that it prevents crashes to some extent), the UI mod (unless you want to play on a very low resolution) and tons of luck. People on Reddit always tell me the game runs fine for them when I list these things and it annoys the shit out of me. The DA sub literally has a bot programmed to post tips and help installing the game if it suspects the op has recently installed it.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 13, 2024 21:15:59 GMT
I understand that. Having a hook for your imagination pulls you into the story more easily, and makes your character stick. I had a great deal of fun with my BG3 characters, but I've already forgotten all of their their names but one because nothing intrinsically linked them to the story. Meanwhile, I remember at least four of my DAO characters by name after 15 years, plus their motivations for the decisions they made. Fascinating how people differ. I don't much care for my two wardens. I cannot even remember how I played them differently or not. I really struggle with connecting to silent protagonists when everyone else has a voice. Then again I also don't care for my inky. Shepard was amazing y Hawke was amazing, the rest I don't much care for. I'll never forget my BG3 durge though I think. Mostly because of how unique of an experience that was. I roleplayed him hard and got the absolute perfect bad ending for him. My sweet druid though I don't really have strong emotions for, I admit. Again, silent protagonist issues and not enough narrative ties to that character. I often emote the most with (semi) set protagonists since I care more about emotion than roleplaying freedom. Either the companions have to make me fall in love with them or the protagonist, ideally both. I can relate to anybody if the narrative is good enough. Sometimes even when it's not. I get emotional easily about fictional characters while you'll rarely see me cry about things happening in my own life.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 13, 2024 21:18:02 GMT
I think these people have the potential to ruin RPGs. In his latest video about DAV, Spell&Shield called them tourists that should stick to playing The Sims. I like my occasional romance, but if one becomes important, it's for other reasons than, as he put it, copulating with pixels, and characters in epic fantasy rpgs should not be made with "romanceability" in mind.
I think I watched this video and I somewhat agree. I think the Veilguard approach makes it virtually impossible to write characters like Wynne, Shale, HK47, Jolee, wild flower, and Henpecked Hou. I'm not 100% comfortable with the gatekeeping implications though Though I'd have a good hearty laugh if BioWare had the chops to write a romance with HK-47 or Shale. That is, if they wrote them as they should be. Death and game over for the player character.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 21:20:54 GMT
I think I watched this video and I somewhat agree. I think the Veilguard approach makes it virtually impossible to write characters like Wynne, Shale, HK47, Jolee, wild flower, and Henpecked Hou. I'm not 100% comfortable with the gatekeeping implications though Though I'd have a good hearty laugh if BioWare had the chops to write a romance with HK-47 or Shale. That is, if they wrote them as they should be. Death and game over for the player character. I want a romance with Henpecked Hou at the end of which his wife comes, murders me and chop off his dick
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2024 21:26:19 GMT
BG3 did well with finding a balance between the different audiences they wanted to appeal to, the setting and world building, and how those things would affect gameplay. I hand it to them for being able to do what they did and leave completely unscathed, with tons of money in their pockets to invest into their next big hit. But for me, it's not the end and be-all for RPGs and how to implement some '' woke '' things like diversity. I still think DA:I is the closest to perfect to my standards and personal taste, which is why Veilguard going backwards sucks. Despite that, I'd say BG3 is a good standard for most RPGs, but absolutely not all rpgs. BG3 certainly has some issues. But what really makes it stand out is how much freedom it gives the player. There are multiple paths to solving pretty much any quest. There are "good" and "evil" options. Unique dialogue for race, class, and background choices. Basically, the game doesn't pigeonhole you into being the kind of hero the writers think you SHOULD be. With four different dialogues all saying the same thing with slightly different tones.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2024 21:30:17 GMT
Neither BG3 nor The veilguard are good Bioware games, that's for sure Correct. Veilguard is not a good game, and BG3 is not a Bioware game
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 13, 2024 21:31:03 GMT
I like that they wrote in some wilder romances in SWTOR but then sadly immediately dumped them lol.
I haven't actually gotten through Act 3 of BG3 but I have for Veilguard, but I think that's more to do with the last few hours of the game being streamlined. Like "yeah okay just go to the end now".
I liked dealing with Gale's hubris in a romance (yes I'm one of the few Gale defenders) but maybe I'm spoiled now from feeling like romance arcs had story behind it. That said when I last tried to play Origins (when it didn't crash) I was apparently romancing Alistair in like 5 minutes so maybe it's a return to the classics lol.
I was playing through on my Warden and I keep trying to be generous to Taash but then they start an argument with Emmrich...by not respecting his identity and refusing to use his name. I wish we could've called them out on that properly but heaven forbid Rook pick sides.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 21:31:19 GMT
Neither BG3 nor The veilguard are good Bioware games, that's for sure Correct. Veilguard is not a good game, and BG3 is not a Bioware game Yet there are games I think are much closer to peak Bioware that are not made by Bioware
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Post by grallon on Nov 13, 2024 21:33:11 GMT
A bit of hilarity for all the ME lovers here: Sheppard & Co experience "Ze Veilguard"
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2024 21:36:55 GMT
There was also the problem that he never really took no for an answer in my play-through when it came to the romance department. For example, I told him to "have fun at the party" and he suddenly thought we were in a romance and kept telling me he thought I felt the same a couple of times, even after I said no and was in other romances. Then in conversations he would ask to join in threesomes with the companions I was romancing, probably a bug but it left a very skeevy impression in my mind. I finally had to tell him: “If I wanted to rut with half a tonne of dumb muscle, I'd seduce a deep rothe”He finally got the point then, but he had the nerve to say 'You needn't be so blunt about it"
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2024 21:38:54 GMT
A bit of hilarity for all the ME lovers here: Sheppard & Co experience "Ze Veilguard" I'm wondering if ME5 will end up boosting sales for Exodus the same way Veilguard did for BG3
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2024 21:45:09 GMT
I haven't seen that. Did that seductive dream lover look like a desire demon from DAO/DA2? If so, I would def have preferred that to stay that way. No. You were asked at character creation about your ideal lover, who you could make as a second character, and who would then appear in your dreams as the tadpole's incarnation. It was a nicely evil twist I must say. I've never seen anything like it in an RPG. I was really disappointed when I found out they changed it.
I believe specifically, the CC asked Who do you dream of?"
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2024 21:48:46 GMT
I guess I'm in the minority, I actually liked Wyll and thought he was good dude, but all over the place in early access. I think he mostly suffers from not having enough content personally. Meanwhile, I couldn't stand Gale. Finally somebody else who cannot stand Gale, yes! The way he talks is so annoying to me. I also dislike his voice. He's a decent character, his personality is just so ugh, shut up. I'm tempted to do a Gale run sometime just because I think I can be a better Gale than Gale
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 13, 2024 21:51:56 GMT
Also I liked the dream lover they had in the early access version much better than the Guardian that replaced it. What a twist. You have a tadpole in your head and it appears as a seductive dream lover and rewards you with wet dreams if you give in to it. That would've been a compelling reason to play someone going down the tadpole route. I wonder why they changed that.
Yet another thing that would make heads explode at present-day Bioware I'm sure. I recall one early reviewer saying it was cringe that BG3 made you design your dream lover. I also imagine some aro/ace people may have disliked their PC needing to have a dream lover at all. Mind, I'm a big proponent that artists should just tell the story they want to tell and damn the fans. Can't please everyone anyway.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 21:52:21 GMT
A bit of hilarity for all the ME lovers here: Sheppard & Co experience "Ze Veilguard" This is so well made... Not everything is funny there but they sound exactly like Thier characters
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Post by Biotic Commando on Nov 13, 2024 21:53:53 GMT
No. You were asked at character creation about your ideal lover, who you could make as a second character, and who would then appear in your dreams as the tadpole's incarnation. It was a nicely evil twist I must say. I've never seen anything like it in an RPG. I was really disappointed when I found out they changed it.
I believe specifically, the CC asked Who do you dream of?" They REALLY should have kept that
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Post by grallon on Nov 13, 2024 21:55:09 GMT
This is so well made... Not everything is funny there but they sound exactly like Thier characters AI generated apparently - impressive.
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 13, 2024 22:08:29 GMT
I understand that. Having a hook for your imagination pulls you into the story more easily, and makes your character stick. I had a great deal of fun with my BG3 characters, but I've already forgotten all of their their names but one because nothing intrinsically linked them to the story. Meanwhile, I remember at least four of my DAO characters by name after 15 years, plus their motivations for the decisions they made. Fascinating how people differ. [...] For me, it's all about motivations. When I am asked to make decisions, I need to know why I make them, and if a protagonist background gives me enough ground for my imagination to build on, I can easily find motivations, and if I then make a decision based on that, they become part of the character and that character becomes more real. Here are examples:
Eorlin Amell preserved the Circle because he thought mages deserve better (and because he had friends in there). Safira Tabris preserved the Circle because she didn't want to support the Templar oppressors. Sharn Cousland preserved the Circle because he met Morrigan (he started as a good little Andrastian, but then Morrigan happened) Marada Aeducan preserved the Circle because she thought mages would be more valuable in the fight against the Blight.
The main problem I have with DAV in this regard is that it does not give me enough interesting decisions to start thinking about motivations, and the backgrounds do not give me enough ground for making motivations for the few decisions I can make. Place 1 or Place 2? Does it even matter unless you're with one of the related factions? Who dies? Doing anything but the best you can would be utterly insane, but there is no reason to choose companion 1 over companion 2 since they are both competent. How Neve will change? Why am *I* making that decision, that is hers. If it is a consequence of my earlier decisions, I shouldn't even be asked. Basically DAV asks me to make decisions based only on how I feel about them, and that is not enough.
With regard to BG3, I haven't played a Durge because I have a hard time playing evil that is not rooted in expediency and pragmatism. It is a challenge I might take up one day. And if you play any other character, you basically have to make up a whole backstory from nothing. It doesn't help that most decisions come down to simplistic good vs. evil (emphasis on simplistic). And finding compelling motivations for the evil choice is harder than one might think in BG3. As opposed to, say, the decision about DAO's Anvil of the Void.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 13, 2024 22:09:04 GMT
Playing Human Noble origin now. Having fun just talking to NPCs in Ostagar. I actually found some I never talked to before. They are all cool What do you need to play DAO on present-day hardware? I heard it's difficult to get to run, and my last run was 2017. Assuming you've already purchased Origins, I would suggest downloading a repack online. I've purchased Origins multiple times so I don't feel guilty doing it, and the game ran like butter (even after I added dozens of mods).
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 13, 2024 22:10:29 GMT
Straight out of the horse's mouth "nobody likes being a woman". Holy shit. The hate. I'm really surprised they've gotten away with this shit. You put any other group there besides men and it's a big can of 'ism and 'ist that they never recover from. The fact that nobody seems to be talking about this line is a deeply depressing statement on the culture itself. The boob/ass slider and the Brock Lesnar jaws all make sense when you look at it from the perspective of someone who hates women.
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 13, 2024 22:14:31 GMT
What do you need to play DAO on present-day hardware? I heard it's difficult to get to run, and my last run was 2017. Assuming you've already purchased Origins, I would suggest downloading a repack online. I've purchased Origins multiple times so I don't feel guilty doing it, and the game ran like butter (even after I added dozens of mods). I have DAO Ultimate on Steam. I doubt my physical copy from 2009 would even install. But what is a repack?
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Post by grallon on Nov 13, 2024 22:18:03 GMT
I have DAO Ultimate on Steam. I doubt my physical copy from 2009 would even install. But what is a repack? A cracked copy.
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