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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 28, 2024 7:13:14 GMT
This is all killing me. I'm so disgusted with the writing but I have FOMO this time and want to be part of the crowd playing this "masterpiece", if only to share my absolute horror, lol. So I'll probably be paying 60€ to hate play DAV, somebody make it stop!
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Post by akrabra on Oct 28, 2024 7:24:52 GMT
This is all killing me. I'm so disgusted with the writing but I have FOMO this time and want to be part of the crowd playing this "masterpiece", if only to share my absolute horror, lol. So I'll probably be paying 60€ to hate play DAV, somebody make it stop! This Is my Winds of Winter. Been waiting so long that I just have to play It, even If It ends up being a dud. Lets go!
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Post by yarus on Oct 28, 2024 7:36:17 GMT
Oh so they're finally defanging the Qunari *Grabs popcorn* They really should change the name from taash to trash to fit the dialogue. The vid linked is the direct result of a very specific vocal minority whining and crying for 12+ years about not getting playable Qunari - while selectively ignoring the existence of playable Tal Vashoth/Vashoth and Iron Bull's and Tallis's questlines. In the case of Tallis, it's idealism unique to the Viddathari - of converts that haven't yet been "broken in" yet - that borders on delusional, and in the case of Bull's questline, ffs the entire point of his character arc is a choice: a choice to be an adventurer acting in defense of Southern Thedas, or an enemy of it. And Trespasser doubled down on that by removing any ambiguity about what was the "good" choice versus the evil one. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Ben-Hassrath_Reeducatorsdragonage.fandom.com/wiki/QamekIf this video is representative of what the writers are doing with the Qun in DA4----ffs. This is breaking the setting to pander to a vocal vocal and very obnoxious minority of "fans" who ignored 3 games of the writers telling the audience how Orwellian and threatening the Qunari are. This Is my Winds of Winter. Been waiting so long that I just have to play It, even If It ends up being a dud. Lets go! Please reconsider - or at least wait until the inevitable DLC comes out in '25. I say this as someone who's right there with you in waiting for this game for damn near 10 years - don't reward the devs with your money. This is a trainwreck in slow motion.
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Post by fraggle on Oct 28, 2024 7:41:23 GMT
I... don't mind the dialogue so much, it's what 10 lines, the choice display is odd I guess, but maybe it feels different when playing the scene in full. So is that supposed to be a child qunari Taash speaks to? And Sten brought back the idea of cookies to the qunari? If it's a child qunari I don't find the dialogue that off, if it's not... Oh well. What bothered me a bit more to be honest is Rook's voice, that sounded a bit awkward. But even if DAV is only mediocre, I will still play it with an open mind. Did the same with MEA. If I don't end up liking it, I will play the older titles forever (I am already obsessed with MET anyway, so I don't need new games ).
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 28, 2024 7:54:25 GMT
Oh so they're finally defanging the Qunari *Grabs popcorn* Sorry I just burst out laughing when I saw the pop up that went with this conversation. Way to go to push the modern message about the benefits of multi-culturism. Forget the gender controversy, this one takes the biscuit for imposing real world ideology on a fantasy setting where it doesn't belong. It even beats Cassandra asking why my Lavellan can't be flexible enough over gods to include the Maker in their pantheon and then in JoH it turns out that is exactly what Ameridan did.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 28, 2024 8:01:49 GMT
Rook sounds just as bad in that clip. Possibly worse with sing songy “sooooooo the DRaGoN HuNtER hAS a sOftEr SIdE”. And the stupid quippy line following it.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 28, 2024 8:03:54 GMT
Oh so they're finally defanging the Qunari *Grabs popcorn* Sorry I just burst out laughing when I saw the pop up that went with this conversation. Way to go to push the modern message about the benefits of multi-culturism. Forget the gender controversy, this one takes the biscuit for imposing real work ideology on a fantasy setting where it doesn't belong. It even beats Cassandra asking why my Lavellan can't be flexible enough over gods to include the Maker in their pantheon and then in JoH it turns out that is exactly what Ameridan did. Yeah. It aren't the best. Like I don't mind the overall dialogue as a random chit chat. But this is not a talk of much substance here so the choice and pop up ...please. No.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 28, 2024 8:24:51 GMT
"And then we engineered the genophage to manage their reproduction rate." "Poopyhead."
- You discussed the moral implications of the genophage with Mordin.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 28, 2024 8:26:47 GMT
But this is not a talk of much substance here so the choice and pop up ...please. No. I have a feeling the pop ups in DATV are going to be meme'd like crazy. I had accepted the fact they were included to help the neuro-diverse understand and process what is going on but this example was really out of place and unnecessary. They're just having a chat about Taash's background but suddenly Rook is making meaningful social commentary. Sorry, no, please stop.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 28, 2024 8:34:44 GMT
But this is not a talk of much substance here so the choice and pop up ...please. No. I have a feeling the pop ups in DATV are going to be meme'd like crazy. I had accepted the fact they were included to help the neuro-diverse understand and process what is going on but this example was really out of place and unnecessary. They're just having a chat about Taash's background but suddenly Rook is making meaningful social commentary. Sorry, no, please stop. Yep like have a invisible point system that counts how you've been supportive of Taash who's Tal Vashoth btw. It's possible she's from a group of Quanri who stopped answering to Par Vollen for some time. Taash mom send her to feed their peers. I wonder if we'll get the cliché Taash mom death. Or how have been against it. This is just so gamey and weird and I hope they'll patch the pops up and we'll get a toggle to make them go away.
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Post by helios969 on Oct 28, 2024 8:44:17 GMT
Short leaked footage involving Taash It's a link to a video, nothing in the spoiler box itself. Just thought I should anyway. But ma'am, this dialogue is giving me hives. Maker, that dialogue killed brain cells! There goes any lingering doubts I had on holding off on purchasing! Oooo-weee, if that is representative of the writing, dialogue delivery, and lip-synching...this game is going to get crushed...no matter how fantastic the combat may be. Just like Andromeda....except because of MEA and Anthem it isn't going to sell 5M copies and keep Bioware on life-support. At this point maybe it would be best to pull the plug.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 28, 2024 9:07:17 GMT
Somebody from RPG Codex is reviewing it, it's RPG codex so ...No comment. But yeah...I hope some thing are handled way better than they claimed. I'm just going to post the mechanics reviews. Keep in mind RPG Codex will trash DATV no matter what. Beware language. Anyway, point is, it's woke as fuck. Now, that's all well and good but it gets a lot worse because regardless of political and ideological agendas, if we're looking at this game from a purely mechanical perspective it still reeks. I can't give you an example of a single mechanic I enjoyed. The "crafting" is laughable, itemization is horrible, character builds and progression are meaningless and the combat is the worst offender. It's beyond simplistic with every class and sub-class feeling largely the same. The enemies all feel the same too and the only difficulty the game provides stems from enemies having an absurd amount of health making a lot of fights a real slog. New enemies appear out of nowhere, attacking you in waves. You may think you're going up against three darkspawn, but nah, have fun grinding down these six waves of teleporting cunts that'll never kill you but take ten minutes to finish off.
The absolute worst part of combat is the way the "party" works. You don't have a party, not really. Mechanically, it works like a retarded card deck builder. You see, your two companions are immortal (they have no health bars) and aren't targeted nearly as much by enemies in battles like yourself - they're mostly ignored and do little damage besides. Instead, they only serve one real purpose in battles: for you to use their abilities. They can have three equipped at a time (as can you), and these ability cards are the only stuff that does any significant damage. You're supposed to figure out combos, but there's nothing to figure out. Use ability X to give an enemy the effect Y, then use ability Z that does extra damage against enemies affected by Y. It's banal at best. Moreover, all these abilities come with a cooldown - a cooldown they fucking share, meaning once you use one all three go on cooldown (there's a few exceptions to this) - which means you'll spend most of your time simply auto-attacking and dodging enemies whilst waiting for the cooldown to end.
I could go on and on and on, but I won't (I've an actual review to make before the embargo lifts). This game is an utter mess and anyone giving it a positive review can never be taken seriously again.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 28, 2024 9:19:16 GMT
Oooo-weee, if that is representative of the writing, dialogue delivery, and lip-synching...this game is going to get crushed...no matter how fantastic the combat may be. Just like Andromeda....except because of MEA and Anthem it isn't going to sell 5M copies and keep Bioware on life-support. At this point maybe it would be best to pull the plug. If only... Veilguard is the most preordered game on Steam now, I believe. People REALLY want another fantasy RPG. Doesn't matter if the writing is worse than MEA, this drivel will sell millions and EA will be happy, laughing all the way to the bank. And these delusional BioWare writers think they did a good job and will repeat that level of quality work with ME5. *shudders* Seriously, what happened to people like Weekes? Isn't he the one who wrote Taash?? Fucking hell, like invasion of the body snatchers or something... At this point I hope DAV is so bad it's funny. Like those trash movies we all watched that were so unbelievably bad that we had a good time laughing our asses off. MEA was sad bad to me, maybe DAV will be the most entertaining train wreck we've ever played. Right? RIGHT?!
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 28, 2024 9:34:43 GMT
Oooo-weee, if that is representative of the writing, dialogue delivery, and lip-synching...this game is going to get crushed...no matter how fantastic the combat may be. Just like Andromeda....except because of MEA and Anthem it isn't going to sell 5M copies and keep Bioware on life-support. At this point maybe it would be best to pull the plug. If only... Veilguard is the most preordered game on Steam now, I believe. People REALLY want another fantasy RPG. Doesn't matter if the writing is worse than MEA, this drivel will sell millions and EA will be happy, laughing all the way to the bank. And these delusional BioWare writers think they did a good job and will repeat that level of quality work with ME5. *shudders* Oh, come now. Surely you cannot wait to trade verbal jabs with Liara!
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Post by fraggle on Oct 28, 2024 9:42:47 GMT
Ugh, don't remind me Liara is in it... I'm more scared for ME5 than I could ever be for DAV.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 28, 2024 9:48:02 GMT
Seriously, what happened to people like Weekes? Isn't he the one who wrote Taash?? Fucking hell, like invasion of the body snatchers or something... He is and enormous Taash spoiler beware. Taash is sort of Krem 2.0. Yep.
Now why does anybody think I want to deal with gender or sex dysphoria during a bloody apocalypse I'll never know.
I like Taash design, but I'm already bored to tear about her/his/their (?) arc.
Also thanks a bunch finally getting our first female Qunari companion. Who doesn't want to be female.
Anyway...we shall see how it's done.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 28, 2024 10:07:24 GMT
Bioware is notorious to change course, something too much. While some of the changes were due to criticism received in combination of overall a negative reception, sometimes it wasn't.
I don't think NME will be a carbon copy of DAV even if the latter is successful enough, and I do think they might listen to criticism in certain fields.
However, even if they don't, and DAV turns out to be a horrible experience for me, I don't wish the studio to shut down. I don't wish to anyone to lose their job, so I guess I'll simply go on to ignore their games or check them post-launch to see how good/bad they are.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 28, 2024 10:11:45 GMT
Seriously, what happened to people like Weekes? Isn't he the one who wrote Taash?? Fucking hell, like invasion of the body snatchers or something... He is and enormous Taash spoiler beware. Taash is sort of Krem 2.0. Yep.
Now why does anybody think I want to deal with gender or sex dysphoria during a bloody apocalypse I'll never know.
I like Taash design, but I'm already bored to tear about her/his/their (?) arc.
Also thanks a bunch finally getting our first female Qunari companion. Who doesn't want to be female.
Anyway...we shall see how it's done.
Still not reading spoilers, I want the true horror to unfold in real time, but thanks!
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 28, 2024 10:14:11 GMT
By the way, the summary of a review was leaked on Opencritic (8.5).
It's overall very positive, but it did highlight a dip in terms of roleplaying.
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