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Post by Gileadan on Oct 11, 2020 10:49:37 GMT
I've never understood why using the inquisitor (or hawke or warden, by the way) as PC can't be a choice. There are a few difficulties with returning protagonists. 1. Game progression. At the end of any given Dragon Age game, the protagonist has generally reached the maximum level available and got all the skills/spells. There would have to be an explanation why the returning protagonist is down to the same starting power level as the other possible origins. Sure, you could have the Inquisitor lose their memory or maybe they die and are brought back to life by a shady organization of templar fanatics and then have to run missions for them instead of the Inquisition... but that works maybe once or twice. 2. Story progression. What about any romances the protagonist might have had in the previous game? Do we assume they ended so the protagonist can boink someone else in the new game? Do we bring all the old romanceable characters back? What amount of resources should be spent on this? A series of games that features the same protagonist is just a bit of a different setup than a series that features a new protagonist and companions every time. I'm not opposed to the Inquisitor returning. I wouldn't pick it, but I understand some people would love it and I heartily support their wish. But it would cause some difficulties as noted above. I'm not saying that they can't be overcome, but they do exist.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 11, 2020 11:23:58 GMT
I've never understood why using the inquisitor (or hawke or warden, by the way) as PC can't be a choice. There are a few difficulties with returning protagonists. 1. Game progression. At the end of any given Dragon Age game, the protagonist has generally reached the maximum level available and got all the skills/spells. There would have to be an explanation why the returning protagonist is down to the same starting power level as the other possible origins. Sure, you could have the Inquisitor lose their memory or maybe they die and are brought back to life by a shady organization of templar fanatics and then have to run missions for them instead of the Inquisition... but that works maybe once or twice. 2. Story progression. What about any romances the protagonist might have had in the previous game? Do we assume they ended so the protagonist can boink someone else in the new game? Do we bring all the old romanceable characters back? What amount of resources should be spent on this? A series of games that features the same protagonist is just a bit of a different setup than a series that features a new protagonist and companions every time. I'm not opposed to the Inquisitor returning. I wouldn't pick it, but I understand some people would love it and I heartily support their wish. But it would cause some difficulties as noted above. I'm not saying that they can't be overcome, but they do exist. 1. The inquisitor lost his arm. It is a serious impairment for a fighter. It would be quite realistic for him to have to learn everything (or almost everything) all over again. 2.it's up to you, like in ME2. Do you want to remain faithful to your old lover? Ok. A couple of letters, maybe a scene where they reunite towards the end of the game. Do you want to find a new and better one? Here are the new candidates.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 11, 2020 11:27:44 GMT
i agree that it's difficult, but aren't we suppose to overcome difficulties? I mean, we are in 2020, next gen..
The rpg are stucked to 2020 for what concerns "importing choices from previous games".
It's time to try something more ambitious. And who better than bioware?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 17:06:16 GMT
It's a question of resources. From the points I've outlined I think allowing both Inquisitor and new backgrounds as options for the PC would be prohibitively expensive and take too much time. Time that could be spent in other parts of the game.
I'm not opposed to the Inquisitor appearing or even being playable in specific parts of the game, but I can't see Bioware agreeing to spend so much on an optional PC background. If a goal is to entice new players to the game, as makes business sense, it wouldn't be cost effective to devote so much time to an Inquisitor background which most new players probably wouldn't choose.
And pessimistically, they need to learn to walk before they can run. DAI, MEA and Anthem have all shown the limitations in Frostbite and how much work it's taken Bioware just to do the basics. I don't want them to bite off more than they can chew. I'd rather the game be smaller but more detailed than doing as much as they can but badly.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 11, 2020 19:00:03 GMT
Btw,I loved the return of hawke, I really enjoyed it, from personalizing him to talking to him.
It gave me a lot of tension and fear that by making wrong choices Hawke could have died (in the end the choice was clear but I was anxious anyway). I don't know about the other versions, but the aggressive-pro Templar Hawke was very faithful to my old hawke. He did/said nothing that "my" hawke would have never done or said. maybe he was not perfect, but not even during Da2 hawke always said / did EXACTLY what I would have liked him to do / say. Not even the inquisitor. The Warden much more.... but this is the weak point of dubbing, on the other hand.
I hope in a similar thing also in DA4, maybe with the return of the inquisitor.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2020 19:24:35 GMT
Btw,I loved the return of hawke, I really enjoyed it, from personalizing him to talking to him. It gave me a lot of tension and fear that by making wrong choices Hawke could have died (in the end the choice was clear but I was anxious anyway). I don't know about the other versions, but the aggressive-pro Templar Hawke was very faithful to my old hawke. He did/said nothing that "my" hawke would have never done or said. maybe he was not perfect, but not even during Da2 hawke always said / did EXACTLY what I would have liked him to do / say. Not even the inquisitor. The Warden much more.... but this is the weak point of dubbing, on the other hand. I hope in a similar thing also in DA4, maybe with the return of the inquisitor. I’m glad your Hawks was faithful to how you played them, but mine was a complete bastardization of mine. They couldn’t have failed worse if they tried. And if they can’t nail down even more simple protagonists like Hawks, I have no faith that trying to handle a more nuanced one like the Inquisitor will end in anything but an insulting disaster.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2020 19:25:17 GMT
Btw,I loved the return of hawke, I really enjoyed it, from personalizing him to talking to him. It gave me a lot of tension and fear that by making wrong choices Hawke could have died (in the end the choice was clear but I was anxious anyway). I don't know about the other versions, but the aggressive-pro Templar Hawke was very faithful to my old hawke. He did/said nothing that "my" hawke would have never done or said. maybe he was not perfect, but not even during Da2 hawke always said / did EXACTLY what I would have liked him to do / say. Not even the inquisitor. The Warden much more.... but this is the weak point of dubbing, on the other hand. I hope in a similar thing also in DA4, maybe with the return of the inquisitor. The "auto-dialogue" works so far for my second Hawke, but it definitely did not work for my first Hawke. Probably the biggest reason that I don't want any return of the Inquisitor to work the same way is because I choose the "save-our-friend-from-himself" option and I don't want my Inquisitor to be stuck in the save-Solas-no-matter-what-he's-done corner in the fourth game. For example, she has deal-breakers that would impact how she feels about him. Also, given that she romanced him, there's also how the developers would interpret their relationship, such as how she'd act including in any scenes that they might have together or even if she's just talking about him. It could really break her character and make any cameo go from something fun and meaningful to something that I'd hate. If the Inquisitor has a presence, Hawke-sized or otherwise, in the fourth game, I really hope it is player-controlled because you can't capture nuance through auto-dialogue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 20:02:54 GMT
Which are all reasons why it's best to just send the Inquisitor to Codex-land with the Warden.
Speaking of approaches to companions that just won't work but might be nice: I've always wanted them to go all in with conditional companions. And I feel like Tevinter would be a great place to do it. Imagine arriving in Seheron and finding that there are three different ways to go through that questline: supporting Tevinter, where you'd get a Tevinter general to join; supporting the Qunari, where you'd get a member of the Antaam to join; or liberating Seheron, where you'd get a Fog Warrior to join. I imagine that there'd be a few companions where you get them regardless (like the starting companions and maybe one or two more that make sense regardless of your decisions) and then 2-3 questlines that led to different party members depending on your choices. It could really add replayability. Of course, that would just be too resource heavy that I doubt we'd get it without those companions being reduced in role. They were barely able to pull it off in ME3 with Kaidan/Ashley and that was just one choice. But still, I'd love to see that in a future game. Unlikely as it is.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 11, 2020 20:05:33 GMT
They couldn’t have failed worse if they tried. what kind of hawke was your hawke? I guess it was paragon/honorable hawke. I've notice that bioware lately has great difficulty in writing honorable, polite, "good" characters, they make them poor whiny morons. A mainly paragon Shepard in Me1&2 was super ok, but in Me3 I had to switch to mostly renegade dialogue because they were the only ones where he didn't seem an emotionally unstable shy schoolgirl. IMO they are much better at writing tough and aggressive characters, or funny/sarcastic ones. Or maybe you're Hawke didn't fit because of his/her mages sympathies?
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Post by Frost on Oct 11, 2020 20:17:40 GMT
Which are all reasons why it's best to just send the Inquisitor to Codex-land with the Warden. That would be the most OOC way they could possibly handle my Inquisitor in DA4. Detroit: Become Human let you select dialogue for multiple pcs, so could DA4. Here is an example that was previously posted:
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 11, 2020 20:19:27 GMT
They couldn’t have failed worse if they tried. what kind of hawke was your hawke? I guess it was paragon/honorable hawke. I've notice that bioware lately has great difficulty in writing honorable, polite, "good" characters, they make them poor whiny morons. A mainly paragon Shepard in Me1&2 was super ok, but in Me3 I had to switch to mostly renegade dialogue because they were the only ones where he didn't seem an emotionally unstable shy schoolgirl. IMO they are much better at writing tough and aggressive characters, or funny/sarcastic ones. Or maybe you're Hawke didn't fit because of his/her mages sympathies? Aren't all full Paragon Shep playthoughs from ME1 to ME3 emotionally unstable schoolgirls?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 11, 2020 20:21:54 GMT
Which are all reasons why it's best to just send the Inquisitor to Codex-land with the Warden. That would be the most OOC way they could possibly handle my Inquisitor in DA4. This. There is no way my Inquisitor would take a back seat to dealing with the Solas issue. Absolutely, positively NEVER.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2020 20:36:41 GMT
They couldn’t have failed worse if they tried. what kind of hawke was your hawke? I guess it was paragon/honorable hawke. I've notice that bioware lately has great difficulty in writing honorable, polite, "good" characters, they make them poor whiny morons. A mainly paragon Shepard in Me1&2 was super ok, but in Me3 I had to switch to mostly renegade dialogue because they were the only ones where he didn't seem an emotionally unstable shy schoolgirl. IMO they are much better at writing tough and aggressive characters, or funny/sarcastic ones. Or maybe you're Hawke didn't fit because of his/her mages sympathies? I'll have a stab at answering that, as well, if you don't mind. My first Hawke was the kind of character you describe: overall, she was a polite and kind sort with a touch of self-sacrifice. This scene is one of the major problems Hawke volunteers to sacrifice herself against the Nightmare Demon (who she, for some reason, thinks is Corypheus) and she continue to insist on being the one to do, even when Stroud wants to do it, for, well, vengeance/responsibility. My first Hawke was a kind-hearted person who was willing to put her life in danger for others, however, she was not any of the following: - She was not the sort to be the first to volunteer to die in a situation. - She was not the sort to continue to insist after someone else volunteered - She was not the sort to volunteer when she had people (Carver and Fenris) that she wanted to see again - She was not the sort to be motivated by vengeance ("Corypheus is mine!") It's a scene that works for my second Hawke only because he actually wants to die (doing something good) after he basically lost everything including Anders (whom he killed) and became convinced that even his sister would be better off without him. His line ("Corypeus is mine!") doesn't make sense because it's just an excuse: a way for him to pretend to himself that his death isn't just be a glorified suicide. I remember another major problem being the argument(s) between her and Stroud.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 11, 2020 21:29:56 GMT
I guess it was paragon/honorable hawke. Nope. Purple. Blood mage who romanced Merrill. Notice the issue here? And I had purple in DAI, i. e. could have been taken as simply trolling. Not being able to move three meters without whining about blood magic was still annoying A.F. As of now, I'm running a Hawke who is quite reddish (main is still purple as of now) and squeezes every last copper coin out of certain people when actually having time for their BS, but still treats the (few) people she likes with some sort of respect, even if that includes an occasional green/blue line if it makes sense in terms of RP. Oh, and she's again a blood mage. Though since she's going to romance someone else for a change, she treats Merrill as a 'lil sis instead. Perhaps that's her way to deal with Bethany's death. I've notice that bioware lately has great difficulty in writing direct or pragmatic characters, they make them universally obnoxious jerks who are jerks for sake of it.FTFY A mainly renegade Shepard in Me1 was super ok, but in Me2/3 I had to switch to mostly mixed paragade dialogue because they were the only ones where he didn't seem an emotionally unstable universal jerk (or utterly braindead racist TIM-tool).FTFY as well. Though to be fair, sometimes ME3 flips the alignment around, with humanity #1 BS rhetoric being assigned to paragon. That's why even my most diplomatic Shepards tend to punch Khalisah al-Jilani, even if she otherwise defeated her rhetorically in previous encounters. IMO they are much better at writing tough and aggressive characters, or funny/sarcastic ones. Depends on what is being made fun of for me. As for "tough", it equals mostly "jerk". Or maybe you're Hawke didn't fit because of his/her mages sympathies? Oh, how dare I'm not playing a Meredith bootlick. Looking at the keep default, it makes even less sense to "default" Hawke to being a templar sympathiser at least, as... well, just look at the final choice. Aren't all full Renegade Shep playthoughs from ME1 to ME3 emotionally unstable psychopatic killers? FTFY
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Oh, and last but not least... for some the mage rebellion is Hawke's business. Corypheus might queue up behind that. Dying to spider demon doesn't make much sense in either case and is therefore not even on the list.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 11, 2020 21:37:21 GMT
I guess it was paragon/honorable hawke. Nope. Purple. Blood mage who romanced Merrill. Notice the issue here? And I had purple in DAI, i. e. could have been taken as simply trolling. Not being able to move three meters without whining about blood magic was still annoying A.F. As of now, I'm running a Hawke who is quite reddish (main is still purple as of now) and squeezes every last copper coin out of certain people when actually having time for their BS, but still treats the (few) people she likes with some sort of respect, even if that includes an occasional green/blue line if it makes sense in terms of RP. Oh, and she's again a blood mage. Though since she's going to romance someone else for a change, she treats Merrill as a 'lil sis instead. Perhaps that's her way to deal with Bethany's death. I've notice that bioware lately has great difficulty in writing direct or pragmatic characters, they make them universally obnoxious jerks who are jerks for sake of it.FTFY A mainly renegade Shepard in Me1 was super ok, but in Me2/3 I had to switch to mostly mixed paragade dialogue because they were the only ones where he didn't seem an emotionally unstable universal jerk (or utterly braindead racist TIM-tool).FTFY as well. Though to be fair, sometimes ME3 flips the alignment around, with humanity #1 BS rhetoric being assigned to paragon. That's why even my most diplomatic Shepards tend to punch Khalisah al-Jilani, even if she otherwise defeated her rhetorically in previous encounters. IMO they are much better at writing tough and aggressive characters, or funny/sarcastic ones. Depends on what is being made fun of for me. As for "tough", it equals mostly "jerk". Or maybe you're Hawke didn't fit because of his/her mages sympathies? Oh, how dare I'm not playing a Meredith bootlick. Looking at the keep default, it makes even less sense to "default" Hawke to being a templar sympathiser at least, as... well, just look at the final choice. Aren't all full Renegade Shep playthoughs from ME1 to ME3 emotionally unstable psychopatic killers? FTFY
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Oh, and last but not least... for some the mage rebellion is Hawke's business. Corypheus might queue up behind that. Dying to spider demon doesn't make much sense in either case and is therefore not even on the list.
That's why I never played full on paragons (who are giant p🤬🤬ies), and Renegades (who are just 'meh').
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 21:53:50 GMT
Which are all reasons why it's best to just send the Inquisitor to Codex-land with the Warden. Speaking of approaches to companions that just won't work but might be nice: I've always wanted them to go all in with conditional companions. And I feel like Tevinter would be a great place to do it. Imagine arriving in Seheron and finding that there are three different ways to go through that questline: supporting Tevinter, where you'd get a Tevinter general to join; supporting the Qunari, where you'd get a member of the Antaam to join; or liberating Seheron, where you'd get a Fog Warrior to join. I imagine that there'd be a few companions where you get them regardless (like the starting companions and maybe one or two more that make sense regardless of your decisions) and then 2-3 questlines that led to different party members depending on your choices. It could really add replayability. Of course, that would just be too resource heavy that I doubt we'd get it without those companions being reduced in role. They were barely able to pull it off in ME3 with Kaidan/Ashley and that was just one choice. But still, I'd love to see that in a future game. Unlikely as it is. For such branching choices, however, I think the game would need to be relatively short. Something like Tyranny where there are four main paths that have mutually exclusive content, but any one path isn't as long as a typical RPG. It would be way too resource-intensive to have a DAI or DAO with branching pathways for the entire game. Redcliffe or Therinfall is only one quest, choosing between dwarven kings is the resolution of a singular quest line. Supporting Tevinter, Qunari or Seheron independence would be very ambitious.
I like the idea, but also how would that resolve in future games? Would all three divergent pathways end in the same conclusion? Would we necessitate moving far afield in DA5 so the variance in outcomes is seen only in codex and not the game world? I love DA2 but was very frustrated that the end result of siding with mages or templars effectively made no difference in DAI. I would be annoyed if I chose to side with the fog warriors only to have Seheron fully in control of Tevinter or the Qunari in the next game.
That would be the most OOC way they could possibly handle my Inquisitor in DA4. This. There is no way my Inquisitor would take a back seat to dealing with the Solas issue. Absolutely, positively NEVER. I don't understand why the Inquisitor not being the PC means they would be taking a back seat. As the leader of the shadow inquisition the Inquisitor would be able to accomplish much more than as a field agent (aka DA4 PC). Just because we would not play as the Inquisitor doesn't mean they're ignoring Solas. They would just be using a different method of countering him than going on fetch quest after fetch quest to level up and face him in a boss fight.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2020 21:56:59 GMT
This. There is no way my Inquisitor would take a back seat to dealing with the Solas issue. Absolutely, positively NEVER. I don't understand why the Inquisitor not being the PC means they would be taking a back seat. As the leader of the shadow inquisition the Inquisitor would be able to accomplish much more than as a field agent (aka DA4 PC). Just because we would not play as the Inquisitor doesn't mean they're ignoring Solas. They would just be using a different method of countering him than going on fetch quest after fetch quest to level up and face him in a boss fight. That different method being "sitting on their ass while others do all the work." Yeah, that's totally not taking a back seat.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2020 22:00:36 GMT
They couldn’t have failed worse if they tried. what kind of hawke was your hawke? Diplomatic personality, sided with the mages at the end (though was more in line with wanting to protect any innocent person), friendly romanced Merrill, liked the Chantry and Grey Wardens, etc. And then comes DAI Hawke, an aggressive jerk who doesn't help for months, constantly gripes about the Wardens, and calls all blood mages monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 22:01:25 GMT
I don't understand why the Inquisitor not being the PC means they would be taking a back seat. As the leader of the shadow inquisition the Inquisitor would be able to accomplish much more than as a field agent (aka DA4 PC). Just because we would not play as the Inquisitor doesn't mean they're ignoring Solas. They would just be using a different method of countering him than going on fetch quest after fetch quest to level up and face him in a boss fight. That different method being "sitting on their ass while others do all the work." Yeah, that's totally not taking a back seat. So a general is sitting on their ass doing nothing while a grunt is the one who wins the war?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2020 22:07:58 GMT
That different method being "sitting on their ass while others do all the work." Yeah, that's totally not taking a back seat. So a general is sitting on their ass doing nothing while a grunt is the one who wins the war? The Inquisitor was a general who fought on the front lines alongside the grunts. In comparison to that, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 22:17:40 GMT
So a general is sitting on their ass doing nothing while a grunt is the one who wins the war? The Inquisitor was a general who fought on the front lines alongside the grunts. In comparison to that, yes. Granted there is some story/gameplay segregation, but I did not see the Inquisitor as the one who directed the movement of the Inquisition; I saw Cassandra and the advisors as the leaders who had already come to 3 possible outcomes and asked the Inquisitor to choose which one to pursue. It's a flaw of video games, but at no point did I feel like I as the Inquisitor made a decision that wasn't already vetted by the senior members of the Inquisition. Heck, prior to finding Skyhold, the Herald of Andraste was technically a political prisoner given a long leash.
The Inquisitor not being the PC in DA4 means that Bioware can write them as being the one who makes these decisions and tactics and strategies rather than choosing between three choices already laid out. I think it would actually make the Inquisitor appear a stronger leader by removing the PC gameplay restriction.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2020 22:25:08 GMT
The Inquisitor was a general who fought on the front lines alongside the grunts. In comparison to that, yes. Granted there is some story/gameplay segregation, but I did not see the Inquisitor as the one who directed the movement of the Inquisition; I saw Cassandra and the advisors as the leaders who had already come to 3 possible outcomes and asked the Inquisitor to choose which one to pursue. It's a flaw of video games, but at no point did I feel like I as the Inquisitor made a decision that wasn't already vetted by the senior members of the Inquisition. Heck, prior to finding Skyhold, the Herald of Andraste was technically a political prisoner given a long leash.
The Inquisitor not being the PC in DA4 means that Bioware can write them as being the one who makes these decisions and tactics and strategies rather than choosing between three choices already laid out. I think it would actually make the Inquisitor appear a stronger leader by removing the PC gameplay restriction.
That still has the issue of the main events. Yes the Inquisitor used the War Table for smaller things, but what of the major ones? They didn’t leave it to others when it came to getting the Mages or Templars, or sealing the Breach, or holding off Corypheus at the Balle of Haven, or stopping the Wardens being used to get a demon army, or the prolifically battlefield of Orlais, or the final assault on Corypheus’s forces in the Arbor Wilds, or stopping him at the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Let alone other imports things, like the companion or DLC quests. Now if DA4 did a dual protagonist system where new person does small scale things while Inquisitor is played in similar major events against Solas, sure I have no issue with that. But if they don’t get involved in those and still leave it to the new person, then yes they are sitting on their ass doing nothing.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 11, 2020 22:48:32 GMT
I guess it was paragon/honorable hawke. Oh, and last but not least... for some the mage rebellion is Hawke's business. Corypheus might queue up behind that. Dying to spider demon doesn't make much sense in either case and is therefore not even on the list.
Mmmm it depends. My hawke was bored and disgusted by the magician-templary issues, he would have preferred to stay out of it but - since they pulled him in by force - he chose to side with the established power, the status quo (mainly for selfish reasons, keep his wealth and titles). Maleficarum, blood mage.. not the best of people, anyway. So... for him it makes sense not giving a damn about the question of the templar mages (already solved by the inquisitor) and focuses on the REAL global threat. I suppose that if Hawke is a sort of paladin of the mage cause.. things are diffirent. Still, dealing with corypheus make sense in any case. What is the worst case scenario of the Templar Wizards war? Many wizards dead and imprisoned? Well, no good, but we can fin that. The worst case scenario of the corypheus threat is... the end of the world. Better to focus on corypheus first. Finally, Hawke ready to sacrifice.. Why not. The survival of the inquisitor is crucial. If the Inquisitor dies there, everyone Hawke loves will die. The world will end. Hawke will die later too. Hawke (mage or warrior, pro mage or pro templar) is in any case a brave, indomitable fighter, what should he have said? "inquisitor, please send the warden to die, I would like to survive". Maybe he hopes so, but he certainly can't say it. Brotherhood, honor, camaraderie. A cowardly and pussillanimous hawke would not be acceptable.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 11, 2020 23:35:12 GMT
That's why I said for some. Besides, the mage-templar conflict is quickly waved away before Corypheus is properly unveiled anyway... especially compared to all the build-up we got beforehand... Justinia's Inquisition Foundation Decree (or whatever its name is) wasn't issued to deal with a threat she saw in the future. She wanted a new army to replace the templars and SoT's who have gone AWOL and use that army to do whatever to end all the inconvenient ruckus. Oh, and one does not simply stay neutral when Meredith (or any Chantry bigwig, really) has an opinion about something. Finally, Hawke ready to sacrifice.. Well, we have some senior wardens there as well.
"inquisitor, please send the warden to die, I would like to survive". "I want to make Corypheus my responsibility, not Icky Spider Demon." A cowardly and pussillanimous hawke would not be acceptable. Depends when the cowardlyness comes up, eh? Spider Demon borders on senseless sacrifice for drama reasons (Stroud as a GW whom precious few have an attachement to isn't there for nothing). My take? Tons of people were overly attached to their Wardens when DA2 came out and went to hate their Hawke, so Bioware gave a chance to kill Hawke off.
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Post by Solas on Oct 12, 2020 0:10:21 GMT
DA4 companions? DA4 companions!
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