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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 16, 2020 18:49:33 GMT
Bioware brings characters back the fans want, like Varric, Leliana and Cullen. This isn´t false but its more accurate to say Bioware brings characters back they like. The ship is sailed on Varric but i really hope that Leliana and Cullen (especially after Ellis situation) won´t come back.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 16, 2020 19:06:09 GMT
The ship is sailed on Varric but i really hope that Leliana and Cullen (especially after Ellis situation) won´t come back. I shouldn't worry about that. Cullen has too many variables for them to bring him back. They've maintained that they would never do a Leliana again and bring someone back who could potentially be dead (or as good as if Harding didn't mercy kill the poor wretch that Cullen became if you didn't get him off lyrium). As for Leliana, they specifically said she was training up Charter and Harding to be her replacements. Which is why I have to admit I found it a surprise to have Varric implying that he is going to play a significant role in the next game: "I've got your back". However, TN did say that he was playing some sort of role against Solas from his base in Kirkwall, so I'm hoping that is all that he meant. Charter was the principle link with the Inquisition in the books and comics, which is why I thought that would make Harding the contact in the game. It certainly can't be Charter as Solas has clearly marked her card and apparently easily managed to infiltrate her supposedly "secret" meeting. However, we may find that was a ruse, so he is focused on Charter whilst Harding stays off his radar doing the really important stuff. It would make sense that they are working as a team like that, seeing as Leliana trained both of them as her successors. It would also match with their previous roles for the Inquisition. Charter mostly stayed in one place as a contact for that area, whereas Harding moved around constantly scouting out the country for us. She would certainly be more experienced to fulfill the role of the operative out in the field (as a companion) as opposed to just an advisor/contact. Harding is also popular with at least some of the writers, so that is another point in her favour.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 16, 2020 19:24:12 GMT
I shouldn't worry about that. I am well aware what you are saying and know that they won´t come back as major characters but i don´t want them to appear at all. So no Leliana (even as Divine) and Cullen for a DA 4 cameo. I also wish that Alistair won´t get a cameo. Well they won´t bring characters back when they are getting killed on screen or if this scene is pretty clear and not uncertain.
For example Bioware still can bring characters like Sten if looked in the cage and Calpernia back. Wasn´t Harding a favourite of Mike Laidlaw?
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 23, 2020 9:34:41 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 23, 2020 12:26:45 GMT
I agree they could write a very interesting new take on returning characters. However, with Varric promising "I've got your back", I'm not entirely sure they are going to do this. I got the sense that it will be Varric as your indispensable buddy once again whether you want that or not. Still may be we are going to be able to be a bit more antagonistic to him if we want, which will be a pleasant surprise. Perhaps he is going to be like Charter in the latest comic series and end up blackmailing us to work for the shadow Inquisition, which would be in keeping with his more shady side. Let's face it, Hawke didn't have much choice about getting involved in his schemes either and Varric just decided for them that they were the one he wanted for the job. He is also rather good at keeping stuff to himself if it suits his purposes that you only discover after the event, so there is potential for some antagonism between him and the new PC. I've always felt that the most dynamic background to give us would be that of a slave for the very reason you could have definite issues with some characters, like Dorian and Maevaris, the latter of whom has definitely not abandoned the concept of slavery and, like Dorian in DAI, has previously seen nothing wrong with it. (According to TN Dorian has now freed his slaves as a result of the influence of someone in the south). However, my Lavellan definitely had some strong views about slavery and why they felt he was wrong but Dorian was always given the last word on the issue in which he justified his original stance on the matter, which is why I did find it a pleasant surprise that apparently his time in the south had changed his viewpoint. I still don't see there is any reason for Alistair to be involved again. He only played a cameo in DA2 and DAI depending on the choices you made in DAO. I know he featured in DG's comic series but that story is done and to be honest bringing Alistair back on the basis of some peculiar blood-line (that made no real sense and contradicted history when the Qun didn't arrive until after Calenhad so how did they know about him anyway?) would just unduly complicate matters. I would expect to see Morrigan again because she has a definite involvement with the over-arching plot via Flemeth. I always felt she was holding out on me as Inquisitor, so I wouldn't expect it to be any different for a new PC. As for threats to people's faith in those in power and Chantry teaching, I doubt anything that Divine Victoria does is going to impact much if we are predominantly in Tevinter, apart from perhaps the clergy there pointing to the fact that it is the southern Chantry that repeatedly changes their stance on issues, whilst the northern Imperial Chantry has always been consistent, or something similar. If no one was unduly disturbed by the revelations in DAI, or successfully explained them away in their own mind, then I doubt we are going to encounter anyone with a crisis of faith in the southern Chantry now we are going north. However, once again, may be I shall be pleasantly surprised. May be our lowly character will be allowed to state the fact that it is these contradictions that explain why they don't believe in anything either Chantry professes. I hope so. It would be nice to be allowed an opinion that is not the Chantry line and not be patronised over it. Number one, how does the Imperial Chantry condone slavery when Andraste specifically fought to free the slaves? I love someone to come up with reason that doesn't just state "political expediency".
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 23, 2020 17:17:57 GMT
I agree they playing to save. They don't use the potential of there Keep and there stories. Maybe they will now. I hope more like DAO and more free playing and not force playing. To see the world in different light more gray would be good.
they aren't always companions, but i lke to discuss it here. returning Characters: Varric (NPC) and Solas are confirmed. Dorian is in tevinter, so i hope we will see him as NPC. LOF let me think of Isabella and the underwater concept art, but with the new teaser i don't know. Connor, Bevin and the prisoner are interessting for me, because of our choice. We have many returing characters in DAI. So i think we will get that this time as well, but not as companions. They have get them self a hard time with the end of DLC the Inquisitor resolves to find people Solas doesn't know. to complete:
Varric (Inqusition) = 3rd Act I forgot Zevran (I know he can be killed, but his story is Interesting. For my understanding of lifeservice= replayable it would help, not to play save. Bring him back, but only in the world state were he llives. So if you want to know what happend, you have to get the right world state. The story of him and the crow isn't over.)
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 23, 2020 17:55:19 GMT
I doubt anything that Divine Victoria does is going to impact much if we are predominantly in Tevinter, apart from perhaps the clergy there pointing to the fact that it is the southern Chantry that repeatedly changes their stance on issues, whilst the northern Imperial Chantry has always been consistent, or something similar. I hope and think that we will hear a lot about Victoria but only in dialogues or text. If Bioware decides do a Victoria they have to bring all Victorias back. So Leliana, Cassandra or Vivienne maybe also the two non Divines.
So we would have 6 scenes with normal Leliana, Divine Leliana (dialog changes if she soften or harden), normal Cassandra, Divine Cassandra, normal Vivienne and Divine Vivienne. I am sorry but i really don´t want Leliana in DA 4 also i would much prefer if Bioware focus more on the Black Divine.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 23, 2020 18:56:01 GMT
So we would have 6 scenes with normal Leliana, Divine Leliana (dialog changes if she soften or harden), normal Cassandra, Divine Cassandra, normal Vivienne and Divine Vivienne. I am sorry but i really don´t want Leliana in DA 4 also i would much prefer if Bioware focus more on the Black Divine. That's an awful lot of resources to expend on something that is likely not that important to the outcome. I am sure we are only going to hear about Divine Victoria from codices and possibly the conversation of others but no actual direct dialogue with them. The only one of them who might appear is Cassandra if not Divine and decides the reform the Seekers regardless of what you tell her to do. If involved with the Seekers (which in fact is still the case if she is Divine) then she is meant to be active in the Hunterhorn Mountains which is pretty close to Kal-Sharok, if we are going there. However, they could equally use a new character as a messenger on her behalf, which would remove the need to have the VA back if the Seekers are only going to be involved in a small way. I would far rather they focus on the Black Divine too. I am intrigued to know if he is going to be an ally or antagonist. Maybe that will depend on our choices.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 23, 2020 19:30:30 GMT
That's an awful lot of resources to expend on something that is likely not that important to the outcome. I am sure we are only going to hear about Divine Victoria from codices and possibly the conversation of others but no actual direct dialogue with them. The only one of them who might appear is Cassandra if not Divine and decides the reform the Seekers regardless of what you tell her to do. If involved with the Seekers (which in fact is still the case if she is Divine) then she is meant to be active in the Hunterhorn Mountains which is pretty close to Kal-Sharok, if we are going there. However, they could equally use a new character as a messenger on her behalf, which would remove the need to have the VA back if the Seekers are only going to be involved in a small way. I believe that the most common Divine would be Cassandra. I believe they use her as the Canon (not using the Keep) Divine. Like fade survivor (Alistair, Loghain, Stroud or Femhakwe, Male Hawke) if you use one of them you have to bring all back back. So you can´t do Cassandra as Divine and then left out Leliana and Vivienne.
So i really don´t want that the Fade Survivor, Divine Victoria, the ruler of Orzammar / Orlais / Ferelden appear in a cameo. I mean Anora in DAI was just lazy. Only 2 minutes and then gone plus a less unique character design.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Dec 24, 2020 0:46:30 GMT
With regards to Victoria appearances, I would prefer they keep her out as much as possible regardless who it is. I guess a vague mention in passing is possible, but anything hinting at their policies would already need to be split into three to acknowledge choices, for what I think is only a minor gain, since we are heading north and hopefully getting new stuff to see. I also think that Leliana and even Cass had more than enough screentime.
I mean Anora in DAI was just lazy. Only 2 minutes and then gone plus a less unique character design.
Don't forget the pale readhead who claimed to be Alistair...
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 24, 2020 15:15:31 GMT
Don't forget the pale readhead who claimed to be Alistair... Well atleast he had the same english voice actor unlike languages. I am not kidding but changing Alistair´s german voice actor was one of the worst in DA 2 if you play it in german.
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