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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 12, 2020 2:49:58 GMT
The only two companions we know we're getting is Belarra (the probable dwarf) and Davrin the Warden. Patrick Weekes has stated that all of that is concept mood art, so to go on about any one of the depictions outside of the voice acted ones are probably an action of futility. Welp, this pretty much saves me the trouble.
Thanks random poster. I won't be obsessing over what everyone is saying on this thread now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 2:59:58 GMT
The only two companions we know we're getting is Belarra (the probable dwarf) and Davrin the Warden. Patrick Weekes has stated that all of that is concept mood art, so to go on about any one of the depictions outside of the voice acted ones are probably an action of futility. Welp, this pretty much saves me the trouble.
Thanks random poster. I won't be obsessing over what everyone is saying on this thread now. I wouldn’t go with that either, to be honest. We just know that there are characters named Davrin who has a British accent and is a Warden based on his dialogue and Bellara who has an American accent and talks about ‘good rumbling’. We don’t know if they are companions nor what their races are. Everything in this thread is speculation.
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Post by phoray on Oct 24, 2020 13:36:02 GMT
DA4 companions? DA4 companions! Enchantment? enchantment!
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 25, 2020 10:13:18 GMT
Which are all reasons why it's best to just send the Inquisitor to Codex-land with the Warden. That would be the most OOC way they could possibly handle my Inquisitor in DA4. Detroit: Become Human let you select dialogue for multiple pcs, so could DA4. Here is an example that was previously posted: But without timelimit.
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 25, 2020 10:15:35 GMT
That would be the most OOC way they could possibly handle my Inquisitor in DA4. This. There is no way my Inquisitor would take a back seat to dealing with the Solas issue. Absolutely, positively NEVER. But that is what the end of dlc said. Inquisition and inquisitor back seat.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 25, 2020 12:32:17 GMT
This. There is no way my Inquisitor would take a back seat to dealing with the Solas issue. Absolutely, positively NEVER. But that is what the end of dlc said. Inquisition and inquisitor back seat. I'm not sure what happened in your game, but in mine, literally the last words out of the Inquisitor's mouth right before the credits rolled were, "We will save our friend from himself, if we can." That, to me, implies that they will be personally involved in the effort to stop whatever he plans to do. But this isn't the right thread for this discussion, so that's all I'll say about it here.
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Post by warden on Oct 25, 2020 16:20:43 GMT
Having a warden companion in the next DA could blueball me hard, imagining that I can play as a warden of the main branch (aka a Weisshaupt warden) makes me wet. Only to me of course.
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Post by ClarkKent on Oct 25, 2020 17:01:35 GMT
I still need to have a Warden companion that's going through The Calling. I want some Thane in ME3 style pain in my veins please.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 25, 2020 19:25:00 GMT
But that is what the end of dlc said. Inquisition and inquisitor back seat. I'm not sure what happened in your game, but in mine, literally the last words out of the Inquisitor's mouth right before the credits rolled were, "We will save our friend from himself, if we can." That, to me, implies that they will be personally involved in the effort to stop whatever he plans to do. But this isn't the right thread for this discussion, so that's all I'll say about it here. Not trying to continue the conversation, but they either say what you put if you choose Redeem and if you choose Stop they say something like “We will stop Solas, no matter what.” Definitely not a statement of taking a backseat. Then there are the Inquisitor saying things like “I’m off to save the world, again” and of course the Inquisition featuring heavily in the comics and books since then and yeah there’s no way they are taking a backseat. As for the Inquisitor themselves, they might apparently but that’s blatant character assassination for the sake of some stupid arbitrary rule BioWare set for themselves of new character every game.
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Post by kalreegar on Oct 26, 2020 10:16:03 GMT
Then there are the Inquisitor saying things like “I’m off to save the world, again” and of course the Inquisition featuring heavily in the comics and books since then and yeah there’s no way they are taking a backseat. As for the Inquisitor themselves, they might apparently but that’s blatant character assassination for the sake of some stupid arbitrary rule BioWare set for themselves of new character every game. I believe that dragon age 4 should involve all the 3 old heroes and some of the old companions (if alive). As in Me3, everyone should give their contribution, be committed to some extent. The very existence of the world is at stake here. It makes no sense for old heroes to stay at home, or be engaged in some stupid subquest that can easily wait. I mean, they are they forces of nature, people who kill old gods, old magisters, high dragons in avalanches... in the battle that will decide the fate of the world, are they in Amaranthine/denerim/Kirkwall to idle? The fact that the warden has not act against Corypheus makes little sense IMO (but whatever, okay, let's say it was very very far from the places of events, and anyway Cory was identified later - haven assault - and after that, he was defeated in a relatively very short time). But now it's different. The inquisitor knows about Solas and the threat. The Divine knows it. The leaders of the Inquisition knows it. FOR YEARS. There is no way that people like the Warden, Hawke, Alistair (if king or warden), and some of the old companions who maintain contact with them, are not contacted and somehow start to act against Solas
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2020 18:09:51 GMT
But now it's different. The inquisitor knows about Solas and the threat. The Divine knows it. The leaders of the Inquisition knows it. FOR YEARS. There is no way that people like the Warden, Hawke, Alistair (if king or warden), and some of the old companions who maintain contact with them, are not contacted and somehow start to act against Solas The thing is they are actively involved in the quest to stop him but behind the scenes. I assume this is the reason for the constant references to the Inquisitor, the shadow Inquisition and people connected with that organisation in both the comics and Tevinter Nights. I think the main issue is whether that will be the focus of the new PC (assuming there is one) from the beginning of DA4 or whether they will be carrying on in their own personal story to begin with and only get recruited to help with the search for Solas later. The latter seems more likely. Essentially the new PC is unaware of the impending doom at first and only discovers it over time. Meanwhile the Inquisitor and team have been actively working behind the scenes putting together the pieces that will allow them to mount an effective counter to the Dread Wolf and once they have a better picture of how this can be achieved, that may be when they approach the new PC for help.
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Post by yogsothoth on Oct 26, 2020 23:31:09 GMT
I'm just going to ignore this becoming another "Inquisitor as PC" thread.
It saddens me deeply that it seems that the only potential representation from Rivain seems to be a Lord of Fortune. For a game about both the Tevinter-Qunari War and the Veil/Spirits/Elves, I would rather have a Rivaini Seer companion to discuss their view of current events. They could talk about Rivain's relationship with the only other major pro-magic society (ignoring the Mortalitassi which seems to be mostly a nobles-only group). There's also the potential for Rivain's relationship being strained with the rest of Thedas since the Chantry annulled their Circle for their traditional religious practices as well as their relationship with the Qunari since Rivain hosts the only Qunari settlement on mainland Thedas. Then there's also the Spirit side of things with the Seers' positive relations with Spirits and what that means for Solas.
If we're only getting one dwarf again, I hope it's an Ambassadoria dwarf that explores the relationships between dwarves, Tevinter, and other groups like the Chantry, Kal-Sharok, etc. Don't waste this one spot on Harding.
If a Grey Warden is a companion, I hope they do something with them figuring out Blight Magic, and working that in with the Red Lyrium Idol.
I hope that if an Executor is a companion, they don't end up wasting the mystery and intrigue of them like they did with the Red Jennies.
I'm not really looking forward to the likely Antivan Crow companion. The Crows are boring as a faction, we've already had Zevran, and I don't see any big reveals coming from them.
I'd also enjoy the perspective of an Ancient Elf that was a follower of one of the other Evanuris besides Solas/Mythal or the Forgotten Ones and a Tevinter noble non-mage and what they deal with/what measures they take to try to get approval from their family and Tevinter noble society in general, such as becoming a Spirit Warrior to try to emulate magic.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 27, 2020 19:08:15 GMT
It saddens me deeply that it seems that the only potential representation from Rivain seems to be a Lord of Fortune. For a game about both the Tevinter-Qunari War and the Veil/Spirits/Elves, I would rather have a Rivaini Seer companion to discuss their view of current events. They could talk about Rivain's relationship with the only other major pro-magic society (ignoring the Mortalitassi which seems to be mostly a nobles-only group). There's also the potential for Rivain's relationship being strained with the rest of Thedas since the Chantry annulled their Circle for their traditional religious practices as well as their relationship with the Qunari since Rivain hosts the only Qunari settlement on mainland Thedas. Then there's also the Spirit side of things with the Seers' positive relations with Spirits and what that means for Solas.I'm sad that the introduction of the Lords of Fortune, a group we have never previously heard of in 3 games despite having at least one companion from Rivain, and giving them such an involvement in both the stories and Tevinter, suggests that if we have a companion from Rivain it is going to be a LoF rather than a Rivaini Seer. I've been longing to meet one ever since it was revealed that there is an alternative magical tradition up there that is clearly very ancient indeed. As you say, there would have been so much interesting lore to be revealed. I think the part in bold could even be why the Rivaini Seers are going to be quietly forgotten about because their positive attitude to spirits would be an effective counter to Solas' influence on them.
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Post by yogsothoth on Nov 11, 2020 23:50:57 GMT
It saddens me deeply that it seems that the only potential representation from Rivain seems to be a Lord of Fortune. For a game about both the Tevinter-Qunari War and the Veil/Spirits/Elves, I would rather have a Rivaini Seer companion to discuss their view of current events. They could talk about Rivain's relationship with the only other major pro-magic society (ignoring the Mortalitassi which seems to be mostly a nobles-only group). There's also the potential for Rivain's relationship being strained with the rest of Thedas since the Chantry annulled their Circle for their traditional religious practices as well as their relationship with the Qunari since Rivain hosts the only Qunari settlement on mainland Thedas. Then there's also the Spirit side of things with the Seers' positive relations with Spirits and what that means for Solas.I'm sad that the introduction of the Lords of Fortune, a group we have never previously heard of in 3 games despite having at least one companion from Rivain, and giving them such an involvement in both the stories and Tevinter, suggests that if we have a companion from Rivain it is going to be a LoF rather than a Rivaini Seer. I've been longing to meet one ever since it was revealed that there is an alternative magical tradition up there that is clearly very ancient indeed. As you say, there would have been so much interesting lore to be revealed. I think the part in bold could even be why the Rivaini Seers are going to be quietly forgotten about because their positive attitude to spirits would be an effective counter to Solas' influence on them. Yeah, I'm already sour towards them as a faction. I already detest how consistently the magical side of Dragon Age keeps getting swept under the rug so the boring stuff can take the spotlight once again. That a Lord of Fortune is probably supplanting a Seer in what will probably be the game that would be the best fit for one just makes it worse. It seems that "hope" will be a major theme for DA4 like "faith" was for Inquisition. Hope for the elves (ancient, city, and Dalish), hope for the slaves of Tevinter, hope for the Lucerni to redeem and bring reform to Tevinter, etc. Just have the Seer possessed by a Spirit of Hope, and the rest practically writes itself. Bring hope to the elves of Tevinter and the Dalish by bringing them to the settlement Rivain already created for them in Llomerryn. Help out the Tevinter-Qunari War by using their previous neutrality and current status as the only welcoming nation to the Qunari to broker peace. Help out the Lucerni by gifting them potential knowledge given to them by Spirits. Stop Solas by disrupting his Spirit Army and Elf Army in one fell swoop since they want to help both Spirits and Elves. Since the potential for the Seer in all of these plotlines and themes is so high, I would even make them the hyper-important companion of the game a la Morrigan and Solas. Of course, all of this is meaningless since Bioware would rather wipe their ass with potential and just make another Whedon-esque, "quirky" character that a Lord of Fortune will inevitably be.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 17, 2020 6:10:20 GMT
I have been musing even more of late if we do get another spirit companion this time. How much would that throw Solas if there is a spirit that joins us to stop him of their own free will? Bonus points if that spirit used to be bound.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2020 7:12:37 GMT
I have been musing even more of late if we do get another spirit companion this time. How much would that throw Solas if there is a spirit that joins us to stop him of their own free will? Bonus points if that spirit used to be bound. Probably not much. I can see a lot of spirits going against Solas. Cole for example does even if made back into Compassion. So some based off virtues might be against him. I can also see demons actually helping Thedas against Solas, even if only for selfish reasons.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 17, 2020 19:00:48 GMT
Cole for example does even if made back into Compassion. I'm not sure about Cole because he still has a lot of sympathy for Solas and was the only follower who approved if you said you wanted to save him the first time, after confronting the Viddasala. He said he would return when needed but it wasn't exactly clear by whom? However, I do think that many benign spirits would oppose Solas, partly because him raising the Veil probably harmed spirits indirectly and so what will be the case when he drops it again? Also, spirits of Justice would oppose him for the sake of all those people who didn't deserve to have their world turned upside down, spirits of Valour would approve of those brave enough to take him on and I could see a spirit of Hope definitely trying to help save the modern races from him. I don't think we should assume all spirits would be on his side based off the Mortalitasi's tale in Tevinter Nights. After all, those spirits were attacking alongside the Dread Wolf against people who had engaged in blood magic sacrifice on a major scale, were guilty of binding spirits and were endangering the world by meddling with powers they didn't understand So support for the Dread Wolf in that instance was wholly justified. That doesn't mean they would continue to do so.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 17, 2020 19:38:20 GMT
I have been musing even more of late if we do get another spirit companion this time. How much would that throw Solas if there is a spirit that joins us to stop him of their own free will? Bonus points if that spirit used to be bound. Well i think that we all can agree that the female Qunari and the Mortalitasi are too cool and unique to be cut as DA 4 companion.
So yeah "Ghostrider" or Morti is our next spirit / something companion.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 17, 2020 19:58:05 GMT
The only two companions we know we're getting is Belarra (the probable dwarf) and Davrin the Warden. Patrick Weekes has stated that all of that is concept mood art, so to go on about any one of the depictions outside of the voice acted ones are probably an action of futility. What is "concept mood art"?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2020 19:59:51 GMT
The only two companions we know we're getting is Belarra (the probable dwarf) and Davrin the Warden. Patrick Weekes has stated that all of that is concept mood art, so to go on about any one of the depictions outside of the voice acted ones are probably an action of futility. What is "concept mood art"? Concept art designed to capture the mood of the game, rather than specific characters/plots/locations/etc.
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Post by ClarkKent on Nov 17, 2020 20:11:59 GMT
Maybe Ghostrider guy is an Executor with the mask off.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 17, 2020 20:58:35 GMT
Maybe Ghostrider guy is an Executor with the mask off. Maybe Ghostrider could be everything but let´s be real that thing comes from the Mortalitasi.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 18, 2020 0:32:07 GMT
From the BioWare Stories and Secrets from 25 Years of Game Development book thread Caption: "From their Necropolis, the Mourn Watch guard Thedas from occult threats So it seems like ghostrider might not just be mortalitasi related, but Mourn Watch related specifically.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 5, 2020 9:41:04 GMT
How about "Balefire" for the green-flamed Spirit/Mortalitasi guy?
From an Old English word meaning either a funeral or sacrifical pire, often used in witch rituals. Would be appropriate for a spirit working for the Mortalitasi and a nice play on the Veilfire that either engulfs or is his face?
(Or is it the other way around and Veilfire derives it's name from the dev's making a pun?)
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2020 9:54:57 GMT
I'm sad that the introduction of the Lords of Fortune, a group we have never previously heard of in 3 games despite having at least one companion from Rivain, and giving them such an involvement in both the stories and Tevinter, suggests that if we have a companion from Rivain it is going to be a LoF rather than a Rivaini Seer. I've been longing to meet one ever since it was revealed that there is an alternative magical tradition up there that is clearly very ancient indeed. As you say, there would have been so much interesting lore to be revealed. I think the part in bold could even be why the Rivaini Seers are going to be quietly forgotten about because their positive attitude to spirits would be an effective counter to Solas' influence on them. Yeah, I'm already sour towards them as a faction. I already detest how consistently the magical side of Dragon Age keeps getting swept under the rug so the boring stuff can take the spotlight once again. That a Lord of Fortune is probably supplanting a Seer in what will probably be the game that would be the best fit for one just makes it worse. It seems that "hope" will be a major theme for DA4 like "faith" was for Inquisition. Hope for the elves (ancient, city, and Dalish), hope for the slaves of Tevinter, hope for the Lucerni to redeem and bring reform to Tevinter, etc. Just have the Seer possessed by a Spirit of Hope, and the rest practically writes itself. Bring hope to the elves of Tevinter and the Dalish by bringing them to the settlement Rivain already created for them in Llomerryn. Help out the Tevinter-Qunari War by using their previous neutrality and current status as the only welcoming nation to the Qunari to broker peace. Help out the Lucerni by gifting them potential knowledge given to them by Spirits. Stop Solas by disrupting his Spirit Army and Elf Army in one fell swoop since they want to help both Spirits and Elves. Since the potential for the Seer in all of these plotlines and themes is so high, I would even make them the hyper-important companion of the game a la Morrigan and Solas. Of course, all of this is meaningless since Bioware would rather wipe their ass with potential and just make another Whedon-esque, "quirky" character that a Lord of Fortune will inevitably be. I don’t mind the LoF, the opposite actually, but I do agree that I’d prefer a Rivaini Seer to a Rivaini LoF for a companion slot. The Seers are still an unexplored part of the lore and I’d really like to have one in the spotlight to explain more about that. One thigh to keep in mind, even if it’d be best to not expect this to happen, is that the LoF could’ve been very well introduced beforehand in Tevinter Nights to set up the background of the main character, and not a companion. It is seems to me a mostly neutral-ish organization, that would work well for the protagonist, to make them part of something that doesn’t lean too heavily on certain sides or opinions or issues, so that we can shape them freely. Granted, they can repeat the DAO scenario, and the LoF isn’t the only organization to work for a background for the DA4 PC, but it’s still something to keep in mind. The brief summary about DA4 and the mention of the protagonist being an ‘unlikely’ hero also works well with a LoF background for the protagonist, in my opinion.
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