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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2020 20:47:06 GMT
They don't like adding former LIs as returning companions. Also how would Isabela work for the theme of powerlessness? She's an Admiral of pirates. Well she's not someone Magister's would have over for dinner. Someone able and willing to commit any sort of illegal activity with no way to trace it back to them unless they want? Someon's whose most famous heist involved screwing over the Qun? She's exactly the kind of someone many magisters would have over for dinner.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2020 20:50:14 GMT
You see if this is the final line up then where is Davrin (okay may be he isn't a companion) and where are the dwarf character(s)? None of them seem to fit. Also if my theory is correct and the tall central figure among the living people is a placeholder for the PC, then there is no obvious archer character, yet we seem agreed that there is a dwarf lady archer shown in the other picture. Leaving out Skellington, then from left to right they are: small petite female who probably a mage (human/elf?); qunari female warrior/rogue/mage?; rogue male character (human/elf?); PC; Shotgun male/female human/elf (too leggy for dwarf); Crow assassin (male/female, warrior/rogue); Tall guy - human/hornless qunari, male - warrior/mage So it cannot be an accurate representation because there are no dwarves.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 20:51:14 GMT
It’s shy I’m so certain that the Qunari lady and the Veilfire Face are both in. I also agree that these characters are in. Maybe their personalities changes like Varric who was first writen as a sleazy
and untrustworthy character but writers changed this because they needed a character who stand up for Hawke with all the opposing personalities in the party.
Veilfire Face (Mortalitasi mage or creature?) is too cool to throw this character concept away
and a female qunari companion is something unique. Also like a female dwarf (this has to be Harding) and like i said on page 1
its time that Bioware will make their first transgender companion.
So Maevaris Tilani (Bioware Passion Project), Lace Harding (DAI bridge character and female dwarf), female Qunari and Veilfire Face / Mortalitasi. Maybe also Calpernia because Bioware really likes her.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 30, 2020 20:53:16 GMT
I could see Isabela showing up (especially if we go to Rivain/Antiva/Llomerryn) as part of a quest, but I doubt she'll be a companion again. And I wouldn't want her to be, honestly. I love her but I'm all for getting to know new characters. And she's been in the comics, she was the poster girl for Heroes of Dragon Age for a while, she was in multiplayer... she's giving Varric a run for his money lol.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 20:57:19 GMT
I could see Isabela showing up (especially if we go to Rivain/Antiva/Llomerryn) as part of a quest, but I don't she'll be a companion again. I think we can rule every previous companion who was also a romance because Bioware don´t like the idea to bring them back as companion. But as Advisor or Major NPC no problem.
Edit: Or if they have a big title / position as leader from something (Varric as Vicomte, Vivienne as potential divine or Sten as new Arishok)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2020 20:58:39 GMT
It’s shy I’m so certain that the Qunari lady and the Veilfire Face are both in. I also agree that these characters are in. Maybe their personalities changes like Varric who was first writen as a sleazy
and untrustworthy character but writers changed this because they needed a character who stand up for Hawke with all the opposing personalities in the party. So no difference from how he ended up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 21:00:14 GMT
Honestly, I’d really love it if we didn’t get a returning companion this time around. I know it’s been tradition with Oghren, then Andrea, then Varric. But I am ready for a new roster of characters. And they’ve created so many interesting characters between the novels and comics that it would be a shame if some of them didn’t show up.
Let’s face it, the reason why we get a returning character is to be a bridge for more casual players. It’s why I’m hoping that Harding can play that role. She wasn’t technically a companion but she was prominent enough that if she showed up in a big role, most DA:I players would say, ‘Oh yeah, I remember that dwarf lady from literally every single introductory cutscene from new areas!’ She’d full the purpose of the returning chars after while still giving us a new plot and backstory to dig into!
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 30, 2020 21:01:42 GMT
I can see these eight being companions what they will actually look like will be in the final product so guessing here they will be mages, warriors etc. as for the other companions of the older DA's I think they will show up as either advisors or in a cameo but heck time will tell
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 21:05:22 GMT
So no difference from how he ended up? You are the alone i know who doesn´t like Varric. Everyone else loves Hawke´s best friend (i personal think Aveline deserves it more but Varric is still a good friend)
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Post by yogsothoth on Aug 30, 2020 21:09:58 GMT
I seriously hope Harding isn't a companion. There's nothing to her character and it seems the only reason people want her back is to romance her, which is pretty poor justification to take up a companion spot. Besides, the returning companions are never written well.
As for the companions, there are obvious factions that will probably be represented: Mortalitasi, Lords of Fortune, Antivan Crows, Grey Wardens, Ben-Hassrath. Skull/fire face is Mortalitasi, Captain Goldbeard is a Lord of Fortune, Lucanis for the Crows (as well as the one book representative a la Cole), likely Davrin for the Grey Wardens, Female Qunari for Ben-Hassrath.
Beyond those, a Dalish elf seems plausible. There's also a slave, Laetan mage, or a Siccari for lower class Tevinter representation. I would hope an Ambassadoria or Kal-Sharok dwarf would be the dwarf companion if we only get one again.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 30, 2020 21:11:51 GMT
Bellara has an American accent, so that's more intriguing. The only cultures with American accents are the qunari and the dwarves. I might be wrong, but I don't believe we've seen any characters with American accents that weren't dwarf or qunari. And, given the nature of both qunari and dwarven culture, I also just don't think we are going to see an example of a human or elf with an American accent. So I tend to think that she's more likely to be either qunari or dwarf. Her voice is reminiscent of a dwarf (like Dagna), but we just haven't seen enough lady qunari to know if some of them have higher voices as well. Dalish Elves only started to have Welsh/Irish accent in DA2, the DAO clans had American accent (although, one of those clans is the DA2 one...the voice actors were replaced).
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 21:13:47 GMT
Honestly, I’d really love it if we didn’t get a returning companion this time around. I know it’s been tradition with Oghren, then Andrea, then Varric. But I am ready for a new roster of characters. And they’ve created so many interesting characters between the novels and comics that it would be a shame if some of them didn’t show up. Let’s face it, the reason why we get a returning character is to be a bridge for more casual players. It’s why I’m hoping that Harding can play that role. She wasn’t technically a companion but she was prominent enough that if she showed up in a big role, most DA:I players would say, ‘Oh yeah, I remember that dwarf lady from literally every single introductory cutscene from new areas!’ She’d full the purpose of the returning chars after while still giving us a new plot and backstory to dig into! Harding is in my opinion the best and for Bioware easiest to write connection character between DAI and DA 4. First Bioware doesn´t like to reuse former romances so Blackwall, Cassandra, Cullen, Dorian, Iron Bull, Josephine,
Leliana, Sera und also Solas are out.
Vivienne could be Divine and it´s highly unlikely that use Varric a third time in a row. The only remaining option that they have is Cole but i doubt that they bring him back.
Cole is difficult to write and he has two different fates.
So only Harding stays and unlike someone like Charter Harding was prominent enough to remember.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 30, 2020 21:23:54 GMT
I also agree that these characters are in. Maybe their personalities changes like Varric who was first writen as a sleazy
and untrustworthy character but writers changed this because they needed a character who stand up for Hawke with all the opposing personalities in the party. So no difference from how he ended up? So no difference from how he ended up? You are the alone i know who doesn´t like Varric. Everyone else loves Hawke´s best friend (i personal think Aveline deserves it more but Varric is still a good friend) To be fair, he is kinda sleazy and untrustworthy. It is just that there are quite some companions who are even less trustworthy than he is in DA2 - actually anyone but Aveline and Merrill, but the latter depends on how biased Hawke is regarding the whole blood magic thing. As for me, he harps a bit too much about faith/supernatural hope in DAI and while I prefer him in DA2, the one time I sided with Meredith for achievements reasons soured me on him quite a bit.
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So only Harding stays and unlike someone like Charter Harding was prominent enough to remember. While I do like the redhead dwarf, I'd agree with the notion that she hasn't got much background; and while Charter is rarely seen, she is some sort of recurring character in DAI and we learn basically nothing about her background in the games (dunno about secondary material), so there's at least potential.
I'm also a bit on the fence as there's really nobody I'm overly excited about except Skellington Skullface, and perhaps lady Qun. I have a deep seated aversion to the Antivan Crows, so I would not want to see another one (unless they go AWOL and start killing their compatriots ) and I'm especially not excited about that Mary Sue called Lucanis DeeeellaaaaaMooooorte (Honestly, name to run away from really fast ) and his attitudes. I'm ususally not someone to harp about "dangers of magic" all day long, but after reading about this guy enabling mass possession for some feeling of venegeance in "The Wigmaker Job"... ugh.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2020 21:28:14 GMT
So no difference from how he ended up? You are the alone i know who doesn´t like Varric. Everyone else loves Hawke´s best friend (i personal think Aveline deserves it more but Varric is still a good friend) To be fair, he is kinda sleazy and untrustworthy. It is just that there quite some companions who are even lest trustworthy than he is - actually anyone but Aveline and Merrill, but the latter depends on how biased Hawke is regarding the whole blood magic thing. As for me, he harps a bit too much about faith/supernatural hope in DAI and while I prefer him in DA2, the one time I sided with Meredith soured me on him quite a bit. Fair enough. After all Aveline and Merrill are the only DA2 companions I actually like. That said I'd argue Fenris is trustworthy, as in he is brutally honest about his views so you at least can trust him to act in certain ways. Same with Sebastian. But yeah Anders, Isabela, and Varric you can only trust them to not be trustworthy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2020 21:28:36 GMT
So only Harding stays and unlike someone like Charter Harding was prominent enough to remember. Besides Solas has got tabs on Charter, so she would be a useless person to have around if they are trying to avoid his notice. Leliana was training up both of them to be her replacement, so Harding could simply be a spymaster advisor, although that role could be Charter and then Harding might be the Inquisition representative out in the field. May be Solas is less likely to remember a dwarf.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 21:29:51 GMT
I seriously hope Harding isn't a companion. There's nothing to her character and it seems the only reason people want her back is to romance her, which is pretty poor justification to take up a companion spot. You can also make the case for DAO Merrill, DAO Isabela and DA 2 Cassandra. Especially DAO Merrill was so bland in DAO that no one has thought that she will be a DA 2 companion. Of course Bioware will flesh out Harding more if she becomes a DA 4 companion and romance. Also in my opinion the DA 4 party needs someone from the Inquisition who represents them. So do you have any better ideas than Harding? I don´t.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2020 21:32:43 GMT
Also in my opinion the DA 4 party needs someone from the Inquisition who represents them. So do you have any better ideas than Harding? I don´t. Any of the comic characters.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 21:40:03 GMT
Any of the comic characters. Well you can´t expect from casual DA players that they have bought the comics. These are like the novels optional. By the way Cole was originally a Asunder / novel character but no one evaluate him as connection character between DA 2 and DAI.
So the connection character has to be someone who was featured prominent to remember in DAI Singleplayer.
Edit: You can make the case for the Multiplayers characters but i really don´t want those back for DA 4 Singleplayer
because i have proudly ignore DAI´s MP so far.
So no Rion, Neria or Thornton as DA 4 companions please.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 30, 2020 21:41:11 GMT
Well she's not someone Magister's would have over for dinner. Someone able and willing to commit any sort of illegal activity with no way to trace it back to them unless they want? Someon's whose most famous heist involved screwing over the Qun? She's exactly the kind of someone many magisters would have over for dinner. A low key hush hush dinner perhaps. I do see your point about romances though, New players would want to romance her, and some old players would still see her as being with Hawkey boy.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 30, 2020 21:45:31 GMT
Honestly, I’d really love it if we didn’t get a returning companion this time around. I know it’s been tradition with Oghren, then Andrea, then Varric. But I am ready for a new roster of characters. And they’ve created so many interesting characters between the novels and comics that it would be a shame if some of them didn’t show up. Let’s face it, the reason why we get a returning character is to be a bridge for more casual players. It’s why I’m hoping that Harding can play that role. She wasn’t technically a companion but she was prominent enough that if she showed up in a big role, most DA:I players would say, ‘Oh yeah, I remember that dwarf lady from literally every single introductory cutscene from new areas!’ She’d full the purpose of the returning chars after while still giving us a new plot and backstory to dig into! I'm happy with this. We're in a new bit of Thedas that's far away from the last bit we were in. I want to see the range of characters reflect that. It's always been very surprising to me that we didn't have an Orlesian companion in DAI given half the game is spent there.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2020 21:45:57 GMT
Any of the comic characters. Well you can´t expect from casual DA players that they have bought the comics. These are like the novels optional. By the way Cole was originally a Asunder / novel character but no one evaluate him as connection character between DA 2 and DAI.
So the connection character has to be someone who was featured prominent to remember in DAI.
Edit: You can make the case for the Multiplayers characters but i really don´t want those back for DA 4 Singleplayers because i have proudly ignore DAI MP. So no Rion, Neria or Thornton as DA 4 companions please.
Casual DA players don't care. Also Anders was the connecting character between DAO and DA2 and he is literally just a DLC character, so hardly a prominent character in DAo since he wasn't even mentioned in that but only featured in an optional DLC.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 30, 2020 21:47:25 GMT
To be fair, he is kinda sleazy and untrustworthy. It is just that there quite some companions who are even lest trustworthy than he is - actually anyone but Aveline and Merrill, but the latter depends on how biased Hawke is regarding the whole blood magic thing. As for me, he harps a bit too much about faith/supernatural hope in DAI and while I prefer him in DA2, the one time I sided with Meredith soured me on him quite a bit. Fair enough. After all Aveline and Merrill are the only DA2 companions I actually like. That said I'd argue Fenris is trustworthy, as in he is brutally honest about his views so you at least can trust him to act in certain ways. Same with Sebastian. But yeah Anders, Isabela, and Varric you can only trust them to not be trustworthy. Yeah, you're kinda right about Fenris. In fact, I had a mage Hawke who did his recruitment quest, but then parted ways with him afterwards, treating it like one of many other jobs, since she did not trust him not to do something funny. Sebastian is... well, he advocates for selling out the party's mages to the templars and that's a line that even Fenris doesn't like to cross. Sure, he's kinda predictable in his adherence to everything the Chantry tells him, but his "nice guy" appearance might fool some people at first. Did not work for me though. Also in my opinion the DA 4 party needs someone from the Inquisition who represents them. So do you have any better ideas than Harding? I don´t. Any of the comic characters. That reminds me... I forgot that I'd like to see Neve Gallus from TN. As far as comics go (though I did not read any) Francesca Invidus. Because of the plants. As I said, I did not read the material featuring her, but I got that her family had Venatori ties. Conflict potential! I'm not sure though how characters from secondary material should be properly introduced. Giving not enough exposition will annoy the non-readers, being too elaborate could make the readers go all "Yawn... I already know everything about them."
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Post by azarhal on Aug 30, 2020 21:52:56 GMT
Also in my opinion the DA 4 party needs someone from the Inquisition who represents them. So do you have any better ideas than Harding? I don´t. The Inquisition doesn't exist anymore. It was officially disbanded or folded into the Chantry. And if Solas knew who Charter was, he knew who Harding was. The ending of Trespasser was clear, they will need people Solas doesn't know. That means the entire party will be people Solas doesn't know. If the party is even linked to the "shadow Inquisition", for all we know the game main plots isn't going to be about stopping Solas. There is an awful lots of red lyrium in all the previews to suggest something way more dark is afoot.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2020 21:55:12 GMT
Also in my opinion the DA 4 party needs someone from the Inquisition who represents them. So do you have any better ideas than Harding? I don´t. The Inquisition doesn't exist anymore. It was officially disbanded or folded into the Chantry. And if Solas knew who Charter was, he knew who Harding was. The ending of Trespasser was clear, they will need people Solas doesn't know. That means the entire party will be people Solas doesn't know. If the party is even linked to the "shadow Inquisition", for all we know the game main plots isn't going to be about stopping Solas. There is an awful lots of red lyrium in all the previews to suggest something way more dark is afoot. The Inquisition still exists, just as a Shadow Inquisition now. We see and hear about them in the comics and Tevinter Nights, all of which take place after Trespasser. That's one reason why the comic characters would be better than Harding. They're still Inquisition, but recruited after he left and the old Inquisition came apart.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 21:57:42 GMT
Also Anders was the connecting character between DAO and DA2 and he is literally just a DLC character, so hardly a prominent character in DAo since he wasn't even mentioned in that but only featured in an optional DLC. First its Anders plus Justice and second unlike smaller DLCs Awakening was as a big expansion pack the next big thing in the series
Many Origins may not bought every DAO DLC but the chance that they have played Awakening is pretty high. Also its part of DAO Ultimate Edition. So yeah you can´t really compare Awakening with the comics.
Also i would argue that DA 2 is unlike Awakening, DAI and what it looks like DA 4 not really a contuining story to DAO.
So we don´t have needed a DAO connection in DA 2 but to lesser extent we have one sorry two. Bodahn and Sandal.
Of course they aren´t companions but for me even as supporting character they count as DAO connection.
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