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Post by yogsothoth on Aug 30, 2020 21:58:24 GMT
I seriously hope Harding isn't a companion. There's nothing to her character and it seems the only reason people want her back is to romance her, which is pretty poor justification to take up a companion spot. You can also make the case for DAO Merrill, DAO Isabela and DA 2 Cassandra. Especially DAO Merrill was so bland in DAO that no one has thought that she will be a DA 2 companion. Of course Bioware will flesh out Harding more if she becomes a DA 4 companion and romance. Also in my opinion the DA 4 party needs someone from the Inquisition who represents them. So do you have any better ideas than Harding? I don´t. Unless they connect her to a Titan or something, they can't possibly make her interesting enough for me to want her in the game. I still say Dagna would be better. She's also a dwarf, already a part of the Inquistion, she explores more of the magical side of the series, and she could believably be involved in concocting something to help with taking down Solas. Harding is as dull as dishwater compared to her.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2020 22:00:57 GMT
I'm not sure though how characters from secondary material should be properly introduced If they are using them then they should be treated like any other new character, or old character for that matter. There needs to be enough about them that people can appreciate who they are and why they are there. With any character a new PC needs to get to know them, even if the player is familiar with them from the previous game, books, comics, etc. They should never assume that a player has read the material though or played the earlier game, particularly this time round when the gap between the two is so great. A friend of mine steadfastly refuses to buy DLC on the basis that if it is relevant to the story, it should have been in the main game. As a consequence they had never played Legacy, so while I was excited about Corypheus appearing on the horizon in DAI, they were saying "who's he?" They were also somewhat puzzled when Hawke turned up apparently feeling some responsibility for him. To make matters worse, they couldn't play Trespasser on their console even if they wanted to, so I encouraged them to play one of my characters on my PC because I thought they might need to know what happened concerning Solas.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 22:04:39 GMT
I still say Dagna would be better. She's also a dwarf, already a part of the Inquistion, she explores more of the magical side of the series, and she could believably be involved in concocting something to help with taking down Solas. Harding is as dull as dishwater compared to her. Dagna is a supporting / runecrafting character and not a fighter who can kill easy hundreds of enemies. Also its impossible that players can romance her but if Sera wasn´t romance well Sera and Dagna became a couple. So no Dagna romance. By the way do you have played the Hakkon DLC? Harding has a lot more things to do and becomes atleast for me more interessing.
I'm not sure though how characters from secondary material should be properly introduced. Giving not enough exposition will annoy the non-readers, being too elaborate could make the readers go all "Yawn... I already know everything about them." I really don´t see the problem here. Bioware already have done this with Isabela, Merrill, Cassandra and Cole.
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Post by phoray on Aug 30, 2020 22:22:43 GMT
I mean, I expect all of these factions and NPCs to show up and play a part, I just don't see Mae, Dorian, or Isabella as a companion. Calpernia I'm more iffy about, because what power she had was given to her by Cory-face, and in some/most world states she was demoted to librarian even then.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 30, 2020 22:57:04 GMT
The Inquisition doesn't exist anymore. It was officially disbanded or folded into the Chantry. And if Solas knew who Charter was, he knew who Harding was. The ending of Trespasser was clear, they will need people Solas doesn't know. That means the entire party will be people Solas doesn't know. If the party is even linked to the "shadow Inquisition", for all we know the game main plots isn't going to be about stopping Solas. There is an awful lots of red lyrium in all the previews to suggest something way more dark is afoot. The Inquisition still exists, just as a Shadow Inquisition now. We see and hear about them in the comics and Tevinter Nights, all of which take place after Trespasser. That's one reason why the comic characters would be better than Harding. They're still Inquisition, but recruited after he left and the old Inquisition came apart. The shadow Inquisition is an underground spy network that doesn't officially exist that only conspiracy theorists would know about. They aren't going to go around asking people to join them or ask membership in other organisation saying "I'm part of the shadow Inquisition".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 22:59:10 GMT
I wonder if people are taking some of the points a little too literally. In particular, needing people who Solas won't recognize doesn't mean that there won't be any characters in our party that Solas would recognize. I think it's a throwaway line to set up the narrative for a new set of heroes. It doesn't, on it's own, exclude the inclusion of some minor characters from the Inquisition being part of the party. Honestly, I've always thought that this line was really about setting up a new PC and giving a reason why the Inquisitor wouldn't be the PC in DA4. Which seems like it's the case.
Similarly, the "exploring what happens when you don't have power" quote. I don't think that this means that no one in your party can have power. I think it means that your character isn't going to have titles and resources like in the 2nd half of DA2 or DA: I. At the end of DA2, you are literally the Champion of Kirkwall and Varric is a celebrity author and minor noble and Aveline is the Captain of the City Guards. In DA: I, you are in charge of a major political faction that spans several countries in influence and your advisors and half of your companions are some of the most recognizable and influential people in the land. Compare that to DA: O where you are without exception someone with no influence (even nobles have lost it all) and with the exception of Wynne, none of your companions hold any great authority in their own right. Same with DA:A. And the same at the beginning of DA2, where only Varric has any notoriety and influence. Everyone else is an outcast. I think Patrick was alluding to that. Basically, "Don't expect to be a character as grand as Hawke and the Inquisitor in this game". Not, "no one in your party has any power or influence".
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Post by yogsothoth on Aug 30, 2020 23:34:19 GMT
I still say Dagna would be better. She's also a dwarf, already a part of the Inquistion, she explores more of the magical side of the series, and she could believably be involved in concocting something to help with taking down Solas. Harding is as dull as dishwater compared to her. Dagna is a supporting / runecrafting character and not a fighter who can kill easy hundreds of enemies. Also its impossible that players can romance her but if Sera wasn´t romance well Sera and Dagna became a couple. So no Dagna romance. By the way do you have played the Hakkon DLC? Harding has a lot more things to do and becomes atleast for me more interessing. Dagna is an Artificer, and is even listed as such in Inquisition's files. She could come up with some magical tool to quickly kill entire squadrons. There's plenty of potential, in both story and gameplay, for her. I also don't see Harding killing tons of people easily. She's just another archer, which we've had a plethora of already. You're barking up the wrong tree with the romance argument. I don't give a crap about romancing characters. I have played Jaws of Hakkon, Harding barely did anything there.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 30, 2020 23:39:13 GMT
Similarly, the "exploring what happens when you don't have power" quote. I don't think that this means that no one in your party can have power. I think it means that your character isn't going to have titles and resources like in the 2nd half of DA2 or DA: I. At the end of DA2, you are literally the Champion of Kirkwall and Varric is a celebrity author and minor noble and Aveline is the Captain of the City Guards. In DA: I, you are in charge of a major political faction that spans several countries in influence and your advisors and half of your companions are some of the most recognizable and influential people in the land. Compare that to DA: O where you are without exception someone with no influence (even nobles have lost it all) and with the exception of Wynne, none of your companions hold any great authority in their own right. Same with DA:A. And the same at the beginning of DA2, where only Varric has any notoriety and influence. Everyone else is an outcast. I think Patrick was alluding to that. Basically, "Don't expect to be a character as grand as Hawke and the Inquisitor in this game". Not, "no one in your party has any power or influence". The Wardens treaties gives you the power to recruit anyone to fight the Blight in DAO. Even the Inquisition use them to get resources and people in DAI. Those treaties have the power to force kings to become Grey Wardens, save criminals from punishments or take resources from anyone. It's more powerful than any local jurisdictions. The only reasons using them never caused a war is because the Wardens never abused them (minus that one time in Ferelden when the Wardens were kicked-out). In DAO, nobody refuse to help the Wardens when asked, they are incapable of helping: Circle, Redcliff and Dalish are under attacks, Dwarves have no leader and someone called Loghain has delusions of Orlai trying to take over Ferelden using Wardens. In Awakening, the Warden-Commander is the new Arl of Amaranthine. The only authority higher than them in the region is the King/Queen of Ferelden. In DA2, the Hawkes are living in an estate in High Town by the start of Chapter 2. Only people with political connections, nobility and/or lots of money lives there. You have to go back to Jade Empire or BG1/BG2 for "powerless protagonists trying to resolve something nobody in charge cares about" in a BioWare game. And all 3 are weak revenge stories that focus on adventuring and where "saving the world" is just collateral damage.
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Post by mattjamho on Aug 30, 2020 23:42:19 GMT
Dagna is fun but is sweet enough she could give you a cavity, I don’t see her brawling into battle at time soon, she doesn’t come across as a fighter.
If we could choose a lady dwarf, my pick world be Volta. Dwarven historian, warrior, and now imbued with Titan magic?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 30, 2020 23:43:55 GMT
The Inquisition still exists, just as a Shadow Inquisition now. We see and hear about them in the comics and Tevinter Nights, all of which take place after Trespasser. That's one reason why the comic characters would be better than Harding. They're still Inquisition, but recruited after he left and the old Inquisition came apart. The shadow Inquisition is an underground spy network that doesn't officially exist that only conspiracy theorists would know about. They aren't going to go around asking people to join them or ask membership in other organisation saying "I'm part of the shadow Inquisition". That is literally what Charter did when trying to recruit Vaea.
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Post by yogsothoth on Aug 31, 2020 0:17:19 GMT
Dagna is fun but is sweet enough she could give you a cavity, I don’t see her brawling into battle at time soon, she doesn’t come across as a fighter. If we could choose a lady dwarf, my pick world be Volta. Dwarven historian, warrior, and now imbued with Titan magic? Wynne, Merrill, and Cole didn't really seem like fighters either. My main concern is that we're probably only getting one dwarf companion, and I don't want it wasted on Harding. They could bring back Sandal, Dagna, or Valta, or have an Ambassadoria or Kal-Sharok dwarf. Harding is not interesting enough of a character on her own, and doesn't introduce anything new culturally(Ambassadoria/Kal-Sharok), or expand on lesser known subjects (Sandal/Dagna/Valta).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 0:28:00 GMT
Dagna is fun but is sweet enough she could give you a cavity, I don’t see her brawling into battle at time soon, she doesn’t come across as a fighter. If we could choose a lady dwarf, my pick world be Volta. Dwarven historian, warrior, and now imbued with Titan magic? Wynne, Merrill, and Cole didn't really seem like fighters either. My main concern is that we're probably only getting one dwarf companion, and I don't want it wasted on Harding. They could bring back Sandal, Dagna, or Valta, or have an Ambassadoria or Kal-Sharok dwarf. Harding is not interesting enough of a character on her own, and doesn't introduce anything new culturally(Ambassadoria/Kal-Sharok), or expand on lesser known subjects (Sandal/Dagna/Valta). That's fair. We all have characters we'd like to see and ones we'd like to not see. I'm not convinced that "introducing anything new" has been a criteria they've used in the past. Oghren didn't bring anything new when he was back in DA:A. Anders didn't actually add anything new in DA2. Varric certainly didn't add anything new in DA:I. We've just seen different and more nuanced depth to their individual characters (Oghren as a dad; Anders as a terrorist; Varric and Bianca).
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 31, 2020 0:34:20 GMT
Dagna is fun but is sweet enough she could give you a cavity, I don’t see her brawling into battle at time soon, she doesn’t come across as a fighter. If we could choose a lady dwarf, my pick world be Volta. Dwarven historian, warrior, and now imbued with Titan magic? Wynne, Merrill, and Cole didn't really seem like fighters either. My main concern is that we're probably only getting one dwarf companion, and I don't want it wasted on Harding. They could bring back Sandal, Dagna, or Valta, or have an Ambassadoria or Kal-Sharok dwarf. Harding is not interesting enough of a character on her own, and doesn't introduce anything new culturally(Ambassadoria/Kal-Sharok), or expand on lesser known subjects (Sandal/Dagna/Valta). I believe Sandal will at some point will be back, with that said he sees what most of us cannot he (in my mind is a seer) we will see its up to Bioware.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 31, 2020 0:39:06 GMT
Strangely I'm all about the ladies. That one who looks like a 70's diva disco queen, and the other who looks like a hunchback wearing a potato sack poncho and a gun you can use to beat people to death. Flaming skull kinda looks cool as well at least he is a flaming skull. The rest feels very minimalists and with nothing eye catching.
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Post by yogsothoth on Aug 31, 2020 1:01:23 GMT
Wynne, Merrill, and Cole didn't really seem like fighters either. My main concern is that we're probably only getting one dwarf companion, and I don't want it wasted on Harding. They could bring back Sandal, Dagna, or Valta, or have an Ambassadoria or Kal-Sharok dwarf. Harding is not interesting enough of a character on her own, and doesn't introduce anything new culturally(Ambassadoria/Kal-Sharok), or expand on lesser known subjects (Sandal/Dagna/Valta). I'm not convinced that "introducing anything new" has been a criteria they've used in the past. Oghren didn't bring anything new when he was back in DA:A. Anders didn't actually add anything new in DA2. Varric certainly didn't add anything new in DA:I. We've just seen different and more nuanced depth to their individual characters (Oghren as a dad; Anders as a terrorist; Varric and Bianca). No, not every companion introduces something new or expands on something, but those are also characters I generally don't like and leave as permanent bench-warmers.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 31, 2020 1:07:48 GMT
Has anyone brought up the possibility that the blond tevinter is the Well-Read Pig Farmer? That could potentially solve the status issues people are bringing up re: Calpernia or Mae being regular party members. WRPF has connections to some nobles, but Serault nobles aren’t exactly the most popular folks in Thedas.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 31, 2020 1:44:41 GMT
I'm kind of wondering if "tall guy(?) in robes" is another version of Qunari Daddy.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 31, 2020 1:52:25 GMT
I'm kind of wondering if "tall guy(?) in robes" is another version of Qunari Daddy. Who's Qunari Daddy ? Do I want to know?
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I'm kind of wondering if "tall guy(?) in robes" is another version of Qunari Daddy. I think so too. They have similar style of clothes, similar pale skin, similar height. And Qunari Daddy has spiral tattoos on his bare arms and the tall guy has what appears to be spiral bangles on his bare arms. I think it’s different versions of the same concept. Maybe some kind of light armored hornless Qunari warrior? Or a tall Avvar human barbarian?
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 31, 2020 2:51:48 GMT
I'm kind of wondering if "tall guy(?) in robes" is another version of Qunari Daddy. Who's Qunari Daddy ? Do I want to know?
The very muscular fella next to.. 'Calpernia?' 👀.. He looks like he could be a hornless qunari. I'm kind of wondering if "tall guy(?) in robes" is another version of Qunari Daddy. I think so too. They have similar style of clothes, similar pale skin, similar height. And Qunari Daddy has spiral tattoos on his bare arms and the tall guy has what appears to be spiral bangles on his bare arms. I think it’s different versions of the same concept. Maybe some kind of light armored hornless Qunari warrior? Or a tall Avvar human barbarian? WHAT IF HE'S A MONK. Qunari hand-to-hand combat? Sick. Good catch with the spiral pattern. I wonder if we'll have a loyalist/reformist Qunari and a diehard Tal-Vashoth, one of each to contrast. I think there's going to be a theme of reform vs revolution in the game, just based on tidbits. I would love an Avvar companion, but I think it's silly that Sky Watcher was as huge as a qunari lol. I can't tell if it was supposed to be video game exaggeration or if there are just ginormous humans.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 8:28:50 GMT
Oghren didn't bring anything new when he was back in DA:A. I have to admit that I wasn't overly thrilled when I discovered he was the only one of my companions that was returning. However, it did fit his character that he might want to join up rather than retire from frontline action to domestic bliss. Anders didn't actually add anything new in DA2. Actually he allowed us to explore the nature of a "friendly" possession. With Wynne it was simply, I've got a spirit keeping my alive, and that was about it. You never got to discuss what that was about. Mind you, having recently re-played DA2, I think they left a lot of confusion and contradiction over exactly the nature of Anders' possession. Still it would seem it was always the aim to have Justice hook up with one of the DAA characters, it was just that Anders got the short straw, plus best suited the idea of wanting justice for mages. They really had to stretch credibility though to get the timescale to fit. Varric certainly didn't add anything new in DA:I. To be honest I think it was a very heavy handed way of having an excuse to bring back Hawke and bring new players/those who hadn't played Legacy up to speed about the link between DA2 and him. We never really did get to the bottom of why Varric was there at the beginning. At the end of DA2 Cassandra appeared to have been satisfied with his story and released him; then apparently changed her mind and he need to tell the Divine personally, or alternatively she was a fan of his fiction. It did also seem very odd that the Divine hadn't sorted out whether Hawke could be found or not before the Conclave started, so the two people most responsible for her safety would be at her side when she left the safety of Val Royeaux. There isn't any real need to bring back any characters from DAI who don't have a reason to normally be in one of the northern states. Dorian is the obvious link character with the Inquisition, certainly so far as Tevinter is concerned. He fulfils that role in the comic series, just as Charter does in the Freemarches in the comics and Nevarra in Tevinter Nights. The problem with bringing back Harding is that she has no reason to be in the north, whereas Hanako is right, the Inquisition does already have agents there from the comics, at least two of whom are native to the area (Marius and Franchesca). However, the comic writer has hinted that whilst they haven't got that far in the comics yet, there will be a valid reason given why the main characters of Vaea and Ser Aaron will not be involved in events in DA4, possibly the others as well. Nevertheless, bearing in mind how they did stretch credibility to have Varric involved from the beginning of DAI, you are probably correct and if they want to bring back Harding they will. Also, if the dwarven lady archer in one of the images is not Harding, then it is rather coincidental that both have the same race, class and hair colouring. Whether she is a full companion is another matter. I suppose that depends on how popular she proved with the writers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2020 8:47:15 GMT
The problem with bringing back Harding is that she has no reason to be in the north, whereas Hanako is right, the Inquisition does already have agents there from the comics, at least two of whom are native to the area (Marius and Franchesca). However, the comic writer has hinted that whilst they haven't got that far in the comics yet, there will be a valid reason given why the main characters of Vaea and Ser Aaron will not be involved in events in DA4, possibly the others as well. Should be noted that when someone mentioned to hooded woman next to the female Qunari in the group shot might be Francesca, Nunzio said he doesn’t think so since he and Christina weren’t told. He said she might be in the game without them knowing, citing the Vaea cameo in Tevinter Nights, but said if she (or any of their characters for that matter) were companion level he thinks they would have been told. So sadly it seems none of the new characters I wanted to show up in the game are. 😭
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 10:51:37 GMT
Should be noted that when someone mentioned to hooded woman next to the female Qunari in the group shot might be Francesca, Nunzio said he doesn’t think so since he and Christina weren’t told Actually I was also recalling this quote from him on the Vaea thread in response to me questioning the timing of her appearance in Tevinter Nights: It is near Starkhaven but not in Starkhaven. And it is definitely before their trip to Tevinter. Once they go to Tevinter, they stay in Tevinter through Deception, Blue Wraith, and the potential next miniseries. And at the end of that miniseries (which would wrap up this storyline) they would be headed in a decidedly different direction for specific reasons I cannot divulge. It's not a plot hook so much as a "ride off into the sunset" but it pretty much precludes them going back that way. So that sounded to me that Vaea and Ser Aaron at least are going to continue to operate separate from the characters in DA4 and if he also made those comments about Francesca, who is someone who would have a vested interest to still be involved in Tevinter, it does seem unlikely we will see any of these three again. Of course Tessa and Marius weren't Nuncio's creations, so technically the writing team on the latest comics wouldn't have to be told if they were going to be involved in DA4, assuming of course they survive the comic series. Tessa of course does have a closer connection to the shadow Inquisition through Charter, so she could pop up as a contact along the way but I doubt if she would appear as a companion.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 10:59:06 GMT
Maybe some kind of light armored hornless Qunari warrior? Or a tall Avvar human barbarian? I'd favour a hornless Qunari mage, either a Tal-Vashoth saarebas, who didn't self immolate on being freed from the Qun or a true Vashoth. However, there is a background in the Core Rule Book known as Ander Survivor, so if human he could be from there. It says even when they have left the Anderfels the harsh environment of their upbringing means they are really tough cookies. If he was from the Anderfels and a Vashoth, that would be quite a combination. However, could the tall person not be the Lord of Fortune character with a few more clothes on? I know tall guy doesn't have a beard but that could have been a later addition once they had settled on his background.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 11:15:58 GMT
I know you think the eight person line is indicative of the final line up but that may only be number wise. To be honest that picture does strike me as being an early mock-up to give people an idea and judge their reaction on the writing team but the appearance at least bears no real resemblance to how the final line up will look. They seem more like images taken from other games and then heads like the Qunari superimposed on them. Your avatar davelium makes me think more of a commando in some other universe than a character from Dragon Age, with that thing sticking up being the aerial of a walkie talkie. The clothing of the Qunari female makes me think of someone else but I can't place who. Several of us have commented on the similarity of the hooded character with Assassin's Creed. Then there is the character apparently holding a gun over their shoulder. I admit that is not beyond the bounds of possibility there will be a guns introduced into the game but if you cut the horns of the female Qunari and take out glow head, to be honest that picture wouldn't shriek Dragon Age to me.
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