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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 11:40:32 GMT
I know you think the eight person line is indicative of the final line up but that may only be number wise. To be honest that picture does strike me as being an early mock-up to give people an idea and judge their reaction on the writing team but the appearance at least bears no real resemblance to how the final line up will look. They seem more like images taken from other games and then heads like the Qunari superimposed on them. Your avatar davelium makes me think more of a commando in some other universe than a character from Dragon Age, with that thing sticking up being the aerial of a walkie talkie. The clothing of the Qunari female makes me think of someone else but I can't place who. Several of us have commented on the similarity of the hooded character with Assassin's Creed. Then there is the character apparently holding a gun over their shoulder. I admit that is not beyond the bounds of possibility there will be a guns introduced into the game but if you cut the horns of the female Qunari and take out glow head, to be honest that picture wouldn't shriek Dragon Age to me. I think I'd be inclined to agree with you if it didn't have such a prominent ending shot in that teaser video. If it was just one of many concept art pieces while talking about companions then, sure, it would feel more like a generic, "What about a line up like this?" pic. I might be wrong, but I tend to think that this is the line up. There will probably be styling changes to the characters. And we might even see one or two swapped out at the last minute for a different character. But I'm leaning towards thinking that this is the general lineup of characters. I do think that it has a very Dragon Age feel to it. Or, at least, a very Bioware feel to it (the lady with the gun is giving quarian vibes). Also, someone pointed out that the dwarven archer that looks like Harding is holding a crossbow. The "gun" could also be a crossbow at a side angle. And that character is much shorter than the human woman beside her. I'm not sure that she's dwarf-height. But she's definitely shorter. Might that character be our dwarven archer, just with a shapeless cloak/hood? The other thing that I'm curious about is that, if you look at all of the concept art together, there's a ton of mages. That makes sense since it's Tevinter and all. But it seems disproportionately skewed to mages. In the "8 hero" shot, there's the sexy lady on the left, the tall blonde human woman, the hooded elf guy, the tall bare armed guy, and the skull-face necromancer guy that all could be mages. That's five out of 8 that could be mages in that shot alone. Granted some of them could be other classes (the sexy lady could be a rogue; the hooded elf could be a Crow; the bare armed guy could be a warrior). And there are a ton of other mages as well: the Calpernia looking lady; the elf battlemage; Dorian (or the Dorian look alike, depending on who you ask). Some of them might line up; some of them might not. It's a puzzler. But the good kind of puzzling. Loving all of the speculation in this thread! And I'm glad it's focusing more on what people think and less on why other people are wrong.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 11:45:57 GMT
I'm going to come at this from another angle and see if we could fit classes/backgrounds to the characters. We know that the Lords of Fortune, Crows, Mortalitassi, Grey Wardens and Ben'Hassrath have been heavily featured in Tevinter Nights so you would think this means they are also going to be involved in next game. We were also told that the Sicarri and Ben'Hassrath are involved in the hunt for Solas and/or the idol. So that is 6 classes that seem likely to be in the next game. Fog Warriors have been mentioned in DA2 and DAI, so strong possibility there will be a companion from them as well. We know the Lucerni are a faction connected with the Inquisition. That makes 8 backgrounds to draw from.
Far left: female mage, probably standard mage from Tevinter, possibly Liberati (Calpernia from DAI?) - possibly a Lucerni
Next left: female qunari, could be actually working undercover for the Qun, i.e. Ben-Hassrath (not previously encountered or Rasaan)
Next left: male Tevinter Sicarri - forced to maintain loyalty to organisation through family being held hostage. Could be any race but likely elf.
Middle Tall figure: If not PC then could be a mage but not another Tevinter mage.
First figure to right of them: Fog Warrior. They are on Seheron - they could have stolen knowledge from the Qun to construct guns.
Next figure to right: Crow assassin - warrior or rogue
Next figure to right: Lord of Fortune - warrior or mage
Last figure: Mortalitassi mage
Not visible in picture: Dwarven Archer/rogue - Shadow Inquisition?, Grey Warden Warrior
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Post by azarhal on Aug 31, 2020 11:49:41 GMT
I know you think the eight person line is indicative of the final line up but that may only be number wise. To be honest that picture does strike me as being an early mock-up to give people an idea and judge their reaction on the writing team but the appearance at least bears no real resemblance to how the final line up will look. It is clearly a mock-up, only 3 might have weapons, nobody seems to be wearing armor design from the series and everyone looks like rogue/mage. And then you add that the image feels like they jumped a few centuries forward with GuysWithManyPouches wearing a military tactical vest and GirlWithAGun having a gun. I also think they might all be representation of what the protagonist might be, like a study of forms. FlameHead and the lack of Dwarven silhouette being the only reasons why this doesn't work (unless we can play as an undead and not dwarves this time around).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 12:27:30 GMT
I know you think the eight person line is indicative of the final line up but that may only be number wise. To be honest that picture does strike me as being an early mock-up to give people an idea and judge their reaction on the writing team but the appearance at least bears no real resemblance to how the final line up will look. It is clearly a mock-up, only 3 might have weapons, nobody seems to be wearing armor design from the series and everyone looks like rogue/mage. And then you add that the image feels like they jumped a few centuries forward with GuysWithManyPouches wearing a military tactical vest and GirlWithAGun having a gun. I also think they might all be representation of what the protagonist might be, like a study of forms. FlameHead and the lack of Dwarven silhouette being the only reasons why this doesn't work (unless we can play as an undead and not dwarves this time around). Flamehead, or someone like him, is definitely shown in another shot. So that’s not a PC.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 31, 2020 12:51:03 GMT
I'm going to come at this from another angle and see if we could fit classes/backgrounds to the characters. We know that the Lords of Fortune, Crows, Mortalitassi, Grey Wardens and Ben'Hassrath have been heavily featured in Tevinter Nights so you would think this means they are also going to be involved in next game. I keep reading Lord of Fortune and I have no idea what it means...I'm gonna have to read Tevinter Nights /sigh
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 12:57:43 GMT
It's a puzzler. But the good kind of puzzling. Loving all of the speculation in this thread! Oh yes, it's great fun, that's why I keep coming back. I definitely think there is something to thinking about what backgrounds a companion might have. Clearly it would be better if they didn't all come from Tevinter but it would be good if they came from countries we have not previously had a connection with. I mean, I always hankered after a Rivaini Seer but it seems more likely we will get a Lord of Fortune if the character comes from Rivain. Still, that doesn't preclude them being a mage. Several of the backgrounds could be any class or race. Lord of Fortune - Rivain - Warrior/Rogue/Mage - human/dwarf/elf/vashoth Crow - Antiva - Warrior/Rogue/Mage - human/elf Grey Warden - Anderfels - Warrior/Rogue/Mage - human/dwarf/elf/vashoth Tevinter Sicaari - Rogue/Mage (less likely to be warrior) - human/elf Ben-Hassrath - Par Vollen - Warrior/Rogue - Qunari/human/elf Fog Warrior - Seheron - Warrior/Rogue or Fog Dancer - mage - human/elf/vashoth Lucerni - Tevinter - mage - human/elf Mortalitassi - Nevarra - mage - if living probably human - if undead could be any race but probably not qunari. That would surprise people an undead dwarf with magic!
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 13:00:40 GMT
I keep reading Lord of Fortune and I have no idea what it means...I'm gonna have to read Tevinter Nights /sigh If you don't want to read it. Following information does not actually spoiler any stories, just gives background info. A hitherto unknown faction from Rivain. Essentially they are just glorified treasure hunters who like to wear mementos of their expeditions as trophies around their body. Think of them as sort of Thedas Indiana Jones types. However, they are likely to be good at exploring ancient sites and turning up useful artefacts or lore, so highly relevant in trying to counter Solas. One of the stories featured one of them who could possibly be transgender and so an alternative to Maevaris.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 31, 2020 13:28:18 GMT
If you don't want to read it. Following information does not actually spoiler any stories, just gives background info. A hitherto unknown faction from Rivain. Essentially they are just glorified treasure hunters who like to wear mementos of their expeditions as trophies around their body. Think of them as sort of Thedas Indiana Jones types. However, they are likely to be good at exploring ancient sites and turning up useful artefacts or lore, so highly relevant in trying to counter Solas. One of the stories featured one of them who could possibly be transgender and so an alternative to Maevaris. Thanks ! My inner magpie really like the sound of that !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 14:18:10 GMT
I want a Fog Warrior. Or even better, a Fog Dancer. We HAVE to go to Seheron, right? It’s just the perfect location for a BioWare style ‘pick a faction to resolve this conflict’ type main quest. Fog Dancers have been so interesting to me since they were teased. And what a perfect companion type - they are literally the lore keepers and storytellers of that group. A perfect info dump without feeling too out of place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 14:57:36 GMT
I also think they might all be representation of what the protagonist might be, like a study of forms. FlameHead and the lack of Dwarven silhouette being the only reasons why this doesn't work (unless we can play as an undead and not dwarves this time around). I still think this could be a possibility as well, but a long shot. I don't think every individual represents a single origin, maybe groups of them do, plus Patrick said things have changed a lot since this concept was made. TN really left me with the impression origins could make a comeback, but whether or not this particular concept art is a nod to that is really hard to say.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 31, 2020 15:43:52 GMT
I also think they might all be representation of what the protagonist might be, like a study of forms. FlameHead and the lack of Dwarven silhouette being the only reasons why this doesn't work (unless we can play as an undead and not dwarves this time around). I still think this could be a possibility as well, but a long shot. I don't think every individual represents a single origin, maybe groups of them do, plus Patrick said things have changed a lot since this concept was made. TN really left me with the impression origins could make a comeback, but whether or not this particular concept art is a nod to that is really hard to say. Technically origins were back in DAI, we just didn't play them like in DAO. There is a lot of Crows imagery in the concept arts, but people think we are going to be a Lord of Fortune. Maybe we get an origin per country involved instead of these being companion origins? So the choices would be: - Crows (from Antiva) - Lord of Fortune (from Rivain) - Soporati (none-mage)/Laetans (mage) (from Tevinter) - Undead Flamehead (from Nevarra) - Qunari (Qun/Seheron) Outside of the Qunari and Undead, the rest should support humans, elves and dwarves PC.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 31, 2020 15:57:45 GMT
Nevertheless, bearing in mind how they did stretch credibility to have Varric involved from the beginning of DAI, you are probably correct and if they want to bring back Harding they will. Also, if the dwarven lady archer in one of the images is not Harding, then it is rather coincidental that both have the same race, class and hair colouring. Whether she is a full companion is another matter. I suppose that depends on how popular she proved with the writers. Quite popular among the writer i would say. For Harding is like DA 2 Cassandra before someone that Bioware wants to flesh out in next game. Don´t forget that they expand her role a little bit in the Hakkon DLC and this was well received. And i also believe that Harding presence in Trespasser last cutscene has a big meaning. I think that this is a Harding teaser. If doesn´t have any meaning why did she stand where with the Inquisitor, Inquisitor love interest, Leliana and Cassandra? Those four can´t be the connection / bridge companion between DAI and DA 4 because they have a ton more baggage than Harding who always lives in all possible world states with only one fate being a alive as a Inquisition member.
Harding would be very easy to contuine for Bioware unlike characters like Cole. Also she is recognisable for casual DA Fans who are invested in the series but only the games.
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Post by athras on Aug 31, 2020 16:39:48 GMT
My guesses starting from the left: 1. Human/elven female mage, possibly from Rivain based on the amount of her jewellery and the clothes outline. Maybe a seer? 2. Qunari female rogue from the other concept art. Seems to be from the Qun. 3. Human male warrior, possibly the Grey Warden Davrin, but could be someone else. 4. Okay, this is bit out there, but unless it's PC, I'm calling ancient elf. They seem to be as tall as qunari and the only race as tall seem to be ancient elves. The features are too smooth for qunari and there seems to be a pointy ear (plus the person on the left has ear ending at the eye line, while this person's ear tip is above their eyes). 5. Human/elven female rogue, either gun or Bianca style crossbow. No idea besides that. 6. Human/elven male rogue, Antivan Crow. I'm almost certain this is Lucanis. 7. Hornless qunari male. I'm thinking Tevinter mage. The ropes around his arms seem qunari, but his clothes aren't. We need some Tevinter perspective and it would be interesting to get a perspective from maybe an ex-slave mage in comparison with Dorian who was born into privilege. 8. Nevarran possessed corpse.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 31, 2020 17:32:36 GMT
If Skeletor is the product of necromancy, he doesn't have to be an actual mage. He/she/it could be any class.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 19:39:59 GMT
And i also believe that Harding presence in Trespasser last cutscene has a big meaning. I think that this is a Harding teaser. If doesn´t have any meaning why did she stand where with the Inquisitor, Inquisitor love interest, Leliana and Cassandra? You have a point there. The epilogue slide said that Leliana was training up Harding and Charter to be her successors. Charter has been fulfilling that sort of role in the comics and the book, so that probably does mean that Harding is going to be the one in the game. However, that could still mean an advisor role rather than an actual companion but I'd be happy either way. People think she is bland because she wasn't meant to stand out initially; she was just someone who filled you in on the area but then people started to like her. Also, when you ask her about herself she doesn't seem to have a lot of emotional baggage she is carting around but that seems a positive to me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 19:50:17 GMT
There is a lot of Crows imagery in the concept arts, but people think we are going to be a Lord of Fortune. I think the factions are going to be represented by our companions rather than our PC. It would be odd to me to give us a background we have never encountered before and then expect us to role play it effectively based off a few short sentences, although I suppose that is what they did for new players with DAI so what do I know? A Lord of Fortune would be a background that any race could have.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 31, 2020 20:31:29 GMT
I was kinda hoping we'd see some Avvar concept art, but it doesn't look like it (so far at least). I kinda like the idea of having an Avvar Spirit Mage along to shake up the Tevinter establishment.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 31, 2020 22:43:49 GMT
I was kinda hoping we'd see some Avvar concept art, but it doesn't look like it (so far at least). I kinda like the idea of having an Avvar Spirit Mage along to shake up the Tevinter establishment. And then party up with Movran, right? Bring the goats! Avvar Spirit Mage - aside from obvious Avvar mayhem - could also bring another look at possession. We mostly had abominations and one polarizing Anders. Time for 100% friendly possession. Though that role could be also filled by someone from Rivain... Wynne's situation was slightly different that that of possessed mage, since spirit within her was too weak to have much influence aside from keeping her alive.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 1, 2020 0:48:27 GMT
I was kinda hoping we'd see some Avvar concept art, but it doesn't look like it (so far at least). I kinda like the idea of having an Avvar Spirit Mage along to shake up the Tevinter establishment. And then party up with Movran, right? Bring the goats! Avvar Spirit Mage - aside from obvious Avvar mayhem - could also bring another look at possession. We mostly had abominations and one polarizing Anders. Time for 100% friendly possession. Though that role could be also filled by someone from Rivain... Wynne's situation was slightly different that that of possessed mage, since spirit within her was too weak to have much influence aside from keeping her alive. I would have liked for Armund the Skywatcher to be a (spirit) warrior companion. Like, to have one warrior party member who is not "I distrust/hate mages/magic" as these are getting rather stale.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 1, 2020 8:01:10 GMT
I'm going to come at this from another angle and see if we could fit classes/backgrounds to the characters. We know that the Lords of Fortune, Crows, Mortalitassi, Grey Wardens and Ben'Hassrath have been heavily featured in Tevinter Nights so you would think this means they are also going to be involved in next game. I keep reading Lord of Fortune and I have no idea what it means...I'm gonna have to read Tevinter Nights /sigh Lord of Fortune – Race: Any, Gender: Any. Adventurers and treasure hunters who take on jobs for a price. Examples might be to break into an ancient tomb and liberate its treasure from the traps and creatures. A lucrative bounty to hunt down a dangerous creature menacing a town. A contract to steal a magic item from a public event. Or payed to bodyguard and guide a client through dangerous locations. They're based out of Rivain but there's no apparent barriers to foreigners joining, since one was invited to in the book.
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Post by sandwichtern on Sept 1, 2020 12:32:19 GMT
I was kinda hoping we'd see some Avvar concept art, but it doesn't look like it (so far at least). I kinda like the idea of having an Avvar Spirit Mage along to shake up the Tevinter establishment. And then party up with Movran, right? Bring the goats! Avvar Spirit Mage - aside from obvious Avvar mayhem - could also bring another look at possession. We mostly had abominations and one polarizing Anders. Time for 100% friendly possession. Though that role could be also filled by someone from Rivain... Wynne's situation was slightly different that that of possessed mage, since spirit within her was too weak to have much influence aside from keeping her alive. Oh yes please, I'd very much like to have an Avvar party member or even just Avvars in general in the next game, but not for the possession aspect. What I'm interested in is finally seeing and interacting with Avvars that come from a matrilineal clan. By that I mean that the Avvar in question trace their kinship through their mother's line (that is both sons and daughters are a part of their mother's clan) and the inheritance of property and titles is through the mother's brother and the mother of an individual. What makes matriline interesting as a social system is that in real world it is sometimes combined with an "uncle-father" system: While mother is the mother and takes care of their children, the social role and duties we tend to assign to our flesh-and-blood fathers fall to mother's brothers. The biological father is more distant and an "uncle-like" figure to their children. Furthermore, when the father of a person from this kind of a clan dies, their assests go to their sisters' children and not to their biological children. If we happened to run across Movran the Under, the chieftain of Edvarr hold, again in the next DA game, I think it would be really interesting if the writers wrote Movran's clan to be matrilineal. So Movran would be the leader of his clan and hold because his mother's clan holds the political power of the hold. Likewise, the reason he was so indifferent to the death of his "red-headed brat" of a son and was just going through the motions in dealing with his death was because according to the aforementioned matrilineal system his true kin and "children" would be his sisters' daughters and sons. (The ones really broken up about the death of Hand of Korth would be his mother's clan.) Lastly, a while ago I came across this picture of a ribbon seal. You can't tell me the freshwater variant of this aren't native to the lakes of the Frostback mountains. 😁
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 1, 2020 12:49:37 GMT
was kinda hoping we'd see some Avvar concept art, but it doesn't look like it (so far at least). I kinda like the idea of having an Avvar Spirit Mage along to shake up the Tevinter establishment I used to hope for a Rivaini seer to fill that role but with the likelihood of a Lord of Fortune in the line up, it is unlikely they would have two people from Rivain, unless they came as already companions, with the LofF as a sort of guardian to the lady (a bit like Minsc and Dynaheir in Baldurs Gate). However, if we are looking for some sort of spirit mage, then there are also the Fog Dancers. I get the feeling they fill a similar role to the Avvar augurs and the Rivaini seers, plus could fill us in on the ancient lore of Seheron, which on the small amount we have been given so far sounds very interesting. Plus, I've mentioned before about the Amulet of the Four Winds that could reverse petrification in MoA. The March of the Four Winds is a Seheron legend so may be a Fog Dancer could have something really useful that could protect against that power of Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 1, 2020 12:54:11 GMT
If Skeletor is the product of necromancy, he doesn't have to be an actual mage. He/she/it could be any class. This is true but then he wouldn't be a Mortalitassi, just an undead skeleton. Since they already introduced the Necromancy class in DAI, it would make more sense for someone from Nevarra to be an actual Mortalitassi mage, who used that specialism, rather than just a random undead dude unless they had very specific spirit powers. I suppose they could be a literal spirit warrior, like Justice in DAA, but that would really just be repeating him, with rather less flesh on their bones.
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Post by mattjamho on Sept 1, 2020 13:52:09 GMT
He could be a necromancer who prolonged his life force so much...that his body started to decay, and he’s held together by magic. Similar Xexon the Antiquarian’s deal.
I’ve always wanted an old, eccentric wizard type companion...this could be him haha
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Post by smilesja on Sept 1, 2020 18:25:05 GMT
I want to romance leggy! The girl on the far left.
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