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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 24, 2020 14:41:07 GMT
Gonna buy it for the sake of more playthroughs with better graphics AND redone combat system in ME1. Actually, ME1's combat system is the main reason I can't touch the game anymore despite its story and characters. Also, all DLCs are going to be included and there's that tiny chance a ME!Remaster playthrough can be exported to ME5. They won’t do save imports anymore. Without a doubt they’ll use a site like they did with Dragon Age. Yeah, they have the Mass Effect Archives for that.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 24, 2020 15:01:43 GMT
It's just a couple of flags for the most important decisions, no space magic or something I still don't see it. Perhaps you're right. I -hope- for an import feature to continue the legacy of Shepard, but I doubt EA/Bioware is going to go that extra mile just to please some of their original fans.
In "worst" case they'll pick one of the three endings, declare it canon. Since Liara is still around in ME5, they also might make her Shepard's LI too and add some blue kids. That's gonna be sort of a middle finger for fans of other romance options like Tali, Garrus, Cortez, Ashley, Miranda etc - but that's what Bioware can do if they please.
Third option: you get to decide what significant decisions Shepard did in the past at the beginning of ME5: no savegame import, but a set of multiple choice questions. I can live with that.
Shepards Gender: [x] Male [_] Female
Shepard's final solution: [_] Control Reapers [_] Synthesis [x] Destruction
Krogan cure: [_] Sabotaged [x] Deployed
Morning War Resolve: [_] Sided with the Quarians [_] Sided with the Geth [x] Solved war peacefully
Shepard's romance option (options depending on gender & available LIs, in this case MALE Shepard) [_] Liara [x] Ashley [_] Kaidan [_] Tali [_] Garrus [_] Thane [_] Miranda [_] Jack
[_] Cortez [_] None
Again, it's just a couple of flags that actually need to be carried over to ME5. No one will care for Conrad Verner 400 years later, but if Shep had kids, their descendants may be still around. Also, Shepard will be dead, no matter what, even if s/he survived in the "golden ending".
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 24, 2020 15:12:30 GMT
Or they'll just use their telemetry data, see what the most popular choices are and follow those over as canon. Which means I can't wait to see Liara as everyone's LI regardless and half the ME2 crew and Wrex dead. That last line is sarcasm. But also not.
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Post by Kabraxal on Dec 24, 2020 15:42:44 GMT
Or they'll just use their telemetry data, see what the most popular choices are and follow those over as canon. Which means I can't wait to see Liara as everyone's LI regardless and half the ME2 crew and Wrex dead. That last line is sarcasm. But also not. If they follow telemetry data wouldn’t Miranda be the default LI then? Could have sworn on the old forums one of the team posted sone of the results and she was leading the romances. Same with DA... so many on reddit and the forums would swear up and down on Cullen or Alistair being the lead romance but Gaider flat out said it was Leliana. The weird numbers I never understood is how many used default Shep and soldier. Course I look at overall game completion numbers and don’t understand how so many never finish a game.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 24, 2020 15:51:21 GMT
They won’t do save imports anymore. Without a doubt they’ll use a site like they did with Dragon Age. They'll have to fix that site then...I'm assuming you mean the Mass Effect Archives?
at present that place is pretty useless, but it'd be nice if they used it for ME5 import, depending on which route they'll go of course.
It does need to be updated. One of the choices is romancing, or not, Allers, but doesn't have the option that she was never brought on the SR2.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 24, 2020 15:53:41 GMT
If they follow telemetry data wouldn’t Miranda be the default LI then? In ME2, maybe. In ME1 and ME3, she most definitely wasn't. Considering only 20% of ME3's telemetry data was saves from previous games and you can't initiate a romance with Miranda or Jack in ME3. The weird numbers I never understood is how many used default Shep and soldier. *Looks at last five playthroughs Haha ha ... uh, me neither. Yeah.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 24, 2020 16:01:34 GMT
Or they'll just use their telemetry data, see what the most popular choices are and follow those over as canon. Which means I can't wait to see Liara as everyone's LI regardless and half the ME2 crew and Wrex dead. That last line is sarcasm. But also not. The irony in that is that they can still give us the choice of Shepard’s gender, as in Andromeda, and keep a canon...since Liara can be romanced by both. I’m going to steel myself for a canon trilogy in ME5, but with how they already used the Keep for DAI, it’s not that difficult, I think, to do an online save export. It’s just about wanting to do it, or go for a canon.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 24, 2020 16:10:48 GMT
but with how they already used the Keep for DAI, it’s not that difficult, I think, to do an online save export. It’s just about wanting to do it, or go for a canon. They already made the ME2 romances inaccessible to most players in ME3. So I don't see the point of it. At least, on the romance side. Fuck it, Blue or bust it is.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 24, 2020 16:42:25 GMT
but with how they already used the Keep for DAI, it’s not that difficult, I think, to do an online save export. It’s just about wanting to do it, or go for a canon. They already made the ME2 romances inaccessible to most players in ME3. So I don't see the point of it. At least, on the romance side. Fuck it, Blue or bust it is. True, but it’s been years, and they know how popular the Keep is for DA...as well as how much people care about their own choices, even for something as romances. That doesn’t mean they won’t do a canon. The major advantage for doing one is to fix the issue of the different endings. If they’d go for a single ending as canon they can very well go for fulll canon choices in every plots, as well as romances. All I’m saying is that it’s not a matter of difficulty in terms of implementing an online export, and if they’d go for that, a romance choice isn’t that hard to place in.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 24, 2020 16:58:30 GMT
All I’m saying is that it’s not a matter of difficulty in terms of implementing an online export, and if they’d go for that, a romance choice isn’t that hard to place in. I don't see why they would bother. Everyone loves Liara, right? So here's more Liara. It'll be fine! It'll be fine.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 24, 2020 17:35:33 GMT
Or they'll just use their telemetry data, see what the most popular choices are and follow those over as canon. Which means I can't wait to see Liara as everyone's LI regardless and half the ME2 crew and Wrex dead. That last line is sarcasm. But also not. If they follow telemetry data wouldn’t Miranda be the default LI then? Could have sworn on the old forums one of the team posted sone of the results and she was leading the romances. Same with DA... so many on reddit and the forums would swear up and down on Cullen or Alistair being the lead romance but Gaider flat out said it was Leliana. The weird numbers I never understood is how many used default Shep and soldier. Course I look at overall game completion numbers and don’t understand how so many never finish a game. If they follow telemetry data, I don't think there'd' be a LI at all, as I believe the majority of players don't romance anyone.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 24, 2020 18:32:48 GMT
If they follow telemetry data wouldn’t Miranda be the default LI then? Could have sworn on the old forums one of the team posted sone of the results and she was leading the romances. Same with DA... so many on reddit and the forums would swear up and down on Cullen or Alistair being the lead romance but Gaider flat out said it was Leliana. The weird numbers I never understood is how many used default Shep and soldier. Course I look at overall game completion numbers and don’t understand how so many never finish a game. If they follow telemetry data, I don't think there'd' be a LI at all, as I believe the majority of players don't romance anyone. You have more faith in humanity than I do sir....I'm a weak, pathetic man. If I can get my character laid I'm taking it every time, even if I don't like the character at all lol.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 25, 2020 9:53:55 GMT
All I’m saying is that it’s not a matter of difficulty in terms of implementing an online export, and if they’d go for that, a romance choice isn’t that hard to place in. I don't see why they would bother. Everyone loves Liara, right? So here's more Liara. It'll be fine! It'll be fine. The know this isn’t the case. Look, I think preparing for the worst is quite fine, and maybe the best given the compete (intentional) uncertainty left by the teaser and devs, but I also understand *why* they decided to use Liara to hype up at least a vast part of the ME fanbase. She’s popular and one of the few characters that can live long enough to be present in a centuries forward game. The other one in Shep’s companions isn’t nearly as popular as her. That doesn’t mean they’d be necessarily go into canonizing every choice made in the trilogy. It’s possible, but not inevitable.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 25, 2020 11:42:16 GMT
Look, I think preparing for the worst is quite fine, and maybe the best given the compete (intentional) uncertainty left by the teaser and devs, but I also understand *why* they decided to use Liara to hype up at least a vast part of the ME fanbase. She’s popular and one of the few characters that can live long enough to be present in a centuries forward game. The other one in Shep’s companions isn’t nearly as popular as her. I'd argue Garrus would have worked just as well, or even better. Is there any point at not calling favouritism at Liara at this point? While Liara isn't as likely to be killed in the trilogy, it isn't impossible. At this point, at least Liara's survival has been canonized. So I don't understand why it couldn't have been someone else instead, if all they wanted was hype.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 25, 2020 15:31:58 GMT
Look, I think preparing for the worst is quite fine, and maybe the best given the compete (intentional) uncertainty left by the teaser and devs, but I also understand *why* they decided to use Liara to hype up at least a vast part of the ME fanbase. She’s popular and one of the few characters that can live long enough to be present in a centuries forward game. The other one in Shep’s companions isn’t nearly as popular as her. I'd argue Garrus would have worked just as well, or even better. Is there any point at not calling favouritism at Liara at this point? While Liara isn't as likely to be killed in the trilogy, it isn't impossible. At this point, at least Liara's survival has been canonized. So I don't understand why it couldn't have been someone else instead, if all they wanted was hype. If the centuries-long timeskip theory is true (and it is supported by the few hints we got in the teaser), then Garrus is infeasible as a hype-builder. And I'm inclined to say it worked. I've seen more ME fans hyped for a potential return to the Milky Way than displeased at Liara's inclusion in the teaser.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 25, 2020 16:45:12 GMT
If the centuries-long timeskip theory is true (and it is supported by the few hints we got in the teaser), then Garrus is infeasible as a hype-builder. And I'm inclined to say it worked. I've seen more ME fans hyped for a potential return to the Milky Way than displeased at Liara's inclusion in the teaser. I don't doubt it, but that is only working because the greater public is seeing this as a return to Shepard and co., which this is not. The point, the entire point of it, is that Liara is back. That's the trailer.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 25, 2020 17:05:30 GMT
If the centuries-long timeskip theory is true (and it is supported by the few hints we got in the teaser), then Garrus is infeasible as a hype-builder. And I'm inclined to say it worked. I've seen more ME fans hyped for a potential return to the Milky Way than displeased at Liara's inclusion in the teaser. I don't doubt it, but that is only working because the greater public is seeing this as a return to Shepard and co., which this is not. The point, the entire point of it, is that Liara is back. That's the trailer. I suspect most of them will be open to the idea of a brand new character, nonetheless. Most comments I've seen care more about the Milky Way than Shepard themselves. If anything, they're split between being averse to returning to Andromeda, being cool with either setting, or (to a lesser extent) disappointment that Andromeda's plot threads are being seemingly abandoned.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 25, 2020 17:14:36 GMT
I suspect most of them will be open to the idea of a brand new character, nonetheless. I don't think they will appreciate getting honeydicked and then blueballed. Most comments I've seen care more about the Milky Way than Shepard themselves All I see is comments about Shepard and the old crew. If anything, they're split between being averse to returning to Andromeda, being cool with either setting, or (to a lesser extent) disappointment that Andromeda's plot threads are being seemingly abandoned. While I do see these posts, none of them seem to be about anything particular in the Milky Way. Honestly, without the characters, what is there? Like, I have no particular attachment to any of the races or the state of the galaxy, 600 years into the future of ME3. Who gives a shit? Whether it takes place in Andromeda, the Milky Way, the Sombrero or the Helix galaxies, what's the difference? None of these places will be recognizable, none of the characters we know will be there and what it boils down to, again, is Liara. Maybe if Liara is that important to you, she can carry this title for you. Or for anyone. Get used to her. She's staying. Possibly for all the future ME has.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 25, 2020 17:52:36 GMT
I suspect most of them will be open to the idea of a brand new character, nonetheless. I don't think they will appreciate getting honeydicked and then blueballed. Most comments I've seen care more about the Milky Way than Shepard themselves All I see is comments about Shepard and the old crew. I've seen plenty of comments noting Liara looking older and wanting a new character, even on YouTube (which is where the majority of the pro-Shepard comments are for me). And outside of it, in forums and other websites, it is noted as a very real possibility. So I'll have to disagree. I personally don't care much about Liara, but I don't see why that's a problem. Again, only on this forum have I seen people this displeased at Liara's presence in the teaser to such an extent. Given the MW setting, she'd have to be here one way or another, and even those who acknowledge the possibility of a timeskip - even those who'd rather see Shepard & co. again - are, for the most part, happy to see an OT character again. Only on BSN will you find such amazing takes.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 25, 2020 17:54:31 GMT
the trailer showed a jacked up MW. People don't want the MW because its the MW, they want it for Omega, the citadel, illium etc. and the characters in it. I think people could give the characters a pass if the MW still distinctly felt like the MW, if both are either gone or unrecognizable there is no point in the MW. If its jacked up enough its no better than Andromeda as a setting because it now has Andromeda's flaws in how it is effectively a undeveloped setting with villages and outposts instead of cities. Villages and outposts work for fantasy games, but for Sci-Fi you want massive cities filled with wonder. If you don't have that, you need actual exploration, something Bioware can't seem to deliver on.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 25, 2020 18:13:20 GMT
I've seen plenty of comments noting Liara looking older and wanting a new character, even on YouTube (which is where the majority of the pro-Shepard comments are for me). And outside of it, in forums and other websites, it is noted as a very real possibility. So I'll have to disagree. I see it in other communities and especially the big gaming media sites, where usually most normies get their info and it's all about the trilogy characters. All my friends are talking about it, as well. We'll see. I personally don't care much about Liara, but I don't see why that's a problem. Again, only on this forum have I seen people this displeased at Liara's presence in the teaser to such an extent. Given the MW setting, she'd have to be here one way or another, and even those who acknowledge the possibility of a timeskip - even those who'd rather see Shepard & co. again - are, for the most part, happy to see an OT character again. Only on BSN will you find such amazing takes. The problem is the favoritism. I'm glad she's back, but she's the only one back. Again. Would be nice to see some characters other than Liara, but we're not getting that. And it's not just that, it's the obvious way in which she is going to be used. They're going to bring her back, to endorse the new characters. Which is a good way to pass the torch and one I would normally endorse, but a lot of people have been left with a sour taste from ME3 and I get that it's been almost nine years and we are still talking about it, but it is still a problem for the setting. If it weren't a problem, Bioware wouldn't be going back to Liara for yet another game. And the worst part is this will be make or break for ME. Either way, there is no plan to fix ME3, regardless of ME5's performance.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 25, 2020 18:25:48 GMT
I've seen plenty of comments noting Liara looking older and wanting a new character, even on YouTube (which is where the majority of the pro-Shepard comments are for me). And outside of it, in forums and other websites, it is noted as a very real possibility. So I'll have to disagree. I see it in other communities and especially the big gaming media sites, where usually most normies get their info and it's all about the trilogy characters. All my friends are talking about it, as well. We'll see. So do I, but it's far from dominating talk around the teaser out there, I can assure you. Well, if NME takes place shortly after the trilogy, I'll definitely agree on you regarding the favoritism aspect. But assuming it's a centuries-long timeskip, she's basically the best fit to advertise a return to the OG galaxy, where it all began. And after Andromeda? Hey, I can't blame them. Only thing to do is stick around and see what comes out.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 25, 2020 18:44:28 GMT
So do I, but it's far from dominating talk around the teaser out there, I can assure you. I think it is. And we'll see that when the reveal for when ME5 takes place and who it involves really comes around. Maybe Liara alone will be enough. Well, if NME takes place shortly after the trilogy, I'll definitely agree on you regarding the favoritism aspect. But assuming it's a centuries-long timeskip, she's basically the best fit to advertise a return to the OG galaxy, where it all began. And after Andromeda? Hey, I can't blame them. Only thing to do is stick around and see what comes out. That's the point. They realize they have a problem and the answer to that problem, is rolling out more Liara, compared to the previous title. They're placing it ... if Bioware intended to bring the others back, they would make a game set the day after the Crucible fired. They're not doing that, so that they will have an excuse for not bringing the others back, only Liara. They're trying to fix ME3 with Liara and the very vocal minority that wants more Andromeda with this title and it is guaranteed to satisfy neither camp. They honeydicked the public for a second time and now they're going to blueball them again. It's a repeat. This has bad idea written all over it. Personally, I'd cancel it.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 25, 2020 19:15:25 GMT
So do I, but it's far from dominating talk around the teaser out there, I can assure you. I think it is. And we'll see that when the reveal for when ME5 takes place and who it involves really comes around. Maybe Liara alone will be enough. Well, if NME takes place shortly after the trilogy, I'll definitely agree on you regarding the favoritism aspect. But assuming it's a centuries-long timeskip, she's basically the best fit to advertise a return to the OG galaxy, where it all began. And after Andromeda? Hey, I can't blame them. Only thing to do is stick around and see what comes out. That's the point. They realize they have a problem and the answer to that problem, is rolling out more Liara, compared to the previous title. They're placing it ... if Bioware intended to bring the others back, they would make a game set the day after the Crucible fired. They're not doing that, so that they will have an excuse for not bringing the others back, only Liara. They're trying to fix ME3 with Liara and the very vocal minority that wants more Andromeda with this title and it is guaranteed to satisfy neither camp. They honeydicked the public for a second time and now they're going to blueball them again. It's a repeat. This has bad idea written all over it. Personally, I'd cancel it. Honestly, it just sounds like you're looking for a reason to point at everything BioWare did with the teaser and call all of it a bad marketing decision from the get-go. Sit back. Relax. Take a chill pill. Wait until actual concrete details on the setting and protagonist are announced. If the internet explodes in rage as you clearly seem to expect, you can go all in with your skepticism. If it doesn't, don't give two shits and go on regardless. Fool-proof plan, brother. Works everytime. Me, I'll just do the first two steps, and the third as well if what I hear isn't to my liking. Simple as that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 25, 2020 19:52:55 GMT
[quote Honestly, it just sounds like you're looking for a reason to point at everything BioWare did with the teaser and call all of it a bad marketing decision from the get-go. That's because this is a bad marketing decision. Sit back. Relax. Take a chill pill. We're in a Bioware discussion forum. What are we supposed to discuss? crochet? Wait until actual concrete details on the setting and protagonist are announced. We know it isn't Shepard. The public thinks it is. Regardless of who the protagonist is, there's going to be criticism and a sharp drop in interest, shortly after. We're, effectively, on course for an Andromeda 2, with 5 years ahead of us. Fool-proof plan, brother. Works everytime. Me, I'll just do the first two steps, and the third as well if what I hear isn't to my liking. Simple as that. We already know what's going to happen. Anyone pretending that there isn't prevalent community interest in Shepard returning and the old crew along with them, or that the public prefers to see a new protagonist, after seeing Liara, or a return to Andromeda, after the initial's reception, is at the very least underestimating the situation.
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