Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion)

.... Did you just quote a Guns and Roses song?

I mean, I agree that they’re not comparable...which is why I didn’t t compare then. I’m not sure why you did.
I specifically mentioned the example of the gore in DA2 to show that my point was about content that leads to a mature rating, and that has to be stated to be present before release. This doesn’t mean I can’t criticize certain scenes or events related to this kind of content if it’s done badly.

If you think otherwise, again, it’s fair, but your post seemed to imply that just because it’s a mature game with pre-established themes, that the public knows about it, you can’t criticize said content.

Because I wanted to make a point that I am not setting double standards, because I do criticize ME. A lot. All of it. Getting a butt shot of Miranda bothers me just as much as getting a butt shot of Jacob, or, why not, should there be a butt shot of Shepard. It is irrelevant, harmless and affects no one. And even for the sake of argument, let's say that it does get changed. What does that accomplish? You take the 5 seconds of that scene more seriously? The shots are dynamic and change constantly. You're going to waste money, time and effort to change the five seconds of a clip, in the 120 hours it takes to finish the trilogy. A scene which has no bearing on the plot and, unfortunately, does not fix the trilogy's biggest problem, by removing it.


I don't think it is done badly. In fact, had Bioware not said a peep about changing it, I wouldn't even notice it was changed. Mostly because I would never have played the remaster, but unless someone would point it out, even if I did play it, the moment would have passed by unnoticed, because it is a 5 second clip, in a series of shots. Because the butt shot was never an issue.


Criticize it by all means, but the butt shot is the least of the game's problems and it's just harmless fun. But it does show where Bioware's priorities lie. And it isn't just that. There are a lot more implied in that one paragraph (remember not the "entire" model, but parts of that model are OK to change) and since there really was no reason to change that, but Bioware changed that, nonetheless and made a point of it, to get exactly the reaction from the people that push for things like these. And I'm not in favour of that.

I do agree that there could be more important things to fix in the trilogy then butt shots. The problem is, that even if BioWare wanted to change the endings (which they don’t), they wouldn’t be able to, in regards of the resource at their disposal for the remaster. The time and resources spent to change a camera shot isn’t comparable to the ones requires to change the endings.

I mean, the MP is something that became vastly popular, and that nobody would’ve complained if they worked on to include it, and they didn’t include it. Same goes for cut content that would be quite popular.
Now, we can debate the fact that BioWare didn’t, almost surely, even thing about changing the endings, but I don’t think it’s comparable to the camera shots. The resources required for those two things are on a different level.

Because based on the resources at their disposal, they can change something, and because EA gathered or realized there's enough demand for a remaster, and they didn't want or could go into the remake path. 

And, based on the reaction online, there are people that care enough, at least in regards of changing stuff in the first game...with different and contrasting opinion.

You should keep in mind that even the decision of changing the endings isn't as easy as you seem to think. Putting aside the part of the fanbase that want to keep the endings (they exist, regardess if they're the minority or not), even if they decided to change them, they could've very well screwed them up even further. There's no guarantee that the new endings would satisfy the players that loathed the original ones.

I'm pretty sure there will be outrage if any fanservice for men got cut.

Then come back when you do have the budget for it.


And there are many reasons for it. Primarily, the fact that it doesn't break the games by being there. Secondly, why change it, when it is literally a non-issue? And thirdly, who gets offended by a butt shot, in a game directed for adults, with explicit mentions to adult content in the cover? I don't understand how, of all the issues that you could have about any of the games, this is the thing that breaks Mass Effect for some people, to make that big of an issue to demand Bioware change it. It's a passing 5 second shot of a woman's clothed ass. Who is offended by this? And why is it so offensive for Miranda's ass and not the many scenes of Jacob's ass? Or Shirtless Jacob. No. This was made exactly for the "journalists" of Kotaku and Polygon who keep pushing for these things. Literally, the least respected publications around. Maybe to get a good review score from them and write how the ME3 endings are the best endings in video game history. Except TLoU2.


There are people who like The Last Jedi, too. There are people who also like cannibalism and necrophilia. Not to say that people who like TLJ are cannibals and/or necrophilles. If there's something that's bad, you will find someone that likes it. That someone likes something ruinous, isn't a defense. If Bioware can't think of a way to make these endings better, then they should hire someone that can make them better. People who know how to write do exist. And yes, the endings are ruinous to the franchise. I think we have enough data to concede that at least.

Did you mean for women/people that like men, correct? I mean, Miranda's buttshots are fanservice for straight men.
Aside for the Jacob's shirtless scene, which is part of his romance subplot (so, I'd compare it more to female squadmates being half-naked in their sex scenes), I don't recall any other fanservice scene? Thane has his chest partially exposed, but the same could be said for Samara.

Its not a 50/50 distribution or anything but there is plenty of fan service for people attracted to men.

I agree on your opinion of the endings, overall, although I guess I view the consequences on the franchise slightly less negative then you, in the sense that the franchise coudl've get back to its feet if Andromeda didn't go through the problems it did.

I honestly don't think you'd want a remake of the trilogy. Even if they'd be able to make endings you'd find good or satisfying, I'm pretty sure you'd fine a lot to complain about other changes they'll make, because I'm sure that with enough budget and resources, they'd change a lot.

I don't recall scenes where the camera fixes on Jacob's butt and remains still until you pick a dialogue option, but if they're here, then yes, I'd remove them too. It's not, for me at least, about being offended by them. If there are scenes that focus on a body part, to highlight a character's sensuality, I'm all for it. But the shots in ME2 were, mostly, dumb for me. Miranda's ass looks nice, but the scene remains dumb. That's the 'issue' for a lot of people, not their sensitivity being offended by the presence of a butt, but the stupidity behind the decision.

I don't think Kotaku or Polygon has anything to do with this decision, to be honest, and if they'd complain about this bit in the way they did, the trilogy is still full of other things of that nature that will still be present in the LE, like Ashey's redesign. And if they loathed the endings originally, they'd still criticize them, regardless of the removal of the butt shots.