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Post by telanadas on Feb 6, 2021 9:37:07 GMT
If BW are updating the game to be less gratuitous they should also update Jack's attire to something more wearable than a belt over her nipples. Maybe they should also look into removing the high heels from Samara and Miranda, as they are clearly not even believable in a combat situation even if they have biotics.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 9:47:45 GMT
Maybe let's put all the ladies in space suits to make sure no one will find them "attractive".
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 10:19:30 GMT
After reading article about possible changes in ME LE i'am wondering what they will do about these: - Will they keep Ash comments regarding aliens which can be described as a racist ? - Will they keep sex option with Sha'ira as a part of the payment for a service for Shep ? - Will they keep renegade option for Shep against Khalisah Al-Jilani where you can punch her as this can be described as violence against women ? There are many more things which can be considered as a unacceptable, so... They seemingly aren’t going to change any story/dialogue content, so I guess they wouldn’t? It seems their focus is on something that can be easily changed without too much work on it. The bit of Ashley would at least require additional VA work to change it. It doesn’t seem, from what I heard, that they’re going to change dialogues or story content.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 10:25:03 GMT
Maybe let's put all the ladies in space suits to make sure no one will find them "attractive". I see nothing wrong in keeping the old outfits and giving more options in terms of attire, for those that had problems with the way some outfits and mask breathers breaks the lore. That goes beyond the women, at least for me. Thane, Mordin, and even Zaeed and Grunt. Or Garrus and the dumb decision to keep the broken armor. For me at least, the outfit issue was never a problem about the female ones, or giving an option to people to wear them, but not giving the other side cool looking, sci-fi armours and outfits that aren’t lore-breaking. It seems BioWare agrees in any case with your stance, given that Samara and Jack have their original attires in the trailer. If they were keen on changing them, they’d have taken the chance to showcase the changes.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 10:27:31 GMT
It changes on daily basis. 3 days ago no one expect they will be changing any "camera angles" at all. Who knows what they will announce next week.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 10:33:06 GMT
It changes on daily basis. 3 days ago no one expect they will be changing any "camera angles" at all. Who knows what they will announce next week. The news on the butt shot was already discussed either Tuesday, or Wednesday, it’s not something that came up yesterday. And it was actually the perfect opportunity to say that based on their new stance, they’d revise some outfits. They didn’t. While I agree that anything can change at this point, I don’t see the point of showing off characters on certain outfits, when they’re planning to scrap them in just a few months. It’ll be dumb. I mean, Ashley’s redesign in ME3, as far as I recall, had a far more negative reception and less split in the fanbase then Jack or Samara’s outfit, and they’re keeping it, seemingly, by a shot shown from a dlc. I’d say it’s far more likely that they’d add more outfits for the squadmates, then scrap the original outfits.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 10:33:32 GMT
Maybe let's put all the ladies in space suits to make sure no one will find them "attractive". I see nothing wrong in keeping the old outfits and giving more options in terms of attire, for those that had problems with the way some outfits and mask breathers breaks the lore. That goes beyond the women, at least for me. Thane, Mordin, and even Zaeed and Grunt. Or Garrus and the dumb decision to keep the broken armor. If someone is feeling offended or uncomfortable with these "camera angles" BioWare should add an option to remove them in game menu. Simple. No need to cut it off. Panam from CP2077 got much more "interesting camera angles" than Miranda and i don't hear any complaints.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 10:35:16 GMT
It changes on daily basis. 3 days ago no one expect they will be changing any "camera angles" at all. Who knows what they will announce next week. The news on the butt shot was already discussed either Tuesday, or Wednesday, it’s not something that came up yesterday. And it was actually the perfect opportunity to say that based on their new stance, they’d revise some outfits. They didn’t. While I agree that anything can change at this point, I don’t see the point of showing off characters on certain outfits, when they’re planning to scrap them in just a few months. It’ll be dumb. I mean, Ashley’s redesign in ME3, as far as I recall, had a far more negative reception and less split in the fanbase then Jack or Samara’s outfit, and they’re keeping it, seemingly, by a shot shown from a dlc. I’d say it’s far more likely that they’d add more outfits for the squadmates, then scrap the original outfits. I think many of us expect more story related changes (fixing issues, repairing codex etc) than outfit related changes (removing camera angles) in ME LE.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 10:38:38 GMT
I see nothing wrong in keeping the old outfits and giving more options in terms of attire, for those that had problems with the way some outfits and mask breathers breaks the lore. That goes beyond the women, at least for me. Thane, Mordin, and even Zaeed and Grunt. Or Garrus and the dumb decision to keep the broken armor. If someone is feeling offended or uncomfortable with these "camera angles" BioWare should add an option to remove them in game menu. Simple. No need to cut it off. Panam from CP2077 got much more "interesting camera angles" than Miranda and i don't hear any complaints. I can’t talk of what shot are you referring to, but at least for me, and seemingly others, I don’t think the butt shots are offensive. They’re just dumb, in the way they are placed, as it was dumb in vanilla DA2 how the gore effects were exaggerated. As I said before though, I don’t care either way, if they removed them or not. I just not think it’s a big deal, given the context of those. Their presence, or absence, doesn’t move the needle in either direction on the positive/negative scale. It seems that for others, it has however either a positive or negative effect, so fair enough.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 10:40:10 GMT
The news on the butt shot was already discussed either Tuesday, or Wednesday, it’s not something that came up yesterday. And it was actually the perfect opportunity to say that based on their new stance, they’d revise some outfits. They didn’t. While I agree that anything can change at this point, I don’t see the point of showing off characters on certain outfits, when they’re planning to scrap them in just a few months. It’ll be dumb. I mean, Ashley’s redesign in ME3, as far as I recall, had a far more negative reception and less split in the fanbase then Jack or Samara’s outfit, and they’re keeping it, seemingly, by a shot shown from a dlc. I’d say it’s far more likely that they’d add more outfits for the squadmates, then scrap the original outfits. I think many of us expect more story related changes (fixing issues, repairing codex etc) than outfit related changes (removing camera angles) in ME LE. Gotcha. It seems however that they are also doing that, in regards of fixing issues, bugs and glitches. Whether it’ll be enough, I don’t know. I guess we’d have to wait and see post release the full scope of the fixing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 10:47:37 GMT
Maybe let's put all the ladies in space suits to make sure no one will find them "attractive". Barbarella was in a space suit. But that just made it sexier.
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Post by michaeln7 on Feb 6, 2021 10:53:30 GMT
If BW are updating the game to be less gratuitous they should also update Jack's attire to something more wearable than a belt over her nipples. Maybe they should also look into removing the high heels from Samara and Miranda, as they are clearly not even believable in a combat situation even if they have biotics. This is why I always have Jack wear the vest-n-shades outfit. I believe people should wear what they wish (and handle the consequences, whatever they may be, if any). But for a woman who sleeps under the Engineering deck specifically because it's difficult to find and/or see her... That "default" outfit of hers makes her stick out.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 11:04:44 GMT
If BW are updating the game to be less gratuitous they should also update Jack's attire to something more wearable than a belt over her nipples. Maybe they should also look into removing the high heels from Samara and Miranda, as they are clearly not even believable in a combat situation even if they have biotics. You fail to realize that the characters dressed in a certain way to look iconic and memorable. A very important part of making the crew important to the players. And this relates to their introductions as well. Samara's intro is fucking amazing and the only thing, the only word I would use to describe Samara, would be regal. To me, she looks regal. And I don't think that wearing anything else, would exemplify her as such. As for the heels, just an FYI, Margot Robbie in Suicide Squad does a wall run backflip in an elevator. A scene she repeated multiple times during filming. She did it on her own, while wearing heels. Not assisted by gear, not a stunt double. Margot Robbie.
Not saying it is practical, just saying it isn't as important as you might think. It's also a video game, so as I've said before, go nuts. If you're not allowed to do stylish, cool shit in video games, only 100% realism, I don't want to play video games anymore. And neither do you.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 11:11:35 GMT
If BW are updating the game to be less gratuitous they should also update Jack's attire to something more wearable than a belt over her nipples. Maybe they should also look into removing the high heels from Samara and Miranda, as they are clearly not even believable in a combat situation even if they have biotics. You fail to realize that the characters dressed in a certain way to look iconic and memorable. A very important part of making the crew important to the players. And this relates to their introductions as well. Samara's intro is fucking amazing and the only thing, the only word I would use to describe Samara, would be regal. To me, she looks regal. And I don't think that wearing anything else, would exemplify her as such. As for the heels, just an FYI, Margot Robbie in Suicide Squad does a wall run backflip in an elevator. A scene she repeated multiple times during filming. She did it on her own, while wearing heels. Not assisted by gear, not a stunt double. Margot Robbie.
Not saying it is practical, just saying it isn't as important as you might think. It's also a video game, so as I've said before, go nuts. If you're not allowed to do stylish, cool shit in video games, only 100% realism, I don't want to play video games anymore. And neither do you.
I disagree with you on this point: you’re assuming that just because people want characters to be dressed in lore- friendly attires, that they don’t want them to be cool looking, or attractive, or iconic. I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive, as for example, having Samara in another outfit that would make her look regal. Although a simple solution is to give every squadmates different outfits that could satisfy both sides.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 6, 2021 11:11:40 GMT
If BW are updating the game to be less gratuitous they should also update Jack's attire to something more wearable than a belt over her nipples. Maybe they should also look into removing the high heels from Samara and Miranda, as they are clearly not even believable in a combat situation even if they have biotics. I approve of this. Actual clothes for Jack, and removal of the ankle-breaker footwear in combat. Not gonna happen though. As for the heels, just an FYI, Margot Robbie in Suicide Squad does a wall run backflip in an elevator. A scene she repeated multiple times during filming. She did it on her own, while wearing heels. Not assisted by gear, not a stunt double. Margot Robbie. I know a woman who can deadlift 150 kilograms in heels, but shes the only one who can do it. She can deadlift 170+ without them though - I doubt she would wear them in competition. Nobody sane pulls off weird stunts when they're conducting serious business, aka competitions...or combat, when your life is on the line.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 6, 2021 11:23:25 GMT
Ugh. I didn't know about the reveal trailer and the changes they've made.
Guess I won't be buying the LE then after all. Not enough that the moral police is crippling everything new that could have been great, now they're also destroying the memory of my favorite games. Fuck that!
I'm so sick and tired of current society. It's like going back to the religious tyranny of the Middle Ages.
And then it's not even consistent madness. Because they're not adding the Kaidan romance to ME1. Oh no, this crazy movement isn't interested in equality. They just want to censor everything. Men are all evil. I guess female empowerment means shitting on everything and shaming everyone who doesn't comply. Let's all strive to hide every inch of skin of women so they're no longer objectified, we've seen how that works out elsewhere...
Bioware is now dead to me.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 11:32:04 GMT
Ugh. I didn't know about the reveal trailer and the changes they've made. Guess I won't be buying the LE then after all. Not enough that the moral police is crippling everything new that could have been great, now they're also destroying the memory of my favorite games. Fuck that! I'm so sick and tired of current society. It's like going back to the religious tyranny of the Middle Ages. And then it's not even consistent madness. Because they're not adding the Kaidan romance to ME1. Oh no, this crazy movement isn't interested in equality. They just want to censor everything. Men are all evil. I guess female empowerment means shitting on everything and shaming everyone who doesn't comply. Let's all strive to hide every inch of skin of women so they're no longer objectified, we've seen how that works out elsewhere... Bioware is now dead to me. yes because the butt shots is what made the story great.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 11:36:44 GMT
Freedom of choice is what made the life great.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 6, 2021 11:36:47 GMT
yes because the butt shots is what made the story great. No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil. Ugh.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 11:39:43 GMT
I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive I think they are. As a fan of comic books, I can tell you that generic, uninteresting design do not make for iconic looks at that hurts character appeal. Alright, let me put it another way. You can create the most generic looking person ever and have them be incredibly memorable and iconic. But it is a really, really big disadvantage. Character looks helped the ME2 squad be well liked. In fact, they are the best liked crew among the majority of ME fans. Not saying you don't like the Andromeda crew, or the ME3 crew or ME1 crew best, but among the greater population, the ME2 crew is the most memorable. You can ask. Outside of Resetera.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 11:42:28 GMT
yes because the butt shots is what made the story great. No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil. Ugh. CDPR should feel ashamed. Just another screenshot from Cyberpunk and nothing wrong with it.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
yes because the butt shots is what made the story great. No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil. Ugh. if they were ridiculious then why the tantrum? They aren't a big deal or neccessary to the story. If they were stuck in there I'd 'enjoy' them as is but I'm glad they are gone.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 11:46:24 GMT
Freedom of choice is what made the life great. You have choice. You can pick cherry, pistacchio and blue moon ice cream. But they all taste like vanilla.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 11:47:22 GMT
Freedom of choice is what made the life great. You have choice. You can pick cherry, pistacchio and blue moon ice cream. But they all taste like vanilla. I prefer strawberry. DAT strawberry.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 11:49:00 GMT
No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil. Ugh. CDPR should feel ashamed. Just another screenshot from Cyberpunk and nothing wrong with it. hardly a one to one comparison.
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