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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 11:49:33 GMT
if they were ridiculious then why the tantrum? Because that was the fun of it. And need I say, if they changed those angles, you also have to take into account the changes the did, but didn't mention. It is highly unlikely it is the only shot the changed, or the only "sexualized" thing they toned down. And to anyone who has a problem with Jack's tit strap Already available. Once again, modders doing a better job than Bioware every will, for you guys, too.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 11:52:10 GMT
Ok here you go. This is Miranda: And this is Panam: Both during the conversation. So is there anything wrong with that ? Both are beautiful, sexy ladies and as a male i will definitely appreciate that. Please don't tell me you never looked at any lady/boy that way. We all did. This is absolutely normal.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 11:53:54 GMT
Nobody sane pulls off weird stunts when they're conducting serious business, aka competitions...or combat, when your life is on the line. You wanna talk to me about realism in a world where people fling shit around with their mind? Nobody cares about whether it is practical or not. It's a video game. Go nuts. If you do care about an imaginary woman, in space, that can manipulate the mass of the objects around her, wearing heels on the battlefield, you have way too much free time. I just enjoy it.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 11:56:58 GMT
if they were ridiculious then why the tantrum? Because that was the fun of it. And need I say, if they changed those angles, you also have to take into account the changes the did, but didn't mention. It is highly unlikely it is the only shot the changed, or the only "sexualized" thing they toned down. And to anyone who has a problem with Jack's tit strap Already available. Once again, modders doing a better job than Bioware every will, for you guys, too. Erm I'm not sure how you could miss it but i play on consoles so mods are few and far between. But bio did have an alternate item pack thay had a good outfit for Jack. Also should go...the stupid face mask things. Ok here you: This is Miranda And this is Panam: Both during the conversation. So is there anything wrong with that ? Both are beautiful, sexy ladies and as a male i will definitely appreciate that. Well thats a better comparison I'll give you that.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 6, 2021 11:58:39 GMT
Ok here you go. This is Miranda: And this is Panam: Both during the conversation. So is there anything wrong with that ? Both are beautiful, sexy ladies and as a male i will definitely appreciate that. Please don't tell me you never looked at any lady/boy that way. We all did. This is absolutely normal. I didn't get that view with Panam in my PTs. Probably because I always approached her from the side of the car to speak to her.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 6, 2021 11:59:24 GMT
It's the hypocrisy of it all that pisses me off.
Objectification of men is still fiiiine. I've just binged Lucifer, a show that is so popular because it features a ridiculously hot male lead who displays his (half) naked body on camera all the time, including naked butt shots. And women drool over him.
Imagine if the female lead got butt shots? Nope. The actress even has a no nudity clause in her contract. Fine by me. Her choice.
I male objectification is part of female empowerment or something, I guess... So then please also ban the female gaze or stop bullshitting.
Sexual freedom is one of the most precious things we have. The more repressive a society is, the less happy. Sexual violence RISES the less there is to see.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:01:29 GMT
Ok here you go. This is Miranda: And this is Panam: Both during the conversation. So is there anything wrong with that ? Both are beautiful, sexy ladies and as a male i will definitely appreciate that. Please don't tell me you never looked at any lady/boy that way. We all did. This is absolutely normal. I didn't get that view with Panam in my PTs. Probably because I always approached her from the side of the car to speak to her. This is when you meet her for the very first time. She is repairing the car quite a bit and to be honest it was the best view at the time. Of course it was done by purpose but c'mon she is beatiful strong woman and potential romance option for a strong male character. Good thing is that Judy romance for ladies is completely different - touchy, delicate and very romantic. So i really don't think there is anything wrong with that.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 12:03:03 GMT
It's the hypocrisy of it all that pisses me off. Objectification of men is still fiiiine. I've just binged Lucifer, a show that is so popular because it features a ridiculously hot male lead who displays his (half) naked body on camera all the time, including naked butt shots. And women drool over him. Imagine if the female lead got butt shots? Nope. The actress even has a no nudity clause in her contract. Fine by me. Her choice. I male objectification is part of female empowerment or something, I guess... So then please also ban the female gaze or stop bullshitting. Sexual freedom is one of the most precious things we have. The more repressive a society is, the less happy. Sexual violence RISES the less there is to see. on that we can certainly agree. Well on the hypocricy angle if nothing else.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 6, 2021 12:06:37 GMT
I didn't get that view with Panam in my PTs. Probably because I always approached her from the side of the car to speak to her. This is when you meet her for the very first time. She is repairing the car quite a bit and to be honest it was the best view at the time. Of course it was done by purpose but c'mon she is beatiful strong woman and potential romance option for a strong male character. Good thing is that Judy romance for ladies is completely different - touchy, delicate and very romantic. So i really don't think there is anything wrong with that. I'm not saying there's anything wrong. I'm merely commenting I don't get that view because I always approach from the side. Even now that I know I'll get that view, I'll still approach from the side because I'll want to see the face of the person I'm talking to.
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Post by Sarayne on Feb 6, 2021 12:08:07 GMT
Just amazing to see like 15+ pages of people actually trying to defend these creep shots of her ass. BTW the difference between Panam and Miri is that CDPR doesn't have multiple cut scenes during serious moments focused right on her ass. Not even close to the same thing.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:08:47 GMT
This is when you meet her for the very first time. She is repairing the car quite a bit and to be honest it was the best view at the time. Of course it was done by purpose but c'mon she is beatiful strong woman and potential romance option for a strong male character. Good thing is that Judy romance for ladies is completely different - touchy, delicate and very romantic. So i really don't think there is anything wrong with that. I'm not saying there's anything wrong. I'm merely commenting I don't get that view because I always approach from the side. Even now that I know I'll get that view, I'll still approach from the side because I'll want to see the face of the person I'm talking to. Freedom of choice my friend I also prefer to see someone's face during converastion, but if i will walk around that car and see her from her back that way - i wouldnt' look away.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 12:09:20 GMT
Erm I'm not sure how you could miss it but i play on consoles so mods are few and far between. That's Bioware's and EA's problem. Back in the day, they considered modding unfair competition and refused to make their games mod friendly. At any point in the, as of now, 11 years since ME2 released and nearly 9 since ME3, they could have released mod tools and provided mod support on consoles, like Bethesda. The mod community does the best it can. Also should go...the stupid face mask things. Jack's visor? A lot of people dislike it. I think it is very much in line with Jack's character. I don't have to like it. But I like that she would like it.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:12:00 GMT
BTW the difference between Panam and Miri is that CDPR doesn't have multiple cut scenes during serious moments focused right on her ass. Are you serious ? She got more shots from the back then you can even imagine.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 12:12:07 GMT
Erm I'm not sure how you could miss it but i play on consoles so mods are few and far between. That's Bioware's and EA's problem. Back in the day, they considered modding unfair competition and refused to make their games mod friendly. At any point in the, as of now, 11 years since ME2 released and nearly 9 since ME3, they could have released mod tools and provided mod support on consoles, like Bethesda. The mod community does the best it can. Also should go...the stupid face mask things. Jack's visor? A lot of people dislike it. I think it is very much in line with Jack's character. I don't have to like it. But I like that she would like it. no the breath masks that Miri and some of the other women wore in low atmo environments in lieu of full helmets.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 12:13:51 GMT
No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil. Ugh. CDPR should feel ashamed. Just another screenshot from Cyberpunk and nothing wrong with it. While none of what happened is due to those kind of shot, I wouldn't use Cyberpunk in any example of a successful and well made game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:13:54 GMT
I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive I think they are. As a fan of comic books, I can tell you that generic, uninteresting design do not make for iconic looks at that hurts character appeal. Who said full suits/armor had to be generic or uninteresting? They can be just as unique or interesting as regular clothes. All from the same franchise. Any fan could tell you immediately who any of them are without ever seeing their faces. Or look at Star Wars, where any fan could tell every prominent clone apart despite them being the same person due to their armor each being personal and iconic.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:16:34 GMT
We are not comparing quality of both games, we are comparing only a specific aspect of it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:17:30 GMT
BTW the difference between Panam and Miri is that CDPR doesn't have multiple cut scenes during serious moments focused right on her ass. Are you serious ? She got more shots from the back then you can even imagine. All up to the player, unlike ME2 where you are forced to see it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:19:54 GMT
Please don't tell me you never looked at any lady/boy that way. We all did. This is absolutely normal. Who is we? I never have, so don't speak for everyone.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:20:15 GMT
Are you serious ? She got more shots from the back then you can even imagine. You talk about freedom of choice, okay here's one: Want butt shots? Play original games. Don't want butt shots? Play Legendary Edition. There, simple. I can hardly call it a choice. Giving me an option to switch something on and off is a real choice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:20:57 GMT
You talk about freedom of choice, okay here's one: Want butt shots? Play original games. Don't want butt shots? Play Legendary Edition. There, simple. I can hardly call it a choice. Giving me an option to switch something on and off is a real choice. It's more freedom than your side is imposing.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:21:15 GMT
Please don't tell me you never looked at any lady/boy that way. We all did. This is absolutely normal. Who is we? I never have, so don't speak for everyone. Oh, i'am really sorry. That's something new.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:22:20 GMT
I can hardly call it a choice. Giving me an option to switch something on and off is a real choice. It's more freedom than your side is imposing. Ups I can see that I have stepped on someone's print.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 12:25:03 GMT
We are not comparing quality of both games, we are comparing only a specific aspect of it. True, but ME2, even in its censored state, if we want to call that what'll happen in the LE, it'd still be a much better game then Cyberpunk, with all its sexual freedom (which I'm not going to debate because I read differing opinion in relations of people with other preferences). My point is, while we can argue about this, a game's overall quality is more often then not unrelated to those themes. It shouldn't be, in my opinion, such a big focus.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 12:27:43 GMT
Who said full suits/armor had to be generic or uninteresting? They can be just as unique or interesting as regular clothes. Maybe. But I am assuming that, if Bioware were to go with armours for the characters, they would be more along the lines of ME1, with some forgettable designs, that you'd swap over, once the new one with the better stats dropped. As for the ME3 style they did, they were utterly forgettable and ugly.
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