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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 12:29:16 GMT
Seeing as we have gone back to butts....
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 6, 2021 12:30:58 GMT
We are not comparing quality of both games, we are comparing only a specific aspect of it. True, but ME2, even in its censored state, if we want to call that what'll happen in the LE, it'd still be a much better game then Cyberpunk, with all its sexual freedom (which I'm not going to debate because I read differing opinion in relations of people with other preferences). My point is, while we can argue about this, a game's overall quality is more often then not unrelated to those themes. It shouldn't be, in my opinion, such a big focus. Thank you for the discussion but it will be better if we will finish it right now as some people are definitely not very happy with it. I will be not apologising for being a male who loves to admire female body. The game was designed that way and I never have any problem with that, if someone is not happy with that kind of content BioWare should add an option to hide it. Simple.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:31:28 GMT
Who said full suits/armor had to be generic or uninteresting? They can be just as unique or interesting as regular clothes. Maybe. But I am assuming that, if Bioware were to go with armours for the characters, they would be more along the lines of ME1, with some forgettable designs, that you'd swap over, once the new one with the better stats dropped. As for the ME3 style they did, they were utterly forgettable and ugly. Well at least you acknowledge my basic point. So you’re using the game with the least resources as your basis? Lol okay. Future ME games go against that. For example Cora and Liam had different suits than regular human AI personnel. DAI would change the appearance of an armor depending on who was wearing it. And so on. By ME3 style, you mean the alternative armors? If so they were far better than ME2’s whose most were absolute garbage.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 12:35:32 GMT
Well at least you acknowledge my basic point. So you’re using the game with the least resources as your basis? Lol okay. Future ME games go against that. For example Cora and Liam had different suits than regular human AI personnel. DAI would change the appearance of an armor depending on who was wearing it. And so on. By ME3 style, you mean the alternative armors? If so they were far better than ME2’s whose most were absolute garbage. I got to say, I didn't like any of the ME3/ME:A designs. I found them boring, or ugly, or both. ME2's were more exciting.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:37:11 GMT
Well at least you acknowledge my basic point. So you’re using the game with the least resources as your basis? Lol okay. Future ME games go against that. For example Cora and Liam had different suits than regular human AI personnel. DAI would change the appearance of an armor depending on who was wearing it. And so on. By ME3 style, you mean the alternative armors? If so they were far better than ME2’s whose most were absolute garbage. I got to say, I didn't like any of the ME3/ME:A designs. I found them boring, or ugly, or both. ME2's were more exciting. ME2’s were boring, ugly, and idiotic. Also if you hate the ME3 look so much, why are you using the ME3 look in your avatar?
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 6, 2021 12:44:04 GMT
yes because the butt shots is what made the story great. No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil.Ugh. Don't worry, I'm sure sexual predator Femshep (Jacob / James at Citadel DLC) will be fine...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:45:38 GMT
No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil.Ugh. Don't worry, I'm sure sexual predator Femshep (Jacob / James at Citadel DLC) will be fine... Another reason Citadel was terrible.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 12:46:23 GMT
No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil.Ugh. Don't worry, I'm sure sexual predator Femshep (Jacob / James at Citadel DLC) will be fine... Wait, doesn't Femshep slaps Jacob in the dlc?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 12:46:39 GMT
No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil.Ugh. Don't worry, I'm sure sexual predator Femshep (Jacob / James at Citadel DLC) will be fine... Unless of course Sexaul Harassment Panda spawns into the game.... 😉
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 12:48:07 GMT
Also if you hate the ME3 look so much, why are you using the ME3 look in your avatar? I have no problem with Jack's look, even as I prefer ME2's. And I didn't make that picture. However ... Liara looks fat and bloated I can't even recall how Kaidan looked in armour Ashley was ... at least they gave her a unique look Tali/Garrus did they change at all? Vega was ... I don't recall if it is the same as what I think is Kaidan's or if I think his armour is actually Kaidan's and not his and I am not really making any sense, because I ... the only thing I remember about Vega was how he Zell'd his way from fixing a radar on Rannoch. That's his only use in the entire game. Am I forgetting someone?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2021 12:52:55 GMT
Don't worry, I'm sure sexual predator Femshep (Jacob / James at Citadel DLC) will be fine... Wait, doesn't Femshep slaps Jacob in the dlc? Maybe they meant Javik?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 12:56:19 GMT
Wait, doesn't Femshep slaps Jacob in the dlc? She talks down to him, but I think the Jacob slap is a mod. Let me check.
Yeah, femshep can slap Jacob.
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Post by Sarayne on Feb 6, 2021 12:56:35 GMT
Honestly the James romance was even worse than Javik Very YIKES
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Post by Radec on Feb 6, 2021 12:58:49 GMT
No, they were ridiculous. Eye rolling. Aimed at teenage boys. But so what? Sex sells. Women who feel threatened by that need to get over themselves. I did. They had one job. Brush up the visuals and add all DLC. But nooo, this is 2021, so we gotta get rid of the naughty. It's evil. Sex and desire are evil.Ugh. Don't worry, I'm sure sexual predator Femshep (Jacob / James at Citadel DLC) will be fine... Or another classic Thane: Tells sad story about how his wife died. Is clearly very affected. FemShep: I WANT YOU
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 12:58:49 GMT
Wait, doesn't Femshep slaps Jacob in the dlc? She talks down to him, but I think the Jacob slap is a mod. Let me check.
Yeah, femshep can slap Jacob.
Does it come with a falcon punch soundtrack?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 12:59:02 GMT
Honestly the James romance was even worse than Javik Very YIKES Nothing says romance like getting a man drunk and fucking him senseless. Can't count how many times that happened to me. But my ass is usually sore in the morning.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 12:59:39 GMT
I think they made Liara's body curvier in ME3, but I don't think she looks either fat or bloated. I personally found Samara more attractive though. I like the decision for Kaidan's armour, although I'd have preferred a more unique one. Vega has a different armour, at least the standard one. It's the same or very similar to Shepard's Defender Armour. Garrus, I think they removed the bandages, but his armour his miles better then the dumb broken one in ME2. Tali, I think they only slightly changed her outfit. Ashley is...let's just say that her new appearance doensn't match at all her personality, and what she straight out said on those type of outfits and makeup in ME. But Miranda wasn't going to be present in the full squad, so they had to make Ashley's look 'prettier'. I mean, if Bioware wanted to have a 'sexy' woman in the full squad, there was an easy solution, just add Miranda in full! I'd have got my canon romance in the squad, and they could've worked on a unique design for Ashley, if they wanted, that it'd have matched her personality and beliefs.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 13:01:26 GMT
Don't worry, I'm sure sexual predator Femshep (Jacob / James at Citadel DLC) will be fine... Or another classic Thane: Tells sad story about how his wife died. Is clearly very affected. FemShep: I WANT YOU To be quite honest, a few of the 'pickup' lines in ME2 were quite cringeworthy. And the facial animations didn't help. Speaking of...I hope they'll fix Creepy Sheploo.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Feb 6, 2021 13:04:37 GMT
I really can't understand the anger about changing this shot. Like, you can see her more or less naked in the game later so it's obviously not about them being prude but about the shot making no sense in the context. Imagine having a talk with Thane about the murder of his wife and zooming in on his crotch, I'd find that pretty disturbing. The issue isn't asses or boobs or whatever, the issue is putting them there purely for gratification even if it means taking a character and their issues less seriously. If they remove the sex scenes completely out of some kind of puritanical need to shield our innocent eyes I'd agree, but this one is an easy fix that doesn't change any story or dialogue but does do the scene more justice. Also, I must really not have been paying attention with Jacob, I do remember my Shepard making a weird face and leaning in a bit suggestively but other than that there was no slapping faces or asses or whatever y'all are talking about. Although tbf, my eyes were pretty solidly on Garrus from the start (with some ogling at Thane).
Edit* OMG I forgot about the Thane conversation, that one is so tone deaf and I really wish they could redo it!
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 13:05:21 GMT
On Citadel, putting aside the problems with the pacing of said dlc with the overall story of ME3, I like/loved some moments and squadmate dialogues in it. And the opportunity of having Wrex in the squad is always welcome.
That said...the romance additions were mostly cringe and weird, or meh (Samara). And Jacob's being punched/slapped doesn't redeem Bioware for the slap to the face of the (Admittedly, few) players that romanced him. I don't mind at all his 'arc' if he's not romanced, but if you don't have the resources to do an alternate one when romanced, just do something else.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2021 13:06:24 GMT
I really can't understand the anger about changing this shot. Like, you can see her more or less naked in the game later so it's obviously not about them being prude but about the shot making no sense in the context. Imagine having a talk with Thane about the murder of his wife and zooming in on his crotch, I'd find that pretty disturbing. The issue isn't asses or boobs or whatever, the issue is putting them there purely for gratification even if it means taking a character and their issues less seriously. If they remove the sex scenes completely out of some kind of puritanical need to shield our innocent eyes I'd agree, but this one is an easy fix that doesn't change any story or dialogue but does do the scene more justice. Also, I must really not have been paying attention with Jacob, I do remember my Shepard making a weird face and leaning in a bit suggestively but other than that there was no slapping faces or asses or whatever y'all are talking about. Although tobf, my eyes were pretty solidly on Garrus from the start (with some ogling at Thane).
Edit* OMG I forgot about the Thane conversation, that one is so tone deaf and I really wish they could redo it!
The slap/punch is in the Citadel dlc, where femshep has a chance to unleash on Jacob for basically cheating on her post Arrival.
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Post by ClarkKent on Feb 6, 2021 13:07:11 GMT
I know it's all relative, and everything we argue about here is basically bullshit anyway- but I couldn't imagine getting angry about Bioware removing a dumb ass shot.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2021 13:07:54 GMT
I think they made Liara's body curvier in ME3, but I don't think she looks either fat or bloated. I personally found Samara more attractive though. I like the decision for Kaidan's armour, although I'd have preferred a more unique one. Vega has a different armour, at least the standard one. It's the same or very similar to Shepard's Defender Armour. Garrus, I think they removed the bandages, but his armour his miles better then the dumb broken one in ME2. Tali, I think they only slightly changed her outfit. Ashley is...let's just say that her new appearance doensn't match at all her personality, and what she straight out said on those type of outfits and makeup in ME. But Miranda wasn't going to be present in the full squad, so they had to make Ashley's look 'prettier'. I mean, if Bioware wanted to have a 'sexy' woman in the full squad, there was an easy solution, just add Miranda in full! I'd have got my canon romance in the squad, and they could've worked on a unique design for Ashley, if they wanted, that it'd have matched her personality and beliefs. And it's not like they didn't get Yvonne back for Miranda at all. They even had her for Citadel and she had a lower mortality rate than either Garrus or Tali, if I recall, with only Jacob being the one nearly impossible to kill off. If I recall the numbers Bioware had given in a ME2 infomatic, Jacob had a 92% survival rate, Miranda's was 88%, Garus was 77% and Tali was 74%. Jack had only a 14% if I recall. Because nobody upgraded the ship, it seems.
I think that, if Bioware wanted to, with such high survival rates, they could have excused Miranda and Jacob being on the ship, especially since they both worked for Cerberus, which is what you were fighting against at least 50% of the game. Especially with how anemic the roster was and their classes, the crew could have really used them both.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Feb 6, 2021 13:09:06 GMT
The slap/punch is in the Citadel dlc, where femshep has a chance to unleash on Jacob for basically cheating on her post Arrival. Huh, never romanced him so never got that. Seems excessive and abusive? Although Shepard has a (potential) history of punching reporters, so maybe just in line with character... But what about the part I see people mentioning getting him drunk and in bed? Please tell me that doesn't actually happen!
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 13:10:10 GMT
I think they made Liara's body curvier in ME3, but I don't think she looks either fat or bloated. I personally found Samara more attractive though. I like the decision for Kaidan's armour, although I'd have preferred a more unique one. Vega has a different armour, at least the standard one. It's the same or very similar to Shepard's Defender Armour. Garrus, I think they removed the bandages, but his armour his miles better then the dumb broken one in ME2. Tali, I think they only slightly changed her outfit. Ashley is...let's just say that her new appearance doensn't match at all her personality, and what she straight out said on those type of outfits and makeup in ME. But Miranda wasn't going to be present in the full squad, so they had to make Ashley's look 'prettier'. I mean, if Bioware wanted to have a 'sexy' woman in the full squad, there was an easy solution, just add Miranda in full! I'd have got my canon romance in the squad, and they could've worked on a unique design for Ashley, if they wanted, that it'd have matched her personality and beliefs. And it's not like they didn't get Yvonne back for Miranda at all. They even had her for Citadel and she had a lower mortality rate than either Garrus or Tali, if I recall, with only Jacob being the one nearly impossible to kill off. If I recall the numbers Bioware had given in a ME2 infomatic, Jacob had a 92% survival rate, Miranda's was 88%, Garus was 77% and Tali was 74%. Jack had only a 14% if I recall. Because nobody upgraded the ship, it seems.
I think that, if Bioware wanted to, with such high survival rates, they could have excused Miranda and Jacob being on the ship, especially since they both worked for Cerberus, which is what you were fighting against at least 50% of the game. Especially with how anemic the roster was and their classes, the crew could have really used them both.
I think it was 60 or 70% of the time.
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