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Post by Fly In The Lotion on Nov 7, 2020 16:10:41 GMT
It has been announced. It will be coming. I love you. Send nudes.
Discuss!
Also, Happy N7 Day, losers!
Nerf the Krysae!!
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Post by DoctorDAM on Nov 7, 2020 16:15:42 GMT
Happy N7-day to all!
A suitable announcement from Bioware on ME's big day. Alas, no mention of multiplayer. So all we have is Jeff Grubb's statement that there will be no MP, and no clarification (or refutation) from Bioware. |
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Post by burningcherry on Nov 7, 2020 18:57:23 GMT
So only a graphical+gameplay remaster and no MP? I'm fine with that, everything I ever bothered to argue about stays valid and if they anyway attempted to fix the story, they'd just spend the first two games preemptively justifying the wrongdoings of the third and make things even worse.
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Post by Clyde on Nov 7, 2020 21:34:19 GMT
Happy N7 day y'all!
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Post by crashsuit on Nov 7, 2020 21:35:36 GMT
As much as it pains me to say this, if it comes without MP, I'm probably giving it a pass. It's great that they're making the trilogy more accessible to more people with the remaster, but as someone who already owns the trilogy on PC, with every single DLC, a graphical update doesn't really add enough for me to justify buying the whole thing all over again on the same platform. With how popular the MP was and still is, it's a mystery to me why they're not including it. It's p2p, and the matchmaking servers are still up, so it seems like all the infrastructure they'd need for it is already still there.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Nov 9, 2020 8:55:54 GMT
^yeah, maybe i dont see hidden cost, or maybe they just tired of hammering hamster for their servers to run, but i dont see why they wouldnt add mp....
or maybe they have a plan for later ...
Is MP playable on the last consoles ?
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Post by Heroicmass on Nov 9, 2020 20:12:33 GMT
time to start a petition
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 10, 2020 0:43:00 GMT
Maybe the banning of lootboxes in various countries had something to do with it?
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Post by Alfonsedode on Nov 10, 2020 8:49:10 GMT
Maybe the banning of lootboxes in various countries had something to do with it? i have no idea what you are talking about ?
i guess most of u guys know that but as i checked ME 3 isnt available on PS4
and Xbox1 has ME2 and ME3
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 18:14:04 GMT
i have no idea what you are talking about ? The Trollstore is a form of lootboxes. Some countries, mostly in the EU I believe, have banned lootboxes as a form of unlicensed gambling targeting under-aged players. Technically, the trollstore is illegal in some places. That could be a valid reason for them not putting MP into the remaster.
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Post by andy_3_913 on Nov 10, 2020 18:26:57 GMT
i have no idea what you are talking about ? The Trollstore is a form of lootboxes. Some countries, mostly in the EU I believe, have banned lootboxes as a form of unlicensed gambling targeting under-aged players. Technically, the trollstore is illegal in some places. That could be a valid reason for them not putting MP into the remaster.
It would be nice (so probably not EA) if you could buy packs with in-game earned credits. As you can currently.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 10, 2020 22:50:48 GMT
I think it's the randomness of the packs that is the issue, so if people could buy specific weapons/gear directly with earned credits or money that would be ok on the legal front. On the game side it would be less great because everyone would be toting Harrier X on day 1 and never branch out to other weapons. I have the feeling that MP isn't getting carried over because they're not sure how to monetize it without the RNG and they won't do it for free. Hamsters gotta eat. So if we petition we have to give them a suggestion on how to make money without the trollstore.
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Post by Heroicmass on Nov 10, 2020 23:50:03 GMT
They could put in an option to purchase weapons and gear with credits or cash just like they have for packs now. I bet they have no desire to rework the store on such an old game though
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 11, 2020 5:22:02 GMT
They could put in an option to purchase weapons and gear with credits or cash just like they have for packs now. I bet they have no desire to rework the store on such an old game though Wouldn't straight up buying weapons and gear be "pay to win"?
Could weapons be limited is some way so that people couldn't just drop $200 to get a Reegar X on Day 1?
For example:
1) Every week a different 5-10 randomly picked guns go on sale and everyone can buy one level of each using cash or credits. OR
2) A maximum of 5 levels of any gun can can be bought with cash, the other 5 levels have to be paid for with credits, but all guns can be fully upgraded just using credits.
OR
3) Make guns stupidly expensive if paid for in cash but relatively cheap if paid in credits, so $25 per gun level, but only 150000 credits.
Maybe commons could be cheaper and ultrarares more expensive.
I'm just spitballing here.
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Post by obbie1984 on Nov 11, 2020 11:23:36 GMT
I'm thinking its because its EA. Multiplayer probably requires more assets and development time.
They know ME trilogy is primarily loved for the single player and it will bring in old and new players. The MP despite being popular is an after thought or not even a thought to many players. I can't recall if they said MP is in the final product or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were absent. It would still suck though.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Nov 11, 2020 13:20:58 GMT
I'm thinking its because its EA. Multiplayer probably requires more assets and development time. They know ME trilogy is primarily loved for the single player and it will bring in old and new players. The MP despite being popular is an after thought or not even a thought to many players. I can't recall if they said MP is in the final product or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were absent. It would still suck though. isnt there really far more player playing only sp or sp mainly ? Anyway, they s not much work to do on mp, its good as it is. they could just make it a DLC to pay. Anyway, why would we be buying it on PC ? Texture and graphical enhancements ? I wouldnt care
Main interest would be making it playable on ps4
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 11, 2020 18:03:16 GMT
Another way to get money out of MP without the RNG is to sell appearance packs or extra characters.
I'd love to have the SP squadmates as playable MP characters -- the assets are already built and they already have combat barks recorded.
In ME3 Garrus has AP ammo, concussive shot, overload and proxy mine. The ammo power could be ditched. Tali has defense drone, combat drone, sabotage and energy drain. The defense drone could be ditched. (She has to keep Chiktikka vas Paus.) They wouldn't be the most OP, but that's not the reason to buy them anyway.
Heck, I'd pay just to slap their combat barks or their appearance on the characters we already have.
I'm pretty sure Jen Hale is the voice of the human engineer and vanguard already.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 11, 2020 18:09:09 GMT
I'm thinking its because its EA. Multiplayer probably requires more assets and development time. They know ME trilogy is primarily loved for the single player and it will bring in old and new players. The MP despite being popular is an after thought or not even a thought to many players. I can't recall if they said MP is in the final product or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were absent. It would still suck though. I think it is not in the final product. The MP was an afterthought for Bioware, but I think it made a lot of money, so much so that EA decided to have an MP component as part of all of their future games (DAMP, MEAMP). If they can find a way to incorporate it and still profit from it without the RNG there's no reason they shouldn't do it. It adds value for the players, too.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 11, 2020 18:12:38 GMT
I'm thinking its because its EA. Multiplayer probably requires more assets and development time. They know ME trilogy is primarily loved for the single player and it will bring in old and new players. The MP despite being popular is an after thought or not even a thought to many players. I can't recall if they said MP is in the final product or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were absent. It would still suck though. isnt there really far more player playing only sp or sp mainly ? Anyway, they s not much work to do on mp, its good as it is. they could just make it a DLC to pay. Anyway, why would we be buying it on PC ? Texture and graphical enhancements ? I wouldnt care
Main interest would be making it playable on ps4
I think there were more SP players, but they made a lot of money on MP, because some people kept dropping money on packs. So while the SP brought the fans, MP kept them around and more importantly kept them paying.
I guess another idea would be to have MP have some sort of subscription fee, but I'd prefer to have the option to buy stuff and no recurring fee.
The incentive for us PC players is that the playerbase for MP would be using the new version, so if we wanted to find people to play with we'd need to migrate too.
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Post by regack on Nov 12, 2020 20:04:43 GMT
isnt there really far more player playing only sp or sp mainly ? Anyway, they s not much work to do on mp, its good as it is. they could just make it a DLC to pay. Anyway, why would we be buying it on PC ? Texture and graphical enhancements ? I wouldnt care Main interest would be making it playable on ps4
I think there were more SP players, but they made a lot of money on MP, because some people kept dropping money on packs. So while the SP brought the fans, MP kept them around and more importantly kept them paying. I guess another idea would be to have MP have some sort of subscription fee, but I'd prefer to have the option to buy stuff and no recurring fee. The incentive for us PC players is that the playerbase for MP would be using the new version, so if we wanted to find people to play with we'd need to migrate too.
If *all* the DLC are included in the Legendary Edition, I wonder if that includes the MP specific DLC components... because that could be something they don't want to mess with, and maybe that's why it's on the chopping block? Still even if they only had to updates a few graphical assets... I don't know, they're not THAT huge are they? Been a while since I had to re-download them all. Many assets are shared with the base game, although off the top of my head, I'm not sure where the parts for Rio or Hydra came from, maybe they're unique? I'd be good with pay-to-unlocks for weapons/kits, you can't really have pay-to-win if it's co-op... unless you mean win the scoreboard  Maybe they'll fix a few of the bugs and the MP will show up as a surprise on release?
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 13, 2020 0:54:39 GMT
If *all* the DLC are included in the Legendary Edition, I wonder if that includes the MP specific DLC components... because that could be something they don't want to mess with, and maybe that's why it's on the chopping block? Still even if they only had to updates a few graphical assets... I don't know, they're not THAT huge are they? Been a while since I had to re-download them all. Many assets are shared with the base game, although off the top of my head, I'm not sure where the parts for Rio or Hydra came from, maybe they're unique? I'd be good with pay-to-unlocks for weapons/kits, you can't really have pay-to-win if it's co-op... unless you mean win the scoreboard  Maybe they'll fix a few of the bugs and the MP will show up as a surprise on release? Oh, yes, you're right. Maybe it's "pay to epeen"?
Could the Retaliation glitch have something to do with them not wanting to bring multiplayer? My game still crashes unless I go offline at just the right time and it would take resources to hunt down that bug and kill it. The LE can't afford to have a bug that brings the whole thing crashing down. I suppose they could release MP without Retaliation.
Or maybe they could spin MP off as its own game and sell it separately.
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Post by regack on Nov 13, 2020 1:07:41 GMT
If *all* the DLC are included in the Legendary Edition, I wonder if that includes the MP specific DLC components... because that could be something they don't want to mess with, and maybe that's why it's on the chopping block? Still even if they only had to updates a few graphical assets... I don't know, they're not THAT huge are they? Been a while since I had to re-download them all. Many assets are shared with the base game, although off the top of my head, I'm not sure where the parts for Rio or Hydra came from, maybe they're unique? I'd be good with pay-to-unlocks for weapons/kits, you can't really have pay-to-win if it's co-op... unless you mean win the scoreboard Maybe they'll fix a few of the bugs and the MP will show up as a surprise on release? Oh, yes, you're right. Maybe it's "pay to epeen"? Could the Retaliation glitch have something to do with them not wanting to bring multiplayer? My game still crashes unless I go offline at just the right time and it would take resources to hunt down that bug and kill it. The LE can't afford to have a bug that brings the whole thing crashing down. I suppose they could release MP without Retaliation.
Or maybe they could spin MP off as its own game and sell it separately.
I'd buy that... oh, wait, they tried, it was called Anthem 
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 13, 2020 8:41:05 GMT
I'm thinking its because its EA. Multiplayer probably requires more assets and development time. They know ME trilogy is primarily loved for the single player and it will bring in old and new players. The MP despite being popular is an after thought or not even a thought to many players. I can't recall if they said MP is in the final product or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were absent. It would still suck though. I think it is not in the final product. The MP was an afterthought for Bioware, but I think it made a lot of money, so much so that EA decided to have an MP component as part of all of their future games (DAMP, MEAMP). If they can find a way to incorporate it and still profit from it without the RNG there's no reason they shouldn't do it. It adds value for the players, too. That's rather Wilson's idea. He came from the sports games and always planned to insert that scheme into the other games. Problem is that it's not 1:1 transferrable and so we get games where EA tries to figure out how to best market mtx. Remember Battlefront2? A side effect I feel is that BW's MP have become increasingly grindy at the beginner level. |
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Post by obbie1984 on Nov 13, 2020 21:55:41 GMT
I'm thinking its because its EA. Multiplayer probably requires more assets and development time. They know ME trilogy is primarily loved for the single player and it will bring in old and new players. The MP despite being popular is an after thought or not even a thought to many players. I can't recall if they said MP is in the final product or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were absent. It would still suck though. I think it is not in the final product. The MP was an afterthought for Bioware, but I think it made a lot of money, so much so that EA decided to have an MP component as part of all of their future games (DAMP, MEAMP). If they can find a way to incorporate it and still profit from it without the RNG there's no reason they shouldn't do it. It adds value for the players, too. EA gonna EA. I have no idea what goes on in their heads most of the time. If they bring it back, they will definitely keep RNG and probably make the payments given after a match paltry so you are forced to pay money to get better stuff. They might not add the MP in because it would just be more stuff that they will need to improve. They have to fix the numerous glitches, get it running at 60 FPS on consoles, upscale stages that aren't in the main game like London and Rio, etc. It would probably be easier to not have it so they also don't get the heat for being stingy regarding the money drops. And they can focus on the part most ME fans care about.
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Post by Pfefferi on Nov 14, 2020 5:51:40 GMT
I only played the SP trilogy once. I'd only want to play it again if they made substantive gameplay improvements, a graphical overhaul isn't enough to rebuy it on PC.
And even if they do include MP, it would have to contain something new like maps or weapons to get me to want to regrind that manifest in addition to numerous glitch and bug fixes, plus an overhaul of the crappy netcode. I can't imagine once more spending hundreds of hours (or even mere dozens) in this same game.
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